Stuff you wish to see in fandom more

[AnonymousPondScum]

I'd love to see Sanae's sudden obsession with food explained.

The Aki sisters managed to luck out and beat her in a fair fight, and the surprise/shame of such an unexpected defeat traumatized her for the rest of her days. :V

[lightdreamer]

More or less, yeah. They're shallow, one-dimensional, cackling villains, really. Not much more. And yet as emissaries from the Moon, there's so much potential there for fanworks to play with in terms of their backstories and everyday lives, yet it gets mostly ignored.

I guess basically what I'm saying is I'd love to see fanworks that fill in the blanks, as it were, and give these girls some depth, characters, and yes, flaws.

Sadly, with opinions like that, we're not going to see any fanworks like that anytime soon.

By Mary Sues, he didn't mean the whole "perfect person who makes the plot boring" kind. He meant the "so overpowered it's frustrating to the audience kind". Theres also how they deliver the "humans sux lololol" message so heavy-handedly, when they themselves are pretty jerkish.

Did I get that right? 

Honestly, you can say the same with Yukari or Reimu if you bring their powers to their logical conclusions.

Anyway, it wasn't frustrating at all for me and most of the frustration I've seen comes from the fans of Marisa, Sakuya, or Remilia who just can't stand that their favorite characters had lost.

And on another not-quite-related topic about the "humans sux lololol" message, I also find that sentiment on some certain parts of the fandom, especially in places where the whole "Youkai eats humans" gets brought up.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Sadly, with opinions like that, we're not going to see any fanworks like that anytime soon.

What's that supposed to mean?

[Ikari]

The Aki sisters managed to luck out and beat her in a fair fight, and the surprise/shame of such an unexpected defeat traumatized her for the rest of her days. :V

Kanako: Come on Sanae, come out of your room... You lost because we were low on faith and couldn't give you enough strength, it's not your fault!

Sanae: RICE! AND FRUITS! DELICIOUS DANMAKUUUU :V

Kanako: ...

Suwako: *crying* OUR POOR BABY! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, KANAKO! YOU'RE AN HORRIBLE MOTHER!

Sanae: A B C D E F G, I LOVE FRUITS, THEY'RE SO JUICY~

Kanako: *hugs Suwako and cries as well*

...Oh wow this needs to happen.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Kanako: Come on Sanae, come out of your room... You lost because we were low on faith and couldn't give you enough strength, it's not your fault!

Sanae: RICE! AND FRUITS! DELICIOUS DANMAKUUUU :V

Kanako: ...

Suwako: *crying* OUR POOR BABY! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, KANAKO! YOU'RE AN HORRIBLE MOTHER!

Sanae: A B C D E F G, I LOVE FRUITS, THEY'RE SO JUICY~

Kanako: *hugs Suwako and cries as well*

...Oh wow this needs to happen.

Welp, I know what I'm doing for my next create.swf comic. :getdown:

[lightdreamer]

I've been working on something involving them.  Mostly Yorihime, I can't see Toyohime outside that stuff you said.  I'll post after I finish ironing out the details and umm...actually writing it  :V

Why not Toyohime? I think you can bring out the kinder side of her with that Urashima tale.

What's that supposed to mean?

Nobody likes them = No one wants to make fanworks of them.

[Ikari]

Welp, I know what I'm doing for my next create.swf comic. :getdown:

If I don't get to see it, I'll be angreh :V

Another thing I'd like to see in the fandom is mastermind Koishi. The kind of Koi-Koi that makes you d'awwww... then you realize she's a total genius and she planned something that makes you go ''Wait whaaa?''

Kinda like Yukari in IaMP. That was AWESOME.

[Tengukami]

I kinda think they skipped a part between Touhou 10 and 11, even more in 12. I mean, she goes from fanatic miko in MoF to ''Teehee, food spellcards!'' in SA, and finally ''youkai hunting is fun!'' in UFO. I mean, what happened anyway?

Moreover, what happened between UFO and Ten Desires? She goes from "exterminate the youkai!" to more like "oh hey check it out, a youkai". She's really changed a lot.

I could be wrong here, but wasn't she like, pretty young when she moved into Gensokyo? It's liable that, coming into "adulthood" in Gensokyo, she went through a fairly stressful period of adjustment but then eventually settled in. I'd love to see that whole process explored more.

Sadly, with opinions like that, we're not going to see any fanworks like that anytime soon.
Honestly, you can say the same with Yukari or Reimu if you bring their powers to their logical conclusions.

Anyway, it wasn't frustrating at all for me and most of the frustration I've seen comes from the fans of Marisa, Sakuya, or Remilia who just can't stand that their favorite characters had lost.

Nobody likes them = No one wants to make fanworks of them.

What's up with this petulant attitude? "If you're going to be like that, no one's going to write any fanworks"? "You're just mad that you lost"? Come on already. We're talking about fictional characters here. I'm saying the Watas have potential for great things in fanworks, in part because they're one-dimensional Mary Sues leaving a whole lot of room for fleshing out and development.

[Athrel]

Moreover, what happened between UFO and Ten Desires? She goes from "exterminate the youkai!" to more like "oh hey check it out, a youkai". She's really changed a lot.

