Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition

[Massaca]

Is there some sort of repeating pattern? I mean, like, maybe it repeats every three waves or something. I'll be a bit surprised if ZUN actually made a new unique wave all the way up to the end...

If you want a replay, this might [see attachment] help for the first and second but probably not for the end. I did it a couple days ago but I tried to show where to be clear enough and at the end you should be able to do a little sooner but I wanted to show that little bit after. I have one that goes one and a half waves longer but it isn't as clear, it's with Youmu & Yuyu (my first clear of it actually, with them, second total). May as well chuck it up too.

I'm terrible at explaining things but I'll try to for the first streaming bit.
Try to watch the bullets coming from the right. For the first at almost halfway, try to be just in front of it so that the two coming from the left miss you then watch for the next two coming down from the right and either speed up a bit or slow down.
And that's about all I can really explain lol. Good luck with it.



Actually, whilst I'm here, on IN Spell 222's 4th wave (before the big spiral one) is there a way to do it safely? Furthest I've gotten so far is the 6th one (the first new addition) and only twice in 21 tries but up til there that 4th wave the one that hits me a lot of the time. Specifically dodging the ones that shoot inward until it shoots out. It can't just be purely dodging skill since it's static, right?
If it matters I'm using Youmu&Yuyu.

[I have no name]

4th wave of Yukari's last word has 2 strategies, a safespot I never use, and staying centered until the bullets reach the white circle before moving to the bottom and dodging a bit. (from the bottom middle, slightly to the left).  That's how I do it anyway.

[PMW]

Are Orin's Ghost Wheels aimed? And if so, how exactly? Is there a path that always works for dodging the ghost wheels? I want to reduce the amounts of bombs I use on that spell on SA ultra lunatic, and I always get hit stupidly by those things. (I don't care about the little bullets all I want to know is how exactly the ghost wheels work).

[Random]

Are Orin's Ghost Wheels aimed? And if so, how exactly? Is there a path that always works for dodging the ghost wheels? I want to reduce the amounts of bombs I use on that spell on SA ultra lunatic, and I always get hit stupidly by those things. (I don't care about the little bullets all I want to know is how exactly the ghost wheels work).

They alternate with them being aimed at you and aimed around you.

[Zil]

They alternate with them being aimed at you and aimed around you.

I'm pretty sure every one is aimed a bit to the right of you, though not so far right that they miss. At least, I played the stage once and sat still on that spell while using bombs, and every wave of rings was aimed to the same spot. I've also heard it said that they are fired in sets of two. I don't think that's true, but is rather an illusion caused by their slow movement. When you move out of the way as one is about to reach you, the next has already been aimed. Can't promise it's the same with the ultra patch (which may have been what Random was referring to, now that I think of it.)

[crystalgreatsword]

How to dodge the last phase of Miko's last card (Normal)?
I can dodge everything perfectly until that last phase.

[Kaze_Senshi]

Sup guys, any tips to dodge:

• Kanako's first non-spell attack
• Kanako's spell card that she uses blue spheres and red aimed knives. I think that is something like Sakuya's misdirection spellcard but I can't see how to dodge this one without die

[Elysia]

How to dodge the last phase of Miko's last card (Normal)?
I can dodge everything perfectly until that last phase.

Best way to handle it is to watch the health bar, and stop shooting just before it gets to that phase. Then, when you're standing still just barely under Miko, shoot. I find dodging down during that card gives more room than dodging up, as long as you don't move too quickly.

Sup guys, any tips to dodge:

• Kanako's first non-spell attack
• Kanako's spell card that she uses blue spheres and red aimed knives. I think that is something like Sakuya's misdirection spellcard but I can't see how to dodge this one without die

Kanako's first nonspell is just read and dodge, unfortunately.

