Touhou Accomplishments 15 - Virtue of Win God Edition

[Byaaakuren]

Speaking of UFO, first Hard 1cc. No deaths until boss Ichirin with some surprising captures (Nazrin's finisher, Kogasa's finisher, Vajra to name a few) and I still end up with a life left.

On one hand, I'm happy because I 1cced Hard. On the other hand, I'm sad because it means now I'll have to play Lunatic if I want to do anything better.

If you haven't done it, play Hard without summoning and Red and Green UFOs :3

On topic, cleared Ten Desires Hard with someone who isn't Youmu :toot:

[Chuckolator]

If you haven't done it, play Hard without summoning and Red and Green UFOs :3

No reds? Hell no, the only reason I made it so far was because I built up eight lives before Murasa. >_>

[I have no name]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20234
Virtue of Wind God 2 death no bomb timeout!
Deaths are at 99 (right as the timer starts ticking down, every time, like clockwork) and 14 (misread a wall and tried to squeeze through a closing gap).

I can totally time this out perfectly.

[Zil]

Do it. It would be awesome. BV


And I've finally reached a good conclusion for which EoSD shottype to use. It will be ReimuA for a number of reasons. Now I just have to practice...

[I have no name]

GFW hard C2 clear.
0/0 going into the final card, get a bomb, use the bomb to get a life, die, clear 0/0.

Sounds about right.

[Zil]

Oh god this is excellent. Not only have I found a way to abuse Sakuya's midboss spell, but I can run down the timer to skip the random spam right after. Just need a reliable way to do Misdirection and I can get through the stage with only one bomb, or none if I'm lucky/not at full power going in. Getting better at Koakuma and other crap in stage 4. 1-3 are dead-set. The World still needs work, and all of Remilia, but this is actually coming together. \o/

[BT]

Go for gold.

If the S5 Midboss method involves going above Sakuya, then yeah, it's actually kind of a known method. :I

You can memorize Misdirection more or less.

[Jaimers]

Yeah and The World can be trivialized by misdirecting it on the right or left wall.

This was all covered in the ultra run man ;_;

[Zil]

I didn't watch the stages that I was still working on because I wanted to figure what I could on my own, then see if I missed anything after that.

I knew about misdirecting The World (who doesn't?), but I need to... refine my technique, I guess.

[Lepetit89]

Midboss Sakuya is extremely easy using that method, though you have to be careful when getting back in front of her since the transition is somewhat dangerous, think it was when she moved left, no idea anymore, been too long. I'd always go down around the 10 second mark to have enough time left to actually finish her off.
Guess it doesn't matter much with Reimu A, though, do the homing shots deal enough damage to deplete her entire healthbar before the timer reaches 0?

On another note, I certainly love your mindset, that's how men play, figuring out things on their own!

[I have no name]

No, the homing shots alone aren't enough to finish it off.
I found this out the hard way.

[Lepetit89]

Yikes, my condolences. Well, guess it will at the very least relieve some of the pressure when it comes to actually finishing the job.

[XephyrEnigma]

LLS Normal 1cc!

...okay, i know that doesnt entirely prove it, but i forgot to take a picture of the screen after it. Regardless. It is done.

[MTSranger]

You can damage Sakuya from above if you stand on Sakuya's head.
This is not hard to do even at 90 fps - I just tried.
No need to go back down, plus you get 2k+ graze.
Basically for the first wave, left/right/up, and for any other wave, right/left/right/up.
Left = stand slightly left of Sakuya's head, right = slightly right, up = move up before the last red wave so you don't get tackled.

[Zil]

Yeah, you can hit her head if you get close enough, though I drop down just before ending it so I have more time to position myself for the spell. I just checked Jaimers' Ultra run and I'm pretty much doing exactly what he did. :V The only thing that trips me up there when she goes the wrong direction, but if I'm paying attention I can deal with that, I think.

[Random]

2nd on rf

a good place to graze honest man's death would be amazing

[Chuckolator]

Continue #3266442 for UFO Stage 6 Lunatic practice unlock, same old, same old, bomb here, bomb here, enter LFS with one life, try not to die too soon?



wait, what did I just do?

[Serela]

Opened up IN for spell practice modo since why not, finished off Ex-Keine's last word, finally got a capture on Kaguya's lunatic Lifespring Infinity (Only using vertical when dodging the star rings made it a MILLION times easier for me and it only took a few tries), and AUUUGH TACKLING FANTASY HEAVEN

After a half hour I got to where I had a strategy that allowed me to consistently reach the 3 seconds left part of the card with absolutely no issues unless I derped it up or Reimu got abnormally close to the bottom. The 3 second part was impossible.

