Pictures of Birds Mafia - Game Over

[I have no name]

'It's easy to pretend' is a terrible excuse bececause it's not.

The second thing is bad because Dormio didn't 'drive the lynch', he showed up at the end and swung the wagon towards NNR's lynch.

When all you have to do is make 1 or 2 derpy statements and get towncleared for it it kind of is >.>

I would have reviewed the D1 wagons but you know internet problems.  Even still if it happened because of Dormio then it's scum-caused scum lynch.
Shadormio scumteam calling it now even though I'm probably wrong

PX makes very reasonable points that I agree with except me being scum but I can see where that idea is coming from, my play is pretty lackluster this game.

This post was brought to you by 5 minutes of stable internet.

[PX]

You know, I love how your defense is "Everyone says I'm town so I'm town." instead of actually trying to defend yourself.....

Vote Shadoweh

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

The fuck are you on about IHNN?
##Vote I Have No Name
:toot:

Also, from what I can gather, would not vote Shadoweh.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

To expand, three days into this game, the entirety of IHNN's case on me that he seems to be trying to push pretty hard is non-existent.
The only reason given is that he doesn't like me for whatever reason, and is trying to justify the position that I must be scum for adding my vote to NNR at the end of D1. (What about Affinity?)
On top of that, he's done virtually no scumhunting for the past two days and has just been taking wishy washy stances on everyone.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Serela is also still a thing. Serela, current thoughts about Zakeri?

[I have no name]

Ok finally seem to have stable internet for who knows who long.

Now that I can actually review the game, I can see that my memory of events is way off.  This obviously makes me look really bad.

On top of that, he's done virtually no scumhunting for the past two days

Aside from Serela D2, neither have you, and that's mostly off of interactions.

and has just been taking wishy washy stances on everyone.

Nope, my stances have been pretty solid.  Not necessarily backed by facts because of my memory, but I haven't been wishywashy.  Right now you're as guilty of not paying attention to me/not remembering things as I have been on you, and as you're voting me for it, it must be scummy so your behavior must be scummy so I'm keeping my vote there while I try to find something more concrete.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So, basically, you're admitting you got nothing. Okay.

D1:
#26/48 - Be deliberately obfuscating then use it as an excuse to vote for Shadoweh.
#58 - Easy stance to spin as neutral/unwilling to vote PX or to vote PX if the opportunity arises.
#98 - Sheeping the NNR wagon.
The end of day activity is whatever.

D2:
#343 - Suddenly, Zakeri vote out of nowhere.
#371 - Sheeping the Zakeri case with some random thing about his own behaviour to fluff it up or some shit.

D3:
Vote Dormio because.

I don't know about you, but this looks like pretty shitty play. Why is it scummy?
Firstly, it reeks of opportunitism. He has not had a single original scumread. Every single case, bar the one on me, he's taken up has been one that other people have been talking about.
And then there's the case, or lack thereof, on me. It's all sorts of "wat", and he still has yet to answer my question about how if me voting for NNR at the end of D1 makes me scum, what does this make Affinity.

[I have no name]

Your vote can be read as more opportunistic/I feel Affinity has had solid content throughout the game.

My Zakeri vote was not out of nowhere, I had been listing him as null to scum up until I voted him.  So sheeping a perfectly valid case, with an additional reason of my own, is scummy why?

I've had internet issues and less time than usual, but have come to similar conclusions as others.  How does this make them unoriginal?  Due to external reasons I show up late to the party, reach the same conclusions off the same posts and see they've already been discussed-exactly like in TD Mafia.

It's kind of hard making cases when you can't even reference the game you know.

I see that a Dormio wagon won't go anywhere and I can't find anything so I will reluctantly ##Unvote.  I still suspect you, but have nothing solid and know that my vote would be wasted there.  I still need to re-read Serela because from what I remember it was just different play but Serela has also cited IRL reasons, still think Shadoweh is probably scum because PX is 5/5 would sheep again.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

My Zakeri vote was not out of nowhere, I had been listing him as null to scum up until I voted him.  So sheeping a perfectly valid case, with an additional reason of my own, is scummy why?

