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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #360 on: August 05, 2012, 03:03:39 AM »
Nevermind I found it. You just need to break the broken before the items spawn and POC the items to get another border.
That's how you do it, but Kanon was also correct. Each spell you capture increases the value of the cherry items, so you need to capture enough of them.

And for that part in stage 3, I think if you memorize where the larger fairies appear and shoot them down instantly, you'll be fine. I'm not sure where walls could come from if you do that, though do make sure to keep swinging left and right to misdirect things. That stage is very Cave-like, as I recall.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #361 on: August 05, 2012, 03:47:41 AM »
You need to have captured 24 (or is it 26? can't remember) spells.

According to the wiki it's only 15 spell captures on lunatic, though. Probably because the higher amount of red butterflies.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #362 on: August 05, 2012, 03:52:30 AM »
According to the wiki it's only 15 spell captures on lunatic, though. Probably because the higher amount of red butterflies.
Yeah, correction - only 15 on lunatic (which is not that bad), and 24 on easy/normal/hard
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Strategy/Specific#Stage_6

I've never tried it though  :derp:
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #363 on: August 05, 2012, 04:48:47 AM »
What's the specifics behind that? Seems kind of arbitrary.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #364 on: August 05, 2012, 04:49:56 AM »
What's the specifics behind that? Seems kind of arbitrary.
The cherry items boost your cherry by 1000+(spells capture*100).  15 spells captured on lunatic brings it to 2500, which combined with the bullets is enough to reach 50000 for a border.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #365 on: August 05, 2012, 04:56:45 AM »
Is there actually a way to always 100% capture LFS in Touhou 12?   :3

I've reached it so many times now that if I just learnt how to capture it I'd be able to 1cc the game with ease.  :V

It seems to be partially static, maybe even learnable  :wat:, but different levels of damage will cause some phases to appear later/earlier.  I'll always get to either 3/4 power before it because of all the power dropped by Superhuman.

This is LFS on lunatic btw  :derp:  And with SanaeB.

It's pretty much as you say - doing the same actions at the same times will yield the same results every time. I have a route for Reimu A that pretty much guarantees a capture if I don't screw up. As for the red phase, it's very helpful to separate the bullets in your vision from those moving one direction from those moving another. If you try to parse them all at once you'll just die miserably.

As for different levels of damage, well uh...don't die? BV I dunno, I take that as an excuse to have fun with it.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, the waves are aimed at your position upon firing. Don't ask me exactly how they are aimed, but it's a safe bet that a ton of bullets eventually converge on the spot you are at when the wave is fired, so try and vary your vertical position between waves.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #366 on: August 05, 2012, 02:07:21 PM »
Marine Benefit Lunatic Stage 4 Final Spell. Am I missing something here? The spell looks easy but I think the amulets have larger hitboxes than they do in ZUN's games which of course makes it a lot harder simply due to the hitboxes being larger than they normally are.

Is there any trick to this or is it just raw dodging?

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #367 on: August 05, 2012, 05:02:30 PM »
Marine Benefit Lunatic Stage 4 Final Spell. Am I missing something here? The spell looks easy but I think the amulets have larger hitboxes than they do in ZUN's games which of course makes it a lot harder simply due to the hitboxes being larger than they normally are.

Is there any trick to this or is it just raw dodging?
Let's wait for Malky's timeout video!
I also think there is more than just sitting in the middle and waiting for death (I mean trying to dodge the aimed oversized amulets).
I'm very very interested to see the "strategy"

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #368 on: August 05, 2012, 08:18:33 PM »
Marine Benefit Lunatic Stage 4 Final Spell. Am I missing something here? The spell looks easy but I think the amulets have larger hitboxes than they do in ZUN's games which of course makes it a lot harder simply due to the hitboxes being larger than they normally are.

