Author Topic: Touhou Accomplishments 15 - Virtue of Win God Edition (Read 184430 times)

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #720 on:** May 09, 2012, 05:09:34 AM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 06, 2012, 02:18:50 AM

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20861
Mountain of Faith 90 FPS extra clear!

Without MarisaC, with FoxFanatic said he needed the 4 frostthrowers on Suwako for to beat.
5 captures, including Jade of the Horrid River and Snake Eats the Croaking Frog.

(admittedly this was ages ago, and I only had the 72DPS for the two most threatening cards and Mishaguji: Seven Stones and Froggy Braves the Elements)

AT ANY RATE
A part of me is feeling "I liked 90fps before it was cool" but the other 90% of me is feeling glad to see all this happening.
Congrats on all the clears!

BT · « **Reply #721 on:** May 09, 2012, 11:56:29 AM »

Quote from: Karisa on May 08, 2012, 09:58:04 PM

EoSD Lunatic? Isn't that one of the hardest in the series? I only have that and UFO remaining of the main games (not counting PoDD/PoFV). (Well, and SoEW, but that game is annoying for the wrong reasons, and not that hard anyway.)

I'd probably rank the Windows games, from easiest to hardest to 1cc on Lunatic, TD, PCB, IN/MoF, SA, EoSD, UFO.

I wasn't ranking them by difficulty.

UFO is a terrible game to start with since it requires a lot of persistence+planning ability+dodging ability(sometimes!) and can get you rilled up easily, especially if you're outclassed.
PCB can give you a wrong sense of how good your dodging ability is, seeing as your success is often dependant on how clumsy your own character's hitbox/movement is, or opposing hitboxes.
He's already done SA.
TD is a disgrace.

I just find EoSD and MoF the most fun, really. I didn't suggest IN because you can bombspam it even worse than in MoF and the memorization required & hitboxes can really get on your nerves.

By the way, you shouldn't necessarily start with the easiest game, but the game you have the most fun playing (assuming it's not out of your league). It's why I've 1cc'd EoSD Lunatic first and have yet to 1cc TD Lunatic, for example.

Lepetit89 · « **Reply #722 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:07:12 PM »

Good grief, what's with you guys and those unnecessarily big words? TD is easier, sure, but I wouldn't really want to call it "a disgrace", you'll just make people feel bad about their 1CCs there. I think it's still genuinely challenging, especially during Stages 2 to 4, but as far as developing a sense for timing and strategy as well proper resource management are concerned, I think it's a very solid choice, especially if we're talking about the first or second Lunatic clear.

Personally, I'd recommend either TD or IN for quite a few of the reasons that apply to TD as well as the unlockables being a great motivational factor in general.

BT · « **Reply #723 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:34:25 PM »

It's a disgrace to a series of STGs because there is next to no dodging involved in the entire game when you play the game like the designer intended you to. It's not a disgrace because it's easy; executing (and, in my case, finding the will to practice) trance routes isn't necessarily easy at all.

When I think of motivation, I think of gaining the ability to dodge things you couldn't dodge before. Games like TD won't help you with that.

Zil · « **Reply #724 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:52:11 PM »

I'm not sure ZUN fully realizes what kind of games he is creating when he comes up the scoring systems, so I'm not sure you can call it "the way the designer meant it to be played." I have a very hard time believing he would design the game like that while being fully aware of what the system boils down to. Nonetheless, I have to agree. Ten Desires is ridiculous when you play it a certain way, which is the way that it recquires if you aren't good enough to clear it the fun way. Just look at what I had to do to clear it at 90fps. So I'd say to save TD for when you can confidently clear the game without having to abuse the psychotic trance/bomb system.

Lepetit89 · « **Reply #725 on:** May 09, 2012, 01:57:51 PM »

Ah, I see, that is certainly true, I think that is especially prevalent in Stage 5 and 6 for instance. Stage 5 in particular can pretty much sustain itself if you go with the right route and get the maximum amount of Bombs - you'll only have to be able to deal with maybe 1 or 2 patterns total and Stage 6 doesn't have any real walls like, say, VoWG or LFS. Nonetheless, I think that doesn't quite hold up for Stages 3 and 4, though, so I wouldn't say that there's no dodging involved at all - I think the distribution is just a bit off.

