Author Topic: Genius of Sappherios Zansyo/Weekend (Read 158020 times)

Serela · « **Reply #720 on:** January 10, 2013, 01:14:30 AM »

Acala Sword is also really fast and allows you to use ?-Elemental benefits, but. Generally, Satori doesn't have much use for sheer physical damage skills that don't have added status effects, apart from Tentacle for it's potential to actually hit pretty notable numbers in some situations, assuming you get it soon after it's available. Since it's affected drastically by defense, after buffs (and maybe debuffs) it's damage goes up more then might be expected, assuming the target has a non-insignificant pdef. It scales okay since Satori can get more physical damage bonuses from a lot of POW, but.

RegalStar · « **Reply #721 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:50:44 AM »

One thing that Vacuum Wave DOES do for you is to drain MP back if you equip a Sacred Akiba Cherry Blossom. It's really helpful in the endurance dungeon and still pretty useful elsewhere. Tentacle can do the same job, but Vacuum Wave is more reliable.

Starxsword · « **Reply #722 on:** January 10, 2013, 08:28:20 AM »

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Acala Sword does 200% base physical damage, and ignores defense, reflection, perfect evade, shield, and has base hit rate of 999. It also has 0 damage variance.

Are you sure Acala Sword ignores perfect evade? I thought I remember dodging Acala Sword, but maybe I was mistaken.

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Yes. ? Element also means it will use things like slayers and status effects from the weapon.

Does this mean Lithos' Andromeda Nebula(the light element attack skill) or whatever it is called, won't trigger slayer effect?

Sungho · « **Reply #723 on:** January 10, 2013, 12:27:09 PM »

Lithos's Andromeda Nebula doesn't get Slayer effects from weapons because it's Magic.

Magic Element Physical attacks (like Sanae's ELE/ETH skills or Satori's Breath skills) doesn't even benefit from Exorcism in weapons, in addition to Slayer and Status.

Serela · « **Reply #724 on:** January 10, 2013, 02:06:11 PM »

Yeah, Andromeda Nebula is a magic attack, not a physical attack with Light element.

Sakurei · « **Reply #725 on:** January 10, 2013, 03:37:06 PM »

you know, the game has become awfully repetitive when all you're doing is trying to grind and collect some rare material (most notably orihalcum, adamantite and super aja. I don't even know how much I need of these). I also occasionally do some others (lithos' quest, the king flayer). I haven't tried my hands on the elder dragon, the demon, the mechanical dragon or the guy that gives you obsidian, because I have no idea how to tackle them. I don't even feel the need to collect all that many diamonds and emeralds, though. it feels like they're less used than the other stuff.
lol@ Mokou doing 40k damage with 1 attack to the maneater plant. after having byakuren's 25 pts ATK buff, of course.

also, I've been grinding in stage 21, but are the newer stages actually better suited for that? I feel like the EXP reward is much lower than in the gorgon barrier, but I might just be imagining things. highest level is currently 95 (sanae, youmu and mokou).

Serela · « **Reply #726 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:01:52 PM »

Grinding for EXP in kourindou quests is best, I think. That's why I farmed mech dragon a lot. I also combine diamond/emeralds to get Gold.

Guy that gives you obsidian is transcendent (common slayer type), weak to debuffs (By the way reisen transcendent in her slayer tree), and seriously just Byaku-debuff it and it can't do anything and will fall over to Reisen's special slayer pretty much.

Mech Dragon is weak to water, has a somewhat annoying field effect, uses non-scary slash/mystic attacks and mostly you just have to worry about Evo Breath, which Aya stops. Aya with Slash Resist spamming breath reflect does all the tanking you need, basically. Give someone the Oni's Metal Rod and enwater and they'll murder it (Yuugi can hit 99999 easy with a crit from youmu 3-bomb commander skill), or just a water based assault in general. Super easy fight, and quick if you use Yuugi like that.

