Author Topic: Angel Beats! Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Win (Read 80129 times)

Conqueror · « **Reply #1140 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:38:50 AM »

Quote from: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 03:22:54 AM

a) He's good enough not to all-in 2 mislynches in a row while being confident that both would flip scum. It reminds me exactly of Shadoweh/UK in Graveyard.

>_>
Ignoring the fact that I have, in fact, done this before as town, this is a stupid argument because I was town and I was wrong. If you say I'm scum for the way I went about it, give it a go, but saying I'm scum because I was wrong twice while thoroughly convinced I was right is just rubbing salt into my wound, thank you very much.
(Also the case on Youmu was not "being wrong;" it was the way she pushed her lynches and picked on the most irrelevant of scumtells while defending her buddy Reg Shoe. Mafia is not arithmetic; it's more elegant, like a math proof.)

What you call "token questioning" is in fact how I probe people for motivations and clarifications. Otherwise I could just say "oh so and so is obvscum because I say so" and not bother to get their side of the story, neh?

Quote from: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 03:22:54 AM

Neither did Conq as of the post right above this one. it's a double standard that makes me again think of it being a token question.

I hadn't given any reasons yet because just the previous day I was thinking Neko!scum-->Dan!town you derp (and ftr that statement was made on the assumption that your little dance at the end of D3 was a coordinated quickhammer). BT, on the other hand, has been talking about Dan!scum for days, and he even made his Neko!scum case with the assumption that Dan was scum. Double standard, huehuehue. :V

Quote from: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 03:22:54 AM

And this is WAY out of context despite Conq's claims to the contrary. I'll go quote the relevant posts which are literally right on top of each other:

Where does "Quickhammer NekoNeko for the win guys" come into this in shape or form?

Actually, I've decided there are two scum right now, not three. So the quickhammering accusation is my bad, although I still think it's shady as fuck (I don't buy "X and X are confirmed scum" logic because a 3-person quickhammer is hard to organize). I apologize for the confusion.

Let's take the "quickhammering" accusation in another direction. Why did you vote Neko when you did when you thought of Bard as potential scum? Also, who did you think he was scum with; just curious?

Conqueror · « **Reply #1141 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:40:00 AM »

Scrap the very last question; saw that Dan answered it in his latest post. -.-

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1142 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:41:42 AM »

Votecount

Conqueror (0):
huh what (0):
ActionDan (0):
Affinity (0):
Bardiche (0):
BT (0):

Not voting: Conqueror, huh what, Affinity, Bardiche, BT

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

You have ~27 hours remaining.

Conqueror · « **Reply #1143 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:42:11 AM »

Actually, what I do want to know is this.
Dan, what do you think of BT? He's been calling you scum for days and yet your suspicions today were something like me/Bard? You haven't really said much about him.

Conqueror · « **Reply #1144 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:45:47 AM »

Quote from: ActionDan on July 14, 2012, 05:30:01 AM

stuff about no lynching

Considering the roulette wheel that is night actions, all of which are currently controlled by anti-town forces, I think we should try for a lynch before we go for the no-lynch option. Like I said: at least 50% of hitting mafia for any one person.

Conqueror · « **Reply #1145 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:49:54 AM »

EBWOP:
*50% chance.
*Considering that he's been calling you scum for days and yet you haven't really said much about him (you suspicions today were something like me/Bard?), I'd be curious to hear what you think about him.
Proof that I should copy-edit before I hit post.

Conqueror · « **Reply #1146 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:56:06 AM »

I swear this is the last one.

Quote from: Conqueror on July 14, 2012, 07:38:50 AM

Let's take the "quickhammering" accusation in another direction. Why did you vote Neko when you did when you thought of Bard as potential scum? Also, who did you think he was scum with; just curious?

Clarifying. It's LYLO. You think there are three scum so you obviously want to get it right. Your latest opinion before the Affinity SK claim was this:

Quote from: ActionDan on July 10, 2012, 07:32:13 AM

Also I believe we *should* lynch between BT Affinity. Ofc maybe Conq will dazzle the crowds with some Bard case. Also massclaim. kthx

So why did you want to vote Neko afterwards with what looks like a carefree attitude when you hadn't really mentioned voting him before? It doesn't look like you actually took the effort to distinguish within the Conq/Neko/HW triangle and just piled onto Neko because he had the votes on him.

Affinity · « **Reply #1147 on:** July 14, 2012, 01:19:10 PM »

I am indeed telling the truth that Kilga is a town tracker.