To a certain degree you can play UFO like that as well, but there are more than enough parts where you need to dodge, whether it's because you screwed up a UFO route or because something else happened. And even if all goes well, there's still LFS. Not to mention, the correct execution of the UFO routes, oh boy.

Motivation probably depends a lot on the player, I just have the most fun unlocking Stages and Spellcards for Practice Mode so I can play them without any stress.

Anyway, thanks for explaining that phrase, I misunderstood your intention, though I'm still not a fan of such words.

SuccinctAndPunchy · « **Reply #726 on:** May 09, 2012, 06:41:48 PM »

Finally cleared Scene 4 on DS at 90FPS.

I've chosen to do this somewhat methodically, although this probably won't last once I start getting to the harder scenes.

I will say this though, I've never fully completed Scene 4 at normal speed, so this is a huge improvement for me.

4-2 was utterly wretched, it took 320 fucking attempts before a clear was achieved.

Elysia · « **Reply #727 on:** May 09, 2012, 06:54:37 PM »

So let's face it, I'm utterly incapable of reading ANYTHING during 10-6.

I decided a while back to instead memorize absolutely everything and plan a route through meticulous trial and error.

It took me 2286 shots but I FINALLY managed to get a route that gets me 5 shots with relative consistency.

Right now I'm completely exhausted from all that playing, but unlike the last bunch of shots, I don't need to plan a route for the sixth, since getting it just once is enough. So I should have a clear sometime in the very near future.

SuccinctAndPunchy · « **Reply #728 on:** May 09, 2012, 06:58:08 PM »

Quote from: Malkyrian on May 09, 2012, 06:54:37 PM

It took me 2286 shots

What the actual fuck.

Patience like that is an accomplishment in of itself.

Lepetit89 · « **Reply #729 on:** May 09, 2012, 07:04:38 PM »

Look at the bright side, it's at 90FPS, so you can go through those photos a little faster!

Kliff · « **Reply #730 on:** May 09, 2012, 07:07:41 PM »

On a higher note altogether:

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20963

This makes my fifth Extra boss beaten - Suwako Moriya has fallen.

Buu · « **Reply #731 on:** May 09, 2012, 07:35:17 PM »

Oh wow, I literally had a mental breakdown yesterday. I apologize for the dumb posting I was doing - and for hijacking the thread again.

I don't want to go in-depth as to what exactly happened so I'll leave it at "stupid shit happening". In any case, it doesn't excuse my attitude on here. Though I didn't want to pull a silent leave either (not that I would be able to keep it up for long anyway) so I figured it's better to just apologize and not hide like a wuss.

I'll be on hiatus for the next while, the series abnormally took over my life the past weeks; I have never obsessed over something to this degree. A lot of thinking has to be done (which doesn't include Touhou only, but it does among other factors).

Anyway, I don't want any pity or anything of the sorts, I just felt some explaining was due. Again I apologize for my recent behavior and I hope we can leave this behind.

Best thing you just ignore this post in its entirety and carry on with your Wins.

On the topic of TD: It was the game that got me into the whole series in the first place. Calling it a disgrace might be a bit blown out of proportion, for STG newcomers it's the perfect game with its rather simple danmaku and mechanics compared to the rest of the series. Given its rather scarce live and bomb extends (unless you know when exactly to trance/bomb - given that you have the resources at those points when they're necessary) it still retains some of the challenge, especially on Lunatic; you have less room to mess up due to the low amount of resources unless you know what you're doing.

Of course for all the peeps who have cleared the other games on Hard/Lunatic before, TD might be a cakewalk, no arguing. But going as far as calling it a disgrace is IMO a bit too much. ;P

Lepetit89 · « **Reply #732 on:** May 09, 2012, 08:19:18 PM »

Frankly speaking, I'm not your biggest fan, and I'm sure you've noticed that.

I've had my personal issues with you, however, that apology right there is something I can respect, so take your time to get your issues sorted out and come back after that. I might have jumped to conclusions regarding certain things you might have done myself, so let's find out if we can get along after all once you're back. Until then, just don't get your priorities mixed up - everything's cool in the right quantities, the right quantity being the one that lets you focus on the most important issues first.