Some think that perhaps she was merely enthused to be youkai hunting for the first time, not out of any hatred for Youkai, but just excitement at being involved in an incident. 

[Tengukami]

Some think that perhaps she was merely enthused to be youkai hunting for the first time, not out of any hatred for Youkai, but just excitement at being involved in an incident.

Yeah, that's the impression I got, too. But what I'm asking is, what happened after UFO and before Ten Desires to lead to this blas? attitude? Growing up? Growing bored? Secret friendship with a youkai causing emotional conflicts that call to mind Brokeback Mountain?

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[Athrel]

Yeah, that's the impression I got, too. But what I'm asking is, what happened after UFO and before Ten Desires to lead to this blas? attitude? Growing up? Growing bored? Secret friendship with a youkai causing emotional conflicts that call to mind Brokeback Mountain?

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Seeing as she spends most of her time at Youkai mountain, she probably got used to them after a while. It's hard to see youkai as particularly strange or interesting when you practically live with them.

[Clarste]

More or less, yeah. They're shallow, one-dimensional, cackling villains, really. Not much more. And yet as emissaries from the Moon, there's so much potential there for fanworks to play with in terms of their backstories and everyday lives, yet it gets mostly ignored.

I guess basically what I'm saying is I'd love to see fanworks that fill in the blanks, as it were, and give these girls some depth, characters, and yes, flaws.

I dunno, I thought Toyohime's attitude in her CiLR chapter was pretty interesting.

Also, their attitude makes more sense if you think of them as the heroes of the Lunar Invasion storyline. It's hard to see them as cackling villains when you realize that they're just trying to defend their home from people who are explicitly trying to kill everyone on it. Reimu ended up doing the classic villain "hold the city hostage" strategy when she was shooting impurity. Yorihime even has her own boss rush. Well, she ended up bombing through everything though.

[Ikari]

Seeing as she spends most of her time at Youkai mountain, she probably got used to them after a while. It's hard to see youkai as particularly strange or interesting when you practically live with them.

I mean, let's see it as Sanae's perspective.

So first, she's in our world. Youkais are pretty much old legends, monsters that are known to be fairy tales. She's also known as being a goddess (at least, to the humans) and her life is dedicated to her goddesses.

Suddenly, Gensokyo. Youkais are real, they're everywhere, welcome Sanae, this is the ''real'' world. She doesn't deal with it very well, her first reaction being ''Let's do what Kanako says'', hence the very pretentious attitude, in my opinion. In Touhou 12, she's a bit more ''Herself'' but she's told my Kanako/Suwako; ''Kill youkais, it's your duty!'' or ''find treasures!'' She follows said orders dutifully.

Finally, Touhou 13 where she's pretty much used to the whole ''Youkais are a majority, humans are a minority'' mindset (complete opposite of what she originally lived in), hence the ''I don't really care anymore'' attitude. She doesn't have any clear orders from Kanako/Suwako, so she just investigates it for the hell of it. (Like everyone else)

That's just my opinion though. I still can't explain the sudden love for food though :/

[Athrel]

I mean, let's see it as Sanae's perspective.

So first, she's in our world. Youkais are pretty much old legends, monsters that are known to be fairy tales. She's also known as being a goddess (at least, to the humans) and her life is dedicated to her goddesses.

Suddenly, Gensokyo. Youkais are real, they're everywhere, welcome Sanae, this is the ''real'' world. She doesn't deal with it very well, her first reaction being ''Let's do what Kanako says'', hence the very pretentious attitude, in my opinion. In Touhou 12, she's a bit more ''Herself'' but she's told my Kanako/Suwako; ''Kill youkais, it's your duty!'' or ''find treasures!'' She follows said orders dutifully.

Finally, Touhou 13 where she's pretty much used to the whole ''Youkais are a majority, humans are a minority'' mindset (complete opposite of what she originally lived in), hence the ''I don't really care anymore'' attitude. She doesn't have any clear orders from Kanako/Suwako, so she just investigates it for the hell of it. (Like everyone else)

That's just my opinion though. I still can't explain the sudden love for food though :/

That's sort of a more detailed version of what I was trying to say.

[Tengukami]

Seeing as she spends most of her time at Youkai mountain, she probably got used to them after a while. It's hard to see youkai as particularly strange or interesting when you practically live with them.

That's certainly plausible, but never explained, hence my wanting to see it fleshed out more in fanworks.

OK, really, I just want to see a tear-choked Sanae yell "I wish I knew how to quit you!" at some youkai friend.

I dunno, I thought Toyohime's attitude in her CiLR chapter was pretty interesting.

Also, their attitude makes more sense if you think of them as the heroes of the Lunar Invasion storyline. It's hard to see them as cackling villains when you realize that they're just trying to defend their home from people who are explicitly trying to kill everyone on it. Reimu ended up doing the classic villain "hold the city hostage" strategy when she was shooting impurity. Yorihime even has her own boss rush. Well, she ended up bombing through everything though.

