Author Topic: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Game Over)  (Read 50301 times)

Serela

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #600 on: April 09, 2013, 01:18:56 AM »
This day has been very nice in terms of voting. We had a clear decision at the first 24 hours, and when we changed our minds we quickly formed two clear wagons again in the next 24 after spreading onto 4 even wagons to choose from.

Instead of, you know, a mad consolidation rush at the end where half the time we quickwagon someone entirely new, and if not we at least -tried- to.

We should do this kind of thing more often! Also by the way Zakeri how is that reread going D: (I don't need to ask Shadoweh because she is like one of those people at school who slips love letters in your locker and stares at you during class until you feel violated.)
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #601 on: April 09, 2013, 02:12:08 AM »
So first reread of everything that happened since I got off last night...

Dormio's chain of posts during his break is pretty empty. Mostly waffle, nothing really definitive. Apparently his town gut towards Serela dropped pretty fast but okay not going to question it just yet.
I should probably reread Pesco or something. I don't really recall him expressing prior interest in lynching Polaris, except if questioning him counts.
@BT: Reads? Let's see, Dormio and Zakeri look scum. Shadoweh, Raikaria and Schezo look town. Everyone else is at various levels of null.
BT makes a good argument against Serela actually. From what I've seen Serela usually acts sort of like that every game though, but still going to reread him to be sure
Also in case anyone's wondering I was just poking around Polaris' hardpush on Serela for pressure, I don't have a scumread on him yet.
BT why did you feel the need to suddenly post that list of reads, and how is Dormio being deliberately unhelpful (if I'm following you correctly) not an awful thing to do as town?
Zakeri what do you mean by Dormio hasn't won you over, does that mean he's a null read or a scum read?

ok finally done. Gosh typing on a phone is darn hard, I wish I could like type it on the laptop then paste over somehow :\ Anyways, my dad put parental controls on the laptop's internet for whatever reason, so from now on my reading and typing is going to be really slow.
Gonna reread again and actually consider stuff people said before I got off last night
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #602 on: April 09, 2013, 05:10:44 AM »
Urgh sry shit happened and I got into a rotten mood and stuff

Bedtime now, doubt I can really read up anything before school tomorrow but I'll try, also after that school ends bout an hour before deadline I think so I should be around to decide the lynch then.
[08:23 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki on a scale of 1 to 10 your current mafia game play is annoying as fuck
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- Raitaki, if both of us ended up as mafia
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- I would be so angry
[08:25 pm]  Aristocrat -- that I will snap and give into my rage

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #603 on: April 09, 2013, 05:39:54 AM »
We wouldn't be having this much of a lurker problem is people stopped shouting 'We're not lynching X today' all the time. Because while we're not lynching said person, they're also not posting.

Zak seriously needs to die.

Raikaria

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #604 on: April 09, 2013, 05:55:26 AM »
Wow, such a huge lot of nothing happened during the night I was sleeping.

And as a result, I have nothing more to really say.

I'd try to convince people to vote Dormio over Serela, but I don't want to repeat stuff that was only just said a couple of pages back, and despite thinking Dormio is more likly scum, I don't particually think Serela is town [My gut says most of Serela's waffle is Serela being Serela, while Dormio is being useless]


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #605 on: April 09, 2013, 08:02:29 AM »
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Also by the way Zakeri how is that reread going
I'm working on it.
I guess with the wagons the way they are, there's no point procrastinating on it.

@Raitaki: Dormio is null leaning scum for me. Easily would vote him to secure lynch.

Re: Serela
85 - Says Raikaria's logic was terribad, but not scum
132 - Votes Raikaria for continuing with same terribad logic.
It's strange that you would accept the logic as townsourced, and then turn around and put a vote on him while explaining why the same logic is anti-town.
Also strange is that you tell Raikaria to find reasons for voting someone that was posting, exactly one post after he did just that, which you immediately discarded on basis of "I don't want to think about it right now."
Can you explain what changed between those posts to cause that reaction beside "Not taking stock in RVS votes"?

202 - What the hell happened to Kilga?

203 - Serela talks about why I could be scum, including laughing at my reasons for voting Affinity, which included punishing for "Textbook scummy" and for using excuse-like-reasoning to vote Raikaria that I didn't think was even true. Then he tries to start a wagon on Affinity by saying he only jumped on Raikaria for a case that was only one sentence long. So let me puzzle this out - You didn't like my weird point against him, which means you didn't object to anything he said, just the fact that he only posted one line? Even weirder is that you spend most of the post calling Raikaria scum, so why did you vote affinity if he was voting for the right choice in your opinion?

