Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)

[BT]

Raikaria you've probably already answered this but w/e: what made Serela slip down your list of priorities after this post when you wanted Serela lynched the most earlier and this happened right after his wagon suddenly became a main thing?

[BT]

BTW now I want people's opinions on this.

[BT]

What I find interesting about that now is that the first part sounds super buddy-ish but Serela still overreacted the fuck out of that. Maybe the overreaction isn't necessarily a sign of TvS?

[BT]

`_`

totes fantastic scum coordination right here

This is actually pretty interesting. Need to check if those votes look like a bus or not.

[Edible]

Has bus written all over it imo.  Zak was toast until he claimed.

BTW now I want people's opinions on this.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary here aside from Serela freaking out.

[BT]

Now's a good time to note that Lecithul cost us an extra lynch. Yay Lecithul!

Cut: I want to make sure I'm not wrong in thinking that's an overreaction to Town Intent to Hammer(tm).

[Polaris]

All right, just from BT's helpful votecount post, Zak's vote pattern looks a lot scummier than Raikaria's. Wagoning with Shadoweh on IHNN D1, and Serela joining Zak on Pesco after the Zak wagon fell apart are some of the more suspicious parts. I guess Serela and Shadoweh bussing Zak D2 is more believable than ~*~scum party on the zak wagon~*~ which doesn't seem like something that would happen, however hilarious it may be. I guess the only weird thing is Serela deciding to bus Zak D1, but seeing as he was pretending to not exist I guess we don't know if he would have jumped onto the IHNN wagon at an appropriate time.

[Polaris]

I guess that means scum shot BT N1 and Pesco N2, although I'm still iffy on that point.

[BT]

...Right, I still need to reread D1 and see if it was necessary for Scum!Serela to be involved near deadline to save Scum!Zak. His disappearance is what made me think ZakvsIHNN on D1 was TvT multiple times ITG.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria you've probably already answered this but w/e: what made Serela slip down your list of priorities after this post when you wanted Serela lynched the most earlier and this happened right after his wagon suddenly became a main thing?

I did answer it before, other people did things that seemed scumier, while Serela hadn't done anything I thought was scummy.

Polaris, I guess Serela used ##Poison because that is what he claimed to have done, and I did not die. I admitted recently that he may have used Janitor, and been blocked by Edibibl on BT.

Worth noting Dormio may be a mafia role that returns no result when tracked/watched, or falsifies results in some other way as well.

Literally the only reason I am not voting you is because you are Un-CC'ed Vig., otherwise, I would have taken my N2 result as a sign Dormio is town.

`_`

totes fantastic scum coordination right here

Dormio is also on that wagon, y'know. In fact, look at all the examples BT has given - The only time Dormio votes scum is the Serela lynch, which was a case of Not Me over Him, with a whiff of consolidation.

[Raikaria]

I did answer it before, other people did things that seemed scumier, while Serela hadn't done anything * I thought was scummy.

* = else.

He had basically slipped down my priorities after other people did things I found scummy.

Also: I'll remind you of Dormio's very odd behavior D1:
Waaaaay back here

Not to mention other people call him out for a flip-flop, and he almost gets lynched.

I used the T+W combo thingy for the same reason I used it on Shadoweh D1. I was almost certain Shadoweh was scum after Serela's flip, but she died during N2, before I could explain.

[BT]

Eh, Rai, look at what I'm pointing out again. Between here[url=http://and [url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962467.html#msg962467]here] and [url=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962467.html#msg962467]here Serela has posted three times and not much else happened. The only thing that could have possibly changed something is Serela's behavior, if I'm reading your first post correctly.

[BT]

Eh, Rai, look at what I'm pointing out again. Between here and here Serela has posted three times and not much else happened. The only thing that could have possibly changed something is Serela's behavior, if I'm reading your first post correctly.

(wat)

[BT]

asdf

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962451.html#msg962451
here

and

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14547.msg962467.html#msg962467
here

[Polaris]

my point was that the syntax of writing double-octothorpe-poison was very weird when it's not specified in such a way by the serela's pm >_> but serela could've written it like that when he carried out his night action, and it could have stuck in your mind. it's interesting at least

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Town in bolded not-green for Dormio-san, whenever he decides to look at the thread.

I'm not going to post at 6am.

Worth noting Dormio may be a mafia role that returns no result when tracked/watched, or falsifies results in some other way as well.

Just going to say that Serela already had that role.

[Polaris]

ok well here's a possible plan of action.

We can get rid of 3 people before the game ends, Persons A, B, and C. We lynch Person A today, and if the game doesn't end I'll predict Person B for the lynch overnight while Edible protects me. Then we'll lynch Person B and if the game still doesn't end then I can shoot Person C that night. I'm up for Person A = Zak and lynching him today, and then Raikaria and Dormio in whichever order for Persons B and C.