Because you say that you're willing to vote for both Zakeri and Polaris, the two leading wagons. On top of this, you never put any pressure on him whatsoever until other people did first.

[I have no name]

Because you say that you're willing to vote for both Zakeri and Polaris, the two leading wagons. On top of this, you never put any pressure on him whatsoever until other people did first.

I wasn't around until other people were putting pressure on him.  Obviously you have no way of knowing if I'm telling the truth or using that as an excuse, but I honestly wasn't around.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I see that a Dormio wagon won't go anywhere and I can't find anything so I will reluctantly ##Unvote.  I still suspect you, but have nothing solid and know that my vote would be wasted there.

Also, that seemed pretty fast.

[I have no name]

Also, that seemed pretty fast.

1.I read fast
2.

was where I starting reading back through your ISO.

[Conqueror]

Shadoweh: asdfasdgsdf I agree that Serela's meta leans toward him being townish this game but dear god the play.
##Unvote
Anyway, I don't think I'm interested in voting Hero. Nor Shadoweh nor Affinity for that matter.
Not interested in Dormio because if there's anyone on the NNR wagon who deserves credit, it's him for putting NNR at L-1 and thus actual risk of lynch.

PX, why is Shadoweh scum? I feel like at this point you're just tunneling for the sake of it. What defense is Shadoweh supposed to give? She's actually started scumhunting today, so...
IHNN, what reasonable points does PX bring up that you agree with?
Honestly, now that I look back at Day 2 I don't know why IHNN wanted to lynch Polaris. IHNN, could you explain again why Zakeri's post made you unvote in #363? It feels pretty flimsy because his post said almost nothing, and after the unvote you were left with wanting a lynch on Polaris...when you never really explained why.
Want to vote IHNN but three votes already there.
For now, ##Vote PX

[Conqueror]

Also, for PX, why is it that on D2, you were content to attack Shadoweh for half of the day, but then when I ask you for your opinion on Polaris you suddenly whip up a case on him for vote him (while still calling Shadoweh scum for voting him)? What took you so long if you were suspicious all day?

Everybody who established the wagon pretty much LEFT it and EVERYBODY outside of Polaris was just a bandwagon jump onto NNR. How did I not realize this before :\
So yeah, for all you guy pushing the "No scum on NNR", consider this. There is literally no reason why anyone was on the NNR wagon except Polaris.

Would like you to explain how this factored into your view of Polaris, if at all.
Also, on a gut level I don't like how PX on D2 is content to take potshots at Zakeri and shut down Serela's clear of Affinity etc. without giving an opinion on the actual playerslots.

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: My preferred lynch for the day is IHNN > PX, I guess I should say.

[I have no name]

She's actually started scumhunting today, so... If by scumhunting you mean going after an easy target because they've been going after easy targets...because her today is going after me for...having the same views as the majority except Dormio, and defending Dormio.
IHNN, what reasonable points does PX bring up that you agree with?  Will get to this tomorrow
Honestly, now that I look back at Day 2 I don't know why IHNN wanted to lynch Polaris. IHNN, could you explain again why Zakeri's post made you unvote in #363? It feels pretty flimsy because his post said almost nothing, and after the unvote you were left with wanting a lynch on Polaris...when you never really explained why.

My top scum suspects were Polaris and Zakeri, though my reasons for suspecting Zakeri were due to me misinterpreting some of his posts.  His #362 explained what he actually want, which changed my mind.

