Touhou Accomplishments Thread 20: Shut up and take my Graze!

[Lord Scalgon]

Even though we had the beginning days of rage on Seija's lunatic upside-down card...is it just me, or am I beginning to love that card now?  I find it extremely fun to do on spell practice.

I'm thinking about pulling a timeout on that (even though it's already achieved by others)...hmm......

[MTSranger]

Timed out Yatsuhashi's first card (stage 4B) and captured the other two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEe42XWEag

HOW do you guys do the third card without massive luck?

[Seppo Hovi]

Honestly 4B looks possible except that I have no idea how the hell you're supposed to do the final spell without extreme luckshit.

Do you mean ~~The Reclining~~

HOW do you guys do the third card without massive luck?

I don't.

[Karisa]

Timed out Benben's first card (stage 4B) and captured the other two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEe42XWEag

That's Yatsuhashi. Benben is the one with the music staff lasers (boss for A, midboss for B).

[Jaimers]

DDC Perfect Stage 4B Lunatic

And now we wait.

[Sakurei]

contgratulations.

will you wait for a patch that fishes the 4A crash before you LNB?

[Tsym]

YES! Finally got this 1cc! I cannot convey in words how ecstatic I am to get this clear. Over 80 attempts logged on Cirno's stupid midboss card later and I finally got it. I completely bomb spammed my way through anything remotely threatening, so I don't think I actually legitimately did any boss patterns past Sekibanki aside from when I had no bombs to burn of course. Even still, it was a relatively tight clear. I think I'll put this game down for a while until it gets all patched up before coming back to it to do any new stuff. But man this game...

[nintendonut888]

Aaaaah, good to get that out of the way:

DDC lunatic 1cc, cleared 1/2

It wasn't a great run by any means, but I'd say I did better than I expected to in a first clear. And, since apparently it makes people froth at the mouth, my results screen:



Good to get the showy bits out of the way quick. Now I can return to actually LEARNING the game. :V

[Mikkey]

DDC Extra Stage no miss no bomb.
http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud01d6.rpy

[Shadow]

DDC Lunatic 1cc

Excellent starting resource route gave me more than enough lives to compensate for the absolutely stupid and idiotic mistakes that I made on the second half of the game. Not an impressive run, but this will have to do for now~

[Raikaria]

Holy, Sakuya A's broken.

You bomb when you even think you're gonna die. That triggers autocollect, which gives you a bomb/life piece in most cases.

You get hit again? No problem, effectively a second free bomb sets off, giving you *another* autocollect, which if in a stage, gives you *another* bomb/life fragment.
You don't get hit? Enjoy your 3 pieces of bomb!

Sakuya A if you use her bombs each life effectively has near-infinite bombs and lives, especially because she can accumulate so many extra bombs/lives in Stage 4, because she can autocollect by simply spamming bombs which cost her almost nothing.

I almost cleared Stage 5. In my 3rd time ever being on Stage 4, and my 1st time on Stage 5. At this rate I'll 1CC as soon as I have even a slightest grasp of the patterns of the bosses. Stage 4 and 5 are trivial with Sakuya A's infi-bombs, especially when I can come out of Stage 2 with 7 bombs in stock. [Unfortunately I derped and died with 8 bombs in stock on S3, which resulted in me having far less lives and bombs that I should have had. If I hadn't derped on S3 I could have just bombspammed the harder parts of S4, and gone into S5 with 6~7 lives or more.]

It's MoF levels of bombspam, except bombs don't drain your power.... and GIVE YOU MORE BOMBS [and lives]

EDIT: Continued through to Stage 6. Man, the Dwarf is tough, and every single one of her spellcards seems to behave like Final Spells, in that as her HP lowers/Time runs down they rank up and get harder.

EDIT2: 1CC'ed to Stage 6 Midboss.

[Ghost]

If you think Sakuya-A's bomb spam is broken, play Marisa-B where you can get like 2 life pieces per bomb minimum (as well as 2 bomb pieces generally) all the way through stage 4 (and to a slightly lesser extent in stage 5)
And getting 4 life pieces during a bosses non-spell from one bomb is pretty ridiculous.

