Spell Card Help Topic VI: How do I used Bomb?

[Elysia]

Resident Marine Benefit Goddess Malkyrian, any insights?

Oh wow you flatter me.  :blush:

Here's my second wave path.

As for the third wave, it's mostly a matter of going around Mikoto and making your own paths as you go. The first time you hear Mikoto make a charging sound and see energy converging on Reimu, a white ring is going to start expanding around Reimu. When it hits the white lines that extend from Mikoto, those lines will spawn aimed bullets. What I do here is misdirect them away from the walls, and once they're all aimed there, head towards the walls and macrododge around them, then get back a safe distance away from the walls. Basically, the walls are your safespots, except that if bullets are aimed there, you've probably already failed the card, so make sure the white line intersections happen before you go there. The second time you hear Mikoto make a charging sound, though, it means Mikoto is about to dash to your position, so get out of the way! She's going to alternate after that - first time means a new ring, second time means Mikoto tries to tackle you.

This'll go on until the fourth phase, which is very similar to the third phase except that Mikoto stays in the center and stops rushing you, and instead spawns a ring with every charging sound. She also shoots a lot more bubble bullets during this phase. Not really much to say here except that if you got this far, you know what to do, it's just execution, dodge as hard as you can and good luck.

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

I can't believe I'm asking this... but I need help/advice on Ten Desires particularly against:

Yoshika's First spell card Heal by Desire - I can never capture the damn card due to that she keeps healing herself and if I don't hit the spirits I end up scaring myself into a bullet or timeout. Any ADVICE or pointers on what to do about this evil spell card will be helpful.

Yoshika's last spell card - This I'll say it up front I know that I need to dodge the red kunai bullets and through a path way past another stream and grab the blue spirits before she heals herself, but my problem lies within trying to maneuver without getting myself train wrecked by the bullet streams.  Any ideas or tips on getting pass this problem?

Seiga's Spell cards minus her mid-boss - Half of these cards are the reason I die due to getting scared or end up being clipped, although taking out Yoshika made things a tad bit easier on me, it tends to back fire due to me getting hit by a incoming bullet  or

Spoiler:

Shou wannabe

curvey lasers by sheer bad luck.  Is there anyway for me to avoid looking like a derptard when I go against her spell cards?

Note: I usually play Normal mode for challenge and try to break a certain curse I have when I play Touhou bullet hell games.

For "heal by desire" get right under her but not too close (one of those bosses that shoot you if you're too close) and stream downward, by the time you reach the bottom her health should be less than 25% and then weave between the bullets until you clear.

For Seiga's cards like Tao Taido (whatever it's called) stay at the bottom and wait and see where the curvy laser are heading maneuver and through the black balls and find a spot to sit in for a few seconds and when they start to move bail out *rinse repeat*a nd be aware of Yoshika but don't waste time trying to defeat her(I don't think you can anyways).

[Heian_Alien]

[way too thorough explanation]

And it's done! Thanks a whole bunch,that was immensely helpful. I did get a "bit" lucky at the last 10 seconds, because it became hellish.
What were they thinking when they made this?

[MewMewHeart]

@InfiniteWave: Thanks a ton Infinite, I'll try both ideas to see if they work so it would make my life count easier.

Also, just a small update by some miracle I got pass Seiga when I first posted my request for help, but now I'm stuck on Stage 5 and it's cluster *censor* hell of bullets.
I don't need help with Tojiko though... SHE WAS PRETTY easy for me to get pass her spell with a few minor setbacks.
Futo however, is different story since I somehow ran into a bullet during her boat spell card due to excitement of finally getting to Stage 5 of a Touhou game.
Any pointers in the near future of what is to come?

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

It would take to long to explain in text so I made a replay for Stage 5 and 6. Ignore the derp deaths in stage 6. And for Miko's last non-spell it's pretty much up to luck for me because I suck at that kind of dodging especially with knifes.

Little did you know this was the first I ever cleared Miko's last spell card.


Stage 5

Stage 6

[MewMewHeart]

It would take to long to explain in text so I made a replay for Stage 5 and 6. Ignore the derp deaths in stage 6. And for Miko's last non-spell it's pretty much up to luck for me because I suck at that kind of dodging especially with knifes.

