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Ikari

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #480 on: September 28, 2012, 03:47:27 AM »
Oh that's what you meant. Whoops.

...Oh, that's what you meant. Yeah, I was quoting an imaginary Seiga fan. Which isn't so imaginary, considering I've argued countless time over ''Seiga is totally not evil!'', everything trying to point out that she is >_>

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« Reply #481 on: September 28, 2012, 04:15:35 AM »

Ikari

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« Reply #482 on: September 28, 2012, 04:17:05 AM »
Costumes Swaps!

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This is so adorable and amazing. :*

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« Reply #483 on: September 28, 2012, 04:25:08 AM »
On that note, more Alice being Gensokyo's resident fashion guru.

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« Reply #484 on: September 28, 2012, 04:41:44 AM »
I wanna see more hair makeover Sakuya

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« Reply #485 on: September 28, 2012, 04:44:54 AM »
Right? That's exactly why it kinda annoys me when people try to make Seiga ''a good girl''. She couldn't be more proud of being a wicked hermit, it's not even remotely ambiguous.

To be fair, she could have written "Wicked Hermit" on her business card, but she didn't.

Ikari

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #486 on: September 28, 2012, 04:55:02 AM »
I want more of the Rinnosuke from Touhou Tag Dream.

The one that gets random ''INSPIRATION!!!'' and makes awesome costumes in less than a nano-second. That Rin-Rin is a glorious Rin-Rin.

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« Reply #487 on: September 28, 2012, 06:24:25 PM »


I guess this now needs an update that includes Wild and Horny Hermit and Faily Wars.

(Don't get me wrong, I love Aya with wings too, but...)

I guess this is kind of old, but I just noticed that Aya and Hatate both have wings on the cover of SoPM. Well, the inside flap of the book jacket anyway.

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« Reply #488 on: September 28, 2012, 06:45:19 PM »
i want more rin in the art

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« Reply #489 on: September 28, 2012, 08:26:02 PM »
now that I've thought about it, one of the things I want to see more is Ran with a personality outside of the rest of the Yakumo clan; most of the time her character is tied to Yukari and/or Chen and I think we don't see enough characteristics of her own.

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« Reply #490 on: September 28, 2012, 09:23:26 PM »
I guess this is kind of old, but I just noticed that Aya and Hatate both have wings on the cover of SoPM. Well, the inside flap of the book jacket anyway.
Mind pointing it out? Because I can't find it on the wiki.

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« Reply #491 on: September 28, 2012, 09:58:16 PM »

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« Reply #492 on: September 28, 2012, 10:31:48 PM »
This is exactly what I would like to see too. I know it's been done in writing before (by you if by no one else, Ammy), so I would love to see this done in doujin form, in particular.

For those curious, this is what Ruro's talking about (NSFW, by the way). I wrote this pretty much due to a discussion that started in the off-topic forum about Touhou yuri. Basically, a lot of people weren't getting the difference between porn and erotica - unfortunate, but you can hardly blame folks when most Touhou yuri is straight-up porn. So I decided to write a story demonstrating what erotica, as opposed to porn, is. As an added bonus, I also decided to use a pairing I hadn't seen before or since (though I'm sure it exists elsewhere).

In essence, the difference between the two is that in porn, the story is just filler placed around sex scenes, which describe the physical mechanics of the act. In erotica, the sex is a part of the story, and places greater focus on what's going on inside the minds of those involved during the act.

I haven't written any Touhou erotica before (unless you count the story about Cirno and the table corner) or since, but I might do.

On that note, I agree with Ruro that I would really love to see more complex relationships between the girls - crushes, girlfriends, drinking buddies, spouses - that reflects a wider spectrum than simply allies, enemies, and booty calls.

"Human history and growth are both linked closely to strife. Without conflict, humanity would have no impetus for growth. When humans are satisfied with their present condition, they may as well give up on life."

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« Reply #493 on: September 28, 2012, 10:39:25 PM »
unless you count the story about Cirno and the table corner

wutdafuq

Ikari

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #494 on: September 28, 2012, 10:59:08 PM »
wutdafuq

Oh wow, I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

I would really love to see more complex relationships between the girls - crushes, girlfriends, drinking buddies, spouses - that reflects a wider spectrum than simply allies, enemies, and booty calls.

I completely agree, even if it screws up the whole ''Nobody is classified as something else than Ally Who You'll Fight, Enemy You Will Drink Tea With and Random Encounter.'' canon thing, it can only do good to use different types of relationships.

Tengukami

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« Reply #495 on: September 28, 2012, 11:12:07 PM »
wutdafuq

Oh wow, I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

Here you go (again, NSFW). This story was inspired by the image you see with the story, which someone on IRC posted. Suikama made a VN version of the story, too. Fun times.