Esper · « **Reply #733 on:** May 09, 2012, 10:25:27 PM »

Cleared Marine Benefit's Extra Stage.

Honestly her cards were fun but in the rage thread I'm going to bitch about the card that MAKES A BACKGROUND THAT BLENDS IN WITH THE FUCKING BULLETS

Karisa · « **Reply #734 on:** May 10, 2012, 12:19:37 AM »

Quote from: Zil on May 09, 2012, 01:52:11 PM

I'm not sure ZUN fully realizes what kind of games he is creating when he comes up the scoring systems, so I'm not sure you can call it "the way the designer meant it to be played." I have a very hard time believing he would design the game like that while being fully aware of what the system boils down to.

I think I agree with this. If you look at TD's patterns, a lot of them seem designed to be harder but possible to stay close to the bosses while also dodging the patterns. Look at, say, Futo's arrow non-cards, or Miko's first and third cards. (No-bombs-no-manual-trance scoring seems like it could be pretty interesting, though I'm not sure who would bother scoring with added restrictions.)

I wonder if it would have been better if bosses didn't give as many spirits (say, blue or gray only instead of both) during bombs, or if spirits collected during bombs didn't add to the trance meter...

I have no name · « **Reply #735 on:** May 10, 2012, 12:32:07 AM »

Quote from: Karisa on May 10, 2012, 12:19:37 AM

I think I agree with this. If you look at TD's patterns, a lot of them seem designed to be harder but possible to stay close to the bosses while also dodging the patterns. Look at, say, Futo's arrow non-cards, or Miko's first and third cards. (No-bombs-no-manual-trance scoring seems like it could be pretty interesting, though I'm not sure who would bother scoring with added restrictions.)

I wonder if it would have been better if bosses didn't give as many spirits (say, blue or gray only instead of both) during bombs, or if spirits collected during bombs didn't add to the trance meter...

When I look at TD's pattern i think "this is stupid" and quickly go play a much better game.

Random · « **Reply #736 on:** May 10, 2012, 12:40:05 AM »

Quote from: Lepetit89 on May 09, 2012, 08:19:18 PM

the right quantity being the one that lets you focus on the most important issues first.

And on that note, I'm taking my own small hiatus as well. Finals are coming up, and I can't afford to do poorly on any of them. ;P Until then, see you guys on the second week of June.

I have no name · « **Reply #737 on:** May 10, 2012, 07:30:20 AM »

Double Spoiler 90 FPS done through 6-3.
6-2 took 216 shots and 6-3 took 261 shots.
Who knew circling was so hard?

Seppo Hovi · « **Reply #738 on:** May 10, 2012, 08:18:52 AM »

Hah. Finally.

Replay

3.97% slowdown a shit, some noncards caused too much trouble for this old computer I was using. Whatever.

I'm content with this 1b. Now it won't haunt me anymore, and I can return to fully grinding UFO.

... Maybe. Unless .ASP hates me ;___;

Esper · « **Reply #739 on:** May 10, 2012, 09:43:51 PM »

Replay

Finally fucking beat Koishi, after four tries or so that get to Philosophy of a Hated Mind. She's the best Extra Stage as far as uniqueness. Suwako Moriya is the most fun Extra Stage, though.

I went, from Genetics (Which I timed out again) to the end of Subterranean Rose, four spare lives to zero.

Zengeku · « **Reply #740 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:08:51 PM »

I was reflecting on my past. On what I wanted to do with my life. And some other filosophical stuff I won't bore you guys with. In the process I thought, I never really cleared Great Fairy Wars Lunatic on other routes than A1. Let's go fix that. UFO, SA and MoF are fun games but I've played them so much that I'm starting to lose my interest in playing Touhou and with no announcements of a Touhou 14 I needed to look at what we already have. So have my first stab at clearing these modes. GFW Lunatic A-2 clear. It took two attempts. One to find out what's where and one to clear it with 700+ motivation.

