DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[I have no name]

Here, re-reading.

[Shadoweh]

You say that like I'm not blatantly blackmailing people for votes. Half the reason I'm mad about nukes not being Day 1 is because I would be doing ##Nuke instead of ##Vote.
Neko, if you can expect other people to forgive you for being a snarky mafia player, I would expect you not to call snark scummy.
'Reasoning he is scum' is rife through his responses to me pointing out that he was using Dan as an excuse to do nothing. "I regret more and more not lynching you". Really? There's no using my actions beyond the fact that I'm trying to get him lynched to prove that I'm scum. He just really wants me to go away and the more firmly it's not happening the more he's stuck trying to lynch someone who is unlynchable to anyone who reads the first few pages. (Which is not many of you but I'm here to help!)

[Shadoweh]

also these accusations are starting to look as cohesive as Rawr's cases on Dormio in So You Want To Be The Townest. Except Raikaria is trying to push them seriously. "Shadoweh is blackmailing people and that's a criminal thing therefore she must be a criminal!"

[Raikaria]

also these accusations are starting to look as cohesive as Rawr's cases on Dormio in So You Want To Be The Townest. Except Raikaria is trying to push them seriously. "Shadoweh is blackmailing people and that's a criminal thing therefore she must be a criminal!"

More accurate than you telling NNR to take up a spear of vengeance against me when just before I was accused of defending NNR.

And if you can explain how blackmailing is possibly town, then I'll stop calling it a scum action.

[NekoNekoRex]

I think she was joking about the Blackmail thing, Raikaria It's not like I took it seriously anyway.

Again, Raikaria is taking the game too seriously.

Shadoweh needs to actually tell me what Raikaria is doing that's scummy instead of "go read Raikaria".

[WHMZakeri]

Zak, what has NNR done that looks town to you?

Hold on, I'll have to check later.


PX's post is very nonconvincing.
In addition to unvoting HW, can you attempt to explain why you don't want to lynch NNR? I know I feel the same way, but hearing your version would help.

Re: Shadoweh's post 341- basically, from the difference between the way you talk about my vote on dan and Raikaria's is that Raikaria is scum because he was tunnling.
I'm very uncomfortable with your attack on Raikaria because the only way to do that is to keep trying to invalidate a case on someone who is still probably scum.

I am pretty sure Dan outright named what he thought the slip was by now so acknowledging must be Rakaringlish for 'i want to slip back on your sexy back wagon'.

Except for the fact that ActionDan doesn't even have a wagon now. What use would Scum-Raikaria have for pushing a dead wagon with no wheels? If anything, this is town-frusteration

I'm beginning to understand where Shadoweh is coming from now, but Raikaria is still too not scum for me

Speaking of scum tunneling

Aside from earlier comments on Rawr and Dan being unlynchable-inactive, All I'm getting is that you're wagoning on Raikaria, likely to butter up Shadoweh. Do you have opinions on anyone else?

Also, this is completely off topic, but what Airline did you take on your trip, Serela?

Edit: NNR: Basically, Raikaria was tunneling on Dan and of course since OMGuSing is never punished, Shadoweh and Raikaria are basically trying to out OMGuS each other. It's strictly a case of them taking it too seriously. Honestly, if one of them is scum for tunnling, I might as well just consider both of them Superbussing scum.

[ActionDan]

prod dodge in game will post after

[Serela]

Aside from earlier comments on Rawr and Dan being unlynchable-inactive, All I'm getting is that you're wagoning on Raikaria, likely to butter up Shadoweh. Do you have opinions on anyone else?

Also, this is completely off topic, but what Airline did you take on your trip, Serela?

United.

And, I thought I made clear I meant Dan was -not- the kind of inactively unlynchable D: I was also entirely uncoherent yesterday, though. I kept leaving out parts of posts that I meant to edit and then forgot about.

Anyway, my first post is still pretty much accurate about my reads on people, except that since then they've gotten stronger in their respective aspects. Happy to lynch Raikaria/Dan. Rawr is terrible but a useless lynch. IHNN/NNR are kind of not great but I don't actually see anything super terrible yet. HW/Zak/BT/Dorm are town. PX is ?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

how scummy is drrawr, serela?

[Serela]

he's posted like two lines

it's bad but you can't really get a read off of that beyond "well maybe he's scum and can't think of anything to say/plans to superlurk".