Gaining high levels doesn't do much for your stats, so priority should be characters that actually learn more moves after that. Marisa/Reimu/Sakuya/Patch get lv99 moves, although Patch and Marisa likely won't use theirs a whole lot due to insane cooldown and only being mystic nukes. Lithos and Reimu have lv95/94 moves, too. Remi gets a lv90 move. Youmu gets a move at 90 and... 93? Those are all the skills past lv90, I think. (Actually, I think Reimu/Lithos have lv90 moves too, although Lithos' lv90 is useless)

RegalStar · « **Reply #727 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:12:16 PM »

Sakuya really appreciates hitting level 99 because Quicktime rocks. Lithos also wants level 95 because Cosmic Supercluster is just straight up really damaging without need of any setup. Reimu and Youmu gets skills at level 99 and 93 respectively that are fairly useful, but nothing that really improves their standing as a character (Reimu just gets a stronger light nuke, while Youmu gets a stance that lets her use all skills). Marisa and Patchy both gets useful danmaku moves at level 92 which you may want to learn, although their level 99 skills are more or less useless. No other characters learn any skill beyond level 90 as far as I know (Satori used to have a few skills that require level higher than 90 to learn, but all of them were bumped down in weekend).

Sakurei · « **Reply #728 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:28:37 PM »

youmu's all purpose stance doesn't give her the buffs the normal stances give her, do they? I felt my critical rate went down a lot with it as opposed when I was using munassya (I don't care how it's spelled :V). yeah, youmu got that stance on level 93.

why the fuck does it seems like reisen isn't a useless bunny in this game? that's silly :V I didn't grind her past level 50 because I thought she'd be fucking useless. as a matter of fact, I felt a lot of the newer characters weren't as useful as the older ones. I knew yuugi is a beast all along, and I have been using lithos this whole time, too (she's level 92 right now), but aside from that...
grinding characters up to level 99 is a pain in the ass, too. so having to do that with only a few is actually...helpful. still, I don't feel confident to fight most kourindou quests without my strongest team (exchange lithos for byakuren, who's 85 herself), because they all seem so bullshit :V I mean, if I don't take out the terminator maschine quickly, I will mess up with the debuffs at one point and everyone dies.
I am sure, though, I could defeat the hydra (lol), the maneater plant and the mind flayer without those. I just need mokou for the plant, aya + any strong attacker vs the hydra and sakuya for the mind flayer, but...uhh...so much EXP is needed ;_; 600k was what sanae, mokou and youmu needed for level 96. they're somewhat close, but still.

I will see what I can do. I WILL need to go through some dungeons, though. I want satori to learn as many skills as possible. I haven't used her much for sme parts of the game.

Serela · « **Reply #729 on:** January 10, 2013, 04:41:39 PM »

Reisen isn't useless because her special slayer stacks for each status effect, so she can hit massive numbers on anything that can be debuffed. Like, several tens of thousands of damage per hit. And if she can get slayer or weakness on it too, she can probably hit 99999.

And, Youmu's all-stance only gives an HP buff. I'd only use it if you want Reincarnation Slash in addition to Heavenly Halo's debuff. Also on the final expansion boss, where you want Asura's AoE noncards and maybe ALSO Heavenly Halo, I dunno how easily you could land that status.

RegalStar · « **Reply #730 on:** January 10, 2013, 05:58:43 PM »

Reisen is most useful against the Kourindou bosses and the two random abyss bosses in stage 23-24, but she isn't very much so later in the storyline, or in the endurance dungeon where she is one of the three characters that is utterly incapable of regenerating MP in any way.

Also, Remilia is pretty good at clearing randoms at least, even if she doesn't have good mass damage options against bosses. Cirno is the only one that stands out as being just... not very good. Superconductor is interesting though, and she can also inflict mass instant death (though Satori can do that as well).

Serela · « **Reply #731 on:** January 10, 2013, 11:16:30 PM »

Reisen's considerable for randoms too with her mess of slayers (Permanent slayer is pretty buff for random fight skills), and her special slayer/berserkness can come in handy. And, she's actually still great against ALL the stage bosses in expansion, because they're ALL quite vulnerable to debuffs. Phase 2 of the ex-final is sped up a lot by using her special slayer, otherwise it takes forever.

Remi is beastly on random battles with Javelins, but since her high power attacks have significant cooldown, she's not that good on bosses. She can be considered on the stage 23~24 bosses since they have no resist to Star of David. She's good on the Ex-final boss 1 since she can blinktank as well as Aya and drain hp to keep herself up.

