Touhou Rage Thread XV: No "No Misses" Edition

[BT]

Got to Blazing Star Like Tag again after a while.

I can't put my disappointment to words. It's like I chose all the parts I did amazingly on in the prior run and died to every single one of them. I died to the first spell, I died to the very last second of Big Crunch, I died twice to Master Spark Like Flashlight, I died to the slow nonspell before the two last nonspells... at least I didn't die on Open Universe (had to use two bombs, and that's actually amazing) and did the third nonspell properly for a change. Oh, and I died to the spell before Blazing Star only once (instead of three goddamn times). That's an improvement, I guess.

[チソウ タイゼン]

Okay, so, my superior-by-dodging-and-scoring run of PCB Phantasm got beat out by my regular-survival-run-play replay simply because my survival run ended with six spare lives and three bombs.
I got to Yukari with 490,000 Cherry Max and 280 million points, compared to like, 450,000 and 190m, and I still wind up getting 750 million in the score-run, as compared to 948 in the survival.

Yeah, fuck you too.

[Zork787]

It doesn't seem to matter how many times I practice Stage 5 Normal in SA, Orin ALWAYS seems to have a way of hitting me no matter how much I dodge her bullets! Especially fucking Cat Sign "Cat's Walk", Fuck that Spell Card, and Fuck you Orin!

Edit:
Now I've been trying to beat the MS Extra for the past 2 hours now or so, first of all I can never seem to get to Alice with lives or bomb's in stock as something always NEEDS to freaking clip me, specifically the Mid Bosses 1st bloody phase... And the furthest I got in all that was Alice's 6th Phase and after that I could barely get to her 3rd phase  let alone her 2nd phase

[Nindella]

It doesn't seem to matter how many times I practice Stage 5 Normal in SA, Orin ALWAYS seems to have a way of hitting me no matter how much I dodge her bullets! Especially fucking Cat Sign "Cat's Walk", Fuck that Spell Card, and Fuck you Orin!

Edit:
Now I've been trying to beat the MS Extra for the past 2 hours now or so, first of all I can never seem to get to Alice with lives or bomb's in stock as something always NEEDS to freaking clip me, specifically the Mid Bosses 1st bloody phase... And the furthest I got in all that was Alice's 6th Phase and after that I could barely get to her 3rd phase  let alone her 2nd phase

Ahh, Cat Walk is really hard for normal, I suggest just auto-bombing it right before the waves reach you and not a moment later.  Make sure to follow Orin as she dashs about the screen to deal as much damage as possible, and you can kill it off before she starts the 2nd wave.

Feel free to use this helpful No-Deaths No-Dodging-Required Stage 5 guide made by a very nice person:  http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=14425

[BT]

Fuck.

Blazing Star Like Tag again, but this time I can't fault my play at all, which is why I'm at a loss for words. (again, but it's different now!) I played well, but I very much lost the run to "those" deaths - like ramming into the stars that spawn at the second stage of Blazing Star WHILE they spawn, dying to the VERY last second of the second-last nonspell (homing yellow jellybeans & red fireballs, which I was going to ace flawlessly, with the help of some godly dodges), dying to one of the "tails" of Grand Cross's fireballs, dying to Big Crunch because the timing of your PF left you no room to dodge the familiars (seriously, ZUN, 100% hitbox is NOT necessary at all...), "those" deaths.

I'm annoyed more than anything else.

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, I died to the third AND fifth nonspells, so I guess I'm feeling a bit better about this now. (because this suddenly looks a lot less impossibly prone to bullshit)

[Goldom]

Hint for Cat's Walk: follow her around until the first step on the bottom row, then stop. If you follow her along the lowest row until she leaves the screen, you'll have a much harder time dodging the shots than if you stop following and focus on dodging at that point. ReimuA will still kill it before the end of the 2nd round, 3rd for everyone else I think.

Fairy Wars is making me mad. I hate so much that it doesn't give a bomb on a new life - I get to a spell that I can't deal with without bombs in stock and I'll lose 2-3 lives on the single pattern, totally ruining the run. That and those few spells where the blue shards love to spawn directly on top of me.

I also gotta agree with whoever was saying the Ex stage portion is dull. (Was that even this thread? I have no idea). I mean, I've only even made it to Ex Marisa once, but even though I still suck at it, the stage part is SO repetitive.

[Sakurei]

I have to agree with BT and the 100% hitbox thing. makes me so mad when mtx stouching the most outer part of those familiars and I die. that's like, my main death-cause in big crunch.

also, so many 2dnb runs, it hurts. I think I actually have to start planning, instead of just romping through everything. I suppose this stage is at a difficulty, which requires some planning :V

and goldom, I have yet to see a stage potion of an extra that isn't repetitive. how many times does EoSD extra have fairies aiming pellets at you? 3? GFW extra has, in comparison, a pretty good stage potion. it's just made so that you can stock up on lives and power. that's all.

