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That Moon thread that someone had to start
« on: September 23, 2012, 03:38:34 PM »
Let's see if I got this: lunarians are (or inspired) shintoist gods, with Tsukuyomi being ze bigboss, and his nobz being Omoikane, the Dragon God (probably the head of the Watatsuki clan), and probably some other people I don't know or don't care about. On the other hand, Chang'E, who's mentioned briefly in SSiB, is taoist (and Chinese), and is apparently locked somewhere on the Moon. There's apparently some disturbing and disgusting relation between Chang'E and the moon rabbits, but nothing about that is said in Touhou, so I'm just going to assume that it never happened, like I did when I heard that Armstrong died, and that's beside the point and completely unrelated.

So, the thing is, Kaguya apparently got banned from the Moon for drinking/assisting Eirin into creating the Hourai soda, while Eirin walked away quietly. Later (I assume it's later, otherwise it would mean that Kaguya wasn't needed to craft an immortality elixir -assuming of course that the Hourai soda indeed makes people immortal-), Chang'E drinks her elixir and her husband's too, and she ascend to godhood. And also to the Moon, where she's locked up for some undefined reason (me thinks it's because she's taoist, but there's a slight chance of her being unkillable had something to do with that decision). And after that, Eirin comes back to Earth to say to Kaguya that her ban is lifted and that she can rejoin the Moon, but then she decides otherwise, and gives one more Hourai soda to the Emperor who decided, in an emo rage, to throw it in a volcano. After that, Mokou finds it, and stuff happens.

So, the question is, since Kaguya was forgiven by the Moon for creating the Hourai soda, it basically means that creating that soda was a crime, right? And if it's a crime to create it, then why giving it to an inferior carbon-based lifeform instead of throwing it in a bin or something like that? And one last thing; it's been a while since Kaguya was forgiven, so why is Chang'E still in jail? And what's her crime to begin with? And how old is the Captain Jack Harkness? And why would you throw away immortality when it's given to you?

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 03:39:47 PM »
Then who was Apollo 13?
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 03:47:08 PM »
What an evil person, trying to derail the thread before it even started...

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 03:57:23 PM »
Still can't really understand how Captain Jack lost his immortality on Miracle Day, considering it's a product of the Time Vortex and should be a perma thing.  Maybe I didn't watch it properly.
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 04:47:51 PM »
To my knowledge, ZUN was very, very drunk when he wrote the plot to Imperishable Night, so my guess is that ever since then, he's been trying to write himself out of the holes that he created from that inebriated stupor of his...

Having read Silent Sinner in Blue, however, I can safely say that I don't care much about it, though, since the Watatsuki sisters, who consist of a literal walking deus ex machina and a haughty cur, happen to be the only two characters in the entire Touhou universe that I absolutely despise, with the only redeemable aspect about them, in my mind, is that I happen to like their character designs. With that being said, I can safely say that I hope that ZUN doesn't decide to ever venture back to the Moon any time soon, since that inevitably means that we will be running into them again~ :wat:

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 04:59:47 PM »
With that being said, I can safely say that I hope that ZUN doesn't decide to ever venture back to the Moon any time soon, since that inevitably means that we will be running into them again~ :wat:

Wouldn't bet on it.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 05:10:32 PM »
To my knowledge, ZUN was very, very drunk when he wrote the plot to Imperishable Night, so my guess is that ever since then, he's been trying to write himself out of the holes that he created from that inebriated stupor of his...

Personally, I loved what ZUN did with Imperishable Night. The story on which it's based - the Bamboo Cutter's Daughter - is a classic and all, but the ending is really unsatisfying. There's no real reason given for why a baby appeared in a stalk of bamboo in the first place, and when the Lunarians come to fetch her, she's just "lol bye every1" and that's it.

In Imperishable Night, however, we have a classic element of the "forbidden fruit" which leads to Kaguya's exile. When all is forgiven and Lunarians come to fetch her, Kaguya displays real human emotion (unlike the other fictional character on which she's based), by expressing attachment to her human world. As does Eirin, for the matter, who feels guilty for her part in all this, and decides to help her friend.

To my mind, IN makes a lot more sense than the myth from which it's derived.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2012, 05:28:45 PM »
Aaaaaand I lost everything I wrote. Rewriting the same crap twice is my hobby. It's like eating shattered glass, or listening to my sister's favourite song, it's wonderful.

To my knowledge, ZUN was very, very drunk when he wrote the plot to Imperishable Night, so my guess is that ever since then, he's been trying to write himself out of the holes that he created from that inebriated stupor of his...