If he continues someone can just nuke him on d3.

[I have no name]

Ok initial impressions reading through that is there is probably at least one non-town in Raikaria/Shadoweh, still not seeing NNR!scum, ActionDan is surprisingly useless and HW would be my first guess for the SK.  Partly for forgetting it (though I can see town doing that too) but mostly for being independent, trying to look town but not supertown to avoid an NK.  He's generally regarded as non-scum but is mostly reading through and asking token questions.  Even still, SK!HW is something I would keep around for a bit as his scumhunting is still useful.  Would nuke come D3, or lynch today if a wagon takes off.
ActionDan I don't really feel like voting today.  We gain nothing from his lynch right now.
rawr hasn't improved but since no one else wants to lynch him today I'll ##Unvote.
Initial impressions say Raikaria is the scummier of Raikaria/Shadoweh but i need to re-read that section.
Zakeri is someone I forgot about.  I'll need to re-read him as well.
No interest in a PX wagon today.  Between him and rawr his content is better.

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh needs to actually tell me what Raikaria is doing that's scummy instead of "go read Raikaria".

I've told you three times. Do you really need me to repeat it again? "Is using Dan as an excuse not to post about anything else, then responded to a vote on him like DEFCON 1 had started and threw out the worst YOU MUST BE SCUM case I've ever seen". You know, you aren't going to get a case that doesn't involve you needing to read him. I've been quoting some of him in my posts though so if you're reading me you've read some of him.

Zak: Not tunneling. Tunneling would at least involve saying Dan was scum but also remarking that other people are scum/town too. Note that he takes the time to remark on people immediately after I call him out for it, but that hardly stops me from being scum somehow? If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.

Also I've been thinking, and the Doc should consider going between Zak and the Fighter. Zak is kind of obvtown and the longer he's alive, the longer the scumteam is stuck talking about rocks. (WIFOM for scum is also fun.)

[ActionDan]

tbh, the main reason Dan thought my post is a scumslip and nobody else got it until he pointed it out is probably because he's non-town and knows that more than one alignment stole a role

otherwise it shouldn't stick out to him given that I had no fucking idea how it was even a scumslip when he told people to look at the post he quoted. I'm calling him as SK who legit thinks I'm scum.

you're the guy who took care to come up with a plan and I doubt you'd just 'forget' that there are more than 3 people who could mess around with it.  Besides you were more careful in other posts to call shadoweh non-maf if she snagged cop etc.  which shows that you were cognizant of factoring in the SK.  Casually grouping together roleblocker/tracker/? in that post shows a laspe in your thinking.

[ActionDan]

HW you're silly, I was on airplanes returning to the east coast of US from Hawaii all day. The mod even announced me as V/LA. :C I forgot what that means but that's not the point, anyway I'm back now hi

Kind of tempted to vote Dan, but there's enough "what the fuck is even going on here" in that area that I'd rather let him explain himself first. Voting him anyway would just feel like sitting on my laurels not giving a fuck which would be dumb

HW should lay off the role spec because even with attempts to break the setup it really isn't going to get anywhere to start that stuff ASAP (that being said, idle suggestions on what certain roles should do with their powers a la Shadoweh/PX's things, are totally cool as long as people don't start getting into big discussions about it. And no I don't mean px's vote on hw)

I'm having an issue deciding which of Rawr/Raikaria/NNR are actually good voting options. Maybe IHNN could go in that list too. I guess this is because, when it comes down to it, the game only just started and I rarely get much out of ed1 >_> I keep typing "I have no interest in voting ____" and then I read another one of their posts and backspace that out. Buh.

Rawr feels too easy of a target. He didn't even vote, and I headtilt when trying to read his post. I'd almost feel bad even suggesting I want to vote NNR because it feels like he's been immediately wagoned (and usually lynched) in all recent memory of mafia on here.

Oh my god I seriously have an issue with not wanting to vote people before late day 1. Nevermind.
##vote ActionDan

Everyone I didn't mention is in a group of "they look alright to me so far".I giggled

this entire post is speculating on how to vote, not speculating on who is scum.  There is no "Dan seems scummy... because", in fact none of the people that aren't "alright" have anything remsembling a reason as to why serela does not like them.  I find it hard to believe Serela gives in to temptation to join a 5-man bandwagon for the sake of serela placing a vote.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I personally think that Dan being so confident in something so stupid makes him town.
Dunno about you guys.
Of course, at the same time, I'm not paying attention to his "read" at all.
Also, I'll try to read the other shit soon but still no promises until I get home or something.