[Tsym]

Damn while trying another round of UFO it finally dawned on me. I'm not really challenging myself anymore. Now I'm just waiting for my concentration and the RNG to align for my 1ccs. This isn't "hard" anymore, it's just a matter of not screwing up. And I feel as though this is why it took me so long to get my SanaeA 1cc. I hate playing games where my only objective is to not screw up. I get bored ridiculously easily, and make tons of silly mistakes that just prolong my frustration. I like something challenging that I can improve on. I'm not really improving on anything here, I'm just whittling away time.

I really wish I had the ability to pinpoint these problems sooner. I always feel like I'm a step behind of the game. I should really do something else. Hm... I guess I'll experiment with different stuff for a bit. Hm... What's the easiest game to 1cc at 90fps?

[Sakurei]

probably PCB, seeing how it gives you tons of resourced and most bosses aren't that difficult.

[Goldom]

and goldom, I have yet to see a stage potion of an extra that isn't repetitive. how many times does EoSD extra have fairies aiming pellets at you? 3? GFW extra has, in comparison, a pretty good stage potion. it's just made so that you can stock up on lives and power. that's all.

I guess you're right, but EoSD and most other extra stages only lasts 3 minutes, and that includes the midboss, while FW's stage is over 5 minutes.

[Elysia]

[Cor]

Damn while trying another round of UFO it finally dawned on me. I'm not really challenging myself anymore. Now I'm just waiting for my concentration and the RNG to align for my 1ccs. This isn't "hard" anymore, it's just a matter of not screwing up. And I feel as though this is why it took me so long to get my SanaeA 1cc. I hate playing games where my only objective is to not screw up. I get bored ridiculously easily, and make tons of silly mistakes that just prolong my frustration. I like something challenging that I can improve on. I'm not really improving on anything here, I'm just whittling away time.

I don't think that's true. I mean, sure, I feel just like that when I play, but there are these people who can pretty much clear every time with their eyes closed. There has to be something you and I can improve on.

[Tsym]

I don't think that's true. I mean, sure, I feel just like that when I play, but there are these people who can pretty much clear every time with their eyes closed. There has to be something you and I can improve on.

Right but the problem is that aiming for 1ccs of UFO doesn't help me to really improve on parts that are difficult. Instead I mainly plan bombs around them. For example, I always go into Kogasa with at least 1 bomb to skip PSM, I bomb the same spells in every run (everything of Shou's, everything of Byakuren's save for a certain few), and so on and so forth. At this point, I have strategies for pretty much everything that I can more or less reliably do. Now it's about execution. And I can't execute my strategies consistently. I feel as though my main barrier is my reflexes, so I think it might be wiser to aim higher, expand/improve my experience and dodging abilities and then come back again rather than grind away at all too familiar patterns.

[RNG]

Missed a Stage 5 perfect run to Futo's second non. AARGH

[Zork787]

Ahh, Cat Walk is really hard for normal, I suggest just auto-bombing it right before the waves reach you and not a moment later.  Make sure to follow Orin as she dashs about the screen to deal as much damage as possible, and you can kill it off before she starts the 2nd wave.

Feel free to use this helpful No-Deaths No-Dodging-Required Stage 5 guide made by a very nice person:  http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=14425

funny thing is, not long after posting I actually captured it for the first time :V and after watching that replay, HOW COULD I MISS SUCH AN OBVIOUS SAFE SPOT IN HER FIRST NON SPELLCARD PATTERN!  :colonveeplusalpha:

So now I did my own attempt using some of those stratagies although I still died to her last card because I bombed a bit too much and didnt have any power left to bomb with :V http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=25482

[Star King]

Right but the problem is that aiming for 1ccs of UFO doesn't help me to really improve on parts that are difficult. Instead I mainly plan bombs around them. For example, I always go into Kogasa with at least 1 bomb to skip PSM, I bomb the same spells in every run (everything of Shou's, everything of Byakuren's save for a certain few), and so on and so forth. At this point, I have strategies for pretty much everything that I can more or less reliably do. Now it's about execution. And I can't execute my strategies consistently. I feel as though my main barrier is my reflexes, so I think it might be wiser to aim higher, expand/improve my experience and dodging abilities and then come back again rather than grind away at all too familiar patterns.

Maybe to "improve on parts that are difficult" you should go for some perfect stages, or try No Bombs. Both will force you to actually dodge stuff like PSM instead of just auto-bombing it and never learning it.

[ark]

Maybe to "improve on parts that are difficult" you should go for some perfect stages, or try No Bombs. Both will force you to actually dodge stuff like PSM instead of just auto-bombing it and never learning it.

safespot PSM

[I have no name]

safespot PSM

Dodge PSM by using SanaeB spreaad

[Zil]

bomb PSM for score

[Zetzumarshen]

Dodge PSM by using SanaeB spreaad

Sanae B :
First wave : Safespot and unfocused shotgun
The rest : dodge, bomb, or continue safespot+shotgun for score (not recommended),

[RNG]

I think Tsym has already cleared with SanaeB and is going for the 6/6. With Marisa A I'd recommend bombing, but every other shot type should probably safespot. It isn't actually as hard as I thought.

