Touhou Rage Thread XV: No "No Misses" Edition

[SirChaotick]

I WAS DOING SO EXTREMELY WELL.

MoF Lunatic. Goddammit. I had an awesome Aya fight, first capturing Saruta Cross, then capturing Terukuni Throughout The World for the very first time at 0 power. This led me to reaching Kanako with no less than FOUR lives, a solid three better than my last attempt, in addition to three bombs. I was set.

Bomb first nonspell twice. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Die on Medoteko a hair before capturing with one bomb in stock. Okay, no big deal.
Do guncannon without incident, do an awesome job on Divining Crop. Very nearly captured it before panic bombing.
Bomb third nonspell without incident.

Yamato Torus declares. My mother and sister start yelling at each other with me in the middle.
I DIE. THRICE. WITH ALL BOMBS LOST. EIGHT OF THEM.

Bomb the next two attacks, land in Wind God with three bombs and no lives where there should have been no bombs and three lives.
Somehow I do a far better job of it than I ever did before, dodging to about halfway when I succumb to a wall.
I would MOST DEFINITELY have done it was it not for those FREAKING KNIVES. THOSE KNIVES.

Allow me to type  a string of all caps gibberish RIGHT NOW BECAUSE AARARRARGHHHQFFQDFFQSDFMQSDAERZAERREESSDFFFQQAAAFOQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQDFZERAERMERFGHDFVQSDHBBZHFMQBMVQBFMUMFHQBFMDVBMQQFVVPEAQFDVYDSQGFSDYZEQCQS
*pichun*

[Byaaakuren]

I was never really good at the card where the three fairies rammed into the walls

[Zengeku]

Okay, that's it. I'm done with DS 90FPS. At least for now.

The controls are just so hideously bad that it makes me want to throw up. This is not a challenge, it's me rolling dice hoping that I don't randomly run into bullets with one of my three equally useless and unwieldy movement speeds. Back to 60 FPS with me and enough with this arbitrary bullshit. It's not fun at all.

[Sakurei]

is there a scene in particular that gives you the dice rolling feel? I mean, some of the later ones in StB were like that, but I cannot say there was much I couldn't read. with like 1 or 2 exceptions + the ones you aren't  supposed to read (I.e StB 10-2)

as for controls: I felt the same. but I got used to at least the focused and charge speed. unfocused is still uncontrollable bullshit, though.

[Szayelaporro Granz]

Died at the last 2 seconds when trying to capture "Possessed by Phoenix" at spellcard practice and it took me another few hundred attempts to finally capture it (I was being stubborn for not watching the replay again for advice) TAT

[Zengeku]

It's actually all scenes that aren't easy. I feel like every time I clear a tough one it's just because I got lucky. The unfocused movement speed is absolutely uncontrollable, the focused movement speed is way too fast and the charge speed is way too slow.

The Ultra patches is certainly the way to go if you want to make the photography games challenging. At least that way you can maintain precise controls. I don't want to spend 400+shots waiting to capture something by chance. It's frustrating as hell and there are better things for me to spend my time on than trying to ruin Double Spoiler for myself. 90 FPS sucks, i'll just stick to NMNB things, pacifism, maybe a few scores in the future and 1cc's of other non-Touhou games.

[Sakurei]

man, when you say "all scenes that aren't easy" it makes you sound as though you don't like hard stuff. I know what you mean and there were scenes in StB where I felt the same (9-6 and 10-6 in particular).

but unlike 90 fps, ultra gives you outright impossible stuff and that is even less fun. I know whzat you mean, definitely and I agree that DS 9-7 is complete bullshit on 90 fps, but it also makes boring easy stuff actually challenging (like DS 8-1. god, that's tough now. used to be one of the easier scene in stage 8 ).

I don't agree with focused speed being too fast, though. it's still slower than going unfocused in 60 fps. with reimu.

it's also slower than chiyuri :V

[Zengeku]

man, when you say "all scenes that aren't easy" it makes you sound as though you don't like hard stuff.

Well I do, I just don't like 'hard because I can't control this'.

but unlike 90 fps, ultra gives you outright impossible stuff and that is even less fun.