And then, in the same run where I figured out how to consistently dodge the wave at 3 seconds, she was high up enough I think that I just ran along the bottom and up the right side to dodge the rest and woohoo Rewatching the replay over and over because finallllyyyyyy (Some of the movements are overly flamboyant because it made it slightly more interesting to go wheeeeeeeeeee)

Now the only thing I have left to capture is GODDAMN LUNATIC HOURAI JEWEL AUGH. This thing still seems entirely impossible. I can figure out how to stream at the bottom, but the technique I'm copying from this video I have sooooo much trouble pulling off. I know -when- I need to make the redirection jump, but just... bleeegh.

Still, awww yeah Lifespring Infinity and learned how to consistently Fantasy Heaven (At the least consistently to 1~2 seconds left). Also poked lunatic Starlight Typhoon for memory sake and realized the ridiculously easier method of only dodging at the bottom by going through lasers.

[Seppo Hovi]

Great work, people above!

Don't you just love how Marisa has the capacity to completely dismantle boss familiar to make the fights easier?  2 Billion is my current goal

Gah, I was supposed to answer to this ages ago.

Well, I hope this is not too late. :blush:

Marisa indeed can and will shoot down familiars, whenever there are any around. However, her darn magic napalm, when destroying a familiar, has a weird habit of causing the damage for the noncard to end, in the case you were farming for timepoints. Magic Team also has generally not-too-easy gameplay, given how you have to succeed in a couple of supergrazes to gain the "needed" amount of points (maybe not for 2b, never tried dropping the ones I use), and Alice is, while also low damaging shot that makes some supergrazes hard to end in time, fast moving and relatively large hitboxed.

In my opinion, the easiest 2b would probably be Youmu solo, since with her timepoint gain you can just basically shoot stuff down unfocused, not caring too much about external timepoint farming, and still break 2b. So, if you want to go for an easy 2b, play with Youmu. But, if you want to use a shot you like more, whether it was Border team (We need more Border team easy 2b's on the scoreboard!) or Magic team. Or whatever shot-type you like to use.  Always play what you want to play, don't make it feel like it was forced. That's my philosophy, and it has made me rather slow, but overall pleased with the games.

[Ranko Hoshino]

small achievement: Perfect IN Stage 6A Easy clear with Hourai Elixir capture. At least something is going right for me. :V

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20252

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-iV2vXfOk4

[RegalStar]

Haven't tried in ages to seriously attempt IN Lunatic, but I was talking about Touhou to a diehard IN fan earlier today, so I booted it up and tried a 7 lives 1cc again to unlock stage for practice.

I actually lasted all the way to Hourai Jewel without dipping below 4 lives. Just a little more and a true 1cc will be mine?

[Makai Butterfly]

Thanks for the reply, Seppo.  I'll do some runs with Youmu to see how I fare.  I'm not the biggest fan of her familiar system, so it's something I'll have to get used to again.  My IN Easy runs are largely unfocused, so I happen to find 4-B (Marisa's Stage) the easier route because Reimu's yin-yang orbs are an absolute horror to dodge when you can't simply make them go invisible.  I'm curious as to what supergrazes you were referring to.  Most of the ones that I know how to do are fairly suicidal with Magic Team's speed unless you're using Alice, which I generally don't do (see above, unfocused only).  Maybe I'll also do some runs with Border Team, Reimu Solo, and Yukari Solo to see how high I can get my score.

[Byaaakuren]

Thanks for the reply, Seppo.  I'll do some runs with Youmu to see how I fare.  I'm not the biggest fan of her familiar system, so it's something I'll have to get used to again.  My IN Easy runs are largely unfocused, so I happen to find 4-B (Marisa's Stage) the easier route because Reimu's yin-yang orbs are an absolute horror to dodge when you can't simply make them go invisible.  I'm curious as to what supergrazes you were referring to.  Most of the ones that I know how to do are fairly suicidal with Magic Team's speed unless you're using Alice, which I generally don't do (see above, unfocused only).  Maybe I'll also do some runs with Border Team, Reimu Solo, and Yukari Solo to see how high I can get my score.

Good luck in breaking 2 billion. Don't forget to bomb with Youmu at the beginning of Stage 1

[Hinacle]

May not be much but, I managed to 1cc EoSW on normal and 1cc the remastered version on normal with all 4 shotypes. There's still more I did BOTH extra stages (on the remastered version) and managed to do a perfect youmu in PCB on normal.  Now if you'll excuse me I need to go rage at the prismriver sisters and yuyuko for being the only people who I can't perfect.