No lynch is a pussy option. >_>

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1148 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:54:25 PM »

rolename: Yuri Nakamura, Leader of the Afterlife War Front(Neighbour)
quicktopic name: The Principal's Office

dan, what's token about conq's "token questioning"? that sounds like a buzzword. if asking for elaboration means you're scum trying to sound like town asking for elaboration then i'm confirmed scum as of this post i guess

also how does that BT post you cited imply he didn't know we were neighbors? like, how could scum not fake that reaction incredibly easily, or even prepare to make it if they knew of the mason fakeclaim ahead of time? i don't think bard is scum but that strand of logic seems forced to me

agree with conq that i don't want to leave the outcome of the game up to anti-town night actions. keep in mind that yesterday was pseudo-lylo(?) when it probably shouldn't have been, meaning that there might even be a possibility for extra townie deaths which we're not even aware of (like, surprise beloved princess or something). only useful purpose i see in a NL is proving bard's role but he's probably town anyway

BT · « **Reply #1149 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:56:35 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on July 13, 2012, 09:34:14 PM

To explain why I find this direction you take to be rather Scummy: You are, in effect, proposing that my roleclaim is not authentic because I claimed my role instead of lying about it and fakeclaiming Vanilla.

So lying would be speaking truth, speaking truth is lying, Shadoweh isn't drunk and up is down?

That is scummy how? Roles affect how you play. You take your power into account in everything game-related you do when you have one. You didn't seem to act like someone that has a power and this explanation doesn't change my mind about that.

As it is, I don't want Conq lynched. The above along with Dan's Conq vote (following by a withdrawal) makes me doubt that lynch enough to not-go-there.

Speaking of which, Dan's withdrawal should be cementing his lynch if anyone had any doubts. "Conq is scum --> No Lynch is the best option" is what I'm referring to. Scum lynch is better than No Lynch, but that's besides the point. The majority thinks you're scum, stalling for a day won't change that because HW's very very likely NK won't change anyone's reads. If you're town you don't call no lynch, you change people's minds so that town won't lose via lynching you (worst case: via lynching you during the next day anyway).

##Vote ActionDan

Less than 12 hours woop woop

cut cut

BT · « **Reply #1150 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:57:20 PM »

Or not, because I forgot deadline was moved.

If people think it's too early then w/e,

Affinity · « **Reply #1151 on:** July 14, 2012, 03:44:52 PM »

Noise is poise with a porpoise.

ActionDan · « **Reply #1152 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:20:46 PM »

@Conq

Re: BT --> I've thought of him as likely town since I reread him D2. Specifically his late D1 + his convo with Shadoweh didn't read that bad. He was not a submissive wimp. His consistant tune of calling me a scum read seemed to develop mainly from my lack of presence, but It really does not read as an unnatural conclusion.

Re: Neko and other stuff. I wanted to lynch between Affinity BT because I was strongly assuming that with 3 scum 1 SK, the neighbors had a great chance of being town. so out of BT Affinity Bard, I was thinking Bard had the best chance of being town. Also I wanted to lynch Affinity. As for why I joined the Neko wagon, I thought that if you were Scum conq, your vote looked like a bus, and that a BT/HW/(Bard, Serela) was really unlikely. As to why I didn't vote one of BT/Serela, it's because both were town reads and I was uncomfortabe voting between them (though I would have voted BT if any).

But you are right, I really didn't care about Neko. I DID say I'd vote him as a 2nd choice after Affinity if you remember, but I didn't bother to do any serious rereading. I thought he sucked D2, sucked most of D1 besides later in the day, and his D3 was meh. I made the same more or less gut choice whoever was town with me on that wagon did.

Anyway those are MUCH better and understandable questions. The ones you asked before were banal. You made me flip my shit.

Something else: I have decided that with only 2 scum, the first major attack by Conq on BT is just something they as scum together wouldn't do. I know as much for being scum with conq in F11. it was a major attack and made BT into a target and it had the chance to take off. It would be way too risky.

So I don't think BT/Conq are scum together.

g2g now I have more to say later.

Well @HW: those early questions imo sucked ass.

ActionDan · « **Reply #1153 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:50:33 PM »

@BT:

why is no lynching worse than lynching scum or either losing instantly on a mislynch? yea that sounds silly, but elaborate. Also I realized that lynching scum today means Affinity get's a likely janitor shot tomorrow WHICH FUCKS US UP. because Affinity will obviously say he shot a townie and town can't lynch him.

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no lynch is a pussy option

Ya, well, my lynch is an automatic loss, and I'm thinking BT's is as well.

As for Conq, if my other post didn't say explictly, he's way better now.

BT · « **Reply #1154 on:** July 14, 2012, 08:23:46 PM »

Well at this point Affinity is being a >_< and a I don't see No Lynch raising our chances at all, only lowering them. I mean, for us to make use of NL, Affinity has to shoot scum (fun fact: he thinks I'm scum, so even if he wants to shoot scum he'll be shooting town :V) and scum have to act like they don't have a wincon. Like, seriously.

I swear to God if Affinity is scum playing Let's Find the Craziest Gambit I will extend that planned break of mine.

Are Bard and HW scum together, then, Dan?

