So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 1)

[Conqueror]

Something bothers me about Omba's posts but I'm not sure what it is. Omba, how does your scumread of Chaore relate to the fact that he was pushing BT with you?

[Chaore]

@Capt.H: uh, I'd guess I'm just generally really careful as scum. K4U called me a coward (which still stings ;w;) and I don't think that's entirely false, given my first few games lead to me being beaten up on by her and similar folks repeatedly. That kind of carries to my town play too though, so...?

I tend to try and list one scum-buddy as town and one as scum or make no comment though, so it's not just 'he liked these guys therefore they are scum' or 'prolly bussed his buddies passively'. sometimes I think i end up wrapping them both up in 'no comment' though because in general I tend to hate posts that are 'here are my reads for everyone' and I do tend to sparingly post so

Not sure what the point of this is but here have it.

i'm also frankly not sure how correct it is given I'm A) completely biased because I'd like to think I play scum like I play town, B) currently completely and utterly braindead because I spent 18+ hours awake on papers and tests

If I find this is dumb when I get some sleep in, I'll let you know, but for now I just need to go die for a few hours

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Serela what the fuck.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dan too? You people are SPECIAL.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also.
##Vote ActionDan

well I would like not to kill Conq immediately.  He has been good to me.

... So this is like all, survival instincts kicking in or something, isn't it?

Also Serela, did your action resolve?

I don't recall Serela ever claiming.

Have I also mentioned how terrible Dan's #480 is? Seriously.

I hate you.

Is this supposed to be part of your reason to vote for LLD? I mean, it's a valid point and all you can deem to respond to it with is "I hate you."

Whatever, I have classes to get ready for.

[I have no name]

I don't recall Serela ever claiming.

I believe this was in response to Serela opening his box

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Whatever, I have classes to get ready for.

And it turns out that, despite my timetable saying that my lectures are still on, all faculties are closed today!
Whoo, mid-semester break.

[Conqueror]

Actually, due to ~*stuff*~, I'm probably going to have to replace out. Don't have enough time for thorough reads, so whatever.

Dan and BT are pretty solid town (plus Dan's claim is 80% town). Do not lynch ever. The cases on them involve a bunch of hoodoo and semantics and are not convincing at all.

capth. is insanetown but still pretty obvtown nonetheless.

Serela is probtown but isn't playing the game. Pretend this is anonymafia and let her rip.

This is probably one of two games where I've had a solid town read on Affinity (but he was scum in the other rofl).

LLD needs to tell people why Dan is scum instead of using buzzwords to reinforce a case that she's holding onto from ED1. (That said, anyone making a case on LLD needs to say why she's actually scum, :playstyle: is invalid). Dormio is similar; if he's town, he needs to stop tunneling with confirmation bias. I don't really have a scumread on either of them but eh.

That leaves...

I don't think Chaore is scum really, he's just here by PoE because I don't have an uber strong read on him. Same with I have no name and rawr. They've all done townish things but nothing that screams town to me.

I think Omba is scum but I can't put it into words. Partially PoE, but I want people to read his ISO, because there's a lot of theory fluff and point by point hammering on BT, but it feels like he's sniping from the sidelines, answering side questions like a good townie, etc. Mostly gut.

Been self destructing a lot of my thoughts because I can see it either way.
Therefore, I didn't really have much to post.
So I do apologize for adding needless frustration and looking like I'm not playing. Truly.

Scum waffling, no townie apologizes this much :seriouscase:, etc. Seriously, read his ISO. He's not taken one solid stance the entire game, and he shows up only to hammer. If this isn't scummy, I don't know what is.

##Vote: Mr. Bob.

I know this leaves me with 2 scumreads, so one of my town reads is probably wrong. Either that or we have a third party lovefest in which case lol gg no re.

[I have no name]

Mr. Bob, can you please explain what you meant by "You're fired" after the lynch yesterday?

Re-asking for the 3rd time.

##Vote: Mr. Bob
I was going to wait until you explained what the effect, if any, of what you did yesterday was, but then I took an arrow to the knee got tired of waiting.

[Conqueror]

I'll summarize parts of Bob's contribution to this game.