This is also part of what others have brought up about Cirno - that she isn't stupid so much as childish, incurious and overconfident. I love these depictions so much more than "duhhh Cirno is so stupid omg look she's trying to eat a tablecloth lol stoopid fairy".

"Human history and growth are both linked closely to strife. Without conflict, humanity would have no impetus for growth. When humans are satisfied with their present condition, they may as well give up on life."

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« Reply #496 on: September 29, 2012, 12:27:30 AM »
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Hahaha this is brilliant. Only issue it leaves in my head is marisa gave cirno 'A' broom which she used and now shes gonna go show mystia... Its probably gonna work its way around the whole 9 team. And then gensokyo is going to need anti STD campaigns about not sharing your broomstick.
This comment is the best.

I'm gonna go read more of your stories, Ammy. They're well written.

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« Reply #497 on: September 29, 2012, 01:04:03 AM »
Here you go (again, NSFW). This story was inspired by the image you see with the story, which someone on IRC posted. Suikama made a VN version of the story, too. Fun times.

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DAT FACIAL EXPRESSION. :colonveeplusalpha:

Mr. Tengukami, I cannot tell whether you're brilliant or just insane/scary at times.

EDIT: DAT REIMUFACE. :getdown:
« Last Edit: September 29, 2012, 01:07:45 AM by Hinaface Hinaface Hinaface »

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #498 on: September 29, 2012, 02:42:53 AM »
Rad, now I can add it to my chart! BAiJR was getting lonely.

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #499 on: September 29, 2012, 04:13:31 PM »
- Utsuho being a silly birdbrain, and being adorable.
How about this or this?
There's also the thing in the following link but it's definitively [nsfw]http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=21303496[/nsfw] for visible reason (although no nudity). ^^;;;
Still, it might fit what you're looing for.

I just laughed at how extreme the changes to her attacks were.

In MoF, we got forgotten rituals to summon the strength of her gods and create miracles! With star-shaped BS danmaku! That was epic.

In SA, we get RICE! And FRUITS! And THE ALPHABET! (Which instantly makes be think of soup)

So regarding the topic, I'd love to see Sanae's sudden obsession with food explained. (Maybe she got on a diet and went insane?)

Maybe it's related to sacrifices for the gods? Just a guess here.


I swear, after clearing all scenarios in a single day (personal challenge), I started to talk like Yukari.

Friend calling on the phone: So what are you doing?

Me: As the silver spoon is going through a river of gold, silly you, can't you see the ground is like a cloud?

Friend: ...What is wrong with you?

Me: I DON'T KNOW!

*actual real life moment*

Awesome! X D

Personally I'd like to see some delinquent Chen. I'm not sure why it's become standard to think of her as adorable and helpless when her character design and role kind of imply that she's a rebellious stray who doesn't like following orders. She's the rascally kid her doesn't listen to her "parents", or when she does she follows the letter but not the spirit. She's the stray cat who comes back to the house just to eat your food and then disappears again. Well, that's just the image of her I have in my head after playing the games and reading the stuff, so I'd like to see that pop up in the fandom every so often.

Maybe you would like this, this or this? Maybe not? X D
Also, while not delinquent, perhaps you would like that Chen.

I'm now sure some fans will make some sort of crazy insane conspiracy on how Yoshika is Meiling's lost sister/mother/Meiling herself who died and that it explains the similarities.

There's a tag at pixiv called "3ボス中華系" (roughly, "Third boss China group) that designate the Yoshika and Meiling duo.
Perhaps something like that will come up eventually.

Costumes Swaps!

Look at this, this and this. ^^
Actually, at pixiv, there is the "衣装チェンジ" tag (Clothe change).
If you pair it with the touhou tag, you might be able to find stuff that you like. ^^

Anyway, enough comments on what other have posted.
Those are narrow stuff but, among the things I would like to see done are
Yukari using that thing : P
and Tewi using the Usagi Dama! Bonus points if Reisen is there too! : P

You can wish for anything!

Ikari

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #500 on: September 29, 2012, 04:26:27 PM »
this?

That picture went from nice to awesome when I noticed the gap-bath.

Speaking of which, more Yukari gap shenanigans! They're always hilarious... To me at least.

Alfred F. Jones

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #501 on: October 01, 2012, 02:25:14 AM »
After talking with Matsy today, I have come to realize there is one thing I'd like to see more of in fandom: hostile Komeiji sisters, much more irritable towards each other than they are in canon, and trading insults back and forth.

Ikari

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #502 on: October 01, 2012, 02:32:41 AM »
After talking with Matsy today, I have come to realize there is one thing I'd like to see more of in fandom: hostile Komeiji sisters, much more irritable towards each other than they are in canon, and trading insults back and forth.