Little did you know this was the first I ever cleared Miko's last spell card.


Stage 5

Stage 6

Thank you Infinite, once again.
Yesterday, I practiced stage 5 and got to Futo's last spell card. DAMN! It was so fun spinning and dodging amulets.
But, let me see take a look and see how to do the stages properly.
Edit:  GAWD I SUCK AT CAPTURING RAINY IWFUNE! *pichun*

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

No problem. I've been playing 10D a-lot lately (trying to clear Mamizou) so I offered my 2 cents. If you need any more help just ask. (Though I don't consider myself a pro)

[MewMewHeart]

No problem. I've been playing 10D a-lot lately (trying to clear Mamizou) so I offered my 2 cents. If you need any more help just ask. (Though I don't consider myself a pro)

It's ok Infinite, as long as you try your best.

In other news: I think I can easily capture Kyouko's cards on Normal especially Long Range Echo since all it's about reading hit boxes on the bubble bullets.
Also, I like how you cheesed Chaotic Clan Dance, I nearly laughed, but now it's my turn to get to stage 6.
However, I must first end my curse of dying from Stage 4 due to SEIGA FRICKING KAKU AND HER SHOU WANNABE LASERS. 

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

Yeah, with Chaotic Dance I kinda forgot my usual routine so I moved to random location staying under Miko as much as possible. 

Regarding Seiga's lasers, personally I would take Seiga's over Shou's, me and have a bad history deaths and even to this day not only can I not 1CC UFO but I can't clear Shou's double giant green laser spell that takes up the entire screen.

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

After finally figuring out some of Suwako's spellcards I made it too her time out spell. But I don't know what to do besides bomb and hope for the best.

Any ideas?

[Oh]

Memorizing both of them would be your best bet.
Here's a replay
It's really easy when you memorize them. However my strategy at Red Frog is not optimized for faith.

[Zork787]

Any tips for Genetics of the Subconscious and Philosophy of a Hated Person, I just can't figure out a method for Genetics of the Subconscious and I keep getting trapped and these 2 card's are really the only thing keeping me from clearing Koishi for the first time :/

[Limian]

for Genetics:

In Genetics, there are two alternating laps Koishi takes. The first is N-shaped - shoot her while she's moving down diagonally, but get out of her way at the bottom. When she reaches the top right, she aims for your position (indicated by a charging sound), so make your way to the upper left when she's on the right side to get more shooting time. In the second lap, she starts at the bottom left again, then goes upper right - upper left - lower right - aim and then the first lap starts again. You have more time to shoot her in the second lap, but the aim is harder to take advantage of. I usually misdirect her to the bottom left, then circle around the upper half and deplete her health somewhere in the third lap (full power ReimuA). The pattern she fires is static I believe, although the bullets are not terribly hard to read anyway (they can be somewhat scary when you're at the top if you're not used to them though).

for Philo:
- first phase: Koishi makes an L-shaped movement over the screen, so the top right is safe. I believe she aims at your position after this phase finishes though, and the top right is the worst place for her to start at for the second phase, so I usually go the left or bottom (or bottom left) if I'm feeling safe.
- second phase: she moves in a U shape, so just alternate between the top left and top right. It takes significantly more guts to go to the right, though, but it's not that difficult.
- third phase: move in a square around the middle, aligning yourself with the gaps as you go. If you go at the right pace, Koishi isn't an issue. You're also safe in the middle of each empty square, but unless you have like 3 seconds left, you should make an effort to get the hell out of there lest you get squeezed into the upper left corner.

[Reiko]

I really need to improve my micrododging skills.
Is there any game/stage/spellcard I could practice to get better at this ?
More than half of my deaths are stupid clipdeaths (or general character control failure) on stuff I can read without problems. It's like, I tap, and my character randomly goes a few pixels too far. Maybe it's a keyboard issue, I don't know, but it's annoying.

[I have no name]

I really need to improve my micrododging skills.
Is there any game/stage/spellcard I could practice to get better at this ?
More than half of my deaths are stupid clipdeaths (or general character control failure) on stuff I can read without problems. It's like, I tap, and my character randomly goes a few pixels too far. Maybe it's a keyboard issue, I don't know, but it's annoying.

