Ten Desires Mafia - Game Over

[Ryuki]

Reimu, get back in here and snuff out your scumreads. I know you can do it.

And this I shall do, now that I'm done with IRL stuff.

I'll probably do a multi-post here, so I can sequence my thoughts.

Let's start with the group of people I do not think highly of at all.

We'll start with Yuyuko, since she's been the one I'm harping on about since D1. There is probobly the least to explain about my stance on her. So here we go:

We start with #71, and the posts following it in this exchange. This is where Yuyuko first pushes for me, for little else than the reasoning of a policy lynch, when I showed the slightest bit of leaning towards a NL. It's not like I was jumping up and down shouting 'NL! NL!'.

However, I let her off for this. However, from here, it gets worse.

#87 is the first time she stops mentioning policy at all, only to say lynching a lurker is good too. This I find highly ironic, considering her current position.

In #105 Yuyuko says it better than I could. Not contributing is scummy. Lurking is scummy.

From this point on she continues to contribute next to nothing. All that way to 290 when she suddenly jumps on Kogasa because she sees I'm not getting lynched. Guess what her reason is? Policy again. Meta again. She even outright admits she's not read into anything

Then she flips to me just because someone's pushing the wagon again.

This is the last we hear from her all of D1 except for a 'String up Reimu she's not here to argue'.

So, in D1, all she did was harp about Poilcy and jump on wagons. No scumhunting. No content. No effort. No reading

No content + Bandwagoning + Spamming about Policy + Lurking = Yuyuko is certainly not giving off as town vibe.

ED2, many people prod her about this. Lo and behold; her response!

This wondrous piece

This is probobly the most hypocritical lynch I have seen all game. She states her reason for lynching Marisa is that [She]

Has spent considerable effort all game to stay out of the line of fire. Does give opinions and reads to a degree, but there's a pronounced sense of reserve in there.

Everything of this reasoning is applied to her twofold. When your best reason for juymping on someone is applied to you just as easily, it's is NOT a good sign.

She also outright says she's not even interested in the Nue case, and on D2, says she's willing to hang on just a gut instinct.

Tl;DR: It's not a question if Yuyuko is town, it's a question if she's a 3rd party that wants to be lynched. She REEKS of scum.

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At this point we'll move onto two people I am starting to get scumreads from. While I am certain Yuyuko is not town, she seems to be not-towning too much.

We'll start with Marisa. She too has been lurking heavily, there is virtually nothing worth pointing out from her D1 in terms of direct scumtells in what she says.

However, it is what she CHOOSES to say; Marisa is, as much as I lothe to admit it, making me think of her as scum for the reasons Yuyuko said.

This is her vote reason

She rides the wagon all day long. She dosen't push for the lynch she thinks is right either throughout the day, nor tries to justify it any further. She just rides the eventual wagon and sits back, feet up.

About the extent of her pushing for Youmu is agreeing with points raised against her

When I directly challenge her on the matter, asking for her opinion on matters as they stand, she just directs to a previous post. No further reasoning, despite new developments. I didn't even specify Youmu. She could have talked about anyone, or who she thought was town. #268

She actually does provide a little justification very late D2, but by this point everyone's raised this several times

In summary, I was left suspicious for Marisa at the end of D1, since she did little but ride a wagon and only vaguely respond to direct questions to her.

However, it is This post that irks me in particular. It comes across as her just siting there like a nodding dog, re-iterateing points others have made. As Miko later says, she refused to aknowledge in this post the issues Kyouko raised against her as well, and did not do so until prompted. The eventual 'reads' she gives are hardly detailed, she's clearly not attempting to convince anyone.

Wil get onto Nue in a few mins. I just need to re-read her posts, and the interactions, again to be sure.

[Ryuki]

As I said during D1, I initially thought Nue was giving off a town vibe.

However, there are a couple of things which have drawn my doubt to her.

Seiga: I just noticed she was one of the players not addressed by Kyouko's will. Considering how she said that if Youmu flips town Reimu is likely scum in addition to her D1 distaste and push against Reimu (comparable to her vs. Youmu, even) she's completely ignoring Reimu at the moment, not even commenting on Kyouko's will about Reimu. Also, considering her main targets have been Reimu, Youmu, and recently Marisa and me, Seiga feels like she's trying to dive into every possible posting policy lynch candidate, especially as seen by bashing Youmu pretty much only for her fluff and "not reading the game". Following her [/Reimu] just now I find her behaviours very damning.

This is my major beef. Nue almost seems to be attacking Seiga for not running after lynching me again, despite Kyouko's post before she died, and despite her support of me the prior day. This shows a possible ulterior motive to me. Why does she want Seiga after me? To draw attention away from something else? To give herself an easy lynch reason?  I'm not sure why, but it seems... not right. It's giving off a bad vibe.

