Re: So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 2)

[Dr Rawr]

apparently affinity just jumped up the list and bob went down

[Dr Rawr]

ugh im just going to sleep i feel really stupid right now

[Mr_Bob]

@Affinity: April 7 was around the time that I wasn't sure there would be something of an extension for Easter, that means I didn't know if I'd be back in time before the day ended, I used my proxy as a representative of my intent to lynch when I can't be around deadline.  The other proxy on LLD was when I was at work and couldn't keep up with the evolution of the game while being on-call.

As for my questioning of Omba, that was in addition to Affinity's and HW's cases, not in disregard to.  I understood the discussion well-enough (after re-reading it a few times) to add in my own line of questioning.  I felt a disconnect in that Omba thought Dorian's outing (claiming) in order to fish for reactions:

Sorry that it took so long but the point of provoking reactions to let things evolve on there on to see what you get out of it.

(#242 and #376 for full posts) was town, which is normally seen as a scummy tactic; whereas ActionDan had a "fake-rampage" and was scum; I understand playing mafia with thought and with feeling: you can fake your thoughts, but I can't fathom how faking a rampage would be thought/felt as a "good" idea.  That was the thought process on those questions.

As for "I'm not fully convinced" that's my way of voicing suspicions I still have, instead of clearing him as a few people seemed to be doing.  However, claiming cop cemented him into acting the part, and I was curious what his reads would have been (admittedly I was overly optimistic that he might try to mislynch Bob).  In that way I sheeped a bit because it seemed Omba wasn't going to be lynched that day.

Also, the criticism for invoking meta is valid, but it's something I have to keep in mind, otherwise I'd probably read your posts in a townie-biased light and not be adequately wary.

[Affinity]

If you have this kind of problem, why not day 1 day 2? Although there are mostly tangential to this discussion (voice, that specific decision, day 1 or sad feeling of muddy, voice cannot at the same time the next day. But his explanation. Seems to not matter.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm still down for killing Serela and Affinity.

[BT]

I'm reading and I don't have time and you know the drill by now.

Finally seeing Town!Dormio. IHNN's #881 is waaaay too opportunistic to be a bus. A Miller fakeclaim makes next to no sense when you have a Tailor scumbuddy. Overall townish behavior recently, too.

IHNN's persistence on his Bob case for the majority of D1+D2 is kind of hard to explain in the case of Scum!Bob because all he'd be doing is diverting attention towards his scumbuddy, who was busy coasting through the day.

Chaore is still just _________

I'm kind of sold on Serela+Affinity at the moment.

Serela's OHMIGOD SO TOWN-ISH flip-flop on Dan during late-D1 is actually completely affordable for scum since all the wagons were town (Dorian, Dan, LLD).
Serela clears people based on roles waaay too easily during N2, proceeds to spin HW's case on Omba as a scumpush for lynching the town cop and then completely forgets about that and eventually sheeps to the case once it gets everyone's approval.
He also waffles on Affinity N2 before finally concluding that ~backup cop is completely logical so TOWN~
Yeeaahhh I'm not seeing Town!Serela here.

Then there's Affinity who has posts that are just whaaaat. Like this one:

... No idea what to make of this.  I honestly think Dormio is the weakest link in this roleclaim thing and that we should lynch the miller... Do we have time for a Serela wagon thing and the resulting back and forth?

I would rather I get lynched than Omba; since my flip would confirm his, etc.

@____@ holy damn this is even worse than Serela's Omba clear.

Not to mention, out of all the ~roles that confirm the existence of TownCop~, Affinity's claim is still the worst via my own claim.


I feel like I'm "not done rereading" but I honestly don't have all day for this kind of stuff.

Bob, who is scum and why?

[Affinity]

no one counterclaimed at that time.  how am i supposed to realize that omba was not a real cop when my role private message clearly said backup cop.

goes without saying that when omba did that 'results in the night' i went on him with huhwhat.  that role based clear did not mean much in the scheme of things.  i was also on him for most of day two.

well whatever.  if rawr out of all people and me are the only ones looking back at things beneath the surface (yayness affinity superbusser and role shenanigans) and trying to find scum the traditional way then town wins if they are right and loses if they are wrong.  since there does not seem to be much room for inquiry (with multiple people closed to it like dormio.  serela on me despite my attempt to make it a dialogue.  bob who goes for meta and whatever.  chaore who is doing a whole lot of nothing) then i am not sure if the game can go much further than that.  if bt is scum we will never find him if chaore is scum we will never lynch him

a town unwilling to change their opinions or their preconceived notions as we have seen the entire game is town of the lowest caliber and if they win they win almost entirely on luck.  we might as well be betting on horses with horrible odds.  based on content alone certainly no one is town except for maybe rawr.  so whatever.