[Chalros22]

May not be much but, I managed to 1cc EoSW on normal and 1cc the remastered version on normal with all 4 shotypes. There's still more I did BOTH extra stages (on the remastered version) and managed to do a perfect youmu in PCB on normal.  Now if you'll excuse me I need to go rage at the prismriver sisters and yuyuko for being the only people who I can't perfect.

Congrats on Youmu, I can never get it all right, but then again I never do stage practice. I've managed the prisms once or twice but good luck on getting them or Yuyuko since they are both pretty tough.

[Tengukami]

Progress more than accomplishment today: Marisa in Stage 4 of IN has been pretty frustrating for me, more so than any other boss in the game. Normally there's been a lot of bombing and death. Watching replays from Xephyr and ihavenoname today, I've managed to capture her first three spellcards, and know what I need to do to capture the last two (provided I can get my reflexes up to snuff).

[Zil]

Progress like that is the real kind of accomlishment in my opinion. Once you get good at things it's just a matter of linking everything together.

[Seppo Hovi]

I'm curious as to what supergrazes you were referring to.

Well, here are the supergrazes I'm able to pull off. Not consistently, and most of these are not optimal.

• Wriggle's first card - Done rather falsely. This one was always hard to pull off for me, and I don't use it on my full runs yet. Mostly profitable for youkai solos, and maybe Scarlet team.
• Phantasmal empeor - safe style is a grazing method I use for most shots that include a youkai. KWS does not do this on his Magic team WR, so I'm not sure if it's profitable for the said team.
• Phantasmal empeor - st-style is a bit more profitable method for Keine's last card. However, this one is horribly hard to pull off, so I suggest just going with the old route, unless you're rather consistent with this one.
• Reimu's first card is probably the most necessary supergraze for teams that go for the stage 4A. It gives a huge amount of timepoints, even while not done optimally (optimal grazing would be a constant grazing of both streams, outer and inner.)
• Evil Sealing Circle is another one you could graze when going for score. However, unless you are playing on a shot including Remilia, you may want to skip this, unless you're sure of being able to pull this off, since Alice is not high-damaging enough to end it before it gets hairy, and both Sakuya and Marisa might need tight dodging without focus, which I never liked. You can, of course, do some little adjustment with focusing only momentarily to move, but it takes a while to get into.
• Reimu's final card can be grazed by going near the center of the screen, to constantly gain graze from almost all of the streams shot by the familiars. However, sometimes the RNG will be a bitch, and Reimu will move down on the screen instead of moving up, so you will need to watch for not colliding with her, and for the external amulets she shoots if you get too near to her.
• Reisen's final card can be "grazed", but it is not profitable on some teams. (human solos and possibly Magic team spring into mind)
• The fourth last spell is a graze giving you about 100M points. Yeah. 100M. You would really want the points when going for a high score, but almost every team which is able to break 2b, is able to do so without doing this. You might want to consider not going for this graze, since failing it will be costly (night bonus + ~35m spell card bonus + gained graze and time), and really late in the run.

There are also some other supergrazes, like Keine's midboss card and several things st does with Kaguya and Reisen, but I'm unable to copy, so I'm not showing them. I can tell about them, and link some st's replay, but I'm unable to show them in practice.[/list]

[Lepetit89]

Progress like that is the real kind of accomlishment in my opinion. Once you get good at things it's just a matter of linking everything together.

Yep, keep going at it, that's the best feeling you can get while playing!

GFW Hard B1 Clear from me! By comparison, it wasn't as hard as it was on Normal in comparison to the other routes, but still reason for a lot of insults directed at myself and fists smashing down on my table. There are some patterns I just can't deal with, the part right after Lily Black in Stage 2 seemed like bullshit to me, though I'm somewhat bad at handling stuff from so many directions anyway. On the positive side, there were a lot of great parts to stock up on Extra Lives, so after figuring out when and where to freeze, things really seem easier than Normal sometimes. Well, halfway through Hard, B2, C1 and C2 left, then Lunatic! Hope the other routes will be as easy as they were on Normal compared to B1.

Which reminds me, I really am just not capable of tapping. I realize that whenever I encounter Star Sapphire. Or maybe it's my vision?

[BT]

So I FINALLY got GFW and...

Turns out my first impression was "I really hate these controls".

It went away over a while, though! I managed to 1cc Hard A1 after a few attempt at understanding the game and after one attempt of reaching Star. As in, the end of A1-2 and the entirety of A1-3 were basically done blind. I think I fared pretty well.