Author Topic: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition  (Read 236467 times)

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #240 on: July 13, 2012, 10:06:50 PM »
Now THIS is sad.
132 attempts, and I STILL can't capture Light Sign "Halo of the Guze Kannon".

Why, Miko, why?
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #241 on: July 13, 2012, 11:17:42 PM »
omg i was about to ask that

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #242 on: July 14, 2012, 02:49:30 AM »
How do I capture Embers of Love (no. 172) and Philosopy of a Hated Person (no. 174)?
The former I can sort of capture 50% of the time but I get trapped a fair amount of times.

For Philosopy, mainly the last phase. I don't know what to do and run into bullet :(

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #243 on: July 16, 2012, 04:09:05 AM »
Now THIS is sad.
132 attempts, and I STILL can't capture Light Sign "Halo of the Guze Kannon".

Why, Miko, why?
There is a pattern. Use it to your advantage.
Basically pick a lane to dodge in, switch lane when that lane rotates too far that you might be hitting other things, and hope your eyes don't get overwhelmed.
It's a fun card!
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #244 on: July 17, 2012, 10:02:44 AM »
For that Guze spellcard all I do is a unfocus-focus dance of left-right.

Is there a safe route to herd Miko's Falling Stars on Divine Spirit Mausoleum's spellcard's second phase in Normal?
I tried making the bullets at the first phase go at the left and right corners of the screen, but when she reaches the second phase I'm doomed.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 10:15:37 AM by FCornic »

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #245 on: July 17, 2012, 07:34:48 PM »
How does one do Hourai Jewel Lunatic??! I have failed like 200 times by now. I SWEAR VOWG IS EASIER THAN THAT SHIT

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #246 on: July 17, 2012, 08:28:54 PM »
How does one do Hourai Jewel Lunatic??! I have failed like 200 times by now. I SWEAR VOWG IS EASIER THAN THAT SHIT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me1TymHrXww&feature=player_detailpage#t=305s

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #247 on: July 17, 2012, 09:07:14 PM »
I am slaving away at doing my first extra stage, the logical choice being Imperishable Night. A couple of questions:

1. Keine's first and third spells. Is it better to be unfocused or focused while the spirals are firing? (it changes the speed)
2. Ikahasa's moon curse. I can sort of see a path by going to the left, but I have nowhere left to go when returning to the center. Is there a more suitable path to evade those rebounding knives?
3. Phoenix Rebirth: I need a foolproof way to misdirect the phoenixes.
4. Hollow Giant "Woo". Again, what kind of path is needed to properly misdirect the bullet sprays?

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #248 on: July 17, 2012, 09:07:54 PM »
@Hourai Jewel: It seems to work for the first few turns fine but after a while the yellow bullets seem to desync with the pattern.

..or is it just me? Still awesome tactic to survive at least the first half rather easily. :O
« Last Edit: July 17, 2012, 09:09:52 PM by Buu »

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #249 on: July 17, 2012, 09:22:04 PM »
It addresses this in the video, after you dash under 6 yellow balls you need to start dashing under green ones.

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #250 on: July 17, 2012, 09:28:11 PM »
Well aren't I smart. xD

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #251 on: July 17, 2012, 09:52:32 PM »
Ugh. I always have trouble with Remilia's first nonspell in EoSD on any difficulty, even Normal. I get to her with two lives or one (depending on whether or not I derp on Sakuya midboss nonspell (I always time it out because I don't want to deal with Eternal Meek.)) and that nonspell takes up all my lives. If I somehow make it with one left, I'll derp on Star of David. I curse that nonspell. DX
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #252 on: July 18, 2012, 03:06:39 AM »
Ugh. I always have trouble with Remilia's first nonspell in EoSD on any difficulty, even Normal. I get to her with two lives or one (depending on whether or not I derp on Sakuya midboss nonspell (I always time it out because I don't want to deal with Eternal Meek.)) and that nonspell takes up all my lives. If I somehow make it with one left, I'll derp on Star of David. I curse that nonspell. DX

The first non-spell from Remilia the only think that I know is that you need to look before to dodge the bullets if the bullets are going to trap you, if this is going to happen you need to walk to some side until escape from the bubble traps. Star of David you can go close to the bottom of the screen and avoid the exploding star. Also one question mine, is normal that some stars does not explodes and shots a circle of bullets instead?
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #253 on: July 18, 2012, 06:04:43 AM »
Various replys:

Now THIS is sad.
132 attempts, and I STILL can't capture Light Sign "Halo of the Guze Kannon".

