Double Spoiler: speedrunning individual scenes (DSDQ video on Youtube!!!)

[ARF]

Sweet! Posting what I already have then, they are both pretty big improvements.

5-7, 101.40
Doing all kinds of silly stuff in order to shave off another second.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23199

EX-9, 149.95
The delay before the antepenultimate photo is done to delay the killer phase in order to not have to break camera charge later.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23200

On another note: I also did a decent 12-3 Hatate speedrun, ending at 178.57  :V

[Ridley 64]

I really like how this turned out, with the title cards and music and everything (to be honest, I don't think I would have noticed the audio edits). There were a lot of scenes that I never saw during the actual ILing, so finally getting to watch them all was nice. Glad I was able to help

I'm a bit sad that the strategy I found in SP-9 didn't end up being used in the final submission, despite being potentially faster (providing good execution, of course) as far as I can tell.

Which strategy?

I think StB next, chum would kill me if I went for Hatate next  :V

Though I need a break from tracking all the info, probably for the rest of the month.

September is a likely starting point I think (though feel free to pre-prepare some StB ILs  )

Looking forward to it :V

[Zil]

5-1, 95.62
Not exactly the great improvement I was expecting. You're still bound to the rhythm of Ichirin's waves, so only the last two photos really matter. Still, this was under thirty attempts, so someone more daring than I may take it further.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23215

[I have no name]

3-3 is last one to improve really.

[Ridley 64]

3-3, 99.54
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23216

3-3, 99.61
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23217

[ARF]

Which strategy?

Hug any side of the screen after the first shot with vertical camera alignment, snap the photos ASAP with no delay (if you are lucky Aya spawns over you and you get an instant photo, go for as many in a row that you feel like), then go back to the middle (and switch to horizontal) because getting all photos like that would require insane luck even if it is 50% chance (or is there something determining where Aya spawns?).

I don't actually know if it will be faster since I felt so incredible stupid when you started speedrunning that and used horizontal alignment vs IHNN and me using vertical all the time  :colonveeplusalpha:

5-1, 95.62
Not exactly the great improvement I was expecting. You're still bound to the rhythm of Ichirin's waves, so only the last two photos really matter. Still, this was under thirty attempts, so someone more daring than I may take it further.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23215

Well done Zil! That certainly looks way cooler.

3-3, 99.61
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23217

Hmm, would moving upwards through the kunai swarm without breaking charge (and then possibly dashing the last way if you are early enough for Kisume to be too high on the screen) be faster? I'm guess it would, but it would probably be about as likely to succeed as the 12-3 strat.

[I have no name]

I don't actually know if it will be faster since I felt so incredible stupid when you started speedrunning that and used horizontal alignment vs IHNN and me using vertical all the time  :colonveeplusalpha:

I went for it all of once and took like 50 shots to put down the first one because it's my favorite scene  :V

Either way, unless you can think of any major improvements I'll record those 4 and send it off to SDA.

[ARF]

Either way, unless you can think of any major improvements I'll record those 4 and send it off to SDA.

There's always improvements to make, but I'd say go ahead and submit the thing unless someone wants to play more.

I'm good at the moment.

[Ridley 64]

Hug any side of the screen after the first shot with vertical camera alignment, snap the photos ASAP with no delay (if you are lucky Aya spawns over you and you get an instant photo, go for as many in a row that you feel like), then go back to the middle (and switch to horizontal) because getting all photos like that would require insane luck even if it is 50% chance (or is there something determining where Aya spawns?).

I don't actually know if it will be faster since I felt so incredible stupid when you started speedrunning that and used horizontal alignment vs IHNN and me using vertical all the time  :colonveeplusalpha:

Oh OK. Doing that could definitely be faster, though I see it being hard to gain a significant advantage due to the randomness of everything. Plus I tried it for a bit and seemed to die more often when I stuck to the sides :V

Hmm, would moving upwards through the kunai swarm without breaking charge (and then possibly dashing the last way if you are early enough for Kisume to be too high on the screen) be faster? I'm guess it would, but it would probably be about as likely to succeed as the 12-3 strat.