Cirno is harder to justify using. Her ability to pierce water resist makes her damage stable, but it's not particularly high either. It's probably best to try to spam Freeze with her to stop enemies from attacking; her Ice weapons are FAR better for this then her magic, and Ice Destruction allows you to deal good damage and try to inflict Instant Death at the same time as doing Freeze. She can do considerable enough damage with Ice weapon skill spamming on bosses weak to water...

but, basically, you would only use Cirno because you want to. She can be used well enough to make her a good member of your party, but she's not good enough to actually make you want to use her for her usefulness. Exception:Along with Remi, she's good in phase 1 of the final boss, except in this case it's to smash water weakness and use physical elemental attacks, without having to get Byaku-buffed for water.

Eigerblade · « **Reply #732 on:** January 11, 2013, 02:28:06 AM »

I actually enjoyed using Cirno as a tank..

She has water counter, and it fills the land quickly, so the HP regen (along with Amkieh Amulet for more regen) makes her practically immortal as long as she didn't die in one hit (resistance equipments helps). Her regen actually exceeds her max HP..

She's still not as effective as Alice, though, and while the water counter deals 1000ish damage each time she is damaged, fighting large mobs will kill her because she can only regen after the end phase. Still quite interesting to use

Sakurei · « **Reply #733 on:** January 11, 2013, 02:39:28 AM »

okay, I have a question now: when do I get the recipes for the strongest character-specified equipment? it's not after the final boss, is it? that would be stupid

I would love to spend some of my 20 super aja I have right now ~.~

RegalStar · « **Reply #734 on:** January 11, 2013, 02:46:03 AM »

After you defeat Existence Hater.

Starxsword · « **Reply #735 on:** January 11, 2013, 09:02:10 AM »

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Yeah, Andromeda Nebula is a magic attack, not a physical attack with Light element.

Eh? It's magic? Oh, that sucks then.

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why the fuck does it seems like reisen isn't a useless bunny in this game? that's silly I didn't grind her past level 50 because I thought she'd be fucking useless. as a matter of fact, I felt a lot of the newer characters weren't as useful as the older ones. I knew yuugi is a beast all along, and I have been using lithos this whole time, too (she's level 92 right now), but aside from that...

Reisen is very strong if you can land status effects on the enemy. She does the most damage out of your characters, assuming you can land mulitple status effects. For the most part, against most bosses, status effects will land.

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She's still not as effective as Alice, though, and while the water counter deals 1000ish damage each time she is damaged, fighting large mobs will kill her because she can only regen after the end phase. Still quite interesting to use

The only way to tank mass groups of enemies using Cirno is to either use Remilia as the commander and use a bomb. Or, use Sakuya's life steal field effect. You can pretty much tank anything that doesn't OHKO you.

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okay, I have a question now: when do I get the recipes for the strongest character-specified equipment? it's not after the final boss, is it? that would be stupid

You get them after the Existence Hater, second to last boss. However, the final tier armor is mediocre and does not beat the final tier items you get if you face the final boss once and either lose or win. There are some amazing drops in the expansion final dungeon, if you can find those mini-bosses.

Tangrelle · « **Reply #736 on:** January 12, 2013, 06:21:16 AM »

I've been playing through this on the side whoohoo

Right before the three maids currently, but Satori just hit 50 so I'm running around getting the skills from the moon people and shisaa and whatnot first!

My one question I ran into is with Alice. I dropped all my power into both her two defensive trees and I have some leftover, but I don't know where to invest it! None of them seem really appealing, especially her weapon line. When it says shield effects halved for the 5 power on Greaves, does that mean for her or the enemy?

RegalStar · « **Reply #737 on:** January 12, 2013, 06:32:18 AM »

It means the opponent's chance to shield your attack is halved.

You can put the spare points in VIT if you want, although the +RES and +Bomb from her other two innate trees can be useful, especially the +RES ones. A tank under a dangerous status is no tank after all. The 10% physical deflect from boots 10 is also considerable, although I usually don't have Alice wearing any greaves until stage 27.