Assuming Miko's last post included a question of who I think is scum:
Right now I'm leaning scum on Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and Marisa following Soga's post. I'm leaning more on Soga/Seiga than Marisa/Mamizou however. I still find you claiming lack of notice towards Futo strange and scummy, but I cannot conclude that you're scum without more evidence of scummy behaviours from you and/or Futo's scum flip.

D1, yes, I did think Youmu was scum. I'm sorry for my choice of wording.

I also find this curious. If, in her opinion, Soga is scum, has Soga's post convinced her that Marisa is scum? Surely, if Nue thinks Soga is scum, why is she even listening to her opinions on Marisa?

Admittedly she says she suspects Soga more than Marisa, but if she suspects Soga *that* much, why listen to her at all?

These two posts have changed my stance on Nue, and now I doubt she is town, due to this flawed reasoning. Why would a townie listen to someone they think is scum? Why would a townie tell someone off for not voting someone who many people have null-at-worst reads on?

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Those are currently my big three.

I would comment on Futo and Mamizou, but neither have really done enough for me to get a solid read.

Everyone else seems town to me right now, with the possible exception of Yoshika, however, i want to see how she pursues Kogasa before I make up my mind on her, as my view on her attacks on me will naturally be jaded.

Although I can say her accusing me of doing ED2 is completely wrong and is flawed reasoning, since I'd been at the forefront. The exchange is here: #477 and 478

[Ryuki]

Oh wait, I forgot to vote:

##Vote Kirisame Marisa

[Faiz]

Yoshika sAY noT reALly THinking AliEn ScuM EarlY...
NoT tiMe rEreAd buT CuRrent THinkiNG noT chanGe...

So you're saying she still isn't scum? Why? Also I would actually like an answer to #489's question.

I'm pointing out reasons your play is different from mine, actually. You would reach the conclusion that I was comparing our play if you only read the last sentence. Apparently that's enough to go on and accuse me of deflecting, though.

That line was in fact a response to your last sentence as I felt my previous lines had covered the rest of your paragraph.

I feel like I should note Marisa's reason for clearing Seiga. Apparently it's easy to stay on Youmu considering the wagon's strength but it's impossible for scum to use that time to build a followup lynch instead.

I was referring to Seiga's personal strength on the wagon more than the overall wagon strength actually.

This is her vote reason

About the extent of her pushing for Youmu is agreeing with points raised against her

When I directly challenge her on the matter, asking for her opinion on matters as they stand, she just directs to a previous post. No further reasoning, despite new developments. I didn't even specify Youmu. She could have talked about anyone, or who she thought was town. #268

She actually does provide a little justification very late D2, but by this point everyone's raised this several times

However, it is This post that irks me in particular. It comes across as her just siting there like a nodding dog, re-iterateing points others have made. As Miko later says, she refused to aknowledge in this post the issues Kyouko raised against her as well, and did not do so until prompted. The eventual 'reads' she gives are hardly detailed, she's clearly not attempting to convince anyone.

And the reason is bad because ___?

Miko had already pointed out just about everything wrt to Youmu, so I really don't see how I could do anything aside from agreeing with the points raised against her.

You realise that Youmu hadn't posted anything since what I redirected to? This is somewhat of a misrep as I did in fact talk a little about other people in that post. None of my town reads were under scrutiny so mentioning them would have been pointless fluff.

What are you even trying to link here?

I don't see why mentioning my sources is a bad thing. I feel that my posts did give indications as to my reads. It looks like you're not satisfied with my reads because I didn't have a hundred words about each of them.

[Ryuki]

So you're saying she still isn't scum? Why? Also I would actually like an answer to #489's question.
That line was in fact a response to your last sentence as I felt my previous lines had covered the rest of your paragraph.I was referring to Seiga's personal strength on the wagon more than the overall wagon strength actually.
And the reason is bad because ___?

Miko had already pointed out just about everything wrt to Youmu, so I really don't see how I could do anything aside from agreeing with the points raised against her.

You realise that Youmu hadn't posted anything since what I redirected to? This is somewhat of a misrep as I did in fact talk a little about other people in that post. None of my town reads were under scrutiny so mentioning them would have been pointless fluff.

What are you even trying to link here?

I don't see why mentioning my sources is a bad thing. I feel that my posts did give indications as to my reads. It looks like you're not satisfied with my reads because I didn't have a hundred words about each of them.

Because to me, and several other people, you looked like a nodding dog who sat on a wagon since the start of the day, and just sat there nodding, until someone else started pushing it.

You jumped on early, but never once did you actually push for the lynch. You just sat back and nodded.

As I said the redirection did not nessecerily have to be about Youmu. I asked for your opinion on the situation.

I'm not sure what exactly. How about your stance on the matter as it is now? Anything is better than nothing at all.

I never asked you for your opinion on Youmu. You could have spoken about anything, anyone. Instead, when I'm pressing you for MORE information, you just redirect to a pretty bad post on Youmu. That sort of reaction is not positive to me, evading the question and pointing to what you said earlier, which wasn't substantial in the first place. Bear in mind some question marks were being thrown around about me, and about Nue at that point. You could have given who was giving you townreads too.