[Affinity]

i still recommend that bob be lynched today by the kingmaker. 
here is a guy who has languorously cruised through day one with no concrete stances
comments and quesitons tangentially on the action while taking no part in it.
does not vote despite a proxy vote being no different from a normal vote

day two he suddenly becomes enlightened and courageous and votes scum as his first ever vote
sees through the smoke and fog of other cases (bt dormio capt h)and chooses the shortest path to nirvanna
sheeping our cases (at first calling mine voting on technicalities and then later agreeing with it when omba was at a few votes)
without saying why this case of all others particularly moves him amidst the others.

after an undistinguished day three he selects me as a first choice
invoking meta without using it to catch scum before
when sentiment against me had already been confirmed
pushing ahead with bravado only when the way is clear.

based on this i think he is scum.  all the others have some redeeming qualities to them (at least serela has his out of nowhere and illogical case on rawr) but bob has been cruising on cred the entire game.

[Dr Rawr]

Affinity has a point, we dont usually go after people who claim cop and no and counter claims. Dont understand why people are attacking serela and affinity on this.

[Shadoweh]

Fifthieth Votecount of Good Little Townies

BT (1): Serela
Action Dan (1): Affinity
Dr. Rawr (1): Dr. Rawr


Not voting: Mr. Bob, Dormio,  BT, Chaore

Tarred and Feathered: Dr. Rawr, Dormio, Chaore

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to make someone your ruler.

There are 56 hours remaining.
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[ActionDan]

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[Dr Rawr]

yea pesco is a jerk  :derp:

[Dr Rawr]

know what dormio is scum.... for the people who are clearing him because of IHNN vote should jump out a window. That vote means nothering, omba and IHNN were voting each other BOTH as scum. Dormios D1 consisted of tunneling actiondan. Not even kidding most of D2 moar tunneling he then posts the most vague reads possible and makes a case on affinity which he NEVER follows up on all through D3 and most of D4. Also he hasnt really updated his case on affinity since D2 and i really do think his serelascum read is just an OMGUS to this. His main reason on serela is that serela didnt want to lynch omba because he actually flipped scum. Implying we lynch people who claim cop with no counter claim.... wtf

I mean really people, I dont get how ONE VOTE FROM IHNN CAN CLEAR A PERSON AND MAKE THEM TOWN. REACTION? WHAT REACTIONS? ALL HE DID WAS THROW SOME BAD WORDS AT ACTIONDAN? HOW DOES THAT MAKE HIM TOWN? THERE WAS NO REACTION ON HIS MILLER CLAIM BECAUSE HE CLAIMED IT EARLY D1. HIS IDK TOWNREAD ON IHNN WAS ALSO WEIRD AND DUMB. HIS D4 CONSISTS OF "KILL AFFINITY AND SERELA, THAT IS ALL" PEOPLE THIS IS SCUM.

also dormio gets gold stars for throwing everyone off his wagon for just throwing insults at actiondan

[Dr Rawr]

someone also wanna explain how capth was lynched over the claimed miller?

[Chaore]

...

We never lynched capth. He was shot in the face.

[Dr Rawr]

what i meant

[Dr Rawr]

Also bob please prove your role by trying to place a vote

[Serela]

Rawr:Bob has already proved his role a bunch. Like D2 on Omba. And I have no idea what you're talking about with the capt.h thing. He was placed as obvtown by, like, the entire game, for almost the entire game. Of course he got shot in the face.

Anyway, the only people who don't want to kill Affinity are Rawr and Affinity! The is the most unanimous opinion we've got. It also fits perfectly with who I think the scumteam is, in addition to both still hating on Dormio.

