Author Topic: Re: So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 2) (Read 18264 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #270 on:** April 11, 2012, 05:29:10 AM »

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BT · « **Reply #271 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:08:45 AM »

Okay why are there so many people claiming

Oh huh wait why is the LLD lynch working this isn't supposed to happen

No not the scumpush not the scumpush

My plan today was to hold off from 'claiming', or maybe partially so, until we're at the very least 48 hours in, since I believe I have a guaranteed non-town lynch.

Either that or Shadoweh and her set-up are completely insane. But yeah, jokes aside, guy is pretty much a surefire lynch.

And I'm holding off because not doing so would just cut the day short which is NOT PRO-TOWN. I want to see what happens first!

Thing is, do we really have to massclaim I mean this is kind of stupid honestly.

For you to believe this wall of bs is legit town blabber and not scum delaying their claim, I claim Alison Irwin, aka the second rolename mentioned in LLD's PM.

I don't think the first rolename claimed yet, now that I think about it.

Aaaand I just noticed the PM only mentions that they're "in the game", not "town". Well, poptarts. Do I really have to do this now? :U

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #272 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:12:15 AM »

How would knowing who the scum is cut the day short?

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Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #273 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:13:24 AM »

Oh, right, mafia.

Quote from: ActionDan on April 11, 2012, 03:50:44 AM

Town has no power. What-so-ever. all the mafia are goons.

You know, I'm inclined to believe that everyone is a functional vanilla.

BT · « **Reply #274 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:14:33 AM »

"Okay let's lynch this guy, then!"

Thinking about this, that is really stupid of me.

Thinking more, I want to claim last. Who knows how many fakeclaims I'll end up contradicting.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #275 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:19:47 AM »

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People are smart enough to not instantly vote confirmed scum and end the day. But yeah, if you think you can catch Chaore in a lie, I'm fine with waiting.

Chaore · « **Reply #276 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:26:03 AM »

Okay. Sure.

I'm Byakuya Togami from Dangan Ronpa, otherwise known as that game 'Super Highschool Level Whatever' is from. This is definitely not random if you noticed in the signups thread but this is besides the point.

I am TOWN PRIEST, which means I can not hammer anyone. This is provable as if I vote when it would hammer, nothing would occur, according to what Shadoweh has told me.

And yes, this is how I figured out what was up with Bob when I had that little dumb moment yesterday. I apologize for that.

That's about all there is for it. I'm pretty sure there was no point of this BT, but go ahead and tell us what you have because I think I know what you mean.

BT · « **Reply #277 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:38:07 AM »

Oh well okay. Nice to see a role that isn't "seeking ___" or "___ enabler" for a change.

Like I said, I'm Alison Irwin, was in Season 5 of The Amazing Race, apparently I have experience with ~being in reality situations~ so I gain the abilities of the first power role to die.

Aka, Town Universal Backup.

Now, I'm actually glad I'm putting this up early since I don't know if my ~mafia logic~ is flawed in this case, but in my experience putting "Backup ___" and Universal Backup in one set-up is so redundant people plain don't do it, ever. There's redundancy and there's "uhh what happens when they activate at the same time durr" which yeah just no.

If people reread late-D1 and see a weird flip-flop with my Dan read right after his claim, it's because he claimed BACKUP Watcher and later expanded on how it's not exactly backup at all. But now there's Affinity with his BACKUP Cop which I'm not buying, both because of my role and all the things HW mentioned earlier. Was it at night? IDR.

Now, about what I actually got. Abilities of the first "power role" to "die" is kind of screwy, especially since I ended up absorbing K4U's role and not Dorian's. So yeah, I'm not sure what went on there.

I have no idea who K4U targeted, or if her action went off before DEATH, but I targeted Chaore tonight so I guess he's not survivor/SK if they exist.

Opinions?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #278 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:51:58 AM »

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Fascinating.

In other news,

List of players with power roles that probably can't do anything:
A-A-ActionDan!
Affinity
BT
Bob
capt. h
Chaore
Dorian G.
Dormio
DrRawr
Kitten4u
Nameless
huh what
Serela

List of players with power roles that can do things:
Lady Lambdadelta to a verrrrrrrrrry minor extent
##Vote Omba

Affinity doesn't absolutely have to be scum, Universal Backup + Deputy isn't a problem if the cop doesn't actually exist. But he probably is and I'd lynch him too.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #279 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:55:01 AM »

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A town set-up with only a town cop and a bunch of red herrings is awful and absolutely swingy - town's power depends entirely on whether scum shuts off the cop (via kill or Serela) or not. It's stupid and RNG based, and given the pattern we've seen with the claimed roles, I don't buy it.

Also, the randomly instant night result was ridiculous.

BT · « **Reply #280 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:56:49 AM »

Remind me what Deputy is?

Is it backup cop when no cop exists because that is pretty stupid.

I don't know how I feel about Omba. All I know is I'd rather lynch Affinity.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #281 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:58:30 AM »

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Deputy is just a name for backup cop.

Omba and Affinity are probably buddies, all things considered. We can lynch Affinity first if it makes you happy, but I have more CONVICTION on Omba.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #282 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:04:43 AM »

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Also, Serela still needs to die too.

Quote from: Lying Scum

But if I'm nightkilled, Omba can receive one more result! I asked Shadoweh.

I don't see this in either capth's flip or Nameless' claim. How does it even work? I think your claim that there's a scum rolecop was a slip instead of a natural conclusion. It's looking pretty likely that you rolecopped capth, used his role for a fakeclaim that you thought you could use to give yourself town cred (or shill Omba!), then adjusted it with something contrived once it was pointed out how stupid it was.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #283 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:05:56 AM »

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Oh wait, I took a second look at his quote and realized I was reading it wrong. I thought Serela meant that his role let Omba get one more result after death instead of stopping cop scans instantly.