Even if the game is very resource heavy, it's still exhilerating fun on Lunatic mode. I've probably already mentioned this but the stages are really good. It's like ZUN didn't design these. What the hell happened? They are not terrible? Call an ambulance guys! Why can't the main games have stages like these? You know, with the fast bullets and forcing me to move around the screen rather than just tedious micrododging? The boss patterns are also devastating on Lunatic mode. I had a chance to Gold medal a lot of them on Hard but on Lunatic the patterns are so tough that I need to use the Ice for basically all of them (which still doesn't kill their challenge).

The game might not be hard to 1cc but the patterns are still intense enough that it's fun.

Good times. Esupanitix, you should play this game too.

Esper · « **Reply #741 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:35:00 PM »

Quote from: Zengeku on May 10, 2012, 10:08:51 PM

Good times. Esupanitix, you should play this game too.

I have played it. It's very fun to me. I 1cc'd routes A1 and A2 on Normal and I'm stuck on B1. Fucking hell Sapphire, why do your cards knock me from 600% to 200% on a normal basis?

I'd rely on using all of my bombs but BOMBS AREN'T RESTORED ON EVERY LIFE NOW ARE THEY

SON OF A BIIIITCH

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I have no name · « **Reply #742 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:37:17 PM »

Skip to the C routes, they're easier than the B routes. I have hard clears on both A and both C routes, but neither B route.

Elysia · « **Reply #743 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:38:56 PM »

IT'S OVER!

IT'S FINALLY OVER!

FOUR THOUSAND SHOTS, it took me.

But I finally did it! I FUCKING CAPTURED 10-6!

Esper · « **Reply #744 on:** May 10, 2012, 10:46:03 PM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 10, 2012, 10:37:17 PM

Skip to the C routes, they're easier than the B routes. I have hard clears on both A and both C routes, but neither B route.

But I'll never unlock Extra which is the reason that I'm even PLAYING the B routes

As for accomplishments, I've had 3 run-ins with GFW Stage 1 Lily White on Lunatic in a row without having any issues (I.E. I dodged through waves I couldn't freeze).

I have no name · « **Reply #745 on:** May 10, 2012, 11:00:05 PM »

Quote from: Ace on May 10, 2012, 10:46:03 PM

But I'll never unlock Extra which is the reason that I'm even PLAYING the B routes

Then 1cc those on easy to unlock extra

I'm not even sure if this is an accomplishment, especially after Malkyrian's post, but:
DS 7-3 90 FPS in 5 shots (requires 5)
DS 7-4 90 FPS in 6 shots (requires 5)
DS 7-5 90 FPS in 16 shots (requires 6)
DS 7-6 90 FPS in 17 shots (requires 7)
Compare to Stage 6's 216, 261 and 194 for 6-2, 6-3 and 6-8, respectively.

I'm skipping 6-5, 7-1, 7-2 and 7-7 for now.

Esper · « **Reply #746 on:** May 10, 2012, 11:01:13 PM »

Quote from: I have no name on May 10, 2012, 11:00:05 PM

Then 1cc those on easy to unlock extra

But it's boringgggg

Ranko Hoshino · « **Reply #747 on:** May 10, 2012, 11:10:01 PM »

Perfect IN Yukari Easy clear GET!!! I even caught all five of Kaguya's Last Spells this time, so it really is a perfect run! :toot:

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=21018

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9B2I5HHojc

Zil · « **Reply #748 on:** May 10, 2012, 11:20:54 PM »

Nicely done Malkyrian! I really didn't think you'd get that one, but there you go. Truly impressive! There's only that one left, then. Good luck.

SuccinctAndPunchy · « **Reply #749 on:** May 11, 2012, 12:11:33 PM »

Quote from: Malkyrian on May 10, 2012, 10:38:56 PM

IT'S OVER!

IT'S FINALLY OVER!

FOUR THOUSAND SHOTS, it took me.

But I finally did it! I FUCKING CAPTURED 10-6!

I know I said I thought it'd be a case of when and not if, but seriously four thousand shots?.

Crazily persistent does not even begin to describe what you are.

Massive congratulations from someone still banging their head against 90FPS Scene 5 DS. :V I sympathise with how utterly infuriating 90FPS photography can be.

On the bright side, only BoWaP to go now, right?

And now we place bets on how many shots it will take! Go go go!

Author Topic: Touhou Accomplishments 15 - Virtue of Win God Edition (Read 184430 times)

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