So: my to do list for tomorrow is re-read the whole game, paying mind to PX, Serela, Hero and Dormio (and I guess Shadoweh because I don't like the way she went after me since by her own logic it's a scummy act but not as much unless we can please flip Dormio and he comes up scum, though for some reason I've noticed I always want to lynch Dormio probably because he's kind of a jerk to me, celebrating my lynch before it even happens)

[Conqueror]

If you really really think Dormio is scum (and apparently from your most recent post you do) then why did you unvote him saying that a wagon on him wasn't getting anywhere when you aren't willing to vote him to start a wagon on him? >_> Why is your vote wasted on someone you think is scum, given the day has just started and wagon viability isn't an issue at all?

[PX]

Not interested in Dormio because if there's anyone on the NNR wagon who deserves credit, it's him for putting NNR at L-1 and thus actual risk of lynch.

Actually, this is not that credible as you think because Polaris already declared he would switch to Shadoweh to secure a lynch before Dormio voted.

As for Shadoweh. D1 she starts off with an okay post on IHNN and vote. And then proceeds to tell people to vote IHNN, call Raikaria's post bad and... finishes by asking Hero to be buddies? Then her next post throws a completely horrible meta post on IHNN and makes a pointless comment on Serela. She's still voting IHNN while ignoring his posts. Which is why you started the wagon on her. Now here, she throws off a rather weak defense against her wagon by throwing a subtle ... uhhh... trying to get you to get off her by implying that last minute wagons never hit scum, thus she's not scum. Which is some sort of logical fallacy that I can't name. Here, she attempts to move people to Raikaria while voting NNR. There are two reasons why this could be a possible bus. First off, the Raikaria wagon was losing steam at the time. If she pushed a town wagon and ended up lynched, then that would almost clear Raikaria by virtue of scum counterwagon. By the same logic, it's also advantageous to vote NNR because she knows it'll land on scum, and if either are lynched then the other can get by on the same cred. Here,  NNR brings up the possibility of a Raikaria lynch as well but realizes the pointlessness of it and votes Shadoweh due to Not me over me. Now, at this point we have 2 confirmed town on the wagon, and Conq reads town to me, so this wagon is started by town. And since I'm town, that means if there is scum on this wagon, it would default to... Serela. So scum had no choice but to resort to double bus. Here she throws out some AtE and tries to get other people to jump on a different wagon again. And then throws out some too late reasons that mean nothing.

(7) NekoNekoRex - Polaris, I have no name, Shadoweh, Hero999, Affinity, Dormio, Raikaria (L-0!)
(5) Shadoweh - Conqueror, WHMZakeri, Serela, PX, NekoNekoRex

These are the wagons at the end of the day, and looking at it, IHNN looks in prime bussing position. And considering how IHNN and Shadoweh acted before, the thought makes sense. And honestly, if you were scum who would you prefer to remain alive, NNR or Shadoweh?

Day 2, here she throws out a shitty defense on circumstances. Rest of the post accounts to a grand total of... nothing. Second post votes Polaris for , and that's pretty much all. Implies that she's following the game, but not posting anything or being involved. Here she throws out pointless town reads on just about everybody. Here she goes "Uhh, I don't like the Zak wagon. Then again the wagon I'm on looks pretty bad so I'll jump on this 4 hour wagon while just arguing on day 1 that 4 hour wagons never hit scum." So uh yeah. Why Shadoweh is scum.

CUT 4 TIMES WHAT?!

Also, for PX, why is it that on D2, you were content to attack Shadoweh for half of the day, but then when I ask you for your opinion on Polaris you suddenly whip up a case on him for vote him (while still calling Shadoweh scum for voting him)? What took you so long if you were suspicious all day?

Well, I was actually away from my laptop and never got much of a chance to read the thread in depth until... halfway through the day.  :\

Would like you to explain how this factored into your view of Polaris, if at all.

That didn't. That came up while I was reading Serela and I pretty much completely got off track from the revelation.

[PX]

Also, on a gut level I don't like how PX on D2 is content to take potshots at Zakeri and shut down Serela's clear of Affinity etc. without giving an opinion on the actual playerslots.