[Cor]

It's same old same old with MarisaA as well, Kogasa lets you out of her barrage just in time for you to dodge the orb(s) coming from straight above.

[Sakurei]

lol, you people. safespot dat shi and good going.

something for myself: after tons and tons of horrible playing in GFW extra and MS extra, I decided to take a break for today, seeing as I got fucking angry for every death. Went for something more casual. a no bomb MoF run.

things went well, 1 death on stage  3(on nitori's first spellcard, of all things), 1 death on stage 4. (to momiji, in the last fucking second. that would have been a NMNB stage 4, if that didn't happen. HURR DURR)

I died 4 times in stage 5 and 3 times in stage 6. what the fuck? how can I die to stage 5 four fucking times? how the hell does that even work? I failed streaming, I failed the midboss card, the memo shit and, probably worst of all, I died to sanae's last spell. had I actually went with 1 death for each of the last two stages, this would have been an AMAZING NB run. also, aside from 2 deaths, everything was absolutely retarded.

seeing how that cannot happene ever again, I tried again. this time, 1 deat on stage 3 (last spellcard this time, durr). 2 deaths to stage 5. I still have over'd. what happened?

I died 4 times in stage 4. still had a perfect aya fight :V I died to what`? a big fairy, momiji, post-momiji and streaming after post momiji. like, what?

people, what the fuck is consistency? I don't have it, and I never will. upon trying a third time, I had 2 deaths on stage 3, 3 on 4, 2 on five or whatever it was. I feel the urge to shoot myself for these runs. everything was silly. I capture hard bullshit like optical camouflage, storm day and PWG, but I die to memo shit and streaming sections? well FUCK YOU, TOO.

[Mixae]

I'm really new at these danmaku games so I go between playing on Easy and Normal but I must be so bad because I haven't beaten one 2hu game yet. I've been playing a lot of Subterranian Animism, but I've heard Perfect Cherry Blossom and MoF are the easiest...not for me. :| I got all the way to Patch on Normal on EoSD but its really tough for me to make it that far on normal lololo

[Cor]

I'm really new at these danmaku games so I go between playing on Easy and Normal but I must be so bad because I haven't beaten one 2hu game yet. I've been playing a lot of Subterranian Animism, but I've heard Perfect Cherry Blossom and MoF are the easiest...not for me. :| I got all the way to Patch on Normal on EoSD but its really tough for me to make it that far on normal lololo

Play whatever the fuck you enjoy playing. Improvement is fast on the lower levels of skill 'cause it's not really a matter of specific strategies, it's a matter of playtime and getting used to the controls 'n' whatnot. You just have to play more. If you stick at it, you'll clear normals in no time, and later on, coupled with careful planning, Lunatic clears are quickly within your reach. (This paragraph is completely out of my ass, but it's what I think is true.)

Which game is easiest for whom is also completely subjective. It depends on how much you like and have put effort in the particular game. General skill carries over from game to game, but executing tactics specific to a game is how you clear one. They may say that Perfect Cherry Blossom is the easiest, but I get so fed up with that boring game (In This Post: opinions) I barely play it at all. It's not easy for me.

[Limian]

Play whatever the fuck you enjoy playing. Improvement is fast on the lower levels of skill 'cause it's not really a matter of specific strategies, it's a matter of playtime and getting used to the controls 'n' whatnot. You just have to play more. If you stick at it, you'll clear normals in no time, and later on, coupled with careful planning, Lunatic clears are quickly within your reach. (This paragraph is completely out of my ass, but it's what I think is true.)

I've been playing for nearly 4 months, and still have no consistency in normal mode at all. Game over'd at Karmic Punishment in PCB today, Cowrie Shell in IN, and I haven't made it past Super-ego in SA despite having made it to Sanae almost 160 times. This is frustrating.

And I just blew a UFO run when I entered stage 4 with 8 lives, and left with 4, including THREE STUPID DEATHS on Sinker Ghost. I ragequit when I was down to only two lives after Nazrin. I wasn't even doing badly until Sinker Ghost, but that one just drained all my motivation.

[Sakurei]

4 months? you're so cute. took me 10 for my first couple normal 1ccs. don't get discouraged if you're having problems now, just continue trying. you'll get it eventually. if you can get to UFO stage 4 with 8 lives, I daresay you'll get the UFO one soon, at least.

[RNG]

Double KOd to Umbrella Halo. My single least favorite card in the series.

And what the hell was I thinking on Heal By Desire, trying to stream it top to bottom? Ugh, I need to get some rest and do this again with a more functional brain.

[Kenta Kurodani]

I've been playing for nearly 4 months, and still have no consistency in normal mode at all. Game over'd at Karmic Punishment in PCB today, Cowrie Shell in IN, and I haven't made it past Super-ego in SA despite having made it to Sanae almost 160 times. This is frustrating.

Mind explaining how you are playing SA Extra if you haven't beaten any touhou games?

[チソウ タイゼン]

Surely you're not confusing Limian here with the one who actually said that they haven't beaten anything, Mixae?