As for Day 2 ... none of it really seems as bad to me directly. The waffle and fluffiness on the case against me seems genuine serely, and the point on why Affinity might not have been the best investigation for me anyways only seems suspicious because edible pointed out to me that BT pointed it out.

We wouldn't be having this much of a lurker problem is people stopped shouting 'We're not lynching X today' all the time. Because while we're not lynching said person, they're also not posting.

Zak seriously needs to die.
It really hurts to be cut by something like this while making a post like this.
As I went through, it occurred to me that I never actually mentioned my read of Dormio outside of casing the case on myself weak.
But the most basic thing is that everything Dormio has posted has been phoned in.
I was frustrated at Raikaria for dropping the case on Dormio to pursue something on (at the time I posted) Edible when Dormio hadn't provided a reasonable explanation of his vote (Of course, now that I've read Raikaria again, I understand he was just pushing in every logical direction, so apologies for the rage). I don't really believe that he "didn't find anything worthy" in Nameless's posts when he never even commented on what was in the posts between his 165 (where his reasoning to vote Nameless was) and the post he voted, 257.
I already mentioned that his case on me didn't provide any reasoning besides "It feels like he's faking it"
In general, He just seems to be a useless, dead limb that we might as well cut off.

It's hard to decide between the two of them. Serela's day one is more offensive to me, but he's gotten a lot better, and I just want him to explain his thought processes because they look pretty scummy.
##Unvote: Pesco
##Vote: Serela

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #606 on: April 09, 2013, 08:02:56 AM »
Forgot to mention, L-1 warning.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #607 on: April 09, 2013, 08:09:23 AM »
Insert something

Dormio (5): Edible, Schezo, Raitaki, Raikaria, Serela
Serela (6): Polaris, Lecithul, BT, Pesco, Dormio, Zakeri
Polaris (1): Shadoweh

Not voting (0)
Serela is at L-1
Dormio is at L-2

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. There are 20 and a half hours left in the day.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #608 on: April 09, 2013, 08:13:28 AM »
Still think Pesco is the worst, what with most of the content regarding me being cheerleads (for lack of better term) talking about my claim and in relation to that moving the goalposts.
that votecount reminds me I should be worried about Serela being town, but it four hours past my bedtime, so I'm just going to assume that bussing is a thing that can exist in this game for now.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #609 on: April 09, 2013, 08:51:52 AM »
No you shouldn't be worried because he's forever scum to your supposed role conditions. It's also bugging me that since you knew you can't cop someone, why not have spent more effort on both days pressing them into letting you form a read on them. I've said it already and I'll say it again that this is a serious hole in the claim that people are letting you live on.

Raikaria

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #610 on: April 09, 2013, 09:29:54 AM »
I wish to give Serela a chance to post. We are not near the deadline yet after all. If the post and reasons are not satisfactory, after re-reading the cases and Serela's posts multiple times to make sure, I will hammer.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #611 on: April 09, 2013, 09:30:37 AM »
No you shouldn't be worried because he's forever scum to your supposed role conditions. It's also bugging me that since you knew you can't cop someone, why not have spent more effort on both days pressing them into letting you form a read on them. I've said it already and I'll say it again that this is a serious hole in the claim that people are letting you live on.

I'm not exactly happy with Zakeri's claim either Pesco.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #612 on: April 09, 2013, 10:28:37 AM »
I have been seriously lagging behindd on posting and mafiaing. We're aalready talking about hammering this early for once, it's a kind of pleasant thing to come back to. What' unpleasant is I'm pretty sure this Polaris train is not going anywhere and both of those wagons are ugh.

Zak: Somehow I think if Serela were scum you wouldn't have to worry about his buddies not bussing him. In fact if you really feel that way about Pesco, he's right there isn't he?

As awkward as it is to pick between them, I would have to say Serela's content is objectively better, and Dormio's posting does kind of remind me of him from last game. Though he wasn't scum there..

I guess what I'm saying is that if they both claimed that would be a cool thing, if one of you is an innocent child or something..