[PX]

For Zak:

Raikaria and NNR's latest posting makes me think again about my reads. But it's just way too hard to ignore first impressions.

Pretty much this. As for huhwhat, don't see anything from him to make me like him, but nothing I can use to really try to push yet.

[Raikaria]

I've told you three times. Do you really need me to repeat it again? "Is using Dan as an excuse not to post about anything else, then responded to a vote on him like DEFCON 1 had started and threw out the worst YOU MUST BE SCUM case I've ever seen". You know, you aren't going to get a case that doesn't involve you needing to read him. I've been quoting some of him in my posts though so if you're reading me you've read some of him.

Zak: Not tunneling. Tunneling would at least involve saying Dan was scum but also remarking that other people are scum/town too. Note that he takes the time to remark on people immediately after I call him out for it, but that hardly stops me from being scum somehow? If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.

Also I've been thinking, and the Doc should consider going between Zak and the Fighter. Zak is kind of obvtown and the longer he's alive, the longer the scumteam is stuck talking about rocks. (WIFOM for scum is also fun.)

Again, how is 'defending the most anti-town person in the game at the time' the 'worst case ever?'

And that's before your whole 'vengeance' thing with NNR, and the blackmail.

I posted a list of my opinions at that point because I'd just woken up and 2 pages happened while I was asleep.

[Conqueror]

Day 1, DEFCON 3 - Game Event

[NORAD SYSTEM] Unidentified transmissions detected.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Capturing...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Audio files captured.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Descrambling...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Descramble complete.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Cleaning up files...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Cleanup complete.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Playing...

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:C

oh god I have no idea whats going on any more I don't know what to do anymore aaaaaaaaaa

Okay guys, i have a pl-

@mod:
Will be v/la for the weekend

사람이 정말 훨씬 더으로 더 같이하고 싶은 이동도 사용하기로 결정이 있었나요?

곤충 러시 하하하

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

That is the most pathetic attempt at Korean that I have ever seen.
Like the second one literally says "insect rush" instead of "zergling rush" like I assume it's supposed to.
And I don't even know what the first one is trying to say.

[Serela]

yeah this batch is p.clearly just impersonation attempts :V

They sure are having fun with this.

[WHMZakeri]

Why should role choice affect my opinion on reads? I subscribe to Mafia for analysis, not information.

Not a town tell at all, but I guess this quote helped endear me to NNR.

NNR's first case on Raikaria was good, provided decent case, and decent read on Dan and HW respectively, I guess in general I like NNR because there aren't giant flaming holes in his reads like PX Rawr and dan.

Serela is either a competent liar or town. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
I still think PX is worse than rawr, but that's likely because in addition to not providing analysis, and making a useless comment against HW's plan that people seem to mistake for scumhunting when it's really not, I'm also holding that tell from confirmation phase against him. I've been lenient considering the AFKness, but I was hoping he'd do something to at least make me doubt basing an entire scum read based off an joking comment.
I'll happily sheep Rawr if I can't get PX lynched.

basically, I'm only still on Shadoweh because I want to see where people are going to go when we realize that it's time to consolidate.

What do you mean you forgot about me? You're the one that doesn't exist.

Zak: Not tunneling. Tunneling would at least involve saying Dan was scum but also remarking that other people are scum/town too.

Really tempted to start arguing semantics, but ehh.

If you mean invalidating the case on Dan, I do still believe that he's not scum so don't mind me thinking that invalidation isn't a bad thing.

He's almost certainly the SK if not Russian, though. That should count for something at least '^'

##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: PX to be more indicative of my feelings at the moment.
I really doubt that Shadokaria is going to go anywhere.

Edit: PX, I don't even remember who you're voting for, much less why.

[WHMZakeri]

That is the most pathetic attempt at Korean that I have ever seen.
Like the second one literally says "insect rush" instead of "zergling rush" like I assume it's supposed to.
And I don't even know what the first one is trying to say.

"I <3 you Dormio. Now, can you go jump off a cliff? ^_^"
~Sincerely, probably the same person that kept posting Korean in the Scum QT.

