Author Topic: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: Rewrite Mafia)  (Read 57140 times)

Bardiche

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #420 on: February 14, 2013, 06:28:09 AM »
Bard never did actually say anything about whether me being a QT-confined hydra with someone is okay or not, but most hosts forbid hydras anyway so.

You didn't ask, you were just waffling. If you want to ask something, state it plainly and clearly, rather than waffle about "unless you want", which I never take as a question.

wah wah i need an unfair mason advantage over the rest
wah wah unfair mason advantages are good but bard hates them wah

 :V

But no, seriously, I don't think anyone needs a hydra. A hydra gives you an advantage because you can discuss your views with a trusted companion, and two insights are better than one. Even moreso, an insight discussed is more valuable than an insight looked at from one direction. You want a hydra? Go roll a mason role.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #421 on: February 14, 2013, 07:30:50 AM »
What if someone thinks their playstyle is flawed and could use a different perspective to help improve it?

Trial by error is hardly an effective/efficient way to get better at anything, after all.

*cough*
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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #422 on: February 14, 2013, 07:37:07 AM »
Ever done that thing where you make notes and review the game afterwards? Heck if you absolutely need someone to hold your hand, have them make their own notes on the game and review it with you.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #423 on: February 14, 2013, 08:11:50 AM »
I fully support hydras being a power role in setups. ^_^/


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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #424 on: February 14, 2013, 10:04:50 AM »
Ever done that thing where you make notes and review the game afterwards? Heck if you absolutely need someone to hold your hand, have them make their own notes on the game and review it with you.
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Trial by error is hardly an effective/efficient way to get better at anything, after all.
Kilga is this right; like is this person seriously the player, and it's not some alias or something that's designed to be deliberately obfuscating? NekoNekoRex. Who the hell is that :C   ~Poya Aaaa (Serela), Bunny Must Die Mafia

Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #425 on: February 14, 2013, 10:11:59 AM »
trial and error is effective but only if you can identify your own problems

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #426 on: February 14, 2013, 10:28:01 AM »
While you play, you can make your mistakes. Postgame review you have all the answers and can see what the other players were seeing. If you still can't tell what you were voting even with all the flips available then you shouldn't be playing this game.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #427 on: February 14, 2013, 11:06:09 AM »
While you play, you can make your mistakes. Postgame review you have all the answers and can see what the other players were seeing. If you still can't tell what you were voting even with all the flips available then you shouldn't be playing this game.
Some problems aren't so easily found without someone else pointing them out to you. I don't claim to be omnipotent when it comes to my own play in Mafia (or good at Mafia, for that matter). If I could easily make note of what I am doing wrong I certainly wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

Unrelated, but being condescending like that ("if you can't figure it out yourself then you shouldn't be playing this game") isn't a very nice thing to do.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 11:32:25 AM by NekoNekoRex »
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Conqueror

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #428 on: February 14, 2013, 11:24:16 AM »
Putting aside whatever specific issues you might have, I'll just say that if other people find you pleasant to play with, you'll have an easier time avoiding unwanted suspicion and getting the lynches you want. As either alignment.

Really, the best thing to do if you want to improve is to look at why things went down the way they did in the previous games and see what you could have picked up or done differently. Now that you have everything laid out in front of you: alignments, roles, submerged player grudges surfacing in various qts, etc, you have most of the pieces of the puzzle. The last part is trying to understand why people did the things they did, which is the hardest part for anyone who isn't a mind reader. But viewing a common situation through the eyes of different people is a useful skill to develop anyway, and not just for mafia.

I'm not sure what my original point was as the words are starting to blur but I'm sure it's in there somewhere. tl;dr develop charisma/eloquancy to push lynches and avoid lynches, and hone scumhunting skills (by reviewing past games or whatever) to catch scum/fake cases as scum. Understanding how other people approach the game will help with either.

edit: all those words and i didnt say what i wanted to say
if theres something you dont like about your own playstyle
then arent you the best person to figure out what you dont like about it?
pinpoint the problem you have
and then work to fix it
everyone does it differently

almost double posted with an ebwop but i realize i can edit posts yay

edit2: if you insist you cant figure it out yourself
maybe look at other people's playstyles
and see what they're doing differently
and where they succeed and fail
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 11:36:31 AM by Conqueror »


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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #429 on: February 14, 2013, 11:39:28 AM »
I think the main problem right now is that I don't have the confidence to play a game of Mafia especially when I am floundering hard enough as is

/out

As much as I would like to make every post

[ALL] xXxMotKMillerxXx: as if i were actually playing a game of dota
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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #430 on: February 14, 2013, 11:49:18 AM »
nnr that is a fantastic idea and you know what

[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: /in
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: lol you scrubs ready for this
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: you might as well rq bc this game is already over
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: see you at l1 rosh
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: gonna go es or cm prob
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: ill buy chicken and share control
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: dont try any funny stuff
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: srs

[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: wait this game is ar???
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: fxkn host. im repicking if i get something like invoker or meepo.
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: if i get chen ill just play without creeps
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 11:56:51 AM by Conqueror »


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #431 on: February 14, 2013, 11:55:07 AM »
[All] 도미오: дерьмо́
[All] 도미오: gg
[All] 도미오: my team is full of retard
[All] 도미오: ёбаный муда́к
[All] 도미오: our es not even buy chick
[All] 도미오: report es
[Team] 도미오: omg es uninstall
[Team] 도미오: u are retarded omg
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 11:58:00 AM by Ran Yakumo »

Bardiche

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #432 on: February 14, 2013, 12:16:53 PM »
Trial by error is hardly an effective/efficient way to get better at anything, after all.