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Serela

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #613 on: April 09, 2013, 10:40:41 AM »
Holy crap Raikaria talking about hammering when Shadoweh hasn't even posted and neither of us have claimed D:

Anyway it's super early in the morning (I woke up before the sun rose, that's different) and I'm too groggy to do much, but I can totally claim. I'm a one-shot nightvig, at night I can SMITE EVIL with my iron rings of doom. Didn't use it night 1 because, y'know, day 1 is always a thing and well-informed decisions are good and such.
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #614 on: April 09, 2013, 10:51:20 AM »
Lecithul has been prodded for inactivity. He will be modkilled if he has not posted something meaningful by the end of the day. ("Prod dodge, will post later" is not meaningful.)
[22:40:12] <Drake> "guys i donwloaded esod but its not workan"
[22:40:21] <Drake> REPORTED
[22:40:25] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> PROBATED
[22:40:30] <Drake> ORGASM
[22:40:32] <NaturallyOccurringChoja> FUCK YEAH

[22:28:39] <Edible> Mafia would be a much easier game if we were playing "spot the asshole"

Serela

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #615 on: April 09, 2013, 11:00:43 AM »
Also in case it isn't obvious it'd be super cool if I got a chance to confirm my role tonight >>
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Edible

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #616 on: April 09, 2013, 11:56:29 AM »
Didn't use it night 1 because, y'know, day 1 is always a thing and well-informed decisions are good and such.

What a load of garbage. <_<

There was a lot of ??? and hate flowing your way D1, you had three potential vig targets (you claimed to hate zak, polaris, and raikaria iirc) last night and chose not to use your claimed nightvig because you wanted to make a well-informed decision.

This is pretty hard to buy!

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #617 on: April 09, 2013, 12:00:59 PM »
Clearly you haven't learnt your lesson about waiting for these clowns to claim because we got fokkal out of the claims day 1. Cut this crap and just lynch. A game is playble without power roles and when you roll a vanilla you don't make assumptions about what's available or not.

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #618 on: April 09, 2013, 12:07:05 PM »
Apologies for the inactivity; I had a lot of work to get done last night.

As for the quote, the first > was what I did and the second > was what Pesco said was would would have made more sense for me to do to follow up. The point was that it didn't make sense. (Although, I'm not sure how this is very relevant to much anymore)
Oh okay, I just came across that when I was reading day 1 and didn't get who/what you were referring to.

With regards to Serela v. Dormio, I feel that Serela's response to my concerns was adequate and I don't think that his posts today have been scummy. On the other hand, Dormio's Day 1 was really off so I think that out of these two, I'd rather have Dormio lynched today.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #619 on: April 09, 2013, 12:07:38 PM »
Eep. Anyway, VT claim etc.

Raitaki is still pretty much reporting huh?
Why must you do everything in your power to make me detest your slot?

Anyway, before I go do stuff before going to sleep and in case I can't make deadline or lynch or whatever happens.

The slots I really don't like are Zakeri and Affinity/Lecithul. They should totally die or something.

NNR/Raitaki, Raikaria, and Serela all look scummy to me but I get the feeling that they aren't scum kind of.
More so for Raikaria than the other two.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #620 on: April 09, 2013, 01:26:50 PM »
There was a lot of ??? and hate flowing your way D1, you had three potential vig targets (you claimed to hate zak, polaris, and raikaria iirc) last night and chose not to use your claimed nightvig because you wanted to make a well-informed decision.
...there was?

The wagon on me mostly melted before very far in.

Zakeri was obviously going to get wagoned d2 start, so he'd be a waste of a vig. I didn't seriously consider Polaris as bad until I started reading D2 (And even then, after I stopped being sleep deprived I came to the conclusion it wasn't a very strong scumread) and well Raikaria is a legit point but I figured there'd be no issue waiting until n2 :T Turns out to be a good thing because ho boy, claiming vig when your kill was the only death at night, that'd sure be great >_> I guess I could have claimed vanilla instead of that happened...
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Raikaria

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #621 on: April 09, 2013, 01:50:14 PM »
...there was?

The wagon on me mostly melted before very far in.

Zakeri was obviously going to get wagoned d2 start, so he'd be a waste of a vig. I didn't seriously consider Polaris as bad until I started reading D2 (And even then, after I stopped being sleep deprived I came to the conclusion it wasn't a very strong scumread) and well Raikaria is a legit point but I figured there'd be no issue waiting until n2 :T Turns out to be a good thing because ho boy, claiming vig when your kill was the only death at night, that'd sure be great >_> I guess I could have claimed vanilla instead of that happened...

Wel if you were a one-shot Vig, then for all intents and purposes, after shoooting you would be a VT.


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #622 on: April 09, 2013, 04:34:11 PM »
That's not entirely true, after shooting he'd be a vig that we know exists because a bunch of people died. Edible, why would he have shot a possible PR on Night 1? Not that Serela isn't capable of that, but I don't think waiting for a claim is crazy. Serela, let's say you get to live with this sweet death you're promising, who exactly is on your death list now?


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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #623 on: April 09, 2013, 04:35:59 PM »
(I have to leave for work so I won't be back for about 6 hours so you'll have to either wait or do something yourselves.)


