Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition

[fondue]

Spoiler:

and use MarisaA

HELL FUCKING NO SANAEB 4EVAR

[Sakurei]

am I the only one who still plays with ReimuA at this point? I mean, everyone's all over sanae. I can see why. she makes a lot of stages easier, can destroy nue's UFO's fairly well and isn't horribly weak.

Seiga, you are the only person I have ever seen who played with MarisaA :v just saying.

[I have no name]

Seiga, you are the only person I have ever seen who played with MarisaA :v just saying.

My first clear of UFO normal was with MarisaA on my first attempt with her  :V

[Chuckolator]

2/42 Gold Detector (90FPS) is disgraceful. Anything I can do that's better than read and dodge?

[Cor]

am I the only one who still plays with ReimuA at this point?

Of course not. She's the strongest, slowest, leanest, has the most precise shot and the longest and strongest bomb. Why not use her?

[Zengeku]

I believe they're talking about Extra mode in which SanaeB has a definite benefit over any other girl in the game. Not that ReimuA is a bad choice. She just makes the stage harder.

[chirpy13]

She just makes the stage harder.

Not to mention the spells with UFOs in them.  Unfocus SanaeB is pretty awesome for ufo popping.

EDIT: Oh, I see that was already mentioned earlier.  Oh well.

[Zil]

I'll disagree about Sanae being better for the Extra stage. Nue's UFO spells are already her easiest in my opinion, aside from the rainbow one, but she doesn't help much with that one since her advantage is mostly about killing them all at once. When she has to target one UFO at a time I think she's slower than Reimu, just as she takes longer to end spellcards. Stage-wise, those sets of large fairies are static and the part with the orbs moving around the edge should probably be bombed for UFOs anyway, so she doesn't help too much there either. Further, she'll take longer to kill Kogasa.

Of course not. [ReimuA is] the strongest, slowest, leanest, has the most precise shot and the longest and strongest bomb. Why not use her?

Her bomb is, in my opinion, the second-worst in the game (above Master Spark) because it slows you down and the absurd power is unnecessary.  She's still a good shot type (especially in extra), but I think SanaeB is the best for the main game. Of course, people were talking about MarisaA, which is all kinds of weird.

Sometimes you probably will get unlucky and the lasers will cross at the exact right distance above you to screw you over

That will never happen if you move up and down as Ichirin does. The distance from her at which the lasers cross is always exactly the same.

[fondue]

Well, what's you choice shot type for the extra stage then?

[BT]

Of course SanaeB isn't going to be the best shottype if you skirt around everything she trivializes. :l

[Zil]

Well, what's you choice shot type for the extra stage then?

ReimuA

Of course SanaeB isn't going to be the best shottype if you skirt around everything she trivializes. :l

What did I skip? The only part of the boss that she makes easier is the blue UFO spell. Red's trivial anyway, destroying UFOs is arbitrary in the green one, and she's worse at the rainbow one. Everything else should be harder by virtue of her lower damage and bigger hitbox.  The only element of the stage I didn't mention (that I remember anyway) are the orbs that fly at you with aimed bullets. I guess she does "trivialize" that, but again, it's trivial to begin with.

[Oh]

SanaeB is the best for Extra. You don't even have to memorize anything. Her spread and splash damage is delicious.

[BT]

I meant "deal with everything she trivializes" by... memorizing the stage or whatever else you suggested. SanaeB makes everything effortless so she's good!

[Sakurei]

may or may not be slightly offtopic, but I have a question regarding PoFV :v

which character is the most difficult to fight against? leaving marisa aside because I don't feel like playing bullshit laser :v
I feel like I need to improve lolrandomdodge skills, so yeah.

> wouldn't mind being told who's easiest, either. I do have to start somewhere.

[fondue]

Hardest IMO is Sakuya and Medicine
Easiest is Cirno and Mystia

[I have no name]

Seconding Sakuya and Medicine, though Shikieiki is up there too.

On the easy side, Cirno.  I have to disagree with Mystia being easy though-but Lyrica isn't that hard (and as an AI, Yuuka is easy to fight)

[Zil]

I meant "deal with everything she trivializes" by... memorizing the stage or whatever else you suggested. SanaeB makes everything effortless so she's good!

Very well. If you want to be lazy like that and not have to memorize anything.

I feel like I need to improve lolrandomdodge skills, so yeah.

If your goal is to practice random dodging, then I recommend fighting Komachi, Eiki, Yuuka, Aya, and possibly Merlin. Most notably Komachi. Otherwise, anyone who's "fun" to fight can probably teach you something.

Medicine is probably the hardest, though I don't think you can learn much by playing against her. Too much bullshit. Someone who's difficult without bs would be Eiki, Sakuya, maybe Reimu (she's kinda fucked up, but eh), and Komachi again. There are harder opponents (Marisa, Lyrica, Youmu, etc.) but they get pretty stupid with their EX attacks and curvy stuff.

Easiest is Yuuka, simply because she gets hit easily, though I assume you meant "easiest" strictly in terms of bullet patterns. In that case, Cirno, Reisen, Tewi, Aya, and Lunasa come to mind. The last two are probably a step above the others, but they boil down to lots of plain old streaming.

Just my opinions anyway.

[Chuckolator]

2/42 Gold Detector (90FPS) is disgraceful. Anything I can do that's better than read and dodge?

