DEFCON Mafia (Night 2, DEFCON 2)

[Conqueror]

@mod: does DEFCON 2 trigger if we no lynch?

A no lynch counts as a lynch on No-Lynch-tan. Jerks.

Also have another votecount.

Day 1, DEFCON 3

Votecount Somethingorother
I have no name:    Shadoweh, Serela, huhwhat, Dormio, NekoNekoRex  (5)
Serela:    rawr, BT, Zakeri, ActionDan (4)
rawr:    PX (1)
PX:    Raikaria (1)

Not voting: IHNN

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
You have 2.5 hours left.

No majority = No lynch

[Raikaria]

no lynch discussion is retarded, i shouldn't have to explain why

If there are two nightkills and I think both IHNN and Serela are townies, I'm not exactly thrilled about losing a potential 3 townies by the start of D2.

[Raikaria]

North Korea gets a nightkill, right?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

191 and 335 were townish posts by PX

maybe if you justify your town reads by making shit up

[Raikaria]

maybe if you justify your town reads by making shit up

I think we can openly ignore ActionDan after his 'slip' fiasco. Let alone this stuff.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

NL means we have nothing to go on for the D2 lynch and also just allows scum/sk to kill after only one town lynch instead of two, giving us less town-controlled kills

there's literally no town benefit

[Serela]

North Korea gets a nightkill, right?

yes, it is made clear in rules

[I have no name]

##Vote: Serela
Not Me Over Me, sorry Serela 

If there are two nightkills and I think both IHNN and Serela are townies, I'm not exactly thrilled about losing a potential 3 townies by the start of D2.

This is exactly why I was considering it.  Also this flurry of stuff has completely flipped my Raikaria read I can't possibly see that coming from scum.

If I end up as the lynch today I want last words before I get hammered.

Also compare my play now to when I was the D1 wagon back in TD Mafia.

[Raikaria]

NL means we have nothing to go on for the D2 lynch and also just allows scum/sk to kill after only one town lynch instead of two, giving us less town-controlled kills

there's literally no town benefit

Except we have the whole PX thing that happened to late to lynch PX, and two flips to go on.

[Raikaria]

The town benefit is keeping a possible [And in my opinion, very likely] townie alive.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

we don't have any flips to go on if we nl today

scum/sk can't kill n1

nevermind that even if they could it'd be fucking useless because scum aren't going to nk our scumreads if possible

[Raikaria]

we don't have any flips to go on if we nl today

scum/sk can't kill n1

nevermind that even if they could it'd be fucking useless because scum aren't going to nk our scumreads if possible

For clarification: "5 days or until lynch" refers to the deadlines.
DEFCON 3 --> DEFCON 2 and DEFCON 2 --> DEFCON 1 phase changes happen at the start of game days.

Night Phase is DEFCON 2.

There are nightkills tonight.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

the start of game days, meaning town will only enter defcon 2 once n1 ends

[Raikaria]

Wait actually I'm confused now. Is that:

D1: DEFCON 3
N1: DEFCON 2
D2: DEFCON 2
N2 ->: DEFCON 1

Or:

D1: DEFCON 1
D2: DEFCON 2
D3: DEFCON 2
D4: DEFCON 3

[Raikaria]

the start of game days, meaning town will only enter defcon 2 once n1 ends

Nevermind cut.

[Serela]

With 2 nightkills per night and Super Armageddon Level nuclear war on day 3 onwards, one townie probably isn't going to make a difference to how long the game lasts anyway.

The gain from making a lynch is far better even if it's a townie. And, hey, it might not be! Townreads aren't always right.

[Serela]

I should stop arguing because Raikaria is probably going to put me at l-1 if he decides to lynch. >_>

[Raikaria]

*Sigh*

Screw it the PX lynch clearly isn't happening, most of the game has said so by now.

Which means it's back to where I was before I went on the PX push.

##Vote: Serela

I should stop arguing because Raikaria is probably going to put me at l-1 if he decides to lynch. >_>

I have said many times I'd rather vote you than IHNN.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

serela, how do you read recent raikaria posts

[Serela]

"I MUST LYNCH PX OR NO LYNCH" doesn't seem terribly indicative of alignment

Well I guess him not just trying to lynch -me- (who he'd know is town if he was scum, etcetc) over No Lynch is suggestive of town raikaria, actually. :T I have to grudgingly admit this.

[Serela]

Rawr, BT, or Zak have to switch from me to IHNN to make the IHNN lynch possible. Even then, there's the matter of PX's vote, which isn't on either.

BT wants both of us lynched so it's realistic he might switch. I don't see Zak mentioning IHNN but he had an apparently strong town read on me in several of his posts, so.

I hold hope! ...man, now I'm gonna end up staying awake until 1am -again-.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

nvm serela is scum lol

Hammering in 15 minutes, post last reads if I'm wrong and you're town

[Raikaria]

Rawr, BT, or Zak have to switch from me to IHNN to make the IHNN lynch possible. Even then, there's the matter of PX's vote, which isn't on either.

BT wants both of us lynched so it's realistic he might switch. I don't see Zak mentioning IHNN but he had an apparently strong town read on me in several of his posts, so.

I hold hope! ...man, now I'm gonna end up staying awake until 1am -again-.

On this point:

Yes, the main reason I'm voting you over IHNN is that I have a very mildly stronger gut feeling [And that's all it is] from your posts that you may be scum than IHNN, and it's better for consolidation purposes since you are closer to the lynch. Seriously, if the balance of votes was such that it would be more likely to reach a lynch on IHNN, I'd probobly vote him instead of you.

In an ideal world I would be lynching neither of you, and we would happily be lynching PX or ActionDan.

[Serela]

...wait what.

Oh my god, buh.

IHNN is pretty scummy looking? At this point that's the only notable opinion I have to give. (I don't count townreads as a notable opinion unless they're really strong for whatever reason or everyone else thinks they're scum, so. I already gave those earlier for what they're worth regardless, but people rarely pay attention to the opinions of dead townies if it's not role-related.)

[Serela]

Considering it's only day 1, there isn't really much to give in the way of last words. >_>

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

not really i just wanted to test for a self-hammer

rai, why do you think ihnn is town?

[Serela]

On second thought, I suppose Zak saying I'm obvtown ++ more then once and then suddenly turning around and voting me is weird. But, I thought he was town :C I didn't really try to read him very hard in a looking-for-scum way, though, so.

Cut by AAAUUGH well that's better then being lynched by a long shot.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i really think scum!serela would've just expected i caught him on something in his answer to my question about rai, assumed he had no chance and posted a silly response or self-hammer instead of something genuine

but ymmv

[Raikaria]

not really i just wanted to test for a self-hammer

rai, why do you think ihnn is town?

Because, as I've explained before, I have an overall 'meh' read on him. In my books, I consider someone town if they are a 'meh' read D1, because there's more than enough of the game left for them to prove themselves, and odds are they are townies anyway, from sheer probobilty, when I have scumreads on Shadoweh, PX and Actiondan already.

The same with Serela.

It's a town leaning. They are nowhere near as town as I think Zakeri, Dormio and NNR are.

The main difference is vote balance and just a gut feeling.

[Raikaria]

Just to add, if they continued being 'meh' through D2, then my opinion would gradually trend towards more scum than more town.