I don't really see how they were potshots at Zakeri.... Skimming the thread 24 hours into the day and noticing that he was the only one to have not posted yet shouldn't really count, and the other post was going against his defense of Polaris, basically pushing my suspect of Polaris, not an attack on Zakeri. I never stated an official opinion on Zakeri, but at this point he's dead so there's not really any point to. As for Affinity, I haven't really read him that much in depth but I don't dislike him that much from what I've read.

[Shadoweh]

When all you have to do is make 1 or 2 derpy statements and get towncleared for it it kind of is >.>
I would have reviewed the D1 wagons but you know internet problems.  Even still if it happened because of Dormio then it's scum-caused scum lynch.
Shadormio scumteam calling it now even though I'm probably wrong

I asked you to do something really simple, point out how the 'derpy statement' sounded fake. I know you didn't have a gut feeling against it because when you corrected them you didn't say anything beyond to stop being dumb. Which also implies that you believved they honestly thought Raikaria was alive, IE it was an honest TOWNIE mistake. Your reasoning for Dormio being scum is because Dormio caused a scum lynch therefore Dormio is scum why do I even have to say how idiotic this sounds? Can you show me what Dormio actually did that was SCUMMY that made you think he was scum, instead of voting him because in an alternate universe where people evolved from cows there is a possibility he was town instead.

PX makes very reasonable points that I agree with except me being scum but I can see where that idea is coming from, my play is pretty lackluster this game.

What are they? You're not allowed to quote anything posted before this post. Go.

Also changing stuff in quotes is kind of bleh because of how quoting a post with quotes in it works.
"She's actually started scumhunting today, so... If by scumhunting you mean going after an easy target because they've been going after easy targets...because her today is going after me for...having the same views as the majority except Dormio, and defending Dormio."
Bullflarping shoosh I'm going after you because your version of views is 'they are because they are' and because you're both trying to erode at what should be a confirmed town read and another soft-cleared read with 'but they COULD be scum!'  Please die. In a fire.

Conq: "Mafia would be an easy game if it were a game of lynch the derpderp." An IHNN/PX scumteam leftover looks pretty good right now actually, but that might just be my instinctive urge to purge the infidels talking.

[Shadoweh]

PX: I'm going to start replying to your cases against me with pictures of butts. DO YOU HAVE ANY REAL READS INSTEAD OF VOTE SHADOWEH?

[PX]

Lol no u go rede my poasts.

Any reason I'm scum to you other than I'm voting you?

[PX]

As for second option, I'm putting IHNN ahead and calling Shadoweh/IHNN team.

[Affinity]

@PX:

First off, the Raikaria wagon was losing steam at the time. If she pushed a town wagon and ended up lynched, then that would almost clear Raikaria by virtue of scum counterwagon. By the same logic, it's also advantageous to vote NNR because she knows it'll land on scum, and if either are lynched then the other can get by on the same cred.

Why doesn't the 'push a town wagon on Ralkaria' point apply to Shadoweh (who is by all definition a scum counterwagon)?  It sounds like spinning explanations from your point of view rather than what really happened.

Here she throws out some AtE and tries to get other people to jump on a different wagon again. And then throws out some too late reasons that mean nothing.

With all this 'scum trying to do things' one could start a charity.  If a few pithy words can move a playerbase onto another wagon, I could have ran for President and moved mountains as I made my first forays into the English Language.

[Affinity]

Actually, on rereading, I do agree with Conq; PX has had too narrow a range of opinions since D2.  While his Shadoweh suspicion was entertain-able early D2, I think it has become increasingly vacuous over the days, with Shadoweh gaining in content he seems eager to disprove, and the above treatise on Scum Psychology feels a bit silly. 

Even discounting this, I take issue with his Polaris vote on D2, where he suddenly has the wisdom to make his vote useful here, putting Conq's reasons under a 'holy shit' filter, more or less.  The thing here is that this vote seems completely incongruous with his position that both Shadoweh and NNR are scum.  When he accuses Polaris as "... completely discounting one possibility (that there were no scum on the NNR wagon) to push the other", doesn't PX find it strange that he had done exactly the same in pushing for a Shadoweh lynch?  I get the feeling that this moment of insight by him was ill-intentioned, getting on Polaris to make numbers all of a sudden, and this more so as he has gone back to voting for Shadoweh again today (for which there is no support other than IHNN).