[CyberAngel]

If you think Sakuya-A's bomb spam is broken, play Marisa-B where you can get like 2 life pieces per bomb minimum (as well as 2 bomb pieces generally) all the way through stage 4 (and to a slightly lesser extent in stage 5)
And getting 4 life pieces during a bosses non-spell from one bomb is pretty ridiculous.

You know, I'm starting to see such claims as outrageous. Mind directing me to a replay where this is actually abused to such extent?

[Serela]

You know, I'm starting to see such claims as outrageous. Mind directing me to a replay where this is actually abused to such extent?

http://en.touhouwiki.net/images/4/42/Th14_udg001.rpy

There's many, many noncards where you just bomb in the right place and get an easy life out of a single bomb. It's worth noting... most of the extra bosses' noncards fall into this category, and the ones that don't are still more then profitable. It's kind of hilarious, and also makes her a joke because you get nigh-infinite lives >>

[Raikaria]

If you think Sakuya-A's bomb spam is broken, play Marisa-B where you can get like 2 life pieces per bomb minimum (as well as 2 bomb pieces generally) all the way through stage 4 (and to a slightly lesser extent in stage 5)
And getting 4 life pieces during a bosses non-spell from one bomb is pretty ridiculous.

I've not done too much with Marisa-B yet, so I can't say I know how her bomb mechanics work, or how long the invulnerability is. However, Marisa-B is limited by the fact her shots are not homing, and her range on non-focus is far less than Sakuya-A. Also, Sakuya-A's focus damage is insane for a homing shottype. I can rip apart the Stage 2 boss' first spellcard before the head even reaches me.

Sakuya's bombs can easily ensure 2 life pieces on Stage 4 as well, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if most bombs can, there are a *lot* a pickups on that level. Sakuya A just has more control over it since she her bomb re-activates when she gets hit after the initial activation, you can trigger the auto-collect on demand.

There's also the whole refund system if she manages to not get hit. Sadly, I'm not good enough and keep dying with bombs in stock. As in, 5~6 bombs. Which translates to another 5~6 bombs and 1~2 lives with Sakuya A. Especially when said derpdeaths are in S3 and S4, which literally throw power and points at you.

[Ghost]

You know, I'm starting to see such claims as outrageous. Mind directing me to a replay where this is actually abused to such extent?

I could do a stage 4 replay, but I'm terrible at actually dodging things and end up dying heaps to spell cards since MarisaB can't actually bomb spam through them >.>

But as an example, during the 4th stage mid boss's second attack, you can bomb next to her and continuously go above and below the PoC to farm life pieces (I've gotten at least 4 before)
You can do a similar thing to every non spell in stage 5. (like at least 2 life pieces per bomb)


Though as for Sakuya-A, she's my favourite shot type to use, and her bomb is so strong for extra (where other bomb's power are almost meaningless) due to how it's essentially two bombs in one (where the second part's either a free deathbomb or 3/8's of a bomb back >.>)
And when I can keep spending 5/8's of a bomb to remove any anxiety over failing to dodge stuff I perform a lot better lol.

[CyberAngel]

Found an example on YouTube. Good god, Self-Sustaining Power Type indeed. Still, that requires some skill to pull off (and knowledge where you can farm that many items), so it's not like it's OP. But exploitable nonetheless

[Raikaria]

Got to the Final Boss' 3rd spellcard.

Those Knives. In fact that spellcard and the nonspell which is basically it without the targeted giant knives are both crazy.

I also hardly 3CC'ed. That survival... those large knives.

Having seen the whole of normal:

- A lot of the nonspells are the same basic thing recycled, with the exception of Stage 6. Disappointing in that regard. Even then, Stage 6's 3rd spell is the 3rd nonspell with added GIANT KNIVES.
- Some spellcards are really easy, others very difficult. Stage 3 is a great example, the 2nd spell is easy, the 3rd? Ugh, I see that being a timeout for anything without homing.
- Stage 4 [A] boss is underwhelming. The non-spells I find harder than the spells, and she has fewer than most S4 bosses [3, instead of 4]. The first spell is her hardest, barring RNG screwing on the 3rd. 2nd is a cakewalk. Non-spells are wall city, on the other hand.
- As for the Soundtrack... I love everything Stage 4 onwards, but I wasn't too impressed with most of 1~3, with the exception of Willows.
- Gimmicks are fun. Stage 2's flying head, Stage 4's 2nd spellcard, Stage 5's flips [Yes, I find those FUN], and Stage 6's whole 'bullets that stop above you' and 'BIG'. On the other hand, Stage 1 and 3 are boring, IMHO.