Validon98 · « **Reply #738 on:** January 18, 2013, 08:50:27 PM »

Beat the Great Hydra for the first time. I ignored Reisen in favor of Sakuya with the Kusanagi and Dragon Fang Strike. It worked wonders. Plus I got two Orichalcums from it. Now I wait for it to roll around again so I can get more Orichalcum so I can make more unique weapons. I want Mokou's ultimate pre-expansion weapon so badly.

Starxsword · « **Reply #739 on:** January 19, 2013, 08:12:29 AM »

You mean Godhand? It isn't that impressive. Phoenix Hand, her ultimate item in the expansion is good though, since it does the Burn effect and has a high bonus to critical hit.
Against Great Hydra, if you plan to just use pure Dragon Fang Strike, Remilia is your best bet.

Validon98 · « **Reply #740 on:** January 19, 2013, 01:21:52 PM »

Quote from: Starxsword on January 19, 2013, 08:12:29 AM

You mean Godhand? It isn't that impressive. Phoenix Hand, her ultimate item in the expansion is good though, since it does the Burn effect and has a high bonus to critical hit.
Against Great Hydra, if you plan to just use pure Dragon Fang Strike, Remilia is your best bet.

I kind of NEED the God Hand to get the Phoenix Hand, though, remember? Plus I need Super Ajas, which I don't have either. And I haven't even unlocked that tier of items yet, so...
I haven't really been playing that much, and I HATE the Garden of the Sun's puzzle. As if I needed to be reminded of Salerno Academy...

Sakurei · « **Reply #741 on:** January 19, 2013, 02:35:12 PM »

Quote from: Validon98 on January 19, 2013, 01:21:52 PM

I kind of NEED the God Hand to get the Phoenix Hand, though, remember? Plus I need Super Ajas, which I don't have either. And I haven't even unlocked that tier of items yet, so...
I haven't really been playing that much, and I HATE the Garden of the Sun's puzzle. As if I needed to be reminded of Salerno Academy...

I feel you. I hated it both times, too. I just think it's entirely retarded. and annoying. REALLY annoying.

I still haven't played ever since I got my 16th super aja or so. I really don't feel like playing stage 26, or grind everyone else up to decent levels <.<

Validon98 · « **Reply #742 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:00:51 AM »

Hina... beaten...
Holy crap, that was a close call. Thankfully Fantasy Heaven or Hell is amazing and dealt almost 20000 damage during Hina's final phase. She had no chance to counter.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #743 on:** January 23, 2013, 04:22:01 AM »

switch puzzle in Bhava-agra we meet again....arrgh.
At least I finally got my very first emerald ever now, yayyy.

Now i didnt get my first diamond, i got 2 from 1 battle against 2 voids! Eeeeek. Hopefully my alice wont get 1shot by enemies despite having armored panties/full body cushion now that she has their upgrades yay.

Also, regalstar, i notice you seem to know alot of technical data, is this via the japanese wiki? I tried looking at it but alot of the names for monsters and skills are just wtf to me (after google trollolanslate) so i dunno what is what qq.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #744 on:** January 29, 2013, 01:41:13 AM »

Sorry for double post but question and nobody will see it if this stays in page 2.
Where in stage 20 do i find chimera's? Wiki says the center area but ive engaged+flee from dozens of enemy spawns there and ive only seen dem hydras multiple times, but no chimera.

Also, i havent played for a longass time until recently so what kind of damage does two headed dragon do again? Pierce/slash/bash? I ask cuz i have the 12.5% pierce and bash resist amulets but i havent even got the 25% sword one yet (trying to farm dantes but they stubborn), thanks.

Serela · « **Reply #745 on:** January 29, 2013, 02:39:00 AM »

Dragon's have slash-type physicals. At least all the ones I've noticed. 2-headed is definitely Slash.

Chimeras are mostly in the room on the upper right side of the "deeper" part of stage 20, I think. That's where I'd usually notice them when I was farming that place for various things, at least.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #746 on:** January 29, 2013, 02:57:04 AM »

slash?! it just HAD to be the element I don't have a good amulet for. AGHAHGASGH.
Thanks though, killed 60ish dante's since weekend upgrade, with gamer fan, drop rate is 4% (without gamer fan, not sure what gamer fan does exactly) supposedly, still no drop, whyyy whyyyy.