There was also a feeling of something missing on D2, which was that, for all his unique position on D1 wagons and his burning message, he had made absolutely no effort to convince anyone of his view until recently  Compare Conq, me and Polaris on D2, who seemed to argue tooth and nail on how  the end of D1 went, and PX seemed to take to the background, snarking that everyone was clearing Shadoweh 'based on circumstance', using one's arguments to vote the other. 

Thusly, with all of this combined, I think PX is using Shadoweh as some sort of vote pivot, and is scum.  That switch from NNR to Shadoweh at the end of D1 can be lumped together with the above as well.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

Not that I have thought that IHNN's vote on Dormio, Dormio's subsequent vote on IHNN, Serela's vote on Hero, or Hero's whatever have made them any better.  Let's just say that I'm somewhat convinced that they are genuine clueless, blighted or lazy town.  Nameless is still second priority though.

I do think Conq has been cool these two days.

[Shadoweh]

Lol no u go rede my poasts.

Any reason I'm scum to you other than I'm voting you?

It could be because you have yet to answer my question over two days. Except to throw the person I'm pushing a case on as my scumpartner? I know I like driving the bus but come the smurf on here.

[Serela]

I wake up and see that hero completely ignored the case I made on him, said absolutely nothing of importance (including didn't vote, state who he thinks is scum or even town, etc), and left

:I

##Vote Hero999 Again

_{(no that's not actually some role power)}

Also Dormio why are you asking me how I feel about Zakeri when he's dead, I'm not completely incoherent (I even went to sleep at midnight at woke up at 8am today! OH MY GOD)

It is way too early for me to do more then skim the entire page that popped up, especially since half of it seems somewhat silly. Now that I actually feel like I'm thinking properly for once though, gonna say that Conq definitely isn't as scummy as some other people out here. ...but since I've only just come around I have to end up kind of reorganizing my reads :T Affinity is still town. Dormio hardbussed NNR but I otherwise don't kind of like him; it's still realistically town!Dormio though (Who I've noticed tends to often look like a scummy read) and there was the hardbussing so he's not worth seriously pursuing at present over other targets. Shadoweh is starting to look like an actual kind of townie instead of just being Clear Because D1, although I'll have to go over all this stuff PX is saying to make sure.  (Also because PX may or may not be scum so)

That leaves IHNN and PX, both of which I have to reread, but neither of which are a town read beforehand; and even when I was half out of my mind D2, I was saying I didn't really like what PX was saying, even if I didn't particularly think he was scum then for some reason I'll probably see when I'm rereading later. (Also, I'm starting work today at 4pm EST, so I'm gonna be kind of busy at times. I kind of procrastinated on stuff like watching the videos their website gave me, and collecting/doing some other stuff I need to prepare :T)

still 100% loving the idea of Hero lynch tho

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also Dormio why are you asking me how I feel about Zakeri when he's dead, I'm not completely incoherent (I even went to sleep at midnight at woke up at 8am today! OH MY GOD)

...
Fuck everything.

[Serela]

I mean, I could see if he was the NK, but he was yesterday's lynch... :V

[Hero999]

Goddamit not that I had Internet it jut refreshed all of a sudden after habitually clicking preview with no Internet.

@Serela: and what exactly did you want from me again Serela? Off the top of my head everything you said in that post had nothing for me to answer for you.

Anyways to keep things simple for my opinions on the PX and IHNN things.
IHNN had pass due to replacement attempt.
PX had passes for activity. Affinity brings good point about PX.

@Dormio: I hope it doesn't, become commonplace for you to forget who died. First it was the night kill, then the lynch, next is who? :V