That's proooobably not as bad, but I'm still wary of him.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #284 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:07:26 AM »

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Though, Serela:
What happens when scum roleblocks Omba and kills you, and why did you not consider this?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #285 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:20:43 AM »

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##Nominate BT for glorious leader, by the way. Dude's crazy obvtown (sorry LLD) and I'd trust him with a power boost more than Rawr or Dan.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #286 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:25:00 AM »

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BT · « **Reply #287 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:26:09 AM »

Words.

I'm still kind of confused at the moment. :/

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #288 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:27:07 AM »

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So Nameless, you're the vig enabler, right?

How do you wanna explain being on the wagon of the claimed vig on D1?

BT, what are you confused about?

BT · « **Reply #289 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:29:15 AM »

Omba and Serela, for the most part.

Chaore · « **Reply #290 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:34:33 AM »

I'm not sure what I think of this claim.

On one hand it makes perfect sense, on the other hand it makes all of the sense and how curious he's universal when every other role is apparently tied to a specific and

Something REALLY feels like this is pushing a functional vanilla mafia mindset but I'm not sure if it's because it actually is or because the scum is fucking with us and i have a role that is technically an actual thing and yet kind of not and

i need sleep it's almost four at this point

what the fuck is with this game

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #291 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:50:23 AM »

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I'm gonna call the scumteam as Omba / Affinity / Serela / Nameless even though it's D3 and there's no scumflips. Because when your play is bad enough that you've already attempted to line up a lynch and forced a last minute wagon on a townie you considered a largely neutral read, there's no going back.

Omba is scum playwise for his inconsistent thought processes such as "Dan is town and Dorian's proooooobably town, but Dan's claim sucks for being unprovable even though Dorian's was unprovable too, Vote Dan with no further process", "BT is scum, oh hey it's D2 so I can ignore him except for when people are talking about scum dropping D1 opinions then later ignore him again", and "BT is scum, HW is scum... wait, no, Nameless is scum, ##Scan Chaore". He is also scum rolewise for claiming macho for no reason, being the only real role in a game full of functioning vanilla in a way that would make the set-up unnecessarily swingy, and randomly switching to a night action resolution that is overpowered and inconsistent with the rest of the game after previously stating that he bet the mod would end up giving him a night action resolution that would overpowered and inconsistent with the rest of the game.

Affinity is scum playwise for just rolling with the last minute LLD wagon and not attempting to push Dormio back into everybody's focus, and is scum rolewise because his role does not mesh with BT's (or Omba's doesn't).

Serela is scum playwise for not caring who the D2 lynch was at all or pushing his Affinity case seriously after D1 ended, and is scum rolewise for claiming at a time than it benefited scum more than town. That said, he's actually my weakest read at the moment.

Nameless is scum playwise for not advancing his cases D2 and only providing waffly wagon jump set-ups when prodded for opinions, and is scum rolewise for not giving Dorian's claim a second thought despite being the Vig Enabler.

That said, lynch today should be one of me and Omba just to get him out of the way first.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #292 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:25:51 AM »

You guys, you guys, Bob figured it out, everyone is town, and all we have to do is come to the same consensus and the mods will declare town the winner.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #293 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:28:24 AM »

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If I recall correctly, Pesco confirmed on IRC when people were herping around a while before the game started that the game features an uninformed majority versus an informed minority. If he was trolling and the game is all town, then he and Shadoweh should probably be banned from modding.

I'll repeat it as many times as necessary. Shadoweh is a dirty liar and I have been trying all along to ensure you guys weren't suckered into her Wrathie-gasm. :V

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #294 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:33:11 AM »

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Also, even though the sign-ups were advertised as bastard, Shadoweh and UK said they thought it was more role madness than bastard mod. A game with town only is beyond doubt a bastard game.

Plus, there needs to be a scum faction for Omba to be scum.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #295 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:35:51 AM »

Seriously though, I do agree with HW that Omba is the odd man out, taking roles into account.
Also, I'm Chaore's opposite, the Actor.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #296 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:36:01 AM »

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... oh, unless that post was a joke to confirm that you're here, in which case i'm p. dumb

Cut confirming that I'm dumb.

BT · « **Reply #297 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:45:48 AM »

So here's the deal.

This isn't a "bastard mod" game because the mods aren't lying.

Dorian's role does not state that a cult exists itg, only that it kills cult members.
K4U's role does not state that a survivor or SK exist itg, only that it turns survivors and SKs into vanilla townies.
The "looking for" roles do not state that the role they are looking for is itg, only that they turn into that role if they target it.

Ergo, none of these things are in the game.

##Vote Omba

...

##Unvote

Or they might be trolling us by putting in a lone PR. That can't get targeted by the doctor that doesn't exist. That would actually make sense.

Hnnnnggggggh.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #298 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:48:30 AM »

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I already covered why a lone PR is bad from a set-up perspective:

Quote from: huh what on April 11, 2012, 06:55:01 AM

A town set-up with only a town cop and a bunch of red herrings is awful and absolutely swingy - town's power depends entirely on whether scum shuts off the cop (via kill or Serela) or not. It's stupid and RNG based, and given the pattern we've seen with the claimed roles, I don't buy it.

Furthermore, there are more problems with Omba's status as a Macho Cop beyond the fact that he is one, based on his play (and the instant result from last night). Read my posts, etc

BT · « **Reply #299 on:** April 11, 2012, 09:04:54 AM »

I'm kind of trying to consider what would lead Scum!Affinity to fakeclaim a backup role that differs from all the other backup roles. Or coordinate his claim with Omba's, seeing as they both have different ##commands, etc.