Also, possibly pro-tip (cough) for anybody doing the learning thing. If you're trying to get shield wall, I STRONGLY do not suggest fighting the phalanx dudes in stage 19. I spent like 5 hours trying to do that, and they NEVER EVER EVER casted shield wall while charmed. I give up and try the ones in stage 18, and bam, worked first fight. Thought 19 would be better since I didn't have to worry about group splitting crap between mp circle heal things, and since they tend to spawn in groups of 2 there instead of 1.

Acala sword still looks too tedious to get. Dem lizardmen don't seem to control ever, and my satori gets lolwtfpwnt by virtually everything that hits her at this point still...not to mention that move seems to nearly 1shot my alice, let alone satori.

I should prob just try to win the game again and get the better gamer fan and go back to this stuff but I have this drive to kill every single pre-lingering trash enemy there is before I beat the game, and 2 headed dragon (and a couple of the other stage 21 elites iirc) still proved too badass for my party.

Serela · « **Reply #747 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:24:16 AM »

Gamer fan barely makes a difference... I think? They might have buffed it. I wouldn't know.

Support moves like Shield Wall tend to not get cast while charmed, as well as not being in the control list. You have to interrupt them with Charm when it's already queued up to be cast. So, basically, you can only get it on the turn you inflict charm.

If you use accessories to pull off a tank Satori, Acala sword might not be so annoying to get via a bait slot like Poison Shield formation. I think I just controlled, but I don't remember. I recall having issues landing control before they ran out of most of their mp... plus they tended to cast Acala Sword right after being controlled and then welp no more mp plus I stopped Satori from getting hit :I

I wouldn't worry about it too much. It doesn't have a lot of use apart from mp drain in extra dungeon, which Vaccuum Wave and Tentacle can also handle.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #748 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:58:00 AM »

It seems to ignore defenses though so I thought it might be great for yukkuri's =P (yeah I know multihits work good but if it ignored the yukkuri-specific defense thing who knows).
And I'm pretty sure lizard knights immune to control. I gave byakuren launch earrings 4, and laaunch earrings 2, and I growth-specced her for max charm success, and I used all up + hyper trigger, AND I used youmu commander res-debuff...failed control like that about 15 times outta 15, I gave up. Granted I didn't put on sexy underwear because I don't have any, but I don't wanna go thru that trouble for 1 move.

And like I said, I have no good anti-slash tank pieces, so.. 1 meteorzapper (or any other slash attack no doubt) and bye bye satori qq.

Found a Chimera, got its shield to drop first kill. Too bad I'm not sure if I even like it, all my current shields have more than 2X more resistance, why coudln't dante drop his damn flyer on the first kill, whyy.

edit: Still no olympic fliers. decided to clear out 21f while I wait for them dantes to respawn. Got my first kills of bash, hecto-whatever.. the 7 arm giant dude, and crom caunch...Who dropped a giant snakeskin! Woot. I also killed a few more druids (already scragged one back when I was like 45-50 lol), another capricorn king yukkuri, and a couple bhodi trees.

I feel pretty lucky overall though because I also got a drake scale from a lesser dragon, and a high ribbon from a machine dragon, turbo-yay! Haven't seen 2 headed dragon or the mega demon thing again unfortunately. IIRC Pendragon was one of the easiest of the bunch, I killed it first try way back when I was 45-50...Bumped into one now, first turn, meteorzapper, full party but alice ko.. nooo. whyyy. I thought he was like bash where he just uses single hits, doh.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #749 on:** February 01, 2013, 11:58:17 PM »

I decided to forget completing all the trash before killin baws cuz double dragon just wouldnt spawn (killed 7 lightning barons...). That and that marisa yukkuri juat didnt seem doable for me (my best efforts hit for 30... 30!)

So yeah im starting lingering content for the first time, got cirno so far but did some wiki reading. It says i cannot re-do character quests, but according to the bestiary, some enemies only spawn in level 1 quests. I assume this means 1 star difficulty. Does this mean those monsters are perma missable if i finish cirno and nitori before i find em all?

Also is lithos pegasus bomb useless for everyone or just me? I tried it 5 times so far and got less than 4 hits every time, muscle revolution seems the way to go.