Having read Silent Sinner in Blue, however, I can safely say that I don't care much about it, though, since the Watatsuki sisters, who consist of a literal walking deus ex machina and a haughty cur, happen to be the only two characters in the entire Touhou universe that I absolutely despise, with the only redeemable aspect about them, in my mind, is that I happen to like their character designs. With that being said, I can safely say that I hope that ZUN doesn't decide to ever venture back to the Moon any time soon, since that inevitably means that we will be running into them again~ :wat:

To answer B2WL's claims about ZUN being drunk while writing his games, I'm just going to put on my fake beard, my fawkes mask, and I'll pretend being awesome and know more than him about ZUN. Except I won't, so let's not.
While ZUN is probably drunk when he's writing the dialogues, I for one happen to think that, maybe, there's a slight possibility that he might not be drunk while looking for materials. Wild and Horny Hermit has some interesting stuff about nuclear fusion, and SSiB is filled with references to the moon, scientifically and religiously speaking, and you can't be a scientist when you're drunk. You can be a philosopher, but not a scientist. Trust me, I tried. I managed to prove that a buttered cat doesn't fly. I also managed to prove that same cat hated butter. And I proved that cats are elastic enough to scratch your face even throught you're throwing them through the window. Next time I'm drunk, I'll try to stretch one, just to prove my point.

Anyway, about ZUN and beer, I'm willing to bet that he has a basic idea of what he was doing when he wrote SSiB's script, so you can't ignore it because "he wus compelety drunk". And about beer, well, it's delicious when NOT mixed with coca. Trust me, I tried that too.

And about 2BWL's claim of disliking the Watatsukis, well, there's nothing I can do about that, except recommanding electroshock therapy. And also, let it be known that if someone wants to jump in this thread to say something stupid like "I was passing by, I saw a light, thought I'd come and say I hate them too, kthxbye", I'm still looking for brains, to make a pie. A delicious pie. With cheese. Mmm, cheese. Everyone like cheese. The moon is like a giant cheese hanging in the sky.


Personally, I loved what ZUN did with Imperishable Night. The story on which it's based - the Bamboo Cutter's Daughter - is a classic and all, but the ending is really unsatisfying. There's no real reason given for why a baby appeared in a stalk of bamboo in the first place, and when the Lunarians come to fetch her, she's just "lol bye every1" and that's it.

In Imperishable Night, however, we have a classic element of the "forbidden fruit" which leads to Kaguya's exile. When all is forgiven and Lunarians come to fetch her, Kaguya displays real human emotion (unlike the other fictional character on which she's based), by expressing attachment to her human world. As does Eirin, for the matter, who feels guilty for her part in all this, and decides to help her friend.

To my mind, IN makes a lot more sense than the myth from which it's derived.

Seriously?! I like IN too! Let's make a fanclub! Wait- Actually, nevermind.
And well, yes, Imperistamble Nacht makes more sense than the real legend (I'm willing to bet that the original legend was in fact a story about how immortality sucks and how you should be happy to be a lowly pleb working for your overlord and being whipped on a daily basis), but it's still hard to take it seriously, as the morale of the story is hidden under THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BULLETS and a horseshitload of humiliating and fiery deaths.
But something is pestering me about your post, namely, Kaguya's "real human emotion unlike the other fictional character on which she's based". As far as I remember, in other words, not much, given that I reinstalled Oblivion and became Sheggorath while laughing manically in front of my screen, the original Kaguya displayed some regret too when she was forced to leave the Earth, and it's why she gave them immortality elixirs.
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2012, 06:19:19 PM »
I may have missed this somewhere, but...
What would happen if someone corrupted the moon?

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2012, 06:23:45 PM »
Just wanted to say I like the Watatsuki's designs but really wish there was more info on them.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2012, 06:33:38 PM »
I may have missed this somewhere, but...
What would happen if someone corrupted the moon?

It's something you have to decide for yourself.
Some say that all lunarian will turn into humans, others are saying that it won't do anything (since Eirin is still around despite being old venerable as fuck), and others are saying "whatever, let's get tacos, they're 50% off today", and it usually ends the discussion, since everybody love tacos.

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 07:01:23 PM »
Is this just a thread for randomness? ???