[PX]

Dear god, whoever is in that QT needs to be more creative.

[Conqueror]

Day 1, DEFCON 3

Votecount Rolling Thunder
I have no name:    BT (1)
Serela:    rawr (1)
NekoNekoRex:    Dormio, huhwhat (2)
Raikaria:    Shadoweh, Serela (2)
Shadoweh:    Raikaria (1)
huhwhat:    ActionDan, NekoNekoRex (2)
PX:    Zakeri (1)

Not voting: PX, IHNN

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 25 hours left.

[Shadoweh]

Again, how is 'defending the most anti-town person in the game at the time' the 'worst case ever?'

The Most Worst anti-Town Person in history is your hilarious statement, not mine. I very obviously don't believe that he's anywhere near as bad as you say he is. On the contrary, I think you're overblowing it, in the same way that you're overblowing how good a vote I am.

That face fails because it's not size 20.

[Serela]

That face fails because it's not size 20.

Awwwwh Shadoweh remembers <3

In other news, it's ~*~actually consolidation time~*~. We have to seriously start talking about who we'll grudgingly accept lynches on even if it's not our preferred choice. I'd be a little less cut-and-dry about it if it wasn't that I'm going to bed in a minute and may not be back until several hours from deadline, but Raikaria>Dan>>NNR/IHNN>>>PX is a list I can come up with off the top of my head? Everyone else I'd really rather not lynch. Rawr wouldn't be the worst but even if he flipped scum we'd barely get anything out of it, god forbid he flipped town.

Raikaria just seems infinitely hung up on technicalities and that he thinks Shadoweh's vote on him isn't right. Raikaria, I'm sorry, but Shadoweh isn't getting lynched today. Dan seems like an unlikely lynch as well at present. What do you think about the other wagons? Seriously, you haven't weighed in an opinion on people who aren't Shadoweh or Dan, and even then your Shadoweh opinion is based on OMGUS in response to her voting you, and Dan doesn't exist. The reason I didn't continue my conversation with you was because you don't seem receptive to anything I'm saying and I don't have much to do but repeat it like now :c

So please have opinions on other people. Because we're lynching out of those Other People, likely. (Or yourself, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping to get more to lynch you with out of this prodding, but that's just how mafia goes)

[I have no name]

Ok so even after staring at these discussions for the past hour or so I'm not getting much out of them :/
##Vote: Raikaria because that's the person most likely to be lynched that I think isn't IN AMERICA
...
Did I really just do that.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

if everyone sheeps me on nnr instead of handwaving my case on him because who knows why they'll lynch scum

i don't like any other lynch (except maybe rawr, zak's px case is also alright) but i guess i'd take raikaria over myself since i can't vengekill

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

serela's posting history is pretty scummy. first post says nothing concrete then wagon hops on dan after saying he wanted dan to explain first in the same post. second post thinks i'm town but sets up double town kill on me+dan anyway. here his opinion on nnr/ihnn "hasn't changed" but he never had solid opinions on them in the first place as he was still waiting to see. of course since he's not town he doesn't bother to look into them instead of handwaving it. he then just puts them and rawr in the "kinda bad but wouldn't lynch because ____" for the rest of the day without seriously considering any cases on them. i would lynch him after nnr then go for rawr third, then nuke dan for being sk once scum nks me for lynching their entire team

i also need to re-read bt but it's not like he's getting lynched today so eh.

tbh raikaria is probably town.............

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

it's also really bad that serela decides to vote raikaria after further consideration, but doesn't really try to consider nnr / ihnn further. these + rawr were the people he was waffling on in his first content post, but of course only raikaria is looked into because it's good enough of a vote to get him off the dan wagon which make him look terrible if he stuck around on

raikaria is crazy reactive town i think. his shadoweh vote is useless if he's scum trying to avoid lynches and push them onto townies; shadoweh had no lynch interest and responding with an outburst would draw a bunch of attention. not to mention that he could have kept pushes dan and the overreaction is is consistent with his response to the ED1 "wagon" (and his post about that here is super town)

also, the "raikaria is scummy for not looking for the scumslip" case is bs. he thought dan withholding the scumslip was scummy -  this wouldn't change even if he knew what the slip was. how indignant he got when shadoweh called him out points to him being town who believes strongly in his views about scum!dan