Affinity seems to be raging in a way that... isn't entirely even true anymore. I'm just going to chalk it up as being mad at everyone wanting to kill him with half or more of them not really drawing up a nice case as such, regardless of whether he's town or scum, and that causing him to not really be able to pay attention to other things going on. He also says something along the lines of "NO ONE WILL EVER KILL CHAORE, BLEH" when several people support exactly that :c (Just, with higher priorities on others in most cases.)

And his blurb on BT can only make absolutely no sense from my PoV because I know BT could have killed town!me yesterday and everyone would've been fine with that, but obv. other people don't have mod confirmation I'm town so oh well.

But anyway, I basically agree with Affinity's Chaore/Bob team as I've said before, in the circumstance that Affinity does flip town (And only -after- that. Still going for rawr+Affinity scum otherwise.)

[Serela]

It also fits perfectly with who I think the scumteam is, in addition to both still hating on Dormio.

I forgot to change this sentence after rereading some of affinity's posts midpost

[Dr Rawr]

##unvote
##vote: BT

expecting BT to kill me SOON or i guess you guys can light me on fire, either works

[Serela]

...wut?  :X

[Chaore]

rawr

are you alright

you're more insane than normal

[Mr_Bob]

@Rawr: I can't follow the logic of why scum would NK a claimed miller who many people had voiced suspicion of, rather than a player whom most felt was more on the townie side.  Could you elucidate?

[Dr Rawr]

No

[Affinity]

He also says something along the lines of "NO ONE WILL EVER KILL CHAORE, BLEH" when several people support exactly that :c (Just, with higher priorities on others in most cases.)

higher priorities?  labelling things from one to three begs the question of how you are going to lynch three with so many other difficult targets.  i can say that i do want to lynch bt but will that happen?  not really given that everyone's content here is terrible  except for rawr and will remain terrible.

your shortsightedness is noted
bt can still be scum even if you are town.  he could kill his fellow scumbuddy and cruise through the endgame. 
i know well enough that superbussing is a game breaking strategy in a game without roles. 

all you are doing is sniping me for making these statements without commenting on my actual scumreads or the things i have done from day one to two for i have no idea how long. 

and i am perfectly aware of what is going on the game thank you very much.  you make my blood boil.

[Affinity]

thinking we should not vote bt again today on the off-chance that he is scum.  perhaps we can give it to someone else so that we can judge that person based on the result and go from there.

##unvote
##vote: rawr

i think he deserves it.

also obviously i do not want to be evicted.

[Affinity]

What rawr tells dormio is true and good and im quite convinced of it. Now, think about it, if it is nameless and omba to slapfight and put the votes themselves, I don't see why nameless not too slapfight with dormio. and in fact, Miller looks like a decent claim for scum. whereas the omba is a tailor and he claimed that COP. to tell us or Bob lynch dormio.

[Affinity]

it is not as if dormio is doing anything to convince us anyways if he is town.  he only has himself to blame.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

it is not as if dormio is doing anything to convince us anyways if he is town.  he only has himself to blame.

I don't particularly care about which one of Serela and Affinity die today, because I know that I'll want the other to die tomorrow.
If I had to choose one, I would choose Serela.
Firstly, hypocrisy in regards to who he wants lynched.
I'm inclined to believe the only reason he picked me up was because other people were looking in my direction.
Case in point? Why is Chaore townie to Serela? Because nobody else is bothering to look at Chaore amirite?
There's also the weirdass claim shit that happened during N2.

But if I'm nightkilled, Omba can receive one more result! I asked Shadoweh.

Not to mention this gem that seems to have been forgotten by everyone.
I'm inclined to believe that Serela's cop shit with Omba was planned.

Omba is definitely Actually A Cop.

I agree that Omba/Affinity/BT is a contradictory claim triangle and one of them is definitely scum (BT I extremely doubt would be it, so Omba or Affinity) plus Omba and Affinity are weird anyway.

Pretty quick change in opinion here too.

About Dormio's http://puu.sh/pZaC on me, to be specific, I had asked Shadoweh about whether a hypothetical cop would still receive a result, because obviously I can't ask her whether Omba is a cop. So hopefully that explains what I said there.

Doesn't stop me from believing that you intended to set up BT as the cop with him.

Serela's behaviours after clearing me are highly suspect, too, and I'll get to posting about those later.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Of note is how Serela ignored everything there except for that one part with Omba.