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 07:59:17 PM »
WELP NEVER LOOKING AT KASEN THE SAME WAY AGAIN. :getdown:
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Is this just a thread for randomness? ???
what is randomness but an orb of lunar cheese

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 08:01:41 PM »
Is this just a thread for randomness? ???
No. No, it's not. It's supposed to be about the Lunarians in general and the Watatsukis in particular, and it would be really swell if people could stop derailing this thread at the first opportunity.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2012, 08:51:37 PM »
I think the purity of the moon is entirely symbolic, In SSiB when Reimu channeled the God of Impurity agaisnt Yorihime she seemed almost compelled to destroy every attack beforeit reached the surgace. Despite the fact that she would have been the only one to know who actually gave a damn.
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 11:46:07 PM »
And well, yes, Imperistamble Nacht makes more sense than the real legend (I'm willing to bet that the original legend was in fact a story about how immortality sucks and how you should be happy to be a lowly pleb working for your overlord and being whipped on a daily basis), but it's still hard to take it seriously, as the morale of the story is hidden under THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF BULLETS and a horseshitload of humiliating and fiery deaths.
But something is pestering me about your post, namely, Kaguya's "real human emotion unlike the other fictional character on which she's based". As far as I remember, in other words, not much, given that I reinstalled Oblivion and became Sheggorath while laughing manically in front of my screen, the original Kaguya displayed some regret too when she was forced to leave the Earth, and it's why she gave them immortality elixirs.

Personally, this is how I think it went down - bearing in mind this is pure speculation on my part - based on what we already know. The gaps I'm filling in are pure fiction.

With that in mind:
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She had Eirin make the Hourai Elixir - a forbidden medicine - out of self-interest and consumed it. The crime was soon discovered and Kaguya was executed for it. However, Kaguya held the power of eternity, so she reincarnated immediately after each execution and wouldn't die permanently. Instead of killing her repeatedly, she was exiled to Earth and forced to live among filthy humans as punishment.*

That is some genuinely evil shit right there. Can you imagine being repeatedly executed? How painful that would be? I honestly can't imagine a worse torture, physically or psychologically, than that.

I think Kaguya didn't just "grow to love" life on Earth. She probably had been so traumatized by this event that she saw the Lunarians as homocidal monsters.
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Kaguya remembered her past. A past of innocence. A life of living with humans. A memory of murdering emissaries and going into hiding.

This underlines the horribleness of what she went through. Eirin and Kaguya have never since literally murdered anyone. But I think Eirin was the one who did the actual killing:
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It was then that she found a familiar face among the emissaries from the moon. It was Eirin. Eirin felt very sorry for Kaguya because she wasn't punished even though she was the one who made the elixir. Her desire for redemption was so strong that she was ready to do anything for Kaguya, so she decided to live on Earth with Kaguya. Eirin betrayed the other emissaries and helped Kaguya escape.

The emphasized word here is, in Japanese, 裏切り, a word that can imply treachery, and even treason. Murder is a treasonous act. And look at how Eirin's mental state is described here. She not only witnessed the horror of what Kaguya went through, she also has the addition of guilt, for being the one who made the Elixir in the first place. And she likely, too, has now a drastically different opinion of other Lunarians. She doesn't just want to help her friend escape; she wants to "redeem" herself. She has to do it. Why else would she go along for this relatively simple mission? Murder would be a likely way to do that, not to mention - logistically speaking - a great way to ensure that they won't be returning to the Moon to report on matters any time soon, giving them a great head start.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2012, 01:36:32 AM »
OMGWTFEIENTEI

Well I'd just like to say:

A) The Eientei cast are certifiably metal as fuck in my eyes now.

B) They also need a hug. ;__;

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So what's Udongein's deal, then?

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2012, 01:59:34 AM »
In Touhou universe, Chang'E's ascension took place 4000 years ago, before Kaguya's crime. Which means Kaguya and Eirin aren't the only people who can make the immortality elixir.

In real life:
-The earliest source for Chang'E is from 2th century BC. The source is Taoist, as Taoism is the prevailing philosophy of that era.
-The Taoism religion does venerate Chang'E as a goddess, but this doesn't necessarily makes Chang'E herself a Taoist, because...
-The story itself takes place in prehistorical China.
-Both Chang'E and her husband are based on genuinely ancient (prehistorical) mythologies.

My personal theory is, the "lunar capital has forgiven Kaguya" part has been retconned - in CiLR, Eirin no longer mentions this. Judging by SSiB/CiLR, especially by Chang'E's 4000-years-and-counting punishment, the the lunar capital would never forgive anyone who took the elixir.