^ if we're going with this plan then we should decide who Person B is in advance so that I can predict him properly

[Edible]

ok well here's a possible plan of action.

We can get rid of 3 people before the game ends, Persons A, B, and C. We lynch Person A today, and if the game doesn't end I'll predict Person B for the lynch overnight while Edible protects me. Then we'll lynch Person B and if the game still doesn't end then I can shoot Person C that night. I'm up for Person A = Zak and lynching him today, and then Raikaria and Dormio in whichever order for Persons B and C.

^ if we're going with this plan then we should decide who Person B is in advance so that I can predict him properly

If we miss today, it's LYLO tomorrow and the game will almost certainly end if we don't lynch scum then.  We have two more chances total, unfortunately.  We'd have three if Lecithul hadn't been modkilled.

[BT]

6 today
>>mislynch
4 tomorrow
>>mislynch
3 during the night, town has yet to lose the majority
if polly is town and shoots scum town should win with one guy remaining

[BT]

Unn are we forgetting about cuddly third parties? Harmless neutral?

[Polaris]

I still don't think we have any third parties :derp:

[BT]

This plan is really sneaky if you're one of those, or even scum. Can't use the shot if you don't survive till then.

[BT]

I feel like I REALLY need to go over the thread proper but I won't have enough time for that. It shouldn't be impossible to figure out the correct lynch order with the information in this thread.

[Polaris]

If you want to be cautious then I guess you can just decide on today's lynch and leave tomorrow's lynch for tomorrow which leaves me unable to predict the lynch 100% (although there's still a chance for me). and edible can not protect me (and keep his protect a secret which will make things a little harder for scum)

[Raikaria]

Eh, Rai, look at what I'm pointing out again. Between here and here Serela has posted three times and not much else happened. The only thing that could have possibly changed something is Serela's behavior, if I'm reading your first post correctly.

(wat)

Serela's post that I quoted in 204 seemed like town effort to me, and he brought up valid reasons about Affinity. I can't recall exactly what tipped the scales, since I think I also mulled over things a little during that time in my head too.

[Edible]

6 today
>>mislynch
4 tomorrow
>>mislynch
3 during the night, town has yet to lose the majority
if polly is town and shoots scum town should win with one guy remaining

This depends entirely upon whether or not Kilga ends the game on 4P LYLO.  I suspect he won't answer any questions related to it since Polaris' role isn't confirmed, either.

I'd rather not take the risk if at all possible.  I think we all agree that Zak is the best to go today.  My vote tomorrow if Zak happens to be town is BT, and then Polaris can shoot whoever he wants because I think we'll have won by then but whatever <_<

[WHMZakeri]

Trying desperately to read the thread in depth.

Zakeri (5): Dormio, Pesco, Shadoweh, Serela, Raikaria

This is pretty interesting because it suggests the entire scumteam was on my in the middle of day two.
Dormio's vote was kind of lamehanded, I can see Serela and Shadoweh ignoring that
It was actually a good move for scum to make because it was a justified parkvote

Raikaria pushed me at the time in order to gather information. Comparitively, Serela and Shadoweh seemed much more focused on getting me to spill my role information, which Raikaria had ignored at the time. Basically, I feel like Scum-Raikaria would either make the same mistake of going along with their voices, or would try to distance himself from Serelloweh.
I still can't see Raikaria as scum.

I think Dormio is the likeliest last scum.

Also want to add that I really don't like that plan. Scum are very likely able to counter that plan somehow via carefully placed NKs. There's still the chance that scum might get the chance to kill Polaris the night after, and we don't know if that'll stop his shot or not. It also conveniently forgets that you might be Third party

[Kilgamayan]

Prayer of Confession

Dormio (1): Raikaria
Zakeri (2): Dormio, Edible

No vote cast (3): Polaris, BT, Zakeri

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. You have just over 46 hours remaining.

Since the win condition threshhold is in question, I will say that the scum win condition is triggered when their living number equals or exceeds the number of living non-scum or when nothing can prevent same. No further hints will be provided.

[Edible]

Well, I guess it's worth a shot then.  HA HA GET IT

I'm willing to give Polaris the benefit of the doubt here (but I've been saying this for a while today I guess).

I would like Zakeri lynched first, and if Zakeri isn't scum then we should lynch Dormio tomorrow.  Following that, Polaris should shoot BT, though it won't really be our call (and if he's ITP I guess he can just shoot anyone :V).

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yo, I'm back from uni.
And I don't really have much more to say.
Other than that if Zakeri isn't scum I'll be very surprised and probably Raikaria is the scum in that case but who knows.