I never attempted to speed-run 12-3, but doing 3-3 that way seems like it might be harder since the kunai move in more varied angles and are a little denser. My plan was to make the unfocused dash as short as possible and hope to dodge the side of the kunai cloud.

DSDQ: half the views stopped before a minute in 
Beyond that most people watched until at least the credits.

How does it handle jumping ahead? Since I tend to skip around and such.

Any responses from SDA yet, or are they waiting until the official submission?

[I have no name]

Any responses from SDA yet, or are they waiting until the official submission?

A couple people in #touhou on the SDA IRC channel have enjoyed the video, but 'officially' they're waiting for the submission...which reminds me I need to send that E-mail to puwexil.

[I have no name]

Double Spoiler is currently available for verification on SDA!
http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/runs_needing_verification_81_changed_august_19th.html

I still have to record those scenes (going to find out how to record them straight into RAM) and wait to be asked to send in the files but from there it's good to go.

[ARF]

Double Spoiler is currently available for verification on SDA!
http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/runs_needing_verification_81_changed_august_19th.html

I still have to record those scenes (going to find out how to record them straight into RAM) and wait to be asked to send in the files but from there it's good to go.

Cool! I sent Flip a message about wanting to verify.

Oh OK. Doing that could definitely be faster, though I see it being hard to gain a significant advantage due to the randomness of everything. Plus I tried it for a bit and seemed to die more often when I stuck to the sides :V

I never attempted to speed-run 12-3, but doing 3-3 that way seems like it might be harder since the kunai move in more varied angles and are a little denser. My plan was to make the unfocused dash as short as possible and hope to dodge the side of the kunai cloud.

Well, your execution of the current strategies is superb anyway, so any further improvements can definitely wait until later, when maybe more interest is raised over speedrunning DS.

[Zil]

Do they need/accept verifiers who aren't already members of the site?

[I have no name]

Do they need/accept verifiers who aren't already members of the site?

All you need is knowledge of the game, and an account (to access the PM feature) on the forums.

It helps to have been around to make sure they're up to standard but I already know they are  :V

[Zil]

In that case, I could do it if you need volunteers. I'm guessing Namazu can't verify his own scenes. Or can he? :wat:

[I have no name]

Nope, you can't verify your own runs.
There is precedent for IL tables being verified by the other people doing them though-the Marble Blast Gold IL table was verified by the people who did it, less their own scenes.

[Ridley 64]

Well, your execution of the current strategies is superb anyway, so any further improvements can definitely wait until later, when maybe more interest is raised over speedrunning DS.

We're still keeping track of improvements though, right?

SP-2, 177.04
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23332

SP-3, 115.19
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23333

3-3 needs to be changed. Perhaps the total time could be listed with the ILs as well?

[ARF]

I did some camera speed testing with Aya since the information on the wiki wasn't quite elaborate enough. I just wanted to find out how much of a difference any amount of % charge regained from bullets actually makes.

After snapping a photo and having regained control of Aya, there is an approx. 1.09 second time window where you can't recharge the camera.
The first 10% of charging the camera takes approx. 0.62 seconds, the first 20% takes 1.02 seconds, and every 10% afterwards takes 0.33 seconds for a total of 3.66 seconds to go from 0% to 100%.

So, say you change your strategy and gain a 3% charge advantage over your old strat, you can potentially gain 0.099 seconds  :V

Anyway...

2-1, 100.77
Going to the side for the second photo to get a slight recharge bonus, sometimes I could get the shot off before the rings split, so there's definitely room for improvements still.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23341

2-3, 95.27
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23344

2-5, 101.70
Making a quick sideways dash before the third photo to catch more bullets.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23363

5-6, 94.89
Going to the right for the second photo to leave more bullets in the screen to the left for the second cycle, seems like I got 3% more recharge in the third photo compared to the previous record by doing this, but my last photo was slightly delayed...
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23342

7-3, 96.25
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23370

8-4, 89.35
I'm guessing 90.xx is possible with flawless execution.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23415

