Daily Touhou Best Topic Round 2 Part 3

[Zengeku]

Devil's Recitation is all I can think of. It looks really simple yet it manages to be pretty much Byakurens hardest non-Good Omen attack.

[Chuckolator]

The Eight Million Laughing Gods

If this counts, otherwise Shou's nonspells.

[Sakurei]

guys, I think you are misunderstanding something here. every novice freaks out when they see curvy lasers. nobody would say "this looks easy". just because there are few bullets on-screen won't make people with no idea say "pfft, I can do that, too".

if I had so say something I'd agree with Malkyrian. true enough there aren't any bullet on the screen here too, :V well. it still looks easy.

[DeltaSierra4]

FW "Three Fairies". It could be just me but I sometimes struggle with this when I go for a score-run. And whenever I do some demonstration with friends they're like "Oh that looks really easy for a last spell card."

[Karisa]

Legendary Flying Saucer. I remember a time (before I played it or Flying Fantastica myself) when I saw a video of it and it seemed easy and anticlimatic compared to Byakuren's earlier cards. I think I was looking at the bullets in the top half of the screen instead of the region around the player's hitbox.

[Validon98]

The Eight Million Laughing Gods.

That card hates humanity. I swear, whenever I do it, I manage to screw up some part of it. And then when I get that part right, I either already screwed up or I screw up another part of it. Of course, it looks so simple, but those bubbles move so friggin' fast.Then again, I have a terrible track record against survival cards.

[Kaze_Senshi]

Shikigami's Radiance "Princess Tenko -Illusion-" I think, it looks pretty simple to "wait Ran shoot, evade, spin, wait again, evade, spin" but when you try to mimic it is pretty tough, if you miss one movement, you are screwed.

And

The Eight Million Laughing Gods.

F%CK this spellcard, I hate it  :V :V

[Zetzumarshen]

Nue's second spell in TD ~safespot edition~

[chirpy13]

Shinki's bonus opener.  If she wants you to die, there's not a thing you can do about it.  But no one will ever congratulate you when you on surviving it .  Also Magic Stone green balls or pretty much any other hard part from HRtP or SoEW.

[Yatakarasu]

"Scroll of Frolicking Animals"
Fok dis card! Seriously, first time I saw it being played by someone else I was like "That doesn't look so bad." Then I did it myself.
Shou's non-spells, 2nd card, last card (debatable).


Super-dooper personal and most people probably won't agree.
"Youkai's Polygraph"
God damn, this card is hard for me. I don't even know why, I just find a way to screw it up, but it really doesn't even look that hard. :fail:

[nintendonut888]

What is the hardest pattern/attack that when dodged properly and when watched by an untrained eye, seems the least impressive?
Exact opposite time!

Scarlet Meister. Every time I see the card outside of me playing it, I am astonished how straightforward and simple it looks, despite being possibly the single hardest spell card in the series.

[RNG]

Dipper Creeping Close. Looks retardedly easy but the timing is hard to learn.

[Ranko Hoshino]

Today has made me question Apollo 13 Lunatic a little.

[BT]

Scarlet Meister. Every time I see the card outside of me playing it, I am astonished how straightforward and simple it looks, despite being possibly the single hardest spell card in the series.

It's the damn hitboxes. Those bigger bullets are 100% hitbox. Avoid like the plague.

[Ridley 64]

The greatest discrepancy for me so far is probably Blazing Wheel.  It was surprisingly stressful to attempt in an actual 1cc run.

[Sakurei]

earth in a pot. definitely.

during my attempts to NMNB eirin, I showed th stage to a friend of mine and he was like "that looks easy, I think I could do it" I laughed in his face, saying it was one of the hardest things in that stage. but he was all like "omg, how do you do this" on eirin's first spellcard :V you know, the easy one.

[K.B.]

Nominating Kanako's opener.  Appears spacious and slow.  It isn't.

[Karisa]

Here's a rather broad question that could be interesting:

What is it that you find enjoyable about playing Touhou games?
That is, in contrast to playing other games, or doing anything else that's not playing a Touhou game?
(Everyone here does enjoy playing Touhou games, right? I'm assuming that's the case since this is a Touhou gameplay forum...)