[K.B.]

Everything Zil said.

Also, facing Mari forced me to get comfortable with 45-degree movements/dodging, so I recommend keeping her on your list for that reason.

[crystalgreatsword]

I did EX-1 and EX-4. I plan on doing either EX-2 or EX-6 to unlock Spoiler.

I'm going to need extensive strategies and breakdowns of the patterns please. Thank you in advance.

I AM SO CLOSE TO SPOILER.

[Sakurei]

for gold detector: to my knowledge: nope. I don't think the bullets always fall the same way, so memorizing is out of the question and there's nothing else you can do about it. so yeah, it's read and dodge.

alright, thanks to all those who've contributed. I'll invest my time in that, then. :v inb4 10 minute matches with nothing happening.

spoiler stages: I guess you won't need any help for spoiler 1 :v if you do, then start over.
spoiler 2: it's simple. don't get hit. or photographed. the only way to make it easier is to be as far away from hatate as you can; that way, the bullets are less dense. they're still fast, though. well
spoiler 3: she's following you, so stay away as far as possible so that you won't get hit by her lense. if you can do that, the card is trivial. the bullets aren#t exactly dense :v
spoiler4: this one has a sort of stragedy do it, if you want so. go into the corner. once hatate starts up using her lense, move away from it. most bullets won't spawn, since they're offscreen, making the card trivial.
spoiler5: repeat spoiler 1 :v
spoiler6: stay far away, wait for lesne to have disappeared, take photo. repeat till end of card.
spoiler 7: she follows you. move around a lot, but make sure she's REALLY far away before she takes her shot. unless you want to die :v best is to get her into a corner or something. her lense goes 2/3 of the screen.
spoiler 8: she zigzags, and everytime she hits a wall, she'll take a photo. make sure no to get hit they can. take pictures of her while she's moving
spoiler9: read and dodge. use horizontal lense, or else getting successful shots is going to be horrible. stay mid-screen.

[Cor]

Gold Detector is 100% static.

[Elysia]

Okay, a few questions for MB Extra. I've figured out most stuff, but there's still a couple of spots I can't seem to do without the X key.

First of all, how do you do the stage portion, a few waves after midboss Mikoto, with the all-sides jellybean wall death fairies? I can kind of do it with SanaeA, because loads of power and virtue spheres, but I'd like to be able to do it with Reimu/Marisa's purely forward shots.

After that, I can do most of the stuff (except Bloom Star, lol) with at least some consistency...but then I get to the survivals.

How do you do the very last wave of Skylark (Reimu's non-Gathering Void survival) with the enormous cluster of purple arrowheads? I (think I) know the basic idea, but every time without fail, I move away from the center of the spawn point and get either clipped or trapped.

Also, both of Marisa's survivals. The first one is just AAAAAAHHHHHHH, and I don't really have a clue how to make a path for Gathering Void -Black- so that I actually see the bullets in time.

[I have no name]

Can't say for the survivals, but that part of the stage I know how to do.

What I do is stay in the middle of the screen, a little up and to the right, and swing around the first row before it gets to me.  No micrododging, just a dodge around a wall.  This works even after the fairies start showing up.

[Chuckolator]

how killing doll, any actual wrds of advice other than to avoid the blocks of red knives?

Another good question is, would anyone happen to know if it's possible to have rank less than max by the card without dying or bombing? <_<

[Seppo Hovi]

I think that the rank drops 0,03 per every dropped item. However, in order to outdo the affect from grazing (+0,06) and survival (+1 for every 30-or-so-seconds you remain unhitten), you must drop items and avoid graze pretty actively.

I'm not sure if timing out attacks has an effect, you could try that with the first cards.

[Chuckolator]

Ouch, that's a lot of graze. Probably a lost cause then, I guess that brings me to my original question of any tricks. <_<

[Bang Jan]

and I don't really have a clue how to make a path for Gathering Void -Black- so that I actually see the bullets in time.

Start in the Lower left corner, after the first wave, go into the upper left corner, after the second wave, go into the upper right corner, after the third wave, go into the lower right corner, after the forth wave, go back into the lower left corner, rinse and repeat!

[Zil]

Ouch, that's a lot of graze. Probably a lost cause then, I guess that brings me to my original question of any tricks. <_<

Aside from moving out of the way of the red clusters, you should try to stand in front of the areas that have the most green in them. Those are the knives (red or blue) that had their directions changed, so they'll scatter all over the place and you won't have many blue ones to deal with. Also stay under Sakuya as much as possible. I think the added risk of following her around is better than prolonging the spell any longer than you need to. Furthermore, knives which have already left the screen can't come back, so being closer to her makes the dodging a bit tighter, but once the knives pass you they go away. When you're far away from her, the knives will still be all around you when they stop and change direction again. Naturally, if you're trying to actively follow her, you'll want to misdirect the red clusters so that when you move out of their way you end up back under Sakuya, which means learning the timing of the time-stops and the spacing of the clusters.

[Chuckolator]

Everything there makes sense, but is there any  way to predict her movements so I know where to misdirect the reds? I had thought of that, but sometimes she'd move up and sometimes she'd go off to one side, making the action of misdirecting pointless because the chances of the reds going under her new position was the same regardless of what I did.