Combine this sort of response with your overall lack of substance, wagon riding, and sitting back by and large, and I'm not getting a town vibe.

I'm more than happy for a Yuyuko lynch still, however, I'm just worried about '3rd party that wants to be lynched' because it's so obvious she's not town it's painful.

[Ryuki]

Forgot to add to the above you've been particually evasive on sharing your reads until you were prodded by Kyouko's will, Soga AND Miko to do so. Discounting my prod for more information on D1 I covered in the previous post.

[Punch Hopper]

I'm just worried about '3rd party that wants to be lynched' because it's so obvious she's not town it's painful.

To alleviate your fears: huh what stated that this game is explicitly not a bastard mod; Jesters and anything like them are strictly in bastard mod territory. So there is no way any sort of Jester is in the game unless huh what lied about the setup at the time he posted sign ups.

[Den-O]

That line was in fact a response to your last sentence as I felt my previous lines had covered the rest of your paragraph.

That didn't stop you from summing up the entire vote as deflection in #489, though.

Right now I'm leaning scum on (Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and Marisa following Soga's post).

Right now I'm leaning scum on Soga, Seiga, Mamizou and (Marisa following Soga's post).

Understood it as the former, not the latter, so I'm glad Reimu brought this to my attention. About the point regarding Seiga, though, I feel both she and I are pointing at the same thing (that being the off switch of opinion, rather than complaints that it doesn't exist). Regardless, I'll take a closer look at her ISO tomorrow.

[Ryuki]

To alleviate your fears: huh what stated that this game is explicitly not a bastard mod; Jesters and anything like them are strictly in bastard mod territory. So there is no way any sort of Jester is in the game unless huh what lied about the setup at the time he posted sign ups.

Surely the definition of bastard mod would allow for such things... because... well... it's BASTARD mod. As far as I was concerned anyway. Still, seeing as it's you I fear are the 'fool' role, coming from you it's not reassuring. Far from it. Of course a fool role would deny it's existence in the game.

Especially as you still not doing anything to alleviate anyone's worries about you. I feel kinda stupid, but can anyone else who has experience playing a 'bastard mod' mafia game confirm this?

Understood it as the former, not the latter, so I'm glad Reimu brought this to my attention.

Botht he former and the latter make no logical sense. The way you interpreted it, she suspected you, and 3 others, following your post. The way I interpret it, she suspected Marisa after your post, while she already suspected you.

Both ways means she suspected you heavily, yet still listened to you despite thinking you were scum. Both meanings would come to the same conclusion; specifically; Nue's logic is flawed.

[W]

If HW said this game was not bastard mod and then it turned out there was a Jester (aka win upon death) in the game, he'd probably get punched in the face through the internet by several of the players while some of the rest glared at him or shook their heads or something.

In other news I'm rereading and stuff.

[W]

TBH Yoshika I'm starting to have actual trouble understanding some of the stuff you're saying :c

YoshIka wANt reaD more PrincESs buT AgreE what REad TodAY...

Please clarify what you mean here. I don't know if you mean you agree about what Yuyuko's said, or if you agree what people are saying about Yuyuko, and in the latter group there's differing opinions on her (Some say SCUM while some say REALLY BAD BUT ALSO MAYBE TOWN, etc)

YoShikA stIll thinK aTTack oNLy dEfend mEan ladY bad!

I really can't tell what you're trying to say here :S

CraZy umBRella sAY still INterest in YOShika lyncH bUT also deterMine HalFbReed bad foR YoshikA reaSon!

Are you blaming me of sheeping your case for when I voted Youmu, here? Uh. That's pretty reaching. >_> Seriously. If that IS what's going on I'll go dig out where you voted Youmu and then answer this in more detail, but.

YOshiKA woNDer how Crazy UmbreLLA fEel abOUt YoshiKA after HAlfbReed Flip!
YOshika alsO wonder whY meNTion YOShika if VoTE HalfBReed foR voTE YOshika!

how I feel about Yoshika:There are bigger fish to fry p.much


No this isn't the only post I'm making right now I'm gonna make another

[W]

Also I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the second sentence of that last quote in my post there, either.

[Kiva-la]

So you're saying she still isn't scum? Why? Also I would actually like an answer to #489's question.

What's your opinion of Nue, again? Since my question in #489 was apparently not explicit enough.

Miyako Yoshika: Third choice. Why is she ok with Nue when her reasons for voting Reimu (no case, appeasement, etc) are equally applicable to Nue?

Yoshika sAY noT reALly THinking AliEn ScuM EarlY...
NoT tiMe rEreAd buT CuRrent THinkiNG noT chanGe...

YoshiKA noT rEAson fOR tHINK AlieN oKAy BuT Gut!