Is there any trick to this or is it just raw dodging?
They do have bigger hitboxes, it's not just you. Thankfully this is the only card in the entire normal game that uses amulets. (though there's a few more in Extra)

Anyway, here's my timeout of it. It's still cliptastic even with the method shown, because you have to read the card from all around your constantly moving character, but at least it's doable.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #369 on: August 05, 2012, 09:00:49 PM »
Okay, I almost 1cc'd MoF Normal. I died halfway through "Mountain of Faith." :V
This is what I need help with.

Stage 4
1) Wind God Hidden In the Leaves. The one time I captured it was by luck.

Stage 5
1) Grey Thaumaturgy. It's so claustrophobic that I feel like one tap of the keys could result in clipdeath.
2) Sanae's second non-spell
3) The Day the Sea Split. Can't figure out how often she fires and when I should re-stream.
(Most of Sanae's cards are super claustrophobic)

Stage 6
1) Miracle of Otensui. I call this "Kanako's Troll Card".
2) Pretty much all of Kanako's non-spells, especially the second one.
3) Mountain of Faith. Way I see it, it's just reflexes and macrododging, but it wouldn't hurt to get some pointers.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #370 on: August 05, 2012, 09:41:50 PM »
1) Wind God Hidden In the Leaves. The one time I captured it was by luck.
The bullets are coming towards the bottom in intersecting streams. Find a gap between two streams and sit there, maybe dodge a bit. Repeat every wave.
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1) Grey Thaumaturgy. It's so claustrophobic that I feel like one tap of the keys could result in clipdeath.
Yes, it is clippy. However, it also is somewhat static apart from the star positions, so you can memo it a bit. I would just bomb, though, since you get power right after it.
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2) Sanae's second non-spell
Move a bit higher on the screen, go around the "walls" by small movements.
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3) The Day the Sea Split. Can't figure out how often she fires and when I should re-stream.
I don't know MoF cards by name but I assume this is Moses miracle on normal. You should restream very often, always when the space in the direction you are moving to is about to stop growing.

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1) Miracle of Otensui. I call this "Kanako's Troll Card".
Stream. Make sure you do not have to move through arrowheads and rice at the same time by restreaming. You can bomb here, you get a lot of power after this one. Again I am not sure, assuming this is the penultimate one.
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2) Pretty much all of Kanako's non-spells, especially the second one.
First one is simple reading. You can stream the second one vertically with ReimuB, otherwise you have to turn after the red waves, I think. Again, not sure. Third one is wallshit, bomb it. Final one is easy but long. First phase, sidestep. Second, stream, third, dodge. Read two streams at a time on the third phase.
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3) Mountain of Faith. Way I see it, it's just reflexes and macrododging, but it wouldn't hurt to get some pointers.
It is easy. Just be calm and do not worry about having to move a lot from under Kanako. The card will be long, but that is about it.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #371 on: August 05, 2012, 09:51:33 PM »
I would just bomb, though, since you get power right after it.

Move a bit higher on the screen, go around the "walls" by small movements.

I don't know MoF cards by name but I assume this is Moses miracle on normal. You should restream very often, always when the space in the direction you are moving to is about to stop growing.

You can stream the second one vertically with ReimuB, otherwise you have to turn after the red waves, I think. Again, not sure. Third one is wallshit, bomb it.
Adding to this, I've played a lot more MoF than any other game.  Gray Thaumaturgy you should start directly under Sanae and line up with the gaps as they show themselves.  Her second nonspell, I go around the blue waves then move down and dodge through the gap in the reds.  Repeat.  Her 2nd spell (The Day The Sea Split) was a bombspam card for me until I figured out to dash, unfocused, up into the ) part before restreaming.  This is a very easy card once you know how to do it.

Kanako's nonspells are dodging, streaming (ReimuA and MarisaC can stream along the bottom), static walls (stay midscreen to dodge it, "just bomb" is bad advice in most cases though if you have resources do it for safety) and streaming again.

Miracle of Otensui can be 2-bombed easily, and you'll get the power back after.  If you're at 4 or 5 power, just use the 2 bombs.  Else, try to go for just 1 used.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #372 on: August 05, 2012, 09:52:53 PM »
How to do Byakuren's 3rd spellcard?

