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Raikaria · « **Reply #300 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:24:52 PM »

As I said before, I don't follow the reasons we're lynching him.

If someone could explain what actually makes him so bad so I understand and convince me of it, then I'll gladly hammer. But I don't see anything that makes him seem particularly scummy. Want me to hammer him? Convince me he's scum, because so far I ain't seeing it.

That said, he dosen't look particularly town either,

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #301 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:32:11 PM »

Shadoweh, what happened to your opinions on Affinity? You don't like his reaction to being put at L-1 here after suspecting him for a while, only to turn around and dislike votes on him just because one player has a shoddy case which doesn't actually contradict yours. I can't understand the thought process here at all. In fact I can't even tell who you want lynched right now so you should probably get to fixing that.

Validon98 · « **Reply #302 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:32:42 PM »

From what I remember, everyone is on Ka because of the vote on Bardiche. The only reason given was about how Bardiche's posts were all about defending Serela. Yet at the time that Kay wrote that post, the entire debacle with Serela (which seemed silly to begin with) was over. In fact, all that was originally said was:

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##Vote: Bardiche because 150% of his activity is hard defending Serela.

All that was given for an argument was something about the two of them essentially being scumbuddies... which is unlikely. Not much else of a defense was given.
Granted, I suspect Affinity as well, and at his point if it weren't for the entire thing with Kay I'd be voting for Affinity. In fact, before I voted for Kay I was voting for Affinity.
Of course, I still don't get why you haven't decided to hammer Kay either.

SilentShaman · « **Reply #303 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Affinity on May 23, 2013, 05:22:05 AM

His recent posts have been a bit disappointing actually, and I don't see what that clumsy not me over me (without reasoning to convince ppl) should achieve if my vote would lynch him. I still prefer the BBM vote as opposed to the SS vote, but well, I'm okay with either now given that SS's posts have sort of fit into everyone's suspicions.

I didn't post reasoning because IIRC it's all been posted already, and I had nothing new to add. You're suspicious because your votes keep being off someplace weird where they won't be too controversial or useful, and don't match what you say that well.

Anyway, you guys know I'm suspicious of Raikaria and Affinity, and still have a slight scumread on Bardiche, you know my claim, and I don't have time to say much more this phase, so yeah. That's all I've got.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #304 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:38:19 PM »

Validon, why is Affinity currently scummy to you?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #305 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:42:12 PM »

Would last minute wagon Validon. Not even joking.

Raikaria · « **Reply #306 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:42:54 PM »

Oh, people are seriously voting him and putting him at L-1... for the Bard vote?

No thanks, that's not enough to make me seriously lynch him. Yes, it's not good, but it's not scummy outright. Maybe for consolidation, but until then unless there's a better reason I'm not hammering him.

Quote from: SilentShaman on May 23, 2013, 07:37:04 PM

Anyway, you guys know I'm suspicious of Raikaria and Affinity, and still have a slight scumread on Bardiche, you know my claim, and I don't have time to say much more this phase, so yeah. That's all I've got.

You're suspicious of two people who keep bashing on each other? I guess it's a 'one or the other' opinion.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #307 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:44:14 PM »

Wow, I missed that Affinity switched to Raikaria. I thought he was still on BBM for some reason. Need to reconsider him with this in mind.

Validon98 · « **Reply #308 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:46:58 PM »

Quote from: Affinity on May 23, 2013, 03:56:18 PM

Uhh, in general my initial impression of SS was not correct as he posted more and more, and they fitted more into what people had originally suspected of him. Thus I'm okay with lynching him now.

So, uh, if you're okay with lynching him, why haven't you? That's pretty much my only thing against you right now, though. I'd comment on the whole BBM thing, except out of everything I haven't paid too much attention to that specifically.
I don't think Affinity is trying to get other people to hammer Kay, but if he has the suspicion he should go for it. Same with Rai, who makes me a little suspicious as well. Affinity did bring up a good point about how you've been jumping from person to person votewise. Do you have anything to say about that?