9-3, 167.05
I got lucky with Satori's movements after the last barrage.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23347

10-1, 175.56
Sometimes a more simplistic approach is better I guess.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23424

10-7, 168.40
Yeah, no real strategy this time, just pressing buttons and hoping for the best.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23351

12-1, 177.02
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23420

12-5, 165.75
Another scene where a ballsy strategy yields a faster time. I was hoping to get 166.xx and indeed, I was delaying a bit too much at the end there. I might come back and redo this later.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23397

SP-4, 88.36
This run was pretty much flawless up until the fourth photo, if you watch the replay you'll see why...  another second can be saved here, pretty sure.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23395

SP-7, 183.13
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23402

I looked through the data sheet and updated it with the new times and it looks like there's 14.58 seconds left before we go sub 45 minutes now.

[Shimatora]

Thought I'd give my opinion on the current video in the OP - not sure if this has been brought up yet, though. Why not completely cut out the "Spellcard - Player - Time" title and just place it in the bottom of the clip, like what they did for QDQ? Similarly, for most speedruns like this I've seen online, they have needed to be cut together in such a way that it looks like a single playthrough, even though it isn't - the example again is QDQ. Will it still be accepted even though there is no footage of the actual selection of spell cards?

Other than that, all I can say is good job! :3

[I have no name]

The first frame of each (as well as several others after) shows selecting the replay.

I'd say that it should be fine, since every scene is unique anyway.


adffsdafsdafdsfads make me record 16 more before submission fadsfdafdafdsfad

[Shimatora]

Now that I look a bit closer, I can see that now. Just wasn't sure if it was enough, that's all! It's hard for me to criticise though, as I've never submitted anything to SDA.

[ARF]

3-2, 100.08
100.xx get!
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23427

6-3, 85.46
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23431

6-8, 83.39
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23432

7-1, 86.14
Shou is a ⑨
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23428

9-8, 176.22
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23433

10-2, 175.37
Not breaking the charge saved so much time here.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23429

11-4, 175.87
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23430

12-4, 179.82
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23434

adffsdafsdafdsfads make me record 16 more before submission fadsfdafdafdsfad

I'm kinda hoping that Ridley will defend his scenes, so don't rush it  :V

[Shimatora]

I might even try a few, like a promised a while back.

[I have no name]

Well, I already submitted but I guess when I send in videos I can send in updated comments...

[Ridley 64]

5-6, 94.93
I was in the center for the first cycle and on the left side for the second, so I'm not sure if leftover bullets made a difference.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23440

SP-4, 88.45
Nice strategy. How would we get 89.xx, though? Doesn't seem like you can be that fast if waiting before the fourth shot is the best method.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23441

SP-7, 183.14
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23442

-Been having trouble getting enough recharge from the penultimate shot of 2-3. Is the pan up necessary for this?
-Is the improvement in 9-3 mainly due to the quick last photo?
-Probably won't attempt 2-5 or 10-7 for a while, if at all. I almost never got two rings to show up after the second photo of 2-5, and the dash at the end of 10-7 might be a bit too tricky for me :V

[I have no name]

I'm still not doing any updates on stuff until the first, aside from recording. (probably)  I wanted a break from this stuff darn it.

Oh, also, like I said I can send in updated comments/final time with the videos BUT after I'm contacted by SDA to send the videos then there can be no more.  (Didn't I already say no more............)

Probably going to re-record everything in higher quality anyways. (or make someone else do it )

[ARF]

5-6, 94.93
I was in the center for the first cycle and on the left side for the second, so I'm not sure if leftover bullets made a difference.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23440

SP-4, 88.45
Nice strategy. How would we get 89.xx, though? Doesn't seem like you can be that fast if waiting before the fourth shot is the best method.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23441

SP-7, 183.14
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23442

-Been having trouble getting enough recharge from the penultimate shot of 2-3. Is the pan up necessary for this?
-Is the improvement in 9-3 mainly due to the quick last photo?
-Probably won't attempt 2-5 or 10-7 for a while, if at all. I almost never got two rings to show up after the second photo of 2-5, and the dash at the end of 10-7 might be a bit too tricky for me :V

@5-6, Pretty sure they do make a difference, I just didn't execute it very well.