Why, Miko, why?
Given the spell card name, I guess that's on Normal. I find that it's really easy for me to pick out the yellow flashing bullets on Normal. If you dodge to the right of it every single time you see one, you should capture the card with minimal effort (or at least that's what I remember of it).

This doesn't work on Hard and above though :V. The yellow bullets veer too far away from Miko for you to be able to both hit her and get in that safe lane.

How do I capture Embers of Love (no. 172) and Philosopy of a Hated Person (no. 174)?
The former I can sort of capture 50% of the time but I get trapped a fair amount of times.

For Philosopy, mainly the last phase. I don't know what to do and run into bullet :(
For Embers, you should always be under Koishi when she shoots the aimed hearts straight at you. She'll then fire a wave away from you, then repeat. Just repeat. It only really gets harrowing in the last few moments of the card, but for me at least, I couldn't capture it that consistently until I got a feel for how the bullets on the tail spawned.
For Philosophy of a Hated Person's last phase, it's basically just moving in a clockwise direction around the center of the screen, following Koishi around. To my eyes at least, it looks like the bullet walls are moving diagonally, but they're actually moving straight across, so you can dodge them by moving completely horizontally/vertically. Also note that if you do get caught by Koishi, staying in the center of a "square" is completely safe.

I am slaving away at doing my first extra stage, the logical choice being Imperishable Night. A couple of questions:

1. Keine's first and third spells. Is it better to be unfocused or focused while the spirals are firing? (it changes the speed)
2. Ikahasa's moon curse. I can sort of see a path by going to the left, but I have nowhere left to go when returning to the center. Is there a more suitable path to evade those rebounding knives?
3. Phoenix Rebirth: I need a foolproof way to misdirect the phoenixes.
4. Hollow Giant "Woo". Again, what kind of path is needed to properly misdirect the bullet sprays?
1. For her first spell, the familiars shoot two different static patterns that you can easily dodge before the aimed sprays. The safespot for the first wave is above the "E" in "Enemy" and I believe the safespot for the second wave is between the 'n' and the second 'e'. After most of the static bullets move past, just slowly stream. Repeat. For her third spell, the bullet walls are again completely static every single time. I dodge it by starting over the "E" and streaming to the right. The addition of the teal bullets in later waves is just a minor complication. Dodge them normally.
2. The path I use starts in the center, stays for 2 waves, then goes to the right, returns to the center, then right, then back again. It should finish the card off if you're using the border team. Moving to the right is better than moving to the left because the knives fire in a clockwise rotation, meaning that there is a huge hole to the right if they are aimed at the center. Knives will more or less always be coming at you from the left, so don't go that way.
3+4. I'm not too sure what Phoenix Rebirth is. In either case, you can see good techniques and explanations for most of the remaining spells from this Kefit video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tACAYUgYcBs. Do note that he's using solo Alice, which clears all of Mokou's cards in fairly fast time, so you may need to dodge for a while longer than he is. His paths are applicable for all teams though.

Ugh. I always have trouble with Remilia's first nonspell in EoSD on any difficulty, even Normal. I get to her with two lives or one (depending on whether or not I derp on Sakuya midboss nonspell (I always time it out because I don't want to deal with Eternal Meek.)) and that nonspell takes up all my lives. If I somehow make it with one left, I'll derp on Star of David. I curse that nonspell. DX
Remilia's first non-spell can be a bit tricky. The only advice I can really give based off of personal experience is to never ever ever try to dodge between a bubble bullet and the completely solid big bullets (like the kind fired during Star of David). I feel as though EoSD has weird bubble bullet hitboxes (or at least larger ones than the rest of the series), and it tends to throw me for a loop. For Star of David, basically sit at the bottom of the screen and dodge in between lasers/bullets.