Well, who the aggressors are is kinda beside the point. My concern is more for seeing some actual depth of character, frailties, and more dimensions (a complaint I could make about other members of the cast as well, to be fair).

[AnonymousPondScum]

My theory is that Sanae thinks she's in an anime and acts accordingly.

Technically, she wouldn't be wrong, either. :V

[Tengukami]

My theory is that Sanae thinks she's in an anime and acts accordingly.

Technically, she wouldn't be wrong, either. :V

Really? Really?

[Ikari]

My theory is that Sanae thinks she's in an anime and acts accordingly.

Technically, she wouldn't be wrong, either. :V

No. If Touhou was an anime, maids would rule the moechain.

AND SANAE WOULDN'T BE THERE O____O

[AnonymousPondScum]

Really? Really?

I never claimed it to be a sane or plausible theory, merely one that amused me. :V

And besides, look at how often she comments on the game interface and other fourth-wall elements.

She's not merely a traveller to TV land, she's a semi-random human who ACTUALLY CODED HERSELF INTO THE GAMES. :getdown:

[Tengukami]

I never claimed it to be a sane or plausible theory, merely one that amused me.

No, you should "technically she wouldn't be wrong".

So again: really?

[AnonymousPondScum]

No, you should "technically she wouldn't be wrong".

So again: really?

Okay, I meant more broadly that she thinks she's in a work of fiction with anime elements asdfnjrwgjnrewng I DON'T KNOW WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DISSECT MY JOKE MAAAAN

[Ikari]

Okay, I meant more broadly that she thinks she's in a work of fiction with anime elements asdfnjrwgjnrewng I DON'T KNOW WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DISSECT MY JOKE MAAAAN

Sanae is serious fuckin' buisness.

[Tengukami]

Okay, I meant more broadly that she thinks she's in a work of fiction with anime elements

Here's where I just forget this ever happened.

Also, more fourth-wall breaking in fanworks would be great.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Here's where I just forget this ever happened.

Also, more fourth-wall breaking in fanworks would be great.

Well she DOES have an interest in giant robots so if you absolutely must know where I'm coming from I'm joking that back in our world maybe Sanae was a closet geek. :V

ANYWAY MOVING ON. On the note of fourth wall-dom I'm waiting for a game where Yukari trolls everyone, including the audience. :getdown:

[Clarste]

Well, who the aggressors are is kinda beside the point. My concern is more for seeing some actual depth of character, frailties, and more dimensions (a complaint I could make about other members of the cast as well, to be fair).

Well, as I said CiLR makes Toyohime pretty interesting. She realizes that they're fighting a losing battle with impurity, and that even the Lunarians are doomed to die someday. Honestly, as one of the few characters who get their thoughts spelled out in narrative, she's actually one of the most developed characters. She just happens to be really strong.

[Ikari]

ANYWAY MOVING ON. On the note of fourth wall-dom I'm waiting for a game where Yukari trolls everyone, including the audience. :getdown:

Hey! The brain rape she did in IaMP was pretty much the most incredible trolling a game ever did to me.

I swear, after clearing all scenarios in a single day (personal challenge), I started to talk like Yukari.

Friend calling on the phone: So what are you doing?

Me: As the silver spoon is going through a river of gold, silly you, can't you see the ground is like a cloud?

Friend: ...What is wrong with you?

Me: I DON'T KNOW!

*actual real life moment*

[Tengukami]

Honestly, as one of the few characters who get their thoughts spelled out in narrative, she's actually one of the most developed characters.

Whoah now, let's not go crazy here. That is indeed a reflective moment, though, and more of the same (and more) would certainly be welcome.

[AnonymousPondScum]

Hey! The brain rape she did in IaMP was pretty much the most incredible trolling a game ever did to me.

You're going to have to splain that to me a little as I haven't done Yukari's route in IAMP.

[Ikari]

You're going to have to splain that to me a little as I haven't done Yukari's route in IAMP.

Ok, so Yukari is gaping a bit everywhere in Gensokyo. Every bits of scenario follows this template:

Character: Hey, Yukari.

Yukari: *really random and creepy greeting that makes no sense*

Character: What?

Yukari: GIMMEH ALL YOUR *random alcoholic drink*

Character: What no D:

Yukari: YES.

*battle starts*
*victory*

Yukari: *random nonsensical speech*


THEN, you reach Suika. Here's how it happens;

Yukari: Hey Suika. Guess who stole all of Gensokyo's beverages and promised them to bring it to tonight's party? Me.

Suika: Haha, you're crazy! They'll kill you!

Yukari: I don't think so. Your little game has bored me. This is enough for now. If you don't show yourself tonight, I'll tell everyone that a little oni named Suika stole all the drinks I had.

Suika: Y-you wouldn't dare! They won't believe you!

Yukari: Oh stop being stupid, who do you think they'll believe? Wise, old Yukari or random newcomer oni?

Suika: ...

Yukari: That's right. You're trapped.

Suika: I won't let you!

*battle*
*victory*
*sappy ending*

[AnonymousPondScum]

lolYukari

So basically Yukari saved the day by beating up everyone she came across, stealing their beer, and then blackmailing a midget-loli oni with possibly all the beer in the land.

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