As for Misayama: it's her hardest spellcard on Normal, by far, so if you have to bomb don't worry about it. The easiest way I've found for actually dodging it is demonstrated in video here; you find a path through the circle bullets (their hitboxes are smaller than they look), then dodge the aimed knives across the screen (I don't run out of room in the video, but if you do, moving up is actually pretty safe as far as the knives are concerned). Fair warning though: while this way involves easier dodging than the "proper" way of doing it, it takes forever to kill the card this way. All I can say is good luck.

[FCornic]

(Nevermind, Malky solved it before me)

[Karisa]

OK, any advice for Charming Siege from All Sides?

And while I'm asking, how about Double Black Death Butterfly?

[Reiko]

Cranberry Trap is trolling me at each attempt of EoSD Extra.
I can't figure out any strategy other than "try to stay under Flandre, don't get walled on the top/bottom of the screen, pray, bomb".
Any tips for it ? Even a way to only use one bomb would be nice.

Also, Catadioptric.
It's just "read and dodge" without anything else to know ? (I suck at reading diagonal bullets...)

[BT]

Wrong thread.

[MTSranger]

Cranberry Trap is trolling me at each attempt of EoSD Extra.
I can't figure out any strategy other than "try to stay under Flandre, don't get walled on the top/bottom of the screen, pray, bomb".
Any tips for it ? Even a way to only use one bomb would be nice.

Also, Catadioptric.
It's just "read and dodge" without anything else to know ? (I suck at reading diagonal bullets...)

Cranberry trap - memorize a route or smthing.
The pink wave aims to the center, the blue wave aims to you.
I basically "stream" vertically. Move down through pink, but don't go the bottom. Then, pass blue wave.
Then move up above the next pink and blue wave and repeat again.

Catadioptric.
Around 1/4 of the way from the corner you can avoid the bigger bullets of wave 1.
Then move a bit right to avoid wave 2 (dodge under the one that bounces from the right).
Then dodge the 3rd wave (vertical ones) at the very right side of the screen.
Then move back to 1/4 from the right corner and at the bottom to dodge wave 1 again.

Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22827
The stage, besides royal flare (which is done in a highly reliable method), is total disaster as I attempt to flail around for point items.
The death to starbow and bomb in attwbn is also bad. Maze of Love was not meant to be done like that either...
You should be able to see my method for cranberry and catadioptric well enough in the replay though.

[Chuckolator]

Will trade secret behind Kasumi's rainbow card for a clue on how to capture this monstrosity.

Searching says Malkyrian asked the same thing two weeks ago, no response. Wonderful <_<

[Seppo Hovi]

OK, any advice for Charming Siege from All Sides?

Cross your fingers for good RNG. Read bubbles 4 or 6 at a time, just trust the walls. What is your shot and target score? If you are aiming for some lower target like plain 1b on a good shot, you can fail the card. But I believe you know not to end the card during a border, that's pretty much all.

And while I'm asking, how about Double Black Death Butterfly?

Use a border cheese. Make it so that you gain the border from the latter cherryitems gained from perishing the non before it. Wait for Yukari to shoot the butterflies and go hug her. After that use the border invincibility frame for cancelling the knives, move down and finish the card when she is firing the next set. Watching a WR should help.

[MTSranger]

Will trade secret behind Kasumi's rainbow card for a clue on how to capture this monstrosity.

Searching says Malkyrian asked the same thing two weeks ago, no response. Wonderful <_<

I went and found out how to capture that rainbow card...
Mikoto still no luck. There MUST be a way to capture this......

[I have no name]

Will trade secret behind Kasumi's rainbow card for a clue on how to capture this monstrosity.

Searching says Malkyrian asked the same thing two weeks ago, no response. Wonderful <_<

Secret please.

At least on hard mode, the red bullets slow down enough to be escaped before they trap you.  If you see a gap, go for it.  When stream-turning a large exaggerated movement up helps a lot.  Try not to get pushed to either side, though it is possible to dodge entirely outside the reds.

[Chuckolator]

At least on hard mode, the red bullets slow down enough to be escaped before they trap you.  If you see a gap, go for it.  When stream-turning a large exaggerated movement up helps a lot.  Try not to get pushed to either side, though it is possible to dodge entirely outside the reds.

