Author Topic: Touhou Rage Thread XV: No "No Misses" Edition (Read 180019 times)

Sakurei · « **Reply #300 on:** December 08, 2012, 02:59:53 AM »

I use middle finger and my index finger to shoot :V for some reason, they're always both on the shooting button. but it does enable me to use survival bombs, since I only need to press x for a split second

Yatakarasu · « **Reply #301 on:** December 08, 2012, 04:47:12 AM »

For me it's: Pinky/Ring = focus, Middle = fire, Pointer = bomb. Then I make adjustments when playing TD and GFW.

Goldom · « **Reply #302 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:12:18 AM »

Really the "optimal" way would be to get used to focusing with pinky, so that you can have fingers all the way to C for TD/GFW, but that's beyond my dexterity. I just use three fingers and switch the last off X to C when trance is full... and I only play GFW with a footpedal bound to C :V

BT · « **Reply #303 on:** December 08, 2012, 08:00:21 AM »

Quote from: Goldom on December 08, 2012, 05:12:18 AM

Really the "optimal" way would be to get used to focusing with pinky, so that you can have fingers all the way to C for TD/GFW, but that's beyond my dexterity. I just use three fingers and switch the last off X to C when trance is full... and I only play GFW with a footpedal bound to C :V

I'd love to see someone use their thumb to successfully manage trance. It's so clumsy.

Lepetit89 · « **Reply #304 on:** December 08, 2012, 11:03:29 AM »

Quote from: Goldom on December 08, 2012, 05:12:18 AM

Really the "optimal" way would be to get used to focusing with pinky, so that you can have fingers all the way to C for TD/GFW, but that's beyond my dexterity. I just use three fingers and switch the last off X to C when trance is full... and I only play GFW with a footpedal bound to C :V

I do it exactly the same way, though I simply didn't use C for GFW. A little too hard for me to get used to something different at this point, though I might give it a try if the C-button does get some use again in the next game since that might mean that it's going to remain in use in future games.

Chalros22 · « **Reply #305 on:** December 08, 2012, 12:47:39 PM »

Quote from: Wriggle on December 08, 2012, 02:43:19 AM

It's almost impossible to use survival bombs in that way. Try practicing using the middle finger to shoot, so you'll have two free fingers to bomb/focus.

I've gone this long my way, and plus I hate using bombs just for survival. I feel more accomplished when I finally succeed. Also my hands are quite large so the area would be cramped if I use 3 fingers. I tend to just roll my finger over when I need to bomb. The problem became when I wanted to trance while I was doing TD lunatic. I almost had to look at the keyboard half the time to make sure I didn't bomb instead of trance.

Quote from: Goldom on December 08, 2012, 05:12:18 AM

footpedal bound to C :V

Use the ctrl key

Limian · « **Reply #306 on:** December 08, 2012, 01:23:42 PM »

Since the German keyboard goes [Shift] [<] [Y] [X] (with y being the shooting button), I found pinky - focus, middle - shooting, index - bombing always the only logical choice (the c button is a bit stupid, but I haven't got into GFW yet, and you don't have to trance that much). I was wondering what you guys were doing until I found out that the American keyboard just has a longer Shift key.
Fair enough, my positioning is nothing but comfortable for most games anyway.

Wriggle · « **Reply #307 on:** December 08, 2012, 02:01:50 PM »

Quote from: Yatakarasu on December 08, 2012, 04:47:12 AM

For me it's: Pinky/Ring = focus, Middle = fire, Pointer = bomb. Then I make adjustments when playing TD and GFW.

Yeah that's exactly how I use them.

Sakurei · « **Reply #308 on:** December 08, 2012, 02:30:28 PM »

I don't use c for GFW. I just tap the whole time. I don't get why people don't do that. during my GFW extra perfects attempts, I sometimes did like 50 attempts in one go and always tapped, my finger didn't get tired, so what's keeping everone else from doing it? using c is just so...ugh. I can't get used to it.

Chalros22 · « **Reply #309 on:** December 08, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »

Quote from: Sakurei on December 08, 2012, 02:30:28 PM

I don't use c for GFW. I just tap the whole time. I don't get why people don't do that. during my GFW extra perfects attempts, I sometimes did like 50 attempts in one go and always tapped, my finger didn't get tired, so what's keeping everone else from doing it? using c is just so...ugh. I can't get used to it.

I always tap in GFW. it's not like you have to be a button mashing pro to keep a good fire rate up.