BT · « **Reply #1155 on:** July 14, 2012, 08:28:39 PM »

By the way, I'm still thinking 3 scum, if it's relevant to anything ever anymore. Game starting with 2 scum sounds completely asinine.

Affinity · « **Reply #1156 on:** July 14, 2012, 08:31:51 PM »

Urgh, whatever.

##Vote: BT

Conqueror · « **Reply #1157 on:** July 14, 2012, 08:36:01 PM »

This game makes no sense.
BT, are you assuming Kilga scum then or what?

BT · « **Reply #1158 on:** July 14, 2012, 08:48:09 PM »

Yes. Like, I seriously can't see it otherwise, and if Kilga actually is town then it's game because 2 scum makes less sense to me than the game not being called at this point.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1159 on:** July 14, 2012, 09:32:46 PM »

Affinity wants to lynch scum today to win, though. There's no reason for him to hide a flip that would allow town to scumhunt more effectively.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1160 on:** July 14, 2012, 09:33:47 PM »

Conq, are you still leaning Dan lynch?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1161 on:** July 14, 2012, 10:57:02 PM »

Votecount

Conqueror (0):
huh what (0):
ActionDan (1): BT
Affinity (0):
Bardiche (0):
BT (1): Affinity

Not voting: Conqueror, huh what, Bardiche

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

You have ~12 hours remaining.

ActionDan · « **Reply #1162 on:** July 14, 2012, 11:06:59 PM »

Btw, you guys could not have name claimed scummier names, as all of you are the top 5/5 main characters from the anime

page 31 makes me think Conq + Bard are not scum together, could be a bus, but not feeling it.

Anyway I have a theory that Hw and Bard are, in fact, the remaining scum.

First, I think Rawr would have used that ability N1. he trolled Hw as claimed D1 so why would Rawr not not use his power N1 expressly to troll with another person.

Second, The kills N1 was an obvious signal that scum were going after PRs. But why kill Pesco over LLD

g2g more later.

ActionDan · « **Reply #1163 on:** July 14, 2012, 11:09:01 PM »

instead of killing the vocal player and roleblocking the no content lurker. Doc was lynched. people would have stil died.

=> LLD was wrong => Conq likely town.

3rd. I posit

Bardiche · « **Reply #1164 on:** July 14, 2012, 11:21:01 PM »

With 12 hours left and I'm about to go to bed, I guess I'll make my vote. Nothing Dan's done beside my last post to really change my mind. Latest posts seems to say "Rawr is Scum" instead of focusing on current gamestate which doesn't involve Rawr. I can't refute any arguments re: Rawr because I'm not Rawr.

##Vote: ActionDan as detailed here, I'm p. sure he's Scum. HW comes up clean on reread other than that I hate "lol I claim Scum" because it's goddamn annoying and I instinctively want to lynch anyone who claims Scum.

Interesting point re: names: Hinata and Yuri are BFFs in the anime and neighbours in the game. Obviously Kanade and Otonashi are (implied) lovers in the anime so real ones in the game. Is there a Kanade in the game? IIRC Affinity is Otonashi, too lazy to look back for a Kanade. Affinity do you have a lover pair? :derp:

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1165 on:** July 14, 2012, 11:24:48 PM »

Uh, LLD's play didn't really imply power role at all, especially after the gov fake. I would assume the roleblock was randed or something.

If they actually did think she was a power role then I don't have a solid idea for why they'd leave her alive over Pesco, but the obvious assumption would be that her reads were wrong. Of course that makes me look bad given who Pesco was voting but I seriously don't know what scum were thinking when they shot him so what am I supposed to say?

Bard cut: Pretty sure Conq claimed Kanade. Giving the Serial Killer a lover would be ridiculously uncool though (though to whom it would be uncool depends on the lover's alignment).

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #1166 on:** July 14, 2012, 11:27:51 PM »

Also ##Vote: BT

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #1167 on:** July 15, 2012, 12:00:42 AM »

Votecount

Conqueror (0):
huh what (0):
ActionDan (2): BT, Bardiche
Affinity (0):
Bardiche (0):
BT (2): Affinity, huh what

Not voting: Conqueror, huh what, Bardiche

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

ActionDan is at L-2.

BT is at L-2.

You have ~11 hours remaining.

Conqueror · « **Reply #1168 on:** July 15, 2012, 01:01:36 AM »

Quickposting. Changed my mind; want BT lynch over Dan, what with his vote on Dan attacking his "no lynch" stance of all things. Dan at least has been putting out more analysis today too, although much of it isn't very useful (seriously I already know I'm not scum with anyone -.-).
Think both of them are scum though; Dan's read of BT being town because of D2 reads like his defense of me when we were scum together.

Conqueror · « **Reply #1169 on:** July 15, 2012, 01:02:19 AM »

Also, yes, I am Tenshi. Best girl.
But no, I'm not a lover.