Please clarify what you mean here. I don't know if you mean you agree about what Yuyuko's said, or if you agree what people are saying about Yuyuko, and in the latter group there's differing opinions on her (Some say SCUM while some say REALLY BAD BUT ALSO MAYBE TOWN, etc)

YoSHika meaN uNDerstANding WOrd thAT pRincEss Scum!
But YoshikA NOt reAlLy conVInced...

I really can't tell what you're trying to say here :S

MeaN YoshIkA nOTice CraZY UmBREllA ONly attACK PeopLE who AttACK MEan laDY eArly Day FIRST!

Are you blaming me of sheeping your case for when I voted Youmu, here? Uh. That's pretty reaching. >_> Seriously. If that IS what's going on I'll go dig out where you voted Youmu and then answer this in more detail, but.

NOt!
CraZY UmBRElla Say HAlfBreED SCuM foR Vote YOSHika!
MEaN thINk hAlfbrEed wrONG but STill saY YoshikA suSPicioUs!
ConTraDict?

how I feel about Yoshika:There are bigger fish to fry p.much

SamE fOR ALien yoSHikA gueSS?

Also I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the second sentence of that last quote in my post there, either.

YoSHIka ThinK cRAzy umBRella hedgING bET bY lEavINg Many opTion opEn!

YoSHIkA buSY...
Yoshika hUNGer...

[NekoNekoRex]

>V-V-Votecount!
Soga no Toziko (3): Toyosatomimi no Miko, Kaku Seiga, Houjuu Nue
Houjuu Nue (3): Kirisame Marisa, Futatsuiwa Mamizou, Mononobe no Futo
Kirisame Marisa (2): Saigyouji Yuyuko, Hakurei Reimu
Saigyouji Yuyuko (1):  Tatara Kogasa
Tatara Kogasa (1)):  Miyako Yoshika
Kaku Seiga (1): Soga no Toziko
Not Voting:  Nobody! \o/
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You ~28 hours have left in the day!

[W]

I'm reading Seiga's posts and I don't really know why she's getting voted atm

MeaN YoshIkA nOTice CraZY UmBREllA ONly attACK PeopLE who AttACK MEan laDY eArly Day FIRST!

I stand by my opinion that you and Yuyuko's votes for her weren't good (Yuyuko's was during ED1 and not -that- bad but I thought yours was just plain scummy)

CraZY UmBRElla Say HAlfBreED SCuM foR Vote YOSHika!
MEaN thINk hAlfbrEed wrONG but STill saY YoshikA suSPicioUs!
ConTraDict?

It's D1, it's completely realistic to expect that all my scumreads aren't going to be correct. Just because one person I think is scum is voting someone else I think is scum doesn't mean they're both town. For what it's worth I definitely would have had Youmu die over you though, not counting the part where now I have mod confirmation Youmu is town (for obvious reasons)

As for Nue, I'm gonna get to her in a minute :D

And on your accusation of me trying to "leave my options open" by that last thing, just, :T. If Youmu flipped town (which she did), her voting you is completely null tell to your real alignment. Wheras if Youmu had flipped scum it would have made you look more likely town.

okay now to look at other stuff

[Skull]

I am ready to commence my perusal of the thief's message log, as a lot of my thoughts on suspects in general are, irritatingly, starting to jumble. In keeping half an ear open to the flow of conversation I found myself subconsciously wanting to switch the point of my sword to Miyako-chan's throat, but I do not know how much of that desire is born of irritation with her obstinance and how much is born of genuine enemy behavior. I am also starting to slip a little in my opinion of Kaku-san; I had hoped she would have addressed my dear wife by this juncture. I will need time to mull who my true top priority is once the lookover of the thief is complete.

In the meantime, I would like to correct a small verbal error on my part. Earlier, I said I believed the ghost princess to be acting in "her own best interest". I should have stated that I believe her to be acting in her own self-interest. (Clearly she is not acting in her own best interest if she is making zero effort to avent the growing number of eyes looking her direction.)

I would also like the umbrella to address why she opposes the death of the thief so vehemently when she could not be bothered to explain such in her original post stating so and has since found it prudent to discuss matters that came afterward.

[Faiz]

@Reimu
I was attempting to push the wagon by saying I wasn't convinced by the claim and saying that scum are capable of making mistakes.

That didn't stop you from summing up the entire vote as deflection in #489, though.

True. Should've been more clear on that I suppose.

@Yoshika
Well that's pretty unhelpful. Surely you can point out some reasons? Also you seem unsure, "SamE fOR ALien yoSHikA gueSS?" implies that you don't think she's town but would rather go after scummier targets. Unless I'm misreading and you're saying that Kogasa also thinks this about Nue. I really wish you would drop the RP.

[Kiva-la]

Unless I'm misreading and you're saying that Kogasa also thinks this about Nue.

YeS!

I really wish you would drop the RP.

What IS rP...?

[W]

When my brain looks at Soga's posts it just decides it's time to stop working. ._.