CUT:

Quote from: huh what on May 23, 2013, 07:42:12 PM

Would last minute wagon Validon. Not even joking.

And what makes you think that now? I have a feeling it's because I don't always explain my lines of thought, which means this is turning into what caused everyone to get on Affinity's back in the first place. Granted, my suspicion for Affinity is not due to that anymore, but due to what I just said above.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #309 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:49:47 PM »

nah affinity is cool with me actually

Don't think Kay's recent post is a scum reaction to being lynched, but also don't know what else she could really do as mafia low on time.

Cut: No particular reason; mainly wanted to see what you'd say in response. I am kinda iffy on you though, I don't think Bard's logic matches up because you could easily just be newbscum with an inactive buddy who isn't around enough to coach. Or scum could just lack daytalk.
Considering that lynching SS would end the day and cut off discussion instantly, is Affinity still scummy to you?

Raikaria · « **Reply #310 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:51:13 PM »

Quote from: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 07:46:58 PM

Do you have anything to say about that?

Apparently it's scummy to have your opinions change based on developments throughout the day, and to vote people as a form of pressure to get more information? [Especially the case with Shadoweh evading Bardiche's questions]

Raikaria · « **Reply #311 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:52:01 PM »

I mean, heaven forbid I stay on the same vote for 24 hours or more when the relative amount of content in the thread to consider rapidly increases and multiplies because it's D1.

Validon98 · « **Reply #312 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:58:30 PM »

Also, another thing about Kay: I just LOVE how he (she?) drops in, adds like maybe a couple of lines, explains little, and then leaves. That's suspicious to me. I mean:

Quote from: SilentShaman on May 23, 2013, 07:37:04 PM

I didn't post reasoning because IIRC it's all been posted already, and I had nothing new to add. You're suspicious because your votes keep being off someplace weird where they won't be too controversial or useful, and don't match what you say that well.

IIRC you didn't have much in the way of reasoning. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that, though, because I might have missed something.

CUT: Oh sure, so now you think I'm being coached, huh? I am NOT being coached. You think I cannot understand what's going on? I will repeat this for the umpteenth time: I have to go to school for a few hours every day. I can't talk during the day during those times. If periods of inactivity are what's getting you suspicious, then lay off.
And to say that I think anyone is scummy is wrong. I don't know if anyone is scummy. I merely have suspicions. Do I think that Affinity has been acting scummy? A little. Is it enough for me to vote for him? Yes. Am I going to now? No. I have already stated my reasons for why I think Affinity is scummy. Stop asking me when I've already stated said reasons.

CUT AGAIN: A little bit. Again, I'm not sure. I'm not sure with anyone at this point. You people have asked me repeatedly to give opinions, and it's really hard to give strong ones when at this point EVERYONE is grasping at straws. We have no hard evidence to go on. You asking me about why I think you're scummy is no different from anybody asking anybody else why they have their opinions. It's just that people have varying degrees of responses, and the weak those responses, the more I suspect that person. Kay's responses in my opinion, for example, have come across as weak, therefore I suspect him. The same could go for Affinity.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #313 on:** May 23, 2013, 07:59:10 PM »

Shadoweh is probably scum. Her only scumread the entire day was Affinity and she took it back. Other than that her posts are a lot of fluff and her townreads aren't particularly relevant to the game. As town she should've been putting more effort into looking at her null reads, such as Zak and Serela.

Too bad we probably can't get 5 more people to lynch her while she's AFK.

Raikaria · « **Reply #314 on:** May 23, 2013, 08:04:08 PM »

Quote from: huh what on May 23, 2013, 07:59:10 PM

Shadoweh is probably scum. Her only scumread the entire day was Affinity and she took it back. Other than that her posts are a lot of fluff and her townreads aren't particularly relevant to the game. As town she should've been putting more effort into looking at her null reads, such as Zak and Serela.

Too bad we probably can't get 5 more people to lynch her while she's AFK.

I dunno. I've already said I'm happy to lynch Shadoweh for evading Bard's question. So you only need 4 more.