Actually, it is considered an effective way to get better at things. You don't get better at things by doing them perfectly immediately, but by making mistakes and learning from them. Now, if you're making mistakes but not recognising them, I have to question whether it's beneficial to have someone correct your mistakes immediately; For one, it's unfair to those who don't have a hydra. For two, if I were at work and someone'd correct me the entire day over everything I do wrong, I would probably find a new job.

A hydra is a comfort zone. To learn, you have to get out of that comfort zone. Unless you're otherwise helpless without hydra (Kitten4u's thing where sometimes her brain fries comes to mind), I'm not inclined to allow a hydra. If you want to learn from your game, you can do so at the end of it. Moreover, there are no doubt courses on debating and psychology/manipulation, which are the two relevant skills to have to play Mafia competently. (Mind, manipulation isn't necessarily manipulation through pity parties.)

In any case, not playing due to not being confident you can play the game is fine. If you can't play, it's usually no fun.


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Unrelated, but being condescending like that ("if you can't figure it out yourself then you shouldn't be playing this game") isn't a very nice thing to do.

That's not what he said. Pesco said that if you can't figure out whether you had a vote on Town or Scum EVEN AFTER ALL FLIPS ARE GIVEN, you shouldn't be playing, and he's right. If there's a publicly available list that says Dormio is Scum and you can't figure out you were voting Scum when you voted Dormio, you should not be playing Mafia.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2013, 12:19:16 PM by Bardiche »

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #433 on: February 14, 2013, 12:24:13 PM »
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: lol blue ur just a 13 yr old loser stcuk in his moms basement
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: so stfu
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: im a lawyer ur just a dum kid LAWL
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: blue so dum he doesnt even know which champion is which
[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: anyone want to first blood him i can block him off at ur turret and let ur minions finish him off
[Team] TheOnceAndFutureKing: blue lemme lane with u i promis i wont do anything


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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #434 on: February 14, 2013, 12:41:18 PM »
[All] 도미오: wtf
[All] 도미오: wtf
[All] 도미오: wtf
[All] 도미오: су́кин сын
[All] 도미오: omg
[All] 도미오: pls report es
[Team] 도미오: ёбаный пе́дик
[Team] 도미오: i hope u burn in fire es
[Team] 도미오: fucking retard

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #435 on: February 14, 2013, 12:47:07 PM »
Jesus fuck no

[All] TheOnceAndFutureKing: if i get chen ill just play without creeps
Also: what Chen is this

NNR: I'm guessing you're fed up with how recent games turned out? What I would do is change my playstyle completely and see how that goes.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #437 on: February 14, 2013, 03:18:35 PM »
Also: what Chen is this
the black one

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #438 on: February 14, 2013, 05:49:13 PM »
Conq would know from experience since he learned to be nicer to people and use AtE and now he gets lynched less.
You too can be lynchedless by taking !00% A-Grade Shadoweh! Your cuteness will be unstoppable!
Congrats for making a PR harder to read then the great and mighty Dormio.


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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #439 on: February 14, 2013, 06:22:03 PM »
[All] Amra: Stole Darkness
[All] Amra: fml
Sugoiiii~
[23:02] <~Iced> You have sown the seeds of your own destruction Amra.
[23:20] <Stuffman> enjoy your personally crafted hell Amra

Bardiche

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #440 on: February 14, 2013, 06:42:51 PM »
[All] Amra: Stole Darkness
[All] Amra: fml

I once played with a Rubick who would happily and repeatedly use a Darkness he'd stolen.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #441 on: February 14, 2013, 07:29:41 PM »
Just let me and Serela play Ogre Magi: 2 heads, twice the stupid, no QT :V

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #442 on: February 15, 2013, 01:34:26 PM »
You're starting this now or later?

Bardiche

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #443 on: February 15, 2013, 02:02:28 PM »
When sign-ups die or Sunday, whichever happens first.

... I suppose we can make an argument that sign-ups have died down. In a hurry?

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #444 on: February 15, 2013, 02:04:59 PM »
Slightly bored but not much else.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #445 on: February 15, 2013, 07:56:01 PM »
MAFIA MIAFIA MAFIA MAFIA MAFIA
I look forward to Dormio being the first King and lynching me on the spot


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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #446 on: February 15, 2013, 09:08:15 PM »
I wouldn't do that. Maybe.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #447 on: February 17, 2013, 02:17:15 PM »
Rolling the roles and sending the PMs.

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #448 on: February 17, 2013, 02:40:44 PM »
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Dead:
1. Pesco

Current Phase: Confirmation Phase
Did Pesco roll Dead Townie or something?!

Oh well I guess I shouldn't setup spec when I'm not even in the game.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2013, 02:43:13 PM by Serela »
<mauvecow> see this is how evil works in reality, it just wears you down with bureaucracy until you don't care anymore

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Re: RPG Mafia Thread (Current game: DOTA Kingmaker Mafia)
« Reply #449 on: February 18, 2013, 11:53:08 AM »
With the current game having a DotA flavor, I feel like changing the theme of my game to Rewrite.
So replace The International with Rewrite Mafia, please.