Rather than practice moving 2 pixels vs. 3, I'd try playing no focus, or at 90 FPS.  Dealing with a faster movement speed, and having to do so precisely is good practice.

[KuroArashi100]

Does anybody have any tips for dodging Cirno's opening nonspell in EoSD  on Lunatic?
I tried really often but I can't seem to do it.
I am able to dodge the first wave but I always die on the second because I can't finish her of fast enough.

[Wriggle]

Safespot. You can see it at my no-focus 1cc in my sign.

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

Anyone have a method for Mamizou's stupid shrine maiden card? I need to atleast be able to survive long enough to bomb through, that way if I die on her time out spell I still have lives for the last one.

Memorizing both of them would be your best bet.
Here's a replay
It's really easy when you memorize them. However my strategy at Red Frog is not optimized for faith.

Thanks, I made up to red frog and I no longer have trouble with the snake chasing card (after iron ring) but Iron Ring still gives me problems I guess I gotta get used to it. I really wish there was a spell practice mode for this game.

for Genetics:for Philo:
- first phase: Koishi makes an L-shaped movement over the screen, so the top right is safe. I believe she aims at your position after this phase finishes though, and the top right is the worst place for her to start at for the second phase, so I usually go the left or bottom (or bottom left) if I'm feeling safe.
- second phase: she moves in a U shape, so just alternate between the top left and top right. It takes significantly more guts to go to the right, though, but it's not that difficult.
- third phase: move in a square around the middle, aligning yourself with the gaps as you go. If you go at the right pace, Koishi isn't an issue. You're also safe in the middle of each empty square, but unless you have like 3 seconds left, you should make an effort to get the hell out of there lest you get squeezed into the upper left corner.

This should be very useful since whenever I get to this card it reminds me of when I used to suck at Moku and lose all of my lives on Fujiyama Volcano. I almost got Philo down but Genetics still scares me. I terrible at fast dodging and spells in which the boss is moving all over the place (Ran Yakumo).

[KuroArashi100]

Safespot. You can see it at my no-focus 1cc in my sign.

Thanks a lot! I always died because the aimed circles walled me and then she would start firing more shotgun blasts which
were undodgeable. (for me)

Anyone have a method for Mamizou's stupid shrine maiden card? I need to atleast be able to survive long enough to bomb through, that way if I die on her time out spell I still have lives for the last one.

I haven't got there myself yet (I can only get to the spell before that) but I saw someone recommend trying to time it out rather than focusing on dealing damage, making a kind of circles around the screen.

Thanks, I made up to red frog and I no longer have trouble with the snake chasing card (after iron ring) but Iron Ring still gives me problems I guess I gotta get used to it. I really wish there was a spell practice mode for this game.

I always start at the bottom, then go around her in a wide circle once she starts firing, then once I made 3/4 of that circle I wait until she stops firing before going back to the bottom and repeating, choosing the side that seems like it will have the most room.
It doesn't always work but I can capture it most of the time, and the card is slow enough to give plenty of warning before you get hit.

[Karisa]

For Moriya's Iron Ring, note that the rings are fired in sets of 10; it may help to count them as they're fired. I try to be at the bottom center for the first 4 (or sometimes 5), and the top center for 8-9-10.

Why the center? If you're directly above or below Suwako, the rings will bounce vertically, making them easy to track, so you'll only need to actually dodge 3 rings as you're circling around (which shouldn't be enough to wall you).

[Zil]

Anyone have a method for Mamizou's stupid shrine maiden card? I need to atleast be able to survive long enough to bomb through, that way if I die on her time out spell I still have lives for the last one.

I made a replay once. http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=18027

I can't really remember it though so I can't promise it will be very helpful.

[KuroArashi100]

Any tips for dodging Heaven and Hell Meltdown? (Utsuho's 4th spellcard)
I usually go to the sides and try to get out of the way of the bullets, but is there an easier way?

[Sage Ω (Ultima)]

I always start at the bottom, then go around her in a wide circle once she starts firing, then once I made 3/4 of that circle I wait until she stops firing before going back to the bottom and repeating, choosing the side that seems like it will have the most room.
It doesn't always work but I can capture it most of the time, and the card is slow enough to give plenty of warning before you get hit.