Also one question mine, is normal that some stars does not explodes and shots a circle of bullets instead?
Yes, it's normal for you to see bullet circles. The entire array shoots in a big aimed "circle". I'm not too sure how to describe it, but if you watch a replay of the spell a few times you'll see what I mean.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #254 on: July 18, 2012, 06:15:43 AM »
3+4. I'm not too sure what Phoenix Rebirth is.
Phoenix Rebirth is Mokou's Last Word. Not sure how having a strategy for it would help with Extra, though.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #255 on: July 18, 2012, 06:16:23 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me1TymHrXww&feature=player_detailpage#t=305s
SUCH MEMOSHIT. Thanks anyway. I'll do it since I can't do even one turn without resorting to this.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #256 on: July 18, 2012, 07:21:17 AM »
Phoenix Rebirth is Mokou's Last Word. Not sure how having a strategy for it would help with Extra, though.

Crap, I did it again didn't I? I meant her second spell. I keep thinking it's called Phoenix Rebirth but it's called something else. It's the one where phoenixes are flung right at you.

Anyway, I figured it out by now. Now I need help with some of her other spells:

1. Honest Man's Death. As far as I know, you're supposed to get as close to the spawn point of the laser and hope that it doesn't kill you when it passes over you. Then fight through the red waves to get to the other side and pray, repeat. However, at entirely random intervals the laser originates much farther from me than normal and kills me in an instant. Is there a trick or is it just pure skill? This thing always costs me huge amounts of resources (at least three bombs, most times a death and at times a fourth bomb)
2. Fujiyama Volcano. Three parts to this: shoot one explosion, shoot three explosions (long intervals), shoot a bunch of explosions (short intervals). I seem to get forced into the bottom left corner by the second part and then get killed by the red spray. Any suggested paths on this?
3. Possessed by Phoenix (the farthest I've gotten as of now). The purple bullets I can handle, but the blue five-way sprays get me every time. Once again, how?

Nevermind, watching Kefit helps a lot. Thanks for the help people.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 07:23:29 AM by SirChaotick »

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #257 on: July 18, 2012, 09:12:27 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me1TymHrXww&feature=player_detailpage#t=305s
It addresses this in the video, after you dash under 6 yellow balls you need to start dashing under green ones.
omg this makes it so much easier.
After 6 yellow balls I do 2 teal and 2 purple. Not sure if that's the best way, but it will time it out.
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #258 on: July 18, 2012, 10:22:36 AM »
Yeah, that tactic really cheeses Hourai Jewel to the maximum. Suddenly Kaguya lost all of her difficulty what with being kinda good at her now. Thanks for that strategy Kefit, if you ever read it. I suppose Eirin still remains the hardest bitch. xD

Also is it just me or are avatars randomly switching around. :O
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 10:24:28 AM by Buu »

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #259 on: July 18, 2012, 11:00:55 AM »
Yeah, that tactic really cheeses Hourai Jewel to the maximum. Suddenly Kaguya lost all of her difficulty what with being kinda good at her now. Thanks for that strategy Kefit, if you ever read it. I suppose Eirin still remains the hardest bitch. xD

Also is it just me or are avatars randomly switching around. :O
Yeah it is way too cheesy. I wonder if it is possible to do "normally"?

Holy shit I thought it was just me that saw scrambled avatars!

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #260 on: July 18, 2012, 11:11:48 AM »
It is, but it's absurdly difficult. It took me ~80 tries to capture it for the first time when I went after "instinct". You know, when you think it's time to dash to either side to create the large gaps only to find out you mistimed by a second and have everything wall you.

Unless your definition of "normally" is different. :P

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #261 on: July 18, 2012, 11:15:39 AM »
I am slaving away at doing my first extra stage, the logical choice being Imperishable Night.

Why is Imperishable Night the "logical choice"? The main game has reputation for being one of the easiest games, yeah, but I'd say Perfect Cherry Blossom probably has the easiest Extra stage. Or at least I find it easier than IN's.

SUCH MEMOSHIT.

Welcome to Imperishable Night lol

Also lolwut @ the scrambling avatars. I keep refreshing to see what avatar I get.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #262 on: July 18, 2012, 12:11:04 PM »
It is, but it's absurdly difficult. It took me ~80 tries to capture it for the first time when I went after "instinct". You know, when you think it's time to dash to either side to create the large gaps only to find out you mistimed by a second and have everything wall you.

Unless your definition of "normally" is different. :P
Yeah that's what I meant. And holy damn 80 tries? It doesn't make it sound that difficult :V
I was at 220+ trying to capture it, till I used the cheesy way.

On an unrelated note, as I was trying to save an epic yuyuko avatar I saw, it was named rotate.php.jpg. Damn mods  :trollface:

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #263 on: July 18, 2012, 12:25:05 PM »
On an unrelated note, as I was trying to save an epic yuyuko avatar I saw, it was named rotate.php.jpg. Damn mods
Speaking of epic avatars?
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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #264 on: July 18, 2012, 01:30:59 PM »
Speaking of epic avatars?

LOLWHAT. Still, I guess that was destined to happen because I found your avatar pretty cute.


Mine hasn't even appeared anywhere, by the way.

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #265 on: July 18, 2012, 01:49:22 PM »
I just saw that Seiga's avatar was fries, and I thought: CURVY FRIES!!! (Think: McRoll)

Now I have a clippy problem with Miko's Royal Clan Chaotic Dance. Is there, like her last spell any safe route to herd Tojiko and Futo's arrows?

I hope my question for her last spell's second phase is also answered.   :)

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #266 on: July 18, 2012, 02:38:40 PM »
Yeah that's what I meant. And holy damn 80 tries? It doesn't make it sound that difficult :V
I was at 220+ trying to capture it, till I used the cheesy way.

It took me exactly 400 attempts to capture it  :V

How are you supposed to do Aya's final spell in MoF? I always get hit by either the rice bullets when I try to dodge the yellow arrwheads, and hit by the arrowheads when I try to dodge the rice bullets. This spell is one of the 2 spells that I haven't captured in MoF lunatic (the other one being obviously VoWG), and it'd be nice to get it out of the way.

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #267 on: July 18, 2012, 05:12:52 PM »
Any help with Undefined Darkness (Nue's 7th spellcard) and Rainy Iwafune (Mononobe's 1st spellcard)?

I need a path to follow to help get by Undefined and a way to make Iwafune shorter lived as it tends to wear me out.

Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #268 on: July 19, 2012, 09:16:36 AM »
Any help with Undefined Darkness (Nue's 7th spellcard) and Rainy Iwafune (Mononobe's 1st spellcard)?

I need a path to follow to help get by Undefined and a way to make Iwafune shorter lived as it tends to wear me out.

For Rainy Iwafune Normal, try to find a gap in the "rain drops" while watching out for the thunder arrows (they tend to appear when Futo gets back to the screen). I don't think it's static though, but there should be a gap.

Here's my try at the spellcard: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=22619

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Re: Spell Card Help Topic V: Cheeto Lasers Edition
« Reply #269 on: July 19, 2012, 01:01:55 PM »
Any help with Undefined Darkness (Nue's 7th spellcard)?
You could watch this replay, since I'd say T handles the misdirecting Nue to the upper screen-trick pretty well. Moving around the screen with Nue following you is a lot harder, if you ask me.

How are you supposed to do Aya's final spell in MoF? I always get hit by either the rice bullets when I try to dodge the yellow arrwheads, and hit by the arrowheads when I try to dodge the rice bullets. This spell is one of the 2 spells that I haven't captured in MoF lunatic (the other one being obviously VoWG), and it'd be nice to get it out of the way.
It's just... simple sidestepping, I believe? However, I never played MoF that much so I don't know if there's some trick behind it. Don't forget that you can also move vertically a bit to ease the dodging. Also try not to have dodge through both patterns (rice and arrowheads) at the same time - and don't be too stressed about your movements, since there is only one set of arrowheads that forms a wall which you should dodge in the pattern - sidestep those and it's pretty much just fast reading.. I believe? Someone like Nereid would know better, or maybe Funen or dot_asp.

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