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Serela

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #624 on: April 09, 2013, 04:51:32 PM »
Serela, let's say you get to live with this sweet death you're promising, who exactly is on your death list now?
Who have I expressed as thinking as being scummy in some capacity? Well there you go.

I'm not narrowing it down any more then that because :thingsscumdoesn'tneedtoknow:
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #625 on: April 09, 2013, 05:44:33 PM »
Quote from: Shadoweh
Zak: Somehow I think if Serela were scum you wouldn't have to worry about his buddies not bussing him. In fact if you really feel that way about Pesco, he's right there isn't he?
Tired posting. I wanted to go back and see Pesco's vote on Serela as well as Serela's opinion on Pesco. But I also wanted to sleep.
Turns out there's really nothing worth commenting on pre-flip.

@Serela: That claim is fancy and all that, but could you, I dunno, maybe respond to my post?
While you're at it, a short reminder of who you think is scummy would help, too.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #626 on: April 09, 2013, 05:45:50 PM »
I think I'd rather just off Serela and be done with it.  A nightkill is rarely useful to town even if Serela is town, and hardly proves his alignment.  I don't buy the claim in any case.

Deadline's in what, ~5 hours?  I'll switch to Serela, but I'm only going to be around for the next 4 hours myself.

Turns out there's really nothing worth commenting on pre-flip.

Quite so.

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #627 on: April 09, 2013, 06:51:02 PM »
There's still like 10 hours left. Fakeedit:Okay maybe 8~9 hours now >>

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It's strange that you would accept the logic as townsourced, and then turn around and put a vote on him while explaining why the same logic is anti-town.
Also strange is that you tell Raikaria to find reasons for voting someone that was posting, exactly one post after he did just that, which you immediately discarded on basis of "I don't want to think about it right now."
Can you explain what changed between those posts to cause that reaction beside "Not taking stock in RVS votes"?
Nope. The reasons I voted Raikaria are completely different from the reasons I earlier said he looked townie.
The behavior I voted him for was not a continuation of what he was doing previously either.

Raikaria found someone to vote, but it was a sheep. Ontop of that, it was sheeping something he had actively been speaking out against as not a good reason to vote me. Like, holy crap, what? He added another reason on but as I said I found the addition pointless and unlogical.
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202 - What the hell happened to Kilga?
rofl
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  • 203 - Serela talks about why I could be scum, including laughing at my reasons for voting Affinity, which included punishing for "Textbook scummy" and for using excuse-like-reasoning to vote Raikaria that I didn't think was even true.
  • Then he tries to start a wagon on Affinity by saying he only jumped on Raikaria for a case that was only one sentence long. So let me puzzle this out - You didn't like my weird point against him, which means you didn't object to anything he said, just the fact that he only posted one line?
    • Even weirder is that you spend most of the post calling Raikaria scum, so why did you vote affinity if he was voting for the right choice in your opinion?
  • I totally didn't laugh :C But anyway, let's look at what you said that I didn't agree with. --> http://puu.sh/2wYHF <-- And then my post, so I don't have to just quotestripe from them. You suspected Affinity because his logic didn't seem to awknowledge Raikaria's vote. I responded that, actually, Raikaria's vote didn't contradict what Affinity said at all, because Raikaria's vote was just as bad as Affinity implied it was.
  • Bad logic. I completely disagreed with what you were saying was bad about Affinity. I, however, still thought Affinity was scum for a different reason. Scummy cases can still be made on scummy people.
  • I've been over this a couple times. The Raikaria wagon had been out all day, people had already weighed in on it, and so it was clear that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I had to look into different options because the Raikaria wagon clearly did not have any good chances of making it to lynch, despite me wanting it to.

And then you say my D2 actually looks okay, and later that you think I've improved a lot since D1 but you're still going to vote me over Dormio anyway and it feels really weird?
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Serela

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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #628 on: April 09, 2013, 06:52:03 PM »
I don't know why the list made a third minipoint with Zak's stuff but okay. Overall though the bulleting thing seems super convenient for responding to a paragraph of distinctly separate questions. People should steal this idea from me in the future.
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Re: Gensokyo Holy War Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #629 on: April 09, 2013, 06:52:18 PM »
Just quickly popping in to say that Dormio is the best lynch option tonight.

Serela can prove Vig by shooting Lecithul, he's a dead limb anyway, and I doubt anyone will protect. If he doesn't die there's a maf roleblocker or Serela is scum. If there's only one nightkill Serela is scum or mafia targeted the same guy.

A lot easier to prove a vig claim than it is to prove a VT claim.

Aside from this, re-reading happening later.


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