For Moriya's Iron Ring, note that the rings are fired in sets of 10; it may help to count them as they're fired. I try to be at the bottom center for the first 4 (or sometimes 5), and the top center for 8-9-10.

Why the center? If you're directly above or below Suwako, the rings will bounce vertically, making them easy to track, so you'll only need to actually dodge 3 rings as you're circling around (which shouldn't be enough to wall you).

Thanks hopefully I get the timing right.

I made a replay once. http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=18027
I can't really remember it though so I can't promise it will be very helpful.

Alright. I'll take a look at it next time I play.

Any tips for dodging Heaven and Hell Meltdown? (Utsuho's 4th spellcard)
I usually go to the sides and try to get out of the way of the bullets, but is there an easier way?

On Normal if you stay near the right side and pinch move in a circle around the bullets that might help. Try not to move more than you need to though. I'll see if I can get a video up for you.

[Tsym]

Any tips for dodging Heaven and Hell Meltdown? (Utsuho's 4th spellcard)
I usually go to the sides and try to get out of the way of the bullets, but is there an easier way?

If you have really good eyes, I've seen people dodging in the middle on Normal. I don't think it works too well on harder difficulties though.

For the most part though, going to the sides and dodging is your best bet. I'd also recommend trying to stay closer to the center than to the sides as I think it's easier to read bullets that are coming at less of an angle. You'll pretty much have to find your own rhythm for dodging the card though, but yes the "moving in a circle" method does work pretty well for this card. Here's how I do it on Lunatic, but the Normal version is pretty much the same I think.

[Limian]

Thanks hopefully I get the timing right.

The timing isn't actually hard to get right at all, and you'll probably notice that when you play. Of course, you'll want to jump out of the way above/under her at the last second, but there's no strict timing involved.

If you have really good eyes, I've seen people dodging in the middle on Normal. I don't think it works too well on harder difficulties though.

I've captured it in the middle on Hard before (on my 1cc, even) and seen Lunatic perfect runs of that stage that do it the same way - it's not much harder than at the sides (it really fucks with your eyes all the same regardless of where you are :V), it just seems a bit counterintuitive.

[Elysia]

Anyone willing to suggest a route for the third phase of Skylark? (Reimu's first timeout in MB Extra) The first two phases are not a problem at all, but I just cannot for the life of me figure out a way to keep the rings from making trouble. Basically everything after the red and green walls phase is where the trouble starts.

Skylark is the only thing standing in the way of perfecting Kanpukugu for me right now. I can have runs where I die twice to that phase while capturing literally everything else, and it's utterly infuriating.

[Sahgren]

I've been having some trouble capturing Yuyuko's second to last spellcard "Getting Lost" on Normal. After a certain points the bullets build up to the point where I can't figure out an escape route. Is there a way to move to cut down on where the bullets build up?

[KuroArashi100]

I've been having some trouble capturing Yuyuko's second to last spellcard "Getting Lost" on Normal. After a certain points the bullets build up to the point where I can't figure out an escape route. Is there a way to move to cut down on where the bullets build up?

It seems to be a somewhat weird streaming spell, so by staying ahead of the butterflies you might be able to avoid some.
The small bullets are random, and as far as I know there is no other way of reducing the number of bullets other than bombs. :V

[Tsym]

I've been having some trouble capturing Yuyuko's second to last spellcard "Getting Lost" on Normal. After a certain points the bullets build up to the point where I can't figure out an escape route. Is there a way to move to cut down on where the bullets build up?

The butterflies that Yuyuko shoots out are aimed at your position the moment they spawn in, so if you're continually moving in one direction, they'll fire behind you. There's a short lull where Yuyuko stops summoning butterflies right after she fires the static burst of bubble bullets that I use to re-stream the butterflies. After a while, the rice pellet bullets start to increase in density though, and there isn't much to do about it. Just bomb it at that point if you can't read it. Try to at least get good enough at the spell that you don't need to bomb it until the very end.

[Karisa]

The bubble bullets don't appear on Easy or Normal, except at the start. Only on higher difficulties. There's barely any difference though otherwise; I'm about as consistent at it on Easy as I am on Lunatic.