SP-4 Great execution, I was strongly suspecting that you could get off the last photo without moving out of the way of Hatate's viewfinder, but looking at your attempt it still looks pretty far off. Hmm hmm.
2-3 Not sure, I couldn't replicate it myself when trying to improve it a bit more before submitting. You could just try something with positioning and camera orientation/panning, or maybe I was just lucky with the bullet density that time.

9-3: Yes. Seems like it's a weird scene, waiting a bit for more bullets for recharge on the penultimate was the best bet.
2-5 10-7 oh well. Those are solid times then I guess.

I wanted to ask you something too, when you speedran 1-1, how did you deal with the tutorial screens that come up? I tried 1-1 some more too, and found that you can get off your photos BEFORE they pop up on the second, third and fourth photo. When this happens you just have to press z and your photo will snap immediately afterwards, which should be good for optimization. But maybe you already did this? It's quite hard to do though, I could only make it happen like 1 out of 8 tries or so.

I'm still not doing any updates on stuff until the first, aside from recording. (probably)  I wanted a break from this stuff darn it.

Oh, also, like I said I can send in updated comments/final time with the videos BUT after I'm contacted by SDA to send the videos then there can be no more.  (Didn't I already say no more............)

Probably going to re-record everything in higher quality anyways. (or make someone else do it )

I was kinda hoping we would hit sub 45, but I guess it'll have to wait for more competition in the future.

[Ridley 64]

I'm still not doing any updates on stuff until the first, aside from recording. (probably)  I wanted a break from this stuff darn it.

Oh, also, like I said I can send in updated comments/final time with the videos BUT after I'm contacted by SDA to send the videos then there can be no more.  (Didn't I already say no more............)

Understandable. And yeah, you did :V But I figured we could still keep track here even if we can't on SDA.

SP-4 Great execution, I was strongly suspecting that you could get off the last photo without moving out of the way of Hatate's viewfinder, but looking at your attempt it still looks pretty far off. Hmm hmm.

Oh OK. That *might* be possible if you can get 35% recharge both times and cut out the long dash after the 5th photo.

I wanted to ask you something too, when you speedran 1-1, how did you deal with the tutorial screens that come up? I tried 1-1 some more too, and found that you can get off your photos BEFORE they pop up on the second, third and fourth photo. When this happens you just have to press z and your photo will snap immediately afterwards, which should be good for optimization. But maybe you already did this? It's quite hard to do though, I could only make it happen like 1 out of 8 tries or so.

I just snapped those photos as soon as I could after the prompts like normal. Is the idea to snap the photo in the instant between reaching 100% and the prompt popping up?

2-3, 95.34
New strategy?
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23452

SP-4, 89.34
Done! It really was just a matter of removing the dash and hoping you survive the amulets from up close.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23456

[ARF]

I just snapped those photos as soon as I could after the prompts like normal. Is the idea to snap the photo in the instant between reaching 100% and the prompt popping up?

2-3, 95.34
New strategy?
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23452

SP-4, 89.34
Done! It really was just a matter of removing the dash and hoping you survive the amulets from up close.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23456

The idea was to start aiming the camera before the prompt popped up, it should look like in the image. When I fail it I just mash z hoping that I'll make the photo go off immediately after the game resumes, but I fear that I lose time that way.


Very nice looking 2-3 strat! But the recharge gain from the 4th seemed about 5% lower than from my time. Maybe worth looking into further later or something. Good job though!

Yes! Excellent job at SP-4.

[Ridley 64]

The idea was to start aiming the camera before the prompt popped up, it should look like in the image. When I fail it I just mash z hoping that I'll make the photo go off immediately after the game resumes, but I fear that I lose time that way.

Oh OK. I went back and managed to take the photos before the prompts about four times. Only cleared once though, and it was about 0.2 s slow. Definitely going to be tricky to use it effectively.

2-3, 95.42
The 4th photo recharge here is 1% less than it was in the previous run....?
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=23459