It is regrettable that the Ultra patch makes certain things impossible but the things that are actually humanly possible are infinitely more fun than anything 90FPS related due to having good controls in my opinion. I had a lot of fun capturing as many scenes as I possibly could in StB/DS ultra.

I don't agree with focused speed being too fast, though. it's still slower than going unfocused in 60 fps. with reimu.

Well I also happen to be of the opinion that unfocused Reimu 60 FPS is pretty much useless for anything involving any sort of precision much less anything that requires fast precision like DS 8-1 90FPS.

[Sakurei]

I thought 9-7 would be the most annoying scene, but no. it was 9-5. holy fuck, satori you are a cunt in this game. out of 4 scenes you have, 3 are a pain. what the actual fuck.

I mean, I somehow managed to clear stage 9 (completely, with 9-7 and all :V) but FUCK that was annoying. saying it now: 9-5 is the most annoying scene in the game if you play at 90 fps. I kid you not. diving in becomes impossible due to the speed of everything. holy shit.

[Lepetit89]

I thought 9-7 would be the most annoying scene, but no. it was 9-5. holy fuck, satori you are a cunt in this game. out of 4 scenes you have, 3 are a pain. what the actual fuck.

I mean, I somehow managed to clear stage 9 (completely, with 9-7 and all :V) but FUCK that was annoying. saying it now: 9-5 is the most annoying scene in the game if you play at 90 fps. I kid you not. diving in becomes impossible due to the speed of everything. holy shit.

Just thinking about 9-7 at 90 FPS makes me shudder. Out of curiosity, what do you mean by diving in?

[Sakurei]

in 9-5 satori runs away when you want to take a picture, so you need to make a quick dive into the heart and snap the picture. that's at least the way I have done this at normal speed. but due to everything being fast as fuck now, doing that always resulted in me dying. so I had to find an alternative method. that one is probably safer at normal speed, too :V

9-7 wasn't as bad as 8-1, to be honest. the first picture is a free one anyway. the second one is all about reading the bullets. and the third one is something between luck and read. it was difficult, but much easier than the original kinkaku-ji or 8-1. how the fuck did something so simple turn into the horror anyway? I still don't get how orin did that

[Lepetit89]

in 9-5 satori runs away when you want to take a picture, so you need to make a quick dive into the heart and snap the picture. that's at least the way I have done this at normal speed. but due to everything being fast as fuck now, doing that always resulted in me dying. so I had to find an alternative method. that one is probably safer at normal speed, too :V

Ah, I see, I see, that's why I was wondering why you dived in; the approach I came up with back when I dealt with it simply consists of waiting at the bottom of the screen, letting Satori dive in, so to speak. Like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gZqhFOatx4.

Surprised that 8-1 got much worse, though.

[Sakurei]

I tried that, too, but I couldn't dodge the fast hearts at one point and ended up dying. I'm not going to spoiler (lol, because that's important :V) how I did it, but I suppose there aren't many (if any) possibility left.

yeah, I was just as surprised, but the red phase is terrible and painful. I'd choose 9-7 over 8-1 every day when I am forced to play them at 90 fps.

[Lepetit89]

I tried that, too, but I couldn't dodge the fast hearts at one point and ended up dying. I'm not going to spoiler (lol, because that's important :V) how I did it, but I suppose there aren't many (if any) possibility left.

yeah, I was just as surprised, but the red phase is terrible and painful. I'd choose 9-7 over 8-1 every day when I am forced to play them at 90 fps.

Haha, I see, I can certainly see that turning into an issue at 90 FPS. Well, looking forward to seeing what you came up with either way!

[ARF]

I tried that, too, but I couldn't dodge the fast hearts at one point and ended up dying. I'm not going to spoiler (lol, because that's important :V) how I did it, but I suppose there aren't many (if any) possibility left.

yeah, I was just as surprised, but the red phase is terrible and painful. I'd choose 9-7 over 8-1 every day when I am forced to play them at 90 fps.