Limian · « **Reply #310 on:** December 08, 2012, 06:15:34 PM »

After reaching Yukari 3/3, the following happens to me:
1 death on first nonspell, get 1up after reality/dreams and the 500 point extend
2 deaths, 1 border break and 1 deathbomb on second nonspell
2 deaths on motion/silence
1 border break and 1 death on light/darkness
Apparently all my dodging skills went completely down the drain in this run, even though the stage portion was rather decent.

Zengeku · « **Reply #311 on:** December 08, 2012, 08:15:52 PM »

Quote from: Sakurei on December 08, 2012, 02:30:28 PM

I don't use c for GFW. I just tap the whole time. I don't get why people don't do that.

Because tapping to fire reminds me of shmups from the 80's and 90's and by that nature makes me fucking pissed because old shmups sucks. :V

The better reason is that it's just because that's what I'm used to. Holding down Z or C is no different to me since I play many arcade shooters too so I'm used to having two fire buttons. I also think that it's easier for me to concentrate on the dodging when I can just hold down a button instead of tapping it but that might just be placebo.

Yatakarasu · « **Reply #312 on:** December 08, 2012, 11:33:57 PM »

SA adventures with ReimuB (normal): I just lost 1 life to stage 5 and 4 to Orin. :V That run was going so well too. Then I game over'd to Fixed Star. :fail:

Stay tuned for Yatakarasu's next installment of "Failing at things she should be able to do!"

Byronyello · « **Reply #313 on:** December 09, 2012, 01:20:40 AM »

Inserting my two pence on' what fingers I use': Little finger for focus, ring finger for fire, middle finger for bomb, and index finger for trance/autofire etc. I don't get why most people don't do it this way, though I guess it's due to keyboard layout. (I live in the United Kingdom you see.)

Anyway, the pre-Kogasa part of UFO's Extra stage drives me up the wall. The only reason post-Kogasa doesn't drive me up the wall more is because I can't reach it enough times to gauge how much I hate it. Nue is really fun, but the actual stage isn't entertaining, just difficult (I would say that this reflects the nature of UFO as a whole.) I mean, I've got to Heiankyou twice.

Aeteas · « **Reply #314 on:** December 09, 2012, 03:26:19 AM »

Almost perfected Ran and then I failed Izuna Gongen.

Zil · « **Reply #315 on:** December 09, 2012, 04:12:56 AM »

Quote from: Byronyello on December 09, 2012, 01:20:40 AM

I don't get why most people don't do it this way,

I find that my pinky is slower than my ring finger. It's also difficult to move it independently. For example, try bending your pinky finger without moving your ring finger at the same time. That's not something everyone is capable of. I always tapped Z because of that. Using the pinky made it harder to do complicated inputs.

PMW · « **Reply #316 on:** December 09, 2012, 05:58:05 PM »

>Trying to perfect LLS Marisa
>Boss has a silver of life left
>SUMMON ORBS
>Panic
>Get Orb punched in the face as Marisa is exploding

>Rage

Wriggle · « **Reply #317 on:** December 09, 2012, 07:18:42 PM »

For the fucking third time I reached Ran's Izuna Gongen in a Perfect attempt and failed there. I know she's easy, but looks like I FORGOT how to enter the safespot. And the red bubbles love to be aimed in the worst possible position, which barely allows me to shoot Ran. Will I never best that NMNB1bb I did back in my birthday? :colonveeplusalpha:

Tsym · « **Reply #318 on:** December 09, 2012, 07:26:50 PM »

GFW Marisa is mean. Extra boss fights generally have some odd gimmick about them, but Marisa... Come on how is that even fair? And those non-spells? What? Really? Sigh. And I haven't even gotten past Open Universe yet. Blarrrggh.

Sakurei · « **Reply #319 on:** December 09, 2012, 07:55:50 PM »

marisa's odd gimmick are ass-fuck annoying familiars with 100% sprite-hitbox. her nons are really tough, but planning a bomb here and there should help you with them. especially on the 6th before open universe. are you doing a first clear on it or some sort of challenge?

Tsym · « **Reply #320 on:** December 09, 2012, 09:02:47 PM »

Quote from: Sakurei on December 09, 2012, 07:55:50 PM

marisa's odd gimmick are ass-fuck annoying familiars with 100% sprite-hitbox. her nons are really tough, but planning a bomb here and there should help you with them. especially on the 6th before open universe. are you doing a first clear on it or some sort of challenge?

I'm doing a first clear. After a few more attempts I've gotten to Blazing Star, but Perseid and Open Universe are particularly wrecking me every time. Big Crunch to a lesser extent. Personally I think it's just that I have no ability to read the arcing motions of the orbs in Open Universe and I don't have a good timing down for ice in Perseid. It's something that I have to work on, but I don't think I've ever encountered an extra boss that has stonewalled me with only a few spell cards as well as Marisa. At some point extra bosses become not messing up, but Marisa actually feels like a fairly tough and desperate fight for resources, especially near the end.