That's kind of what I've been doing, I'll see if I can consciously do that more often.

Secret please.

Stay on one side of the alternating pink one at the top of the screen, immediately under her. I've captured it in around 5-7 seconds that way. Felt so good to figure that one out.

While I'm asking about MB, how do I get past Megumi herself in her stage 6 midboss card? The bubble path always takes me right through her. Anything I'm missing?

[Elysia]

While I'm asking about MB, how do I get past Megumi herself in her stage 6 midboss card? The bubble path always takes me right through her. Anything I'm missing?

Here's a video of how I do that card. Also includes a capture of Kasumi's rainbow card, since I thought it might help to see it in video.

Spoiler:

A Fantasy's Transience is my current timeout objective, so I'd better know how to capture it >_>

[PMW]

How do I do second midboss alice's nonspell? That thing always eats like at least 3 bombs or lives on my runs, I just can't figure out how to dodge those bullets.

Some help at her first boss non-spell and spell would help too.

[Chuckolator]

How do I do second midboss alice's nonspell? That thing always eats like at least 3 bombs or lives on my runs, I just can't figure out how to dodge those bullets.

It's static. Find a path, abuse it.

Some help at her first boss non-spell and spell would help too.

I find it's easier to move to one side to dodge the rice bullets, if that's what you're having troubles with.

1st spell is more or less random dodging, it's symmetrical along a random angle if that helps at all.

[xForeverFanaticx]

I feel like I've really, REALLY gone downhill ._. Would any of you who are obviously better than me critique my replay?

TD Hard w/ Reimu

EDIT: And pay no attention to me dying on stage 5 midboss spell. I wasn't paying attention at that moment and yeah... >> But my caps with it are consistent otherwise.

EDIT2: Nvm I actually got my act together I think ._." Next run turned out fantastic with not *too* much luck involved :\

[BT]

It's static. Find a path, abuse it.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat

[I have no name]

Rorschach in Danmaku.  How to capture?  Is it static?

[Chuckolator]

I haven't played Koishi in ages, but I think the blue and green parts are. I remember, when I still didn't have a capture, that the one thing that really helped me out with that card was to stop hugging the bottom of the screen, because the waves were often out of alignment then, and move a little up to go through the waves when they clearly made a path.

Probably best to get someone else's opinion on this, it's been a while. <_<

Miko's 2nd nonspell. What's the best way of tackling this?

[Zil]

But my caps with it are consistent otherwise.

I didn't watch the replay, but actually capturing that spell sounds like a problem in and of itself.

[Nindella]

Just how exactly does Kogasa's 2nd non-spell on UFO Lunatic work? 

I move sideways following the path direction and sometimes I capture it several practice runs in a row, other times it seems to kill me for the heck of it.   :wat:

[Zil]

Just how exactly does Kogasa's 2nd non-spell on UFO Lunatic work? 

I move sideways following the path direction and sometimes I capture it several practice runs in a row, other times it seems to kill me for the heck of it.   :wat:

There is a second layer of bullets that falls out from under the other ones. Are you moving halfway up the screen or staying at the bottom? It's really nothing more than tapping as slightly as you can and perhaps inching up diagonally to slow your horizontal movement. It's pretty tight though and if your keyboard is crappy enough it may be near impossible.

I can't help but feel like I basically just double-posted. Whatever, I'll be shutting up.

[xForeverFanaticx]

I didn't watch the replay, but actually capturing that spell sounds like a problem in and of itself.

Hah? Is it dramatically different on Lunatic or something? O.o I find the midboss spellcard to be easy...

[I have no name]

Hah? Is it dramatically different on Lunatic or something? O.o I find the midboss spellcard to be easy...

You can get more spirits if you bomb/trance through the card, I think.  I capture it anyway because I can and I'd rather save my resources for where I need them.
On lunatic there's another set of arrows but it's really not that hard.