I'm guessing you did it by following the lanes of hearts around in circle/semicircle? That's how I "solved" it when playing no-focus :3

And 9-7 is easy even on 120fps :V

[Sakurei]

...yeah, that's what I did. felt like the only feasible thing to me. and as I said, it's probably the last thing you could do to clear that scene.

you don't count when it comes to StB and DS being easy :V I found it tough enough on 90 fps. but that's one of the hell scenes gone for me. only like 10 left :V

[Szayelaporro Granz]

in 9-5 satori runs away when you want to take a picture, so you need to make a quick dive into the heart and snap the picture. that's at least the way I have done this at normal speed. but due to everything being fast as fuck now, doing that always resulted in me dying. so I had to find an alternative method. that one is probably safer at normal speed, too :V

9-7 wasn't as bad as 8-1, to be honest. the first picture is a free one anyway. the second one is all about reading the bullets. and the third one is something between luck and read. it was difficult, but much easier than the original kinkaku-ji or 8-1. how the fuck did something so simple turn into the horror anyway? I still don't get how orin did that

9-5 is so much easier when I realized that all I need to do is tapping the Z key quickly without allowing her to escape I also got better score for that

[Sakurei]

yeah, it is. but to get a successful picture you stil need to be very close. so close that it's outside of my abilities to dodge the hearts at 90 fps. which is why I had to resort to circling. trying to zoom onto satori will only allow her to escape

[Szayelaporro Granz]

yeah, it is. but to get a successful picture you stil need to be very close. so close that it's outside of my abilities to dodge the hearts at 90 fps. which is why I had to resort to circling. trying to zoom onto satori will only allow her to escape

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that. My apologies~

[Byaaakuren]

Ugh, died at Maze of Love right as I was about to capture it

[Star King]

I failed Hourai Elixir Lunatic at 00 seconds... 3 times in less than 10 tries. Wat.

[Wriggle]

I failed Hourai Elixir Lunatic at 00 seconds... 3 times in less than 10 tries. Wat.

A while ago I failed Hourai Doll timeout at 00 four times, even though the seconds are actually seconds there.

:V

[Sakurei]

I failed Hourai Elixir Lunatic at 00 seconds... 3 times in less than 10 tries. Wat.

that is actually not uncommon. I had it happen when I perfected IN stage 6A. it's actually "made" so you have one last tricky dodge at 00 seconds. in spell practice 00 is my most common death time on it.

[Lepetit89]

Pretty much, yep, really, really hated the last three seconds.

[SirChaotick]

GOD EFFING DANGIT.

NOW WITNESS THE GLORY OF THOSE LAST TWO STAGES.
I was doing awesomely before I died with FOUR BOMBS just before the Sanae fight. I got to Kanako with three lives and into DVoWG with two lives and two power. Go look how close I came. That last dodge... asdfaqfdfafdqdfqsdf

There shall be a reckoning.

[Arcengal]

Yamato Torus declares. My mother and sister start yelling at each other with me in the middle.
I DIE. THRICE. WITH ALL BOMBS LOST. EIGHT OF THEM.

You probably know this now, but if something's happening in a run where you can't give it 100% of your concentration then you should pause the game. It has the possibility of breaking the flow of the game but that's better than losing loads of lives.

Also, pause in a position where you're not going to have to dodge within two seconds of unpausing, if possible.

[SirChaotick]

a position where you're not going to have to dodge within two seconds

Those exist?
Also yay for dying four times in a row to Shizuha's nonspell

[Sakurei]

people, 12-6 is too hard. I keep dying before I can even charge up for the first photo :V

no seriously, I am not going to do it. the bug keeps killing me before I can shit. I'll safe a replay of how it looks. every_time.

[ARF]

people, 12-6 is too hard. I keep dying before I can even charge up for the first photo :V

no seriously, I am not going to do it. the bug keeps killing me before I can shit. I'll safe a replay of how it looks. every_time.

Never give up!!! http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=25951

Going out to the menu if you get bugged helps, usually.

[Sakurei]

you'd be surprised how quick I managed it once I didn't die to thin air :V



the replay wasn't desynched either, so I suppose I can put it up.

on another note: 12-7 is painful. I already took 300 pictures and the best I managed was 6 photos like 2 times.