*opens mouth to object*

Wait... That would be absolutely awesome. :o Unconventional, but very original.

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« Reply #503 on: October 01, 2012, 02:37:39 AM »
I'd kinda like to see more fangames like the Ace Attorney series. Aside from the two or three we already have out there.
Preferably with other protagonists than just Aya. Maybe an Investigations spinoff with Remi and Sakuya as the leads.
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« Reply #504 on: October 01, 2012, 06:41:50 PM »
I wish there were more Touhou, Kuroshitsuji crossovers.

OkashiiKisei

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #505 on: October 01, 2012, 10:21:08 PM »
What I'd like to see more in Touhou fan works:

- The inhuman/monstrous side of Touhou characters. Remember that the vast majority of Touhou characters are, you know, monsters and demons. They're not like you and I. They're not human at all. They're supposed to mysterious, eerie and alien. And it is this supernatural, beastly side that absolutely captivates me.
I take great enjoyment out of Touhou characters showing off monstrous, 'true' forms, using 'freaky powers' related to their species and abilities, exhibiting animalistic character traits and tics alongside their human ones and exploiting their innocent/alluring human guise to lure in victims. I love it when artists and writers point out how unearthly youkai act compared to humans, how their appearance is so unnatural (e.g. something off about their looks, beautiful to an impossible degree). I'd also love to see what goes through a youkai's mind when it sees a human. Is it curious? Is it indifferent? Is it smug? Or is it ravenously hungry?

We see a lot of the civilized youkai in works, but little of the true feral youkai. I'd love to read how a youkai slowly develops both physically and mentally from a man-eating, feral monster into an intelligent, whimsical, psuedo-human. There's tons of origin stories for the SDM, the Yakumos, the Moriyas, the Myourens etc. but there are so few on the smaller characters, like Wriggle or Letty. How did they come into being, and how did they grow into what they are today? What lessons did they have to learn to become more than just animals, and how?


- Linked with the above, more stories of humans becoming youkai/vampires/ghosts/whatever. And less "whee I'mma flyin' loli" and more "oh my fuck why do I wonder what my neighbor's pancreas tastes like". I want to see what goes on in their head as new instincts settle in and they slowly realize they aren't human anymore. How did they change anyway? Extreme emotional stress, enormous spite, a curse, an infection/possession from another youkai, prolonged exposure to supernatural activity, a deliberate ritual. Anything is possible, and it's all interesting in their own way.
I like seeing people becoming something vastly different, vastly inhuman. A form of corruption, or transhumanism. Point is, when they turn, what do they experience? How much self-control do they have? What do they decide to do? They can try and hide the fact, remaining among their human friends despite the risks. They can give in and indulge in the power and hunger. Or they can retreat from human settlements and seek a new life.

It doesn't have to be entirely about hunger for human flesh either. The problem can also be inherent malevolence against humans, or a need to cause terror and chaos to get the faith to fuel one's supernatural existence. A human turned youkai would need to go to extremes to keep existing in this belief and faith driven form.
In the case of ghosts, it's about people having to realize and coming to terms with the fact they are dead. They wouldn't have the bloodthirty aspects of their youkai counterparts, though ghosts could be vengeful enough still cause trouble. They'll also have to get used to a new life and see what they should do now. Who would they contact in this state? How can they make contact in this state?

This could be a great approach for certain origin stories, or for OCs. Or you can see what happens when one of the current human characters falls victims to this. Keine is already half youkai, so what's it like if she gives into her more feral side? And what if Marisa succeeds in becoming a youkai magician, but proceeds to take a page from classic fairy tale witches?

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« Reply #506 on: October 02, 2012, 09:54:09 AM »
Are there tons of origin stories for the Yakumo/SDM/Moriya? I think I've only ever found one.

In any case: I concur with most of what you said, minus the darker-and-grittier part.
I've always liked the idea of finding a flawless-looking youkai vaguely disturbing rather than alluring, ? la the uncanny valley.
Depending on how it's done, I can really enjoy depictions of characters where they have similar traits or behaviours to whatever animal or what-have-you they're based on, like wolf Tengu acting in a pack with a clear heirarchy.
Seeing the perspective of someone with alien morals and thought processes is also often really interesting, if the writer can pull it off.

On the other hand, I rarely enjoy works that portray the characters as if the civil humanoid face is just a disguise hiding a eldritch horror that will eat your face if it gets the chance, especially if the author insists this is what Gensokyo is truly like; arguing that the characters are youkai and thus are much darker than portrayed is like arguing that all modern elves are actually demon fey that abduct children and replace them with changlings, and any semblance of kindness or likability on their part is a glamour.