Edit: Oh, and the fact that I can't attempt the stage too many times because tapping z or holding c/ctrl wrecks my hand is fairly annoying.

Double Edit:

Sigh. I would try again, but my hand already hurts even though I only tried like two times. Alas, physical limitations...

BT · « **Reply #321 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:52:26 AM »

This was my second time reaching Fairy Destruction Ray. Or, more appropriately, this was my second time surviving Blazing Star Like Tag.

I died on the second phase with 166% PF. I was stubborn -- I should have bombed, even though I probably would have been JUST short of another PF for the last phase. The final phase is EASIER than the second phase, and this would've been my second time facing it, so hopefully I'd have been less... panicked. Acing it, probably.

I don't know if to be fed up more by that, my inability to dodge more than ten seconds of Blazing Star Like Tag or the fact that I fared so MISERABLY to the nonspells in this run. That, and Perseid. Good lord.

Right before this came a run that was by far my best run of the stage, and probably my best playing ever. I'd No Deathed Big Crunch AND Master Spark Like Flashlight, AND died only once to Open Universe, AND died only once to Perseid. Yet I didn't even survive Blazing Star Like Tag because I played like a sloth and the beginning of the fight was mediocre.

The world hates me. I hate the world back.

Makedounia · « **Reply #322 on:** December 10, 2012, 01:45:00 PM »

I played TD with Sanae, made it to Miko without dying, dies to the last spell. Makes me want to punch someone...

Sakurei · « **Reply #323 on:** December 10, 2012, 06:00:10 PM »

playing on 90 fps is pure dope, but I can't dpdge stuff for shits. I died 4 times to MoF stage 2, game over'd to stage 6 and sotrm day and PWG are pure nightmares now.

not to mention all the pixel perfection that is momiji and sanae's midboss spell. incidentially, I can handle the "hard" part of stage 5 pretty well. (I mean the first half, generally. the re-directing and stuff).

man, I just don't know, but it feels like I'm playing 2 difficulties above what I am usually doing. and all I did was make the game 50% faster.

there has also been the idea of some NB runs swirling in my head, but I don't want to quit 0 fps now because it was too difficult. blergh.

RNG · « **Reply #324 on:** December 10, 2012, 07:15:20 PM »

No-bomb runs are a great way to play Touhou ;V

Karisa · « **Reply #325 on:** December 11, 2012, 06:53:33 AM »

OK, more SA Lunatic 4-suicides-for-score (3 to Parsee for graze and one for bombing stage 4 Orin's point items) 1cc attempts. When I made it past Utsuho's first 2 cards and still had an extra life remaining, I thought I was going to finally get the clear... then this happened. With full power, too.

On the plus side, wow my score is higher than expected. Considering SA Lunatic's clear bonus is guaranteed to be at least 206 million, that means I would have reached 1.9 billion by clearing... I think this might be my best chance at non-IN 2 billion, actually.

Arcengal · « **Reply #326 on:** December 11, 2012, 07:03:58 PM »

Marine Benefit extra is just destroying me. It looked so easy watching videos of it, but when I decided to play it...
(same was true for 8 Million Laughing Gods).

I made it to Gathering Void: White and well yeah died there because the card is bullshit.

Edit: Beat it after realised it rewarded you for not dying, so went SA on it's ass.

Zil · « **Reply #327 on:** December 11, 2012, 07:51:28 PM »

Oh hey another 90 million.

Anex threw a fit in the last two rounds against Yumemi. Completely lost control, and nothing I did would salvage it. I had difficulty entering my name into the scoreboard. My hands hurt from punching my desk. Fuck everything.

Elysia · « **Reply #328 on:** December 11, 2012, 08:55:06 PM »

Why does every non-Reimu character have a deathbomb time of negative 2 seconds?

It wouldn't be so bad if I weren't doing something stupidly ridiculous in PCB that Sakuya is absolutely 100% necessary for...and I would have actually pulled it off if the game hadn't decided to ignore my deathbomb...FOUR TIMES.

K.B. · « **Reply #329 on:** December 11, 2012, 11:17:13 PM »

Quote from: Zil on December 11, 2012, 07:51:28 PM

Anex threw a fit in the last two rounds against Yumemi. Completely lost control, and nothing I did would salvage it.

D:

On a lighter note, I laughed at your hs edit (though I certainly hope it doesn't come to that!).