Dorian, I think the case on you by K4 is solid, but I can understand that you've been lagging, and been relegated to what seems to others like vote hopping, frustrated at fence sitting and outing an interesting role to fish for reactions, because as PX said, I can do anything (or something).  However, I think in general, you are untrustworthy, and you've sunk to a new low with a personal attack.

Dorian G. ##You're Fired.

Look Dorian, I'm sorry that you've been lagging behind and frustrated by the game, and Imma let you finish, but your personal attack (lolwut) on LLD is...untrustworthy. Not because we need a deadline lynch, but because Dorian is...untrustworthy? Feels like newbscum trying to overjustify a hammer that didn't even count.

#457 - Rawr shouldn't be cleared off a null, what Dorian did was bad but possibly town because townies are weird, I trust Affinity re BT/Chaore, I don't disagree with an LLD lynch, etc.
Rest of his ISO is more of the same.

[Serela]

Peeking in while I'm doing laundry, and I definitely agree with Conq's latest post. Scum overjustifying something is a thing I see... a lot, really. Most of the games I've been scum I see a scumpartner going on and I'm thinking "...aren't/wouldn't any of the townies just go ##Vote:____ and have maybe one short "duh." in this situation and be done with it?"

Also conq is town

back to laundry

[Shadoweh]

The Twentieth Votecount of My Kitty Noooo

Action Dan (1): Dormio
Lady Lambdadelta (1): Action Dan
Mr. Bob (2): Conqueror, I have no name
Conqueror (1): capt.h

Not voting: Everyone else

Boxes Opened: Serela, Action Dan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

There are 71 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown

[Lexicat]

##Vote: Conq
 
##Open the Box

[Affinity]

Not sure what to think of yesterday's wagons, but Dorian's claim makes the movements between wagons more than WIFOM.  I'm quite sure scum would have wanted the anti-cult vig to live over other townies, which partially explains the sudden swelling of the Dan wagon to L-1 as at least half of them shifted to the Dan wagon.  I think this is pretty strong evidence that Dan is town, and that people who suddenly came in to vote for Dan without much prior reasoning, such as Serela (though that LLD vote makes me feel a bit better), rawr, Omba, deserve scrutiny. 

Will be back with a vote soon.

[Conqueror]

K4u is most likely town. There's one thing she did that was utterly strange but... let's put that aside for now.

Would like elaboration on this.

I think that's all I can give to this game. Good luck town.

@mod: Official request to replace out.

[Shadoweh]

Jesus replaces Conqueror, effective immediately.

In some circles he is merely known as huh what.

[capt. h]

WELP. I think it's time to reveal my reasons.

The reason I asked all the players to talk about how they play scum, and how they interact with their buddies, and even for the links is because I had this IDEA.

When you ask scum if they're scum they say "Nope!" and you say "Liar!" and it all becomes absolutely worthless.

BUT, if you were to ask townies how they play scum, and were to do it on day 2 when we already have day 1 to look at, scum wouldn't be able to take day 1 back and switch up their meta. Course, they COULD just lie about it, or be deliberately vague. That's where the links come in.

Unless scum decided in advance that they're gonna switch it up, I REALLY doubt that scum would be willing to go into previous games in which they were scum, pick out day 1 posts that exemplify how they interact with their scum buddies and demonstrate exactly how they play as scum while explaining their scum thought, if it's the same way they were thinking at the beginning of the day. They would be drawing a straight line towards their buddies if they ever got lynched, and if they were honest, we could just lynch them for being scum. And we would KNOW if they were lying or not because we would have the posts right in front of us, because they would be linking them.

THUS the only players that can explain exactly how they play as scum while giving examples as proof which include their interactions with their buddies and explaining their thought process would be TOWNIES, because the thought process between the scum game and this game in which they're town would be different. Otherwise, we would know they were scum because they would be showing it to us.

The question, when answered honestly and completely, makes the game MUCH harder for scum, which is why I asked it.

- cut by Conq leaving - DARN IT

[Omba]

I think Omba is scum but I can't put it into words. Partially PoE, but I want people to read his ISO, because there's a lot of theory fluff and point by point hammering on BT, but it feels like he's sniping from the sidelines, answering side questions like a good townie, etc. Mostly gut.

PoE AND mostly gut. There is so much wrong with this I don't even.
Also, PoE D2? Really?
Then proceeds to vote the I do nothing-guy instead. Seriously?