Miko: Town reads tend to be harder to explain then scum reads. I can't really pull out things in posts and go "This is why she's townie" like I can with scum. :S It's also meta-related due to who the player is and I try to talk about meta as little as possible in anonymous games, even if I knew who the player was since before the game hit triple digit posts.

As for Yuyuko, Reimu's post on her pretty much covers what's horrible about her! I couldn't state it better myself. Reimu kind of loses me after that, but, you get some you lose some.

Okay how about Nue instead. I'll start reading from game start! Wheeeeee, let's go.

I don't know exactly how to describe what I don't like about her Yoshika vote. It's lazy? "I find your speech silly. #vote". She gets a little more out of it after but I guess she calls it a half and then when it's later but then-okay nevermind I'm moving on to something I can talk about.

Oh wait.

Actually Yoshika, I was voting you only to get you to be a little clearer on your case and push. I wasn't very confident that you were scum, and I didn't think the wagon would come to a lynch either once town starts getting scummier reads.

So that's why it didn't feel all that sincere :V

later there's a mamizou vote that seems... really similar to how the Yoshika vote went down, honestly. This is the response about it later.

@Marisa, Sanae: Yesterday when I voted Mamizou I was doing other stuff, and so I didn't read the thread too closely. I just happened to notice Mamizou keeping on pressing the Reimu vs Yuyuko case in an unrelated, non-contributive way, and recalled that she had been posting but never really produced real content, so I started on her. Today I did a proper reread and saw Youmu's scummy behaviours, so I decided to agree with the bandwagons. I usually just start a new reply and jot down things I notice while I read, so sorry for cramming my unnecessary town/null reads in there.

This feels weird and like she sort of plopped down her vote on Mamizou to have a vote down somewhere. It's like... here she gives a reason, but it's like, what's the point? Maybe that's not the right way to put it. It feels... off.

...

Admittedly the initial Mamizou vote was a kind of survival tactic derived from the fact that people dislike players without scumreads. At the time I had little enough time and enough distractions to keep me from getting a good look on everything going on in the thread.

* Kogasa headdesks

okay so apparently it was

Previous to this, she cheerleads the Youmu wagon (Although admittedly Youmu was L-2 so it wasn't really a good time to vote her)

Ahhhhhh. Did Nue ever explain WHY she's voting Soga...? :S

This is incredibly unorganized and actually didn't really go anywhere. Somehow, I feel like I'm reading over a post I made over a year ago. I haven't felt like this when posting in forever. My conclusion in Nue is... I don't know what the heck is going on with this woman? It seems like every time she votes, she doesn't explain it, then comes back later with an explanation and a "By the way this vote wasn't very serious", and I'm just all ??????????.

I like voting Yuyuko because I know that I don't like her, I know what I don't like about her, and I know that she needs to die. It's so simple. It's not confusing to me.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Yeah, no Jesters in this game, sorry. Mod-confirmed. Also, advertising as bastard game as not being bastard would be a massive dick move reserved for the likes of Conqueror and I wouldn't do that. This set-up is pretty sane as far as I'm concerned.

27 hours left, no change in votals.

[Kick Hopper]

because im totally confused when reading kogasas posts.... kogasa what are your scum reads atm?

[W]

Yuyuko > ....uh

I can't properly read Soga whenever I try, Nue is TOTAL CONFUSION but I guess I'm leaning towards scum?, and I can't decide whether I actually want to lynch Yoshika or not.

Wow it sounds really bad when I put it that way ;_;

I totes want to lynch Yuyuko though.

[OOO]

pro-dodge while i eat and catch up

[W]

...I forgot futo existed

[Skull]

So my opinion of the thief's first day is that I could have saved myself some time and boredom and simply taken the yamabiko at her word. There was little justification for morphing her vote for the gardener from lighthearted fun to serious accusation and even less information presented that enabled me to discern who else she did not like. Were I to judge based on what seemed to be her primary focus I would have guess she would have opened the day pointing fingers at the Hakurei maiden, really.

This situation is truly vexing. I am having a hard time differentiating between my poor wife and the thief. Both had incredibly lackluster first days, both voted for the gardener for weaker reasons than many around them at reasonable scum vote placement times, but I think both have had substantially better second days. I see much more effort from each of them.

So I think I will try this instead.

##Unvote
##Voye: Miyako Yoshika

Claiming her vote was a neophyte kickstarter is unacceptable. Not only do I highly doubt that the Hakurei maiden required that vote to be pushed to the point she is, but it means Miyako-chan went almost half of our allotted time this day without a voteworthy scumread. And now we are nearing the end of the second day and her vote is down on the umbrella mainly for reasons that stem from the early hours of the first day, reasons that have been discussed, discussion Miyako-chan has made no effort to acknowledge. I cannot imagine she places very much stock in her contradiction accusation regarding the umbrella finding both herself and the gardener suspicious, given she is giving the shapeshifter, who did basically the exact same thing, an ally pass; clearly making such a contradiction cannot be such a strong enemy tell if an ally does it as well. I also cannot imagine she refers to the umbrella's vote for the ghost princess in the all-encompassing accusation of voting those that attacked the Hakurei maiden in those wee hours, as her vote for the ghost princess today looks more substantiated than that.

