Author Topic: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN  (Read 92774 times)

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #150 on: February 29, 2012, 09:13:12 AM »
Hey. Hey Affinity. Are you going to ignore the elephant in the room or do you really want to push at it before you rush to a better vote? You're not a cute little newbie like the other two. You have no excuse for this.

If a wagon based on lynching a lurker who is currently voting one of his town reads is bad, how bad is a wagon based on the offensive of lynching a lurker that isn't providing the town with any content? I refuse to let this pass, a wagon practically built defending a person's right to lurk and provide zero reads on the weakest of days for scum. ICE's reasoning behind this is simple and plain to see for someone who isn't digging for bullshit scummy intentions. People who lurk are not encouraged to stop lurking by fakey pressure votes when they 'know' a lynch on a lurker just doesn't happen on Day 1. It's been well documented that the best strategy is to just not be here for the first day. And it's enabled by people like you starting counterwagons on the godamn obvious town doing the most hunting today. Instead of just waiting for PX to come back when he feels like it he wants to take the votes to him and show he's serious. Anyone voting based on a 'prod' needs to realize this person is serious about what he's doing.

So fuck off with your special wagon and find purchase somewhere that isn't going to bite you in the face the next day.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #151 on: February 29, 2012, 09:27:25 AM »
This is a super educated guess too but the prodding being done at people attacking ICE is probably because of how weird it is for people to be super-hard defending what they've all admitted is a null read themselves for no reason other then to shout Innocent before proven Guilty.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #152 on: February 29, 2012, 09:29:35 AM »
Elaborate what you mean in that second post, Shadoweh?

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #153 on: February 29, 2012, 09:37:57 AM »
I have to agree with weak scum hunting, I'm still trying to get a feel for how this whole thing works. (I'm guessing I should be asking more questions though).
flipfloppy?  I've changed votes all of twice, both times because I thought the person I changed my vote to was more scummy at the time.  boisterous?  I'm not trying to act that way.
Of course you're not trying to act that way. That's why it's cute and we like you.
I like all the newbies this game actually. This is like a fresh new beginning, I haven't felt this a happy since day effects threatened the land.

I'm not sure how to elaborate that. It's an observation that people seem in general offended that PX could possibly be considered scummy when he's made all of two posts, without taking into consideration that they don't have any proof he isn't either. There's no reason to defend him. Yet there's a wagon of pony lovers.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #154 on: February 29, 2012, 09:39:51 AM »
Oh, I understand it now and agree with what you're saying. It just needed to be re-worded.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #155 on: February 29, 2012, 11:06:42 AM »
Still not liking I have no name, the AtE hurts me, but perhaps I'm being too narrow minded here. Let's look at other