##Vote Conqueror

--cut by Conqueror

Simple: She made it pretty damn obvious that she was some sort of cop for ITPs. Assuming she really was what she alluded to being, it made no sense to actually state it openly in response to something that wasn't even a claim that really conflicted with her role. Which in turn made me wonder why she said that at all; I didn't think it would make sense regardless of her alignment, though, so I said no more about it.

Other reads in a bit and I think Conq asked me about something else, too.

--cut again and bah replacements.

[capt. h]

Actually, PoE of a different sort is kinda sorta how I totally started really noticing Conq.

See, sometime after the Chaore/BT shoutfest, I realized Conq actually became THE ONLY BORING PERSON (yes I did keep track of the boring people). And since scum LIKE to be boring (boring is a good place to hide, I almost NEVER notice those guys), I decided to do a reread of him overnight and decided I thought he was playing a lot like scum would play.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

it sure is FDUCKING AWESOME to replace into two people voting me on the same page.

quack.

/confirm, won't be posting until tonight, though.

[Serela]

Oh right that jesus

for some reason I thought Youkai Jesus was replacing in

just about done with laundry! well until I do two more loads but that'll be tomorrow

wow I have a lot of shirts but only like one pair of pants, what's up with that

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

also, Conq is always boring, lrn2meta

I might not have even known he was playing if he wasn't the guy I replaced.

[Serela]

hey HW do I look like I've been letting zwlda borrow my account since the point of time when the box didn't blow up??? I just looked at my posts and went "wow this looks like zwlda doesn't it!"

that's probably not a good thing but I'm actually rereading stuff now to make a more sensible post at least

But yeah Conq is p.town

Or, err, hw is now! Except he hasn't actually posted yet??? Well hw always looks town anyway

[capt. h]

Or, err, hw is now! Except he hasn't actually posted yet??? Well hw always looks town anyway

If he always looks town, you may want to change the way you judge him.

I KNOW! Let's just ask him what the difference between his town game and his scum game is. Even if he doesn't have a day 1, it'll make it impossible for him to play by his scum meta!

Unless he's town, in which case it shouldn't be a problem!

[Serela]

Dear SHADOWEH am I really the one making these posts? I need to get my brain checked. Or have a hormone panel done or something. ...my friend Ty actually was telling me he really thinks I should get a hormone panel done a few days ago. He thinks I have hyperthyroidism. Hrm. Well anyway!


Dormio I think is scum. I'm going to try and figure out why this is so at some point. Some point might be later tonight or when I wake up tomorrow! I don't know. Hopefully it'll even result in a case! (Worst case scenario I change my mind ;_; But I don't think that will happen!)

Actually no wait he has such a silly Dan case today, yeah I doubt I would change my mind.

Bob is scummy because What Conq Said. (Blatant sheeping powers, go!)

Affinity is still scum so far! I've gone over this yesterday and nothing new has really happened in that field, but we'll see what his first contentpost of D2 turns out like.

LLD and Chaore and IHNN and Omba are , the others (Conq, Dan, Capth) are town.

Something about all these people jumping on Conq rigth away bothers me. It might just be because I think he's town? Maybe it's something about their reasons. Hrm :c Speaking of that, LLD I didn't even see any in your post... I apologize if they were stated on D1, but in any case if you could enlighten me as to why I'd be so grateful.

[Serela]

Capt.h, I think you're taking this a little too seriously :V But I guess it does make sense so why not.

My own personal answer is that I seem to be lurky and completely inadequate when I'm scum, unless it's anonymafia, in which case I can at least hold it together decently for a few days before I start falling apart.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

my typical scum game is that I am awesome

Now that we've got that out of the way, I can coast to endgame on horrible play because it won't be in line with my claimed scum meta. high-level mafia play

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

serious answer, I'm not actually that familiar with my own meta

As scum I go out of my way to do these little things that sound like they come from a town PoV so people will read me as town... only I do that as town too, because I always want people to read me as town.

I guess as town it's more natural.

I dunno, I think this is SILLY and ineffective and can only lead to gotcha games later on because people never actually play completely consistently from game to game.

[Serela]

Yeah, while the idea isn't bad, it isn't really as useful as one might think at first because the intricacies people's play varies from game to game due to vastly differentiating circumstance.

[Serela]

intricacies of people's play*