Miyako-chan seems very disconnected from the game at large, offering very little in the way of opinions of the major suspects today and scant justification for those opinions that do exist. This dearth of content from someone that spends many post discussing how she "wANt Many poSTIng" is just as unacceptable as the excuse for the vote for the Hakurei maiden, especially when she still does not have a strong opinion on Kaku-san and wants to read more of the ghost princess. How long could it possibly take to reread the ghost princess, anyway? Maybe ten minutes? It is also worth noting that, much in the same vein as my dear wife's first day, she called for opinions from the thief, opinions that are given and then are never acknowledged.

I now believe that this is our active lurker enemy. Everyone remembers her for her spastic and unique posting style, but she has spent her time voting for people unlikely to get lynched, tunnelling on early behaviours without acknowledging their explanation, and demanded much input from the rest of the game while contributing extremely little herself.

[OOO]

...I forgot futo existed

seems likely, since you ignored the question i asked of you.

want to see where kogasa goes with her posts today before passing judgement on her, especially a followup on this statement and how youmu's flip affects her reads:

Apart from Yoshika/Nue, I have zero interest in lynching anyone else who currently has a vote on them, and I want Youmu's flip before deciding more how I feel about either. Would be sunshine and happiness if Yuyuko was lynched, but I'm also totally happy with Youmu lynchings, so sunshine and happiness anyway! Hooray! I also think that Marisa is town and Youmu's Raw Potato claim is bs for :reasons:.

...seriously is it the all lowercase, does it make people ignore me? maybe i need to post a bit LOUDER, EH? IT IS HARDER TO IGNORE ME NOW, YOU SANCTIMONIOUS DAUGHTERS OF  PROGRAMMING JAPANESE DRUNKARDS?

I LIKE THIS, LET'S TRY IT OUT FOR NOW.

KOGASA, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE HANDLING YOUR VOTE ON YUYUKO WITH ~24 HOURS LEFT IN THE DAY. GIVEN THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY VOTE ON HER AND YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO MAKE A CASE (FFS YOUR CASE IS YUYUKO OBVBAD + REIMU SHEEP) TO SHOW WHY YUYUKO IS A BETTER LYNCH THAN ANY OF THE OTHER SUSPECTS YOU'RE CONSIDERING, I DON'T GET THE FEELING YOU CARE THAT MUCH ABOUT THIS LYNCH. YOU HAVEN'T ADVANCED YOUR YUYUKO CASE BEYOND WHAT'S BEEN PLAINLY VISIBLE TO ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS IN THE THREAD ALL DAY, SO I DON'T THINK THAT YOU THINK OTHER PEOPLE WILL BLINDLY SHEEP YOUR VOTE WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS LAID OUT CASES ON THEIR MAIN SUSPECTS. SO TELL US WHY WE SHOULD LYNCH YUYUKO TODAY INSTEAD OF THE OTHER SUSPECTS.

AND A FOLLOWUP, LET'S SAY YUYUKO ISN'T LYNCHED TODAY. WHO WOULD YOU VOTE INSTEAD? AS OF NOW YOUR LATEST POST ALLOWS YOU TO JUMP ON A NUMBER OF CONSOLIDATION WAGONS AT THE END OF THE DAY WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION.

SPEAKING OF THAT, IF YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL TOWN READ ON MARISA SPIT OUT THE REASONS FOR WHY YOU HAVE A TOWN READ ON HER, EVEN IF IT IS META. IT'S EASY TO GO "YEAH THIS PERSON IS TOWN" AND DEFEND THEM FOR NO REASON AT ALL IF YOU'RE SCUM; I WANT TO SEE IF YOU'RE THE REAL DEAL.

other stuff coming afterwards.

[Skull]

Futo-chan reminds me of something that had slipped my mind while I composed that message. I am not satisfied with the umbrella's explanation for the firm declaration of the ally status of the thief. It is one thing to hold the opinion that someone is your friend; it is quite another to declare it so strongly. I want you to forgo the excuses of difficulty and attempt to explain where you are coming from. Point to specific things the thief has said or done. Even if you still cannot fully explain it, you will at least give the rest of us that do not necessarily believe a launching point from which we may reconsider our stances.

Futo-chan, does this mean you do indeed have a Shift key? I am most pleased! As I no longer need to purchase a new keyboard for you, this will save us money for the tasty modern treats the three of us have found so marvelous.

[W]

Futo:well I talked about how Youmu's flip affected my Yoshika read

With Nue there's probably stuff I forgot about when I was actually rereading her apart from the cheerleading part that in hindsight she couldn't have really voted Youmu then anyway.