Of course the problem with this idea is, if Kaguya would still face imprisonment in the lunar capital, that alone would be sufficient motivation for her to stay on earth, thus completely destroying the emotional element of IN. Her attatchment to earth only means something when her other choice is returning to her former life of glory and luxury, not life as a prisoner. Then again, I do believe SSiB/CiLR messed up IN's story in important ways.
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 04:30:33 AM »
With that in mind:
That is some genuinely evil shit right there. Can you imagine being repeatedly executed? How painful that would be? I honestly can't imagine a worse torture, physically or psychologically, than that.
Boah, there are many ways to kill someone, at least she wasn't Mary, Queen of Scots, or William Wallace. Those two had nasty deaths. Mary Stuart was beheaded after several tries, and William Wallace was hanged, drawn, quartered, castrated, eviscerated, and his bowels were burned in front of him. And after that, he got beheaded.
I'm sure that the lunarians aren't as horrible as that.

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The emphasized word here is, in Japanese, 裏切り, a word that can imply treachery, and even treason. Murder is a treasonous act. And look at how Eirin's mental state is described here. She not only witnessed the horror of what Kaguya went through, she also has the addition of guilt, for being the one who made the Elixir in the first place. And she likely, too, has now a drastically different opinion of other Lunarians. She doesn't just want to help her friend escape; she wants to "redeem" herself. She has to do it. Why else would she go along for this relatively simple mission? Murder would be a likely way to do that, not to mention - logistically speaking - a great way to ensure that they won't be returning to the Moon to report on matters any time soon, giving them a great head start.
That sounds like something nasty indeed. Watching your partner in crime getting killed on a daily basis while you're walking away with just a slap on the wrist? I could probably do that without having any remorse, but I don't have any partner in crime, I'm always alone when I'm making drugs.

In Touhou universe, Chang'E's ascension took place 4000 years ago, before Kaguya's crime. Which means Kaguya and Eirin aren't the only people who can make the immortality elixir.
And that is not simplifying things. I don't even want to know how the guy who invented Chang'E's elixir got executed, but it was probably nasty, involving a butter knife, a plank, some rope, bees, and a large axe.

My personal theory is, the "lunar capital has forgiven Kaguya" part has been retconned - in CiLR, Eirin no longer mentions this. Judging by SSiB/CiLR, especially by Chang'E's 4000-years-and-counting punishment, the the lunar capital would never forgive anyone who took the elixir.
But I heard from my little finger that Kaguya never took the immortality soda, and just helped Eirin to make it. Was my little finger lying? Do I need to CUT HIM DOWN AND EAT IT with some french wine and some cheese?
EDIT: Actually, nevermind, she apparently did. and apparently, Eirin did too. Even in the Moon, being famous allows you to walk free from trouble, that means that Eirin is basically the Lunar Capital's Paris Hilton.
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 04:50:18 AM »
Wow. I never knew much about Kaguya and Eirin's past.The things Kaguya had to go through.... Just wow.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2012, 04:50:53 AM »
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But I heard from my little finger that Kaguya never took the immortality soda, and just helped Eirin to make it.
You probably heard it from me. I first posted about it here, along with the theory that it has been retconned in SSiB/CiLR.

For interesting trivia, the first semi-canon source that mentions Kaguya taking the elixir is the appendix to the EaLND manga tankoubon (published in Jan 2007), which as I said a few times, is infamous for being sloppily written and edited, and totally not written by ZUN. The publisher issued a page of errata supervised by ZUN. It corrected many mistakes, yet didn't change Kaguya's profile. Perhaps this is the silent confirmation that ZUN already had the retcon in mind by then.
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2012, 05:18:53 AM »
You probably heard it from me. I first posted about it here, along with the theory that it has been retconned in SSiB/CiLR.

For interesting trivia, the first semi-canon source that mentions Kaguya taking the elixir is the appendix to the EaLND manga tankoubon (published in Jan 2007), which as I said a few times, is infamous for being sloppily written and edited, and totally not written by ZUN. The publisher issued a page of errata supervised by ZUN. It corrected many mistakes, yet didn't change Kaguya's profile. Perhaps this is the silent confirmation that ZUN already had the retcon in mind by then.

CUTTING TIME THEN. AND AFTER THAT, FONDUE! I'll cut you in pieces and throw them in cheese. Mmmm, cheese.
But seriously, how am I supposed to take touhou seriously if it's retconned? It's already complicated to follow ZUN, if he starts editing things as he wants, that won't do.
Whatever, I just decided that the Watatsukis were nice and cool and didn't had anything to do with Kaguya being killed 3 times a day, and that whoever doesn't think the same is a heretic and should be toasted, covered in nutella, and eaten by a bunch of rabbits.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2012, 05:27:46 AM »
It seems Eirin's killing spree might not have ended with the Lunarian emissaries:
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Long ago, Eirin was one of a party of messengers who were sent to bring Kaguya back to the moon; the crime for which she was exiled to Earth had been forgiven. For some reason, she helped Kaguya kill all the other messengers instead. To ensure that the earthlings who lived with Kaguya would remain silent, she bribed them with the Hourai Elixir. The elixir had the power to make people immortal. None of those earthlings consumed the elixir, however, and died shortly afterwards. It was later discovered that they were murdered.*

Jesus Christ she will stop at nothing.