Stage 1 can be excused, it's Stage 1, but Stage 3 is the biggest offender. In Stage 3, the safest thing to do is... not shoot at all? Combined with the boss' final spellcard being virtually a timeout for 4 shottypes [Maybe 3, but Reimu B would have to nofocus], and the fact that most of the stage is streaming, and the movement required to survive the nonspells and first two spellcards of the boss is minimal, and Stage 3 is an utter snorefest.


Ironically the boredom of Stage 3 leads me to try and PoC for more resources, and inevitably die and lose my stacked bombs.

- I also like the fact that a lot of spellcards actively punish you for hugging the bottom 1/5th of the screen, which is what usually is the best move. On the other hand, this probobly could have been accomplished without the BOSS moving to the bottom of the screen, gimping non-homing shottypes. Ironicaly SA Marisa/Patch's Earth Elemental shot would have been excellent here. Oh Marisa, why can you never have the shottype that would be useful in that game?

[Serela]

Stage 3 is a great example, the 2nd spell is easy, the 3rd? Ugh, I see that being a timeout for anything without homing.

Once you get used to the movement pattern, it really isn't that bad.

On Normal, at least >_>

In Stage 3, the safest thing to do is... not shoot at all? Combined with the boss' final spellcard being virtually a timeout for 4 shottypes

That loses you out on a boatload of resources. You need to mix shooting with stopping long enough to PoC. And the final spellcard is nowhere near a timeout for non-homing shots; the forward focus types can end it the second time she goes to the middle without much trouble, which isn't long at all.

Her second card will wall you without mercy if you aren't attentive, even on normal. It generates them pretty often.

[ARF]

Stage 3 is a great example, the 2nd spell is easy, the 3rd? Ugh, I see that being a timeout for anything without homing.

I think the forward shots can defeat Kagerou's final spell even faster than the homing shots if you know what you're doing (vs not knowing, at least :V), I managed a 15.41 second kill with MarisaB and got 19.12 with ReimuB and 19.65 with SakuyaB.

[Sahgren]

Finally got my copy of DDC and 1cc'd normal. Outside of the 5th boss' gimick and the final bosses survival card, I enjoyed it. Turns out I'm both greedy to a fault on the PoC abuse and have horrible timing at it. I lost a couple of lives trying to run up to the top of the screen at inopportune times.

[Waahst]

More UFO procrastination.

MarisaA's impersonation of MarisaB. All ya need is some collecting here and there! lots of bombs too

[BT]

>procrastination
>full runs as a form of procrastination

Teach me.

[Elysia]

I timed out Seija's only boss spellcard!  :]

Well, that took longer than I would have liked, arrows are still stupidly clippy. So there's just her midboss card left... :ohdear:

...probably going to go after Kagerou instead.

[BT]

I timed out Seija's only boss spellcard!  :]

Well, that took longer than I would have liked, arrows are still stupidly clippy. So there's just her midboss card left... :ohdear:

...probably going to go after Kagerou instead.

I think you employed it, but the card's much less dense if you go to one of the sides when the purple wave leaves them and the blue/green waves start, then go back to the center at the yellow waves.

[Raikaria]

I think the forward shots can defeat Kagerou's final spell even faster than the homing shots if you know what you're doing (vs not knowing, at least :V), I managed a 15.41 second kill with MarisaB and got 19.12 with ReimuB and 19.65 with SakuyaB.

That's the thing.

I don't know what I'm doing.

[Arcengal]

DDC extra clear. Finally.

Also 1cc'd Normal first try, blind.

[ARF]

welp, seems like I hold the overall WR for DDC now :3 :V

http://score.royalflare.net/th14/score14.html

[Formless God]

hahaha what it's like i'm watching a cave game on arrange
Stage 5 desyncs around the midboss area

[BT]

I was about to congratulate StrongARF as well.

Stage 6 NMNB as ReimuB waifu is definitely within reach by  the way.