Also, really, there's nothing more to say on Yuyuko then things I've already said and what Reimu's said. Yuyuko has done -extremely- little to call out in the first place.

As for a non-yuyuko lynch; it'd come down to Nue or Soga I guess...? Unless a Yoshika wagon picked up after Miko's latest post on her.

Those 4 are basically the worst looking people on the list of players this game, so I don't really mind that. Okay, actually I still need to read Soga, I just haven't managed to not completely space out the moment I look at one of her posts or a case on her. Out of the those three I'd go Yoshika>Nue>Soga I suppose. I actually seriously should reread -you-, since forgetting you exist isn't a good sign :c

Will try to cobble together something about Marisa in a minute.

Futo-chan, does this mean you do indeed have a Shift key? I am most pleased! As I no longer need to purchase a new keyboard for you, this will save us money for the tasty modern treats the three of us have found so marvelous.

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(she might only have a caps lock, though)

[Kaku Seiga]

Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion man.

When I said I didn't feel like responding to your case yesterday, I meant that.  I knew responding to it would mean starting a lot of shit with you and to just go ahead and throw it out like I'm some god awful scum of the earth because I wanted to chill one night is so shitstunningly bad I don't know what to say.  Oh, I do actually it goes like this:

Where do you lack conviction?

However, as was agreed on by several others at this point, the voteswitch is less so. As more people showed up to stand by Miss Yoshika, the persuing of the vote turned more and more into refusal to let go of said vote -- eventually leading to the switch, since the wagon potential was not there as it was during the initial casting of the vote.

This is the part where you subtly take popular opinion to hype up your post a bit and it leaves the part where you vote her a bit reportery.  No I'm not asking you to be all townie macho look at this strongarm shit.  Don't be stupid. 

I'm going to do more than humor you.  You know why your vote was the weaker of everyone's is because you rode out your reasoning on why Youmu needed to die is because the blank unvote on Sanae was bad and that was the best conviction you had.  The rest of the day is pokes at others and when she does get a real vote your vote is discredited.  You don't acknowledge this.  You instead respond to her other pokes like why she was discrediting me and that you were unimpressed with her defense which is tantamount to a throwaway comment.
"and every other weak-looking voteswitch was supertown in comparison."
It doesn't all have to be super town in comparison but yours is worse.  Don't play stupid with this.

I'd like to think I'm not drivillingly incompetent, because I'm pretty sure this is a snipe at Reimu:

Miss Reimu, you're quite vocal for one who claims to be fatigued. Will we have the pleasure of seeing you take direct action in solving this incident, or will this sightseeing last long?

And this

No more of this for the rest of the game. It's WIFOM-y and wrong to say the least.

or this.

Being right about something doesn't make one town, my sincerest apologies. In this case, Miss Kogasa's act of defending you may be "right" but it is also non-contributory and an easy way for scum to get away with posting. I see why people are interested in this lynch. Personally, I want to hear more from Miss Kogasa first.

I don't know about everyone else but I'm pretty sure when you call someone out for being wrong or false clearing themselves, you're casting some suspicion at them.  I'm just fucking saying. This is when she also says she sees why people would want to lynch Reimu.  That clearly isn't opposing the lynch.  It sounds to me like she is almost going along with it right?
You could have fucking fooled me in saying that you were actually townreading her.  Yeah, saying that someone is wrong and you aren't opposing their lynch is exactly what townreading someone in a post looks like.

So can you point out what made Youmu's defense bad and why Reimu is a townread now or are you just going to bitch about why you weren't doing it an hour to deadline and leaving it there?

It's damning that I can't take a night to reread someone and that I didn't consider them town in the ticking time before deadline.  But.  Didn't you just use that as your defense as to why you didn't point out the holes in Youmu's defense and why you didn't townread Reimu?
Whoa.
Get the fuck out.
I'm not going to sit there and pander to people I think are wrong on someone I'm currently scumreading when the timer is close to ending.  Yes Reimu had a very bad action that I thought was worthy or being counter wagoned to but Jesus Fucking Christ.  You're going to sit there and tell me that after you type up a big case on Marisa and are ready to push her off a cliff it's alright to drop her now because you're damn sure I'm flipping scum?  Nevermind that people can have multiple scumreads but by your twisted logic I should be able to now hold this against you because you didn't wait for Marisa's defense and therefor aren't damn sure she's scum before you voted and decide to drop her.  Seriously, that's all I can make of this line:

Seiga's explanation of her Reimu stance isn't faulty but at the same time it's damning that she had to wait a night to settle that Reimu might be town despite everything when she's been denying that during D1. You normally make sure you're sold about X not being town before you push X off a cliff, and this reconsideration is something that should have happened yesterday (let's not forget that reimu was being called town by several). Weighing in here is also the fact that her vote on me is flawed for reasons already stated. This is where my vote goes if it isn't Marisa.

But since you already admit to why your day 1 was bad due to laziness, let's let this bombshell fly.