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #373 on: August 05, 2012, 09:53:43 PM »
How to do Byakuren's 3rd spellcard?
Stay under Byakuren to start.  You can either just move up and down to stream the stars, or dash sideways out of the way like I do.  I'd suggest trying both methods and seeing which you do better.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #374 on: August 05, 2012, 10:23:01 PM »
Stay under Byakuren to start.  You can either just move up and down to stream the stars, or dash sideways out of the way like I do.  I'd suggest trying both methods and seeing which you do better.
what about
the lasers


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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #376 on: August 05, 2012, 10:31:00 PM »
read and dodge.
no
too hard
would bomb everything but a certain tiger made me waste all my bombs

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #377 on: August 05, 2012, 11:33:56 PM »
How to do Byakuren's 3rd spellcard?

It's a bit hard to explain, but here's what I do. For one thing, the star bullets are all aimed at you, yes? So rather than thinking that you're dodging curvy lasers while avoiding star bullets, I think it's more productive to think of it as a streaming card with curvy lasers involved. What this means is that you want to be weaving back and forth regularly, though these weaves are short and you should never move from under Byakuren. While there's no single spot on the screen where you're safe from the curvy lasers, their arcs can be predicted, and you can move to avoid them as you move left and right to avoid the stars. My recommendation is to start at the middle of the screen and slowly move down as the curvy lasers require you to dodge.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #378 on: August 06, 2012, 01:13:27 AM »
Can some1 give me some tips about the Syou/Shou/UFO's 5th boss non-spellcard attacks? I think that I can read better her spellcards than that curved yellow lasers :P
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #379 on: August 06, 2012, 02:49:41 AM »
I have now 3 consecutive MoF Stage 5 1DNBs... All deaths were on Moses Miracle
Is there a better way to restream it? how often should you restream it? How big are the hitboxes? Thanks in advance

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #380 on: August 06, 2012, 04:52:13 AM »
I hate to ask when there are a few questions still unanswered, but I'm not that confident with either of those up there. <_<

Does anyone actually know how Flower Dream Vine works? It seems to cluster a lot, which shows it's not completely random.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #381 on: August 06, 2012, 04:54:48 AM »
I hate to ask when there are a few questions still unanswered, but I'm not that confident with either of those up there. <_<

Does anyone actually know how Flower Dream Vine works? It seems to cluster a lot, which shows it's not completely random.

Avoid the clusters and stay under Meiling. Try and circle around big clumps of bullets unfocused.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #382 on: August 06, 2012, 04:55:53 AM »
That's kind of what I'm doing already, but I'm curious if anyone actually knows how those clusters form and such. Any info is helpful info.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #383 on: August 06, 2012, 04:57:15 AM »
As far as I could tell, they form aimed around where you are then move in towards where you are from both sides.  They seem to come pretty evenly though, so moving back and forth seems to help.

I really don't know though.

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #384 on: August 06, 2012, 05:43:56 AM »
That's kind of what I'm doing already, but I'm curious if anyone actually knows how those clusters form and such. Any info is helpful info.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but it has both static and aimed elements. Bullets are formed around Meiling in a 5 pointed star formation, where the star is aimed at you in that you will lie in between two points of it. Bullets spawn in a "back and forth" movement, and I believe the bullets move in a similar way every time, based off of how the star is pointed at you. Honestly though, because of the density of the bullets in terms of how they spawn, I'm not certain about that. Even if there is a way to aim the cluster to make gaps easily appear, Meiling moves so randomly that any method to aim it would probably be more trouble than it's worth.

I have now 3 consecutive MoF Stage 5 1DNBs... All deaths were on Moses Miracle
Is there a better way to restream it? how often should you restream it? How big are the hitboxes? Thanks in advance
As far as I can tell, the knife hitboxes more or less match their sprite, and you can fit between knives rather easily. Their hitboxes are similar to the knives Youmu fires out in her second? non-card in PCB. As for restreaming it, if you're using Needle Reimu, you shouldn't need to restream it more than two or three times if you stay around the middle. I don't know if the "spread" of the knives are fixed (I don't think they are), but you really do not have to use exaggerated movements to beat it. I find that smaller movements are always preferable because you will rarely encounter multiple waves with spreads small enough that you cannot just tap a little to the side and avoid the whole cluster. Just do a little dash and back when you are about to hit the "sea".