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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2012, 05:58:14 AM »
Boah, there are many ways to kill someone, at least she wasn't Mary, Queen of Scots, or William Wallace. Those two had nasty deaths. Mary Stuart was beheaded after several tries, and William Wallace was hanged, drawn, quartered, castrated, eviscerated, and his bowels were burned in front of him. And after that, he got beheaded.
I'm sure that the lunarians aren't as horrible as that.
What do you think they use, lethal injection? A several thousand foot drop? Flaying? (more torture than execution but eh)

...Actually firing squad seems most likely, if Reisen is anything to go by.

Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 06:50:46 AM »
Hadouken powered by love, 'natch.

That, or Hourai Elixir suppository (like readin' a spell backwards!).


Or maybe they'd just give you a lecture on how their execution methods are much purer. (NSFW due to gore. Also, kinda loud)
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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2012, 10:01:19 AM »
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Boah, there are many ways to kill someone, at least she wasn't Mary, Queen of Scots, or William Wallace. Those two had nasty deaths. Mary Stuart was beheaded after several tries, and William Wallace was hanged, drawn, quartered, castrated, eviscerated, and his bowels were burned in front of him. And after that, he got beheaded.
I'm sure that the lunarians aren't as horrible as that.

Well, Lunarian technology is more advanced than human technology, so who knows what inventive ways they could think up to execute Kaguya.

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That sounds like something nasty indeed. Watching your partner in crime getting killed on a daily basis while you're walking away with just a slap on the wrist? I could probably do that without having any remorse, but I don't have any partner in crime, I'm always alone when I'm making drugs.

Eirin's too important to the moon, so she walks free, without a slap on the wrist. She's one of the original founders of the moon or something.

@retcon of Kaguya's profile: Just remember that is just a theory. That implies that it can be argued for or against.

@Eirin's personality: Eirin doesn't care too much about humans back in the day, so killing humans is like killing cattle, no big deal.

@Chang'e: I don't quite remember her story in Touhou. I thought she did not drink all 3 drops of the elixir or something and they(the moon rabbits) are still making the elixir for her.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2012, 05:10:50 PM »
The part about the moon rabbits is another multi-layered reference. Read the Wikipedia article on "moon rabbit": it's short but informative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rabbit

Basically:
The Chinese legend of a rabbit in the moon pounding herbs existed as early as 4th century BC;
When the legend spread to Korea and Japan, it instead becomes a rabbit pounding rice for rice cakes;
Later Chinese folklore would give the rabbit the role of Chang'E's companion, and the herbs become the elixir. Because the moon palace is a lonely place which immediately made Chang'E regret taking the elixir, it would be too sad for Chang'E to be all alone. (Chang'E has other companions too, but they haven't showed up in Touhou.)
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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2012, 05:34:33 PM »
Well, Lunarian technology is more advanced than human technology, so who knows what inventive ways they could think up to execute Kaguya.

Except ONE small thing that you all disregarded.
In Cage in Lunatic Runagate (last chapter), when Reimu's absurdly brutal and horrible punishment is being described,  one of the Watatsuki sisters (either the nice ponytailed one or the crazy tech-maniac one) says the following:
"It's the best way to show that you are able to summon the gods. We don't like killing here so it's the most serious punishment you will receive. Once you've finished, you may return to Earth."

So either the Lunar Capital's politic about killing changed when Kaguya was called back to the moon, or they never liked killing to begin with. And I can't decide between those two, because they're lunarians, aka ageless gods, so they might have trouble changing and adapting, but on another hand, their technology is described as "extremely advanced" and "still improving".

TL;DR: Tsukuyomi loved playing "I can't decide~whether you should live or die~" with Kaguya, ? la Master.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2012, 08:19:07 PM »
If anything, they don't like killing and executions are for more serious offenses, like Kaguya's.

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Re: That Moon thread that someone had to start
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2012, 08:38:04 PM »
"It's the best way to show that you are able to summon the gods. We don't like killing here so it's the most serious punishment you will receive. Once you've finished, you may return to Earth."

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