Seiga. When town sees someone calling their vote bullshit they either prove them wrong or reconsider their stance.

Maybe I didn't feel like typing this wall yesterday like I already explained.  No, it has to be one or the other but it's ok for you to be lazy so I should let you off the hook for that?  Why should I?

I will make the response to Toziko in another post since this is enough for now.

I don't feel like respond to Toziko right now, my apologies madam.

Blatantly ignoring.  Watch out folks, stud alert.  I was ignoring her so hard.
I don't know Toziko.  Does justifying my vote mean responding to your wall because it's now here and we can keep voting you once this justification becomes published soon. 
I'm dumbfounded you're- oh wait a minute I"m not.  You already said you didn't try day 1 due to laziness but we better call up the witch hunt for me when I told you twice that I would respond to you later but you don't give a fuck (or can't read) and try to use this to the fullest extent as to why I need to perish at the cross for this.
Lack of reaction when I haven't even posted one?  PLEASE.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough earlier in regards to her Reimu stance. The problem isn't reconsidering reads overnight. The problem is not doing so when you wanted to swing the damn wagon from someone you also thought was scum.

Yeah here's a thought.  You weren't clear enough.  In fact the logic before this was so bad before you elaborated further as I already pointed out in this post that I didn't consider it to be a real attack.  Why would I consider if someone is town when people are giving weak townreads and Reimu is sitting there throwing up a big red flag in my opinion that screamed: "Look at her fucking reaction towards Youmu.  Youmu might flip town and she's trying to set herself up to look better when she does.  Man you better get on that!"
I'm going to apolgize for listening to the words of a confirmed town.  Fuck me for doing that during the night. 
But please, where did I say she was fine and dandy?  I gave her a null read since I could see where part of her came from town motivation.  Did I write her off like I haven't seen any of her actions this game and she's a blank slate to me?  Again, don't be stupid.

Feeling this stronger than Marisa, but my thoughts there are more or less unchanged. No, I do fully expect you to post your thoughts on something instead of dryly stating faults and waiting for a reply if they're enough for a vote a day later while staying exactly the same. Nue's response wasn't much of anything, so I don't see how that'd give you a clear green light to anything if it wasn't there before. Also relevant is how your end-all reason for voting her is lack of reads when it was a recurring theme during the entire game so far. You could have chatted about Nue's uselessness on D1 too but you didn't, because a wagon was happening and you were content with that. You're doing it now because it's useful to getting a wagon going.

Since this is mostly just a really roundabout way of calling me opportunistic in 50+ words to make it look like a better point let me say that when I have someone sheeping the case of someone I think is scum I'm not all that inclined to bash the ever loving fuck out of them for having what I perceive as the correct read even if the content as a whole is mediocre.  I should be letting her slip by with lack of reads when the whole game is doing that?  Negative.  Here's a thought.  Maybe Nue is actual maf lord and not this embodiment of town you keep trying to make her out to be.  Seriously, what the fuck is this?

Notable is that Nue is also guilty of sheeping the case when I specifically told people not to. You explained your stance to some degree but I have no idea where that ranks up with Seiga or Marisa, the latter of which you expressed more dislike at recently. In fact you've posted a lot more on other people.  Just because I'm the other wagon doesn't mean your vote belongs there, sis. I have faith in you (already stated that i like your opinions today) so actually look around and change that vote. And town have nothing to :ohno: about from wagons, so you should act accordingly.

First off I think you're still townreading Nue, in whichcase this opening of this paragraph looks like you're fosing her so I really don't know.  Next, why are you appealing to her without logic and just, "you need to vote elsewhere dear, nevermind what your scumreads or what you're thinking is."

I'm pointing out reasons your play is different from mine, actually. You would reach the conclusion that I was comparing our play if you only read the last sentence. Apparently that's enough to go on and accuse me of deflecting, though. What the hell? This would be the only thing you brought up against me too, since you rightly concluded that all else you're doing is sheeping to cases. I'm fully expecting people to give her hell for this when she finds it enough to justify a switch (since apparently it's enough to rank me above Yoshika).

I actually don't know what part of what this is addressing so point this out again please.
Re: you threatening Yoshikia.  Maybe she could be reading actual case and could be voting right.  Why she has to just be horribly ignorant for fosing you is just lashing out with ATE.

tl;dr  Let's lynch this fucker.

[W]

I do have to admit the little bit of Soga's Seigawall I managed to parse made me go "uhhhh I can't agree with any of this and some of it even feels rather misreppy". So I guess I have somewhat of a basis to actually not like her? But I'd be pulling stuff out of my ass if I actually said I have good reason to think she's scummy.

Nue/Soga/Yoshika/Futo/Yuyuko are the only people I don't have town reads on, TBH.

As for Marisa; I reread her, all I have to say is that for who the player is, I think it looks like a town game. I can't really think of anything else to it. The one actual point I can make is that in the last few pages Marisa's play has been getting a whole lot better.