I have however enjoyed works that meet half-way, such as stories where the youkai are born/start beastial but gain wisdom and lose the monstrosity with age, or where they must learn how to suppress the base instincts.

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Re: Stuff you wish to see in fandom more
« Reply #507 on: October 02, 2012, 03:15:02 PM »
Are there tons of origin stories for the Yakumo/SDM/Moriya? I think I've only ever found one.

I've found at least three for each SDM member, two for Yukari/Yuyuko and two or three for the Moriyas. All doujins. It's safe to say these groups get a lot of attention.

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In any case: I concur with most of what you said, minus the darker-and-grittier part.

Maybe I've went a bit too far on the dark stuff. Never the less I'd like to see these unearthly interpretations more.

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I've always liked the idea of finding a flawless-looking youkai vaguely disturbing rather than alluring, ? la the uncanny valley.

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Depending on how it's done, I can really enjoy depictions of characters where they have similar traits or behaviours to whatever animal or what-have-you they're based on, like wolf Tengu acting in a pack with a clear heirarchy.
Seeing the perspective of someone with alien morals and thought processes is also often really interesting, if the writer can pull it off.

Oh yes, definitely, to both of those. Since a lot of youkai are born and raised in entirely different circumstances as humans, as well as having their own instincts, it's not unreasonable to think they experience the world around them in a vastly different manner than humans. They could also have a different view on life and death, due to the longevity and durability of youkai.

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On the other hand, I rarely enjoy works that portray the characters as if the civil humanoid face is just a disguise hiding a eldritch horror that will eat your face if it gets the chance, especially if the author insists this is what Gensokyo is truly like; arguing that the characters are youkai and thus are much darker than portrayed is like arguing that all modern elves are actually demon fey that abduct children and replace them with changlings, and any semblance of kindness or likability on their part is a glamour.

I can imagine that would not sit well if it applied to all the supernatural characters. I believe only the ones living in the wild and the loner-ish youkai could have this eldritch feel to them (Rumia, Wriggle, Letty, Medicine, Parsee, Yuuka, maybe Yukari and Yamame). The more social species, like kappa, tengu, earth/moon bunnies and oni, would be more 'human'. Same goes for youkai who came into existence or were raised in more 'urban' environments, so to speak, or have gained a closer relationship with humans (the Myouren youkai). And of course, one would be hard-pressed to see the fairies as anything but childlike and innocent.

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I have however enjoyed works that meet half-way, such as stories where the youkai are born/start beastial but gain wisdom and lose the monstrosity with age, or where they must learn how to suppress the base instincts.

This is exactly what I'm looking for here. I really think this subject isn't explored enough. I'd love to see more fics or doujins about it~
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« Reply #508 on: October 06, 2012, 05:59:37 AM »
I really like the "youkai are not like humans" thing, but I don't particularly like your specific examples. In a sense, they're too human? "Coming to terms with you urges" or "suppressing your instincts" or "gaining wisdom with age" all imply that they're basically human but with different needs or desires. Youkai aren't just people who like the taste of human flesh. Nor are they just people who look down on humans as food. Even the eldritch abomination thing kind of ignores what a youkai is supposed to be.

Something I picked up on a while ago and was recently emphasized by SOPM is that youkai are defined by some "purpose". They fill a need in humanity. They're the explanation for a strange phenomenon, or the source of an irrational fear. An echo on a mountain, a fear of the darkness. And when they lose that purpose, they die. They have "strong bodies, but weak spirits". Murasa needs to keep trying to drown people because that's the only way she can exist. That's all she is. She has nothing against humans, and even likes to talk to them, but the second she even entertains the idea of not drowning people she loses all reason to live. Youkai are deathly afraid of possession by evil spirits despite such a thing never happening, because youkai simply cannot survive a change of motivation. They are a motivation. They are the embodiment of a purpose. They don't necessarily think about this consciously, because it's just so ingrained in what they are.

So therefore, the trick to writing a youkai is to find its purpose. Look at what makes them tick, literally. The task they can't give up on, the belief they can't question. The reason for their existence. Because everything they do will revolve around that, one way or another.

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« Reply #509 on: October 06, 2012, 08:09:48 AM »
Clarste pretty much nailed it. ZUN only started writing this definition of youkai some time after IN, so many earlier youkai are pretty much just magical people based on myths. Most of ZUN's current characters that are being fleshed out are essentially humans, because they're now the ones that have the ability to change and develop. Youkai usually being really old and being born from a purpose is a nice way to excuse youkai in that now you can introduce them already developed. This can sort of get around the whole "why haven't I seen this youkai before if they're so influential" problem.

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