Can some1 give me some tips about the Syou/Shou/UFO's 5th boss non-spellcard attacks? I think that I can read better her spellcards than that curved yellow lasers :P
First non-card: The waves come one at a time, so it just read and dodge this one. Alternatively, you can try hugging the "walls" of the first wave of lasers that come down at the bottom of the screen. I do not believe that the other yellow wave will hit that spot, but the red ones sometimes will, so you'll have to use your own discretion for when to bomb.
Second non-card: I really have no good advice for this one. On hard and lunatic at least, the time between waves will shorten, so it's better to clear this card fast. You can make it easier to dodge by moving to a corner on the opposite side of Shou, but that might come back to bite you as the "cooldown" time shortens.
Third non-card: It's the easiest out of all of her non-cards. Find a spot in between the purple lasers and dodge the green lasers vertically. After a little bit of practice the whole thing should become cake.

Stage 6
2) Pretty much all of Kanako's non-spells, especially the second one.
Adding on to what noname and Seppo said about the non-spells, the second one is completely aimed at you, and can be easily done on Normal. Stay in the center of the screen, let two waves fire at you, and after you hear the second wave completely fire, dodge to the side a little bit, but stay in the general area of the center. Basically you want to let 2 waves fire at you, then dodge, and repeat. Don't dodge every wave and don't go to the corners to redirect. Those are much harder to pull off, I think.
As for the third one, it's static or something based on her position, but what I do know is that you can handle it every single time by moving in a counter-clockwise formation around the center. The rate at which you have to move varies by difficulty, and is something you'll have to get a feel for by yourself, unfortunately.
And for the fourth one, it's basically all streaming, save for the green wave, which can be dodged by basically sticking really close to the big bullets. There are blindspots between two of the green "walls".

How to do Byakuren's 3rd spellcard?
nintendonut and noname basically hit this one on the head. You can't get around reading and dodging the lasers, sorry. The only thing I have to add is that, as donut mentioned, the stars are precisely aimed at your location, but the stars all move at the same speed, so if you dodge this one vertically, you need to keep in mind that the stars fired from the upper two lotuses will pass through their aimed location a little bit after the other two stars will, so try not to move up if you're streaming downward. You'll more than likely hit those two stars.

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #385 on: August 06, 2012, 01:53:54 PM »
I didn't realise I was rather dumb in dealing with Aya in MoF...

Does anyone have any idea how to do Crossroads in Heaven? I don't understand the logic behind it. Thank god crystalgreatsword asked about her second card.

Also I realised I need help in Hina's Broken Amulet. Anyone know how to do that spell card too? I also don't understand its logic too.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #386 on: August 06, 2012, 05:08:44 PM »
Hina's Broken Amulet :
Watch for the small walls of bullets, read them early to avoid getting walled. Use vertical movement, it helps a lot here.

Crossroads in Heaven :
Go up at the beginning, dodge there and move down when needed. I usually bomb this one, though, so not sure if there's a better tactic.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #387 on: August 06, 2012, 10:34:42 PM »
Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual.

This spell card is on the verge of driving me to tears. I cringe whenever I reach it.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #388 on: August 07, 2012, 01:23:06 AM »
It's quite hard for something on Normal difficulty. The knives are aimed at you so what you'll want to do is to avoid the knives by moving out to the sides while avoiding the other bullets.

You can have a look at this ancient vid of mine to see how to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xr_L48DY8M (start at 1:00)

You can also do it like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic9irVbmWMQ but I wouldn't recommend it.


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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #389 on: August 07, 2012, 12:38:58 PM »
You can also do it like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic9irVbmWMQ but I wouldn't recommend it.
^Looking at that video, are there actually 2 sets of red knives, with one aimed to the left and one to the right of you? Because I always see that space between them ._.