Validon98 · « **Reply #315 on:** May 23, 2013, 08:08:39 PM »

Oh, and before I forget, I just wasn't sure what your motivation was for the different votes, Rai. You're not off my suspicion list, but you've lowered yourself a bit. Maybe we all just need to have a bit of saury, calm down, and go over what we have. The only person who I am definitely willing to lynch right now is Kay for reasons I've already given. Affinity I am less sure of, but the fact that he is saying that he is willing to lynch Kay yet isn't voting strikes me as odd. Even if the target wasn't Kay and even if the person in question wasn't Affinity, I'd still be suspicious of a lack of action against suspected scum. So don't think I think that merely because Affinity and Kay are involved.

CUT: Have you voted, though? This does sort of tie into my point. If you're suspicious of Shadoweh, then why aren't you voting? Is Affinity that much more suspicious?

Raikaria · « **Reply #316 on:** May 23, 2013, 08:11:57 PM »

Quote from: Validon98 on May 23, 2013, 08:08:39 PM

CUT: Have you voted, though? This does sort of tie into my point. If you're suspicious of Shadoweh, then why aren't you voting? Is Affinity that much more suspicious?

I was voting Shadoweh before Affinity.

That should tell you where my priorities lie between those two.

Validon98 · « **Reply #317 on:** May 23, 2013, 08:13:14 PM »

Fair enough. I assume you're still on Affinity for pressure, then?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #318 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:12:03 PM »

does anybody else have anything to say before the end of the day

I don't actually want to last minute wagon, but Shadoweh is a maflord.

Raikaria · « **Reply #319 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:17:45 PM »

I'm on Affinity not for pressure but because I legitimately think he is the scums for reasons I have explained at least 3 times now.

Validon98 · « **Reply #320 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:20:10 PM »

Okay then. I was just sort of confused why you switched from Shadoweh to Affinity even if you had strong suspicions against Shadoweh. Now I'm not. I've got nothing else to add for the day, at this point.

Raikaria · « **Reply #321 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:34:39 PM »

Requesting deadline update and vote count.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #322 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:48:28 PM »

I can go either way - Wagon on Shadoweh, or Hammering Kay.
It's weird to me but for the first time, I haven't actually gotten that "You are all wrong, all of these lynches suck" feeling.

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #323 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:59:16 PM »

On second thought (Read: ISO) Lynching Shadoweh today is a terrible idea. I'll be more open to it tomorrow, depending.
Besides, It gives me more time going with a stupid running joke I have on him now.

Bardiche · « **Reply #324 on:** May 23, 2013, 10:10:59 PM »

Back, nothing I've read so far wants me to stray the course. My body is ready.

(I agree re: Shadoweh but I tend to always read her as scum. Even as town she is frustratingly unhelpful.)

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #325 on:** May 23, 2013, 10:11:33 PM »

yeah I don't think quickwagoning is actually a good idea but I think Shadoweh is scum.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #326 on:** May 23, 2013, 10:12:14 PM »

Votecount

SilentShaman(5): BT, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Affinity(3): BigBangMeteor, SilentShaman, Raikaria
Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not voting (2): I have no name, Zakeri
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~4 hours remaining in the day.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #327 on:** May 23, 2013, 10:14:17 PM »

Also the reason I don't think this is town!Shadoweh being unhelpful is because she doesn't seem to be putting effort into finding scum. Shadoweh likes to find townreads regardless of alignment, but this game she's skipping the part where she looks at the scum candidates she PoEs it down to.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #328 on:** May 23, 2013, 10:16:03 PM »

but yeah I'm ready for a hammer

Raikaria · « **Reply #329 on:** May 23, 2013, 10:20:13 PM »

Quote from: huh what on May 23, 2013, 10:16:03 PM

but yeah I'm ready for a hammer

Well I ain't gonna swing it. Affinity's already said he's fine with lynching SS.

I'm not. Don't agree with the very weak reason of his Bard vote to lynch him. I will literally only hammer if it comes down to like the last 5 mins, because I do not agree with the very weak reason for this wagon.