[Yatakarasu]

The music. No, I'm not kidding. The music is the main reason I started playing the first place. And now that I'm a little better, it's fun to show off to people.

[Cor]

Hmm. Improvement, I guess. I like seeing myself get better at things. I started with the motivation to get better, now I've mostly lost it though. I play to not have whatever little skill I have decay.

[Kaze_Senshi]

The music. No, I'm not kidding. The music is the main reason I started playing the first place. And now that I'm a little better, it's fun to show off to people.

Oh yeah the music, it is the main reason I started to play too,  Bad Apple and Maiden's Capriccio bring me to the Touhou-side of the life. Sometimes I catch myself whistling the music while playing. Also I like the challange, it's pretty interesting and creative the bullet patterns and cia.

[BT]

I play to not have whatever little skill I have decay.

This sounds like you're treating it as a chore. Once you've "beaten the games", what you ought to do is play the games you like most and improve your records, which I assume is what you're doing. (so there you go -- that's one goal)

[ARF]

Doing well for some tournament or whatever is enjoyable, so is learning something new and nailing silly things. It's the little rush of excitement when you know you have something good going I guess. Randomly having some really silly dodging happen can feel nice too.

[Sakurei]

The feeling you have when you've done something you worked on.

let's take a first 1cc. it doesn't even matter which difficulty it is, can be easy, normal, hard or lunatic. first 1ccs are hard work and never come out of nowhere, but once you've managed, it's all like "wooooooooooow, awesome". you know? I remember my first 1cc lunatic. I was freaking happy - and that was only TD.
Same with the perfects I've been doing the past weeks. Some of them were hard work and took a lot of tries (I.e MoF stage 4, MoF extra or IN Stage 6A). And even though most were done pretty quickly, it still feels awesome to have perfected Koishi, for instance. It also looks cool.

that's probably the main reason why I'm playing.

[Star King]

What is the hardest pattern/attack that when dodged properly and when watched by an untrained eye, seems the least impressive?
Exact opposite time!

Other than the ones already mentioned, Omoikane's Brain.

What is it that you find enjoyable about playing Touhou games?

Hm... the thrill of crazy dodging. Like, dodging shit all over the screen in Scarlet Gensokyo or whatever. I also like gaining accomplishments/seeing personal improvement I suppose.

[BT]

Oh, totally forgot there's a question. Well, there are those instances where it doesn't look physically possible to dodge something but you dodge it anyway thanks to pure instincts. You can't help but laugh.

[Zil]

the thrill of crazy dodging.

Yup. Coming up with strategies and tricks is also fun, though very different.

To the previous question: Anything fast, really.

[RNG]

The great thing about danmaku games is that no matter your skill level there's a place for you. The barrier to entry is real damn low since you only have to deal with movement and one or two buttons, and the suggestion "don't die". As you improve there's always one or two accomplishments just above your skill level, up to the point where you're able to make WRs. And even then, there are still optimizations to chase.

Now, why I like Touhou specifically:
- ZUN is a pretty cool guy and I want to give him my money.
- REPLAY SAVING
Dear god if you're not from the arcade shmup community you don't know what a big deal that is but trust me.
- The community recognizes the value of practice and is generally competent.

[redlakitu]

Short term: the tension. When I'm close enough to my current goal, my heart is always pounding like mad. I've never been so nervous while playing a video game before (not even when playing Wolfenstein 3D and Doom in my early childhood, and those are seriously frightening games when you're seven years old) and I love it.

Long term: the sense of improvement and accomplishment, definitely. Touhou is the first video game series that really managed to incite my ambition - it's both so beautiful (visually and musically) and so challenging, you feel really inclined to keep trying. I still enjoyed playing various video games before, but never really cared about them.

[Validon98]

I enjoy Touhou for making progress. Like Sakurei said, getting that first 1cc or Extra clear is amazing. Over the last couple of weeks, I've made some amazing strides in the series, which have given me the confidence to start working on harder accomplishments, such as more Hard 1ccs and Extra clears, and eventually challenge runs. It's that sense of accomplishment that has kept me going and will keep me going until I finish everything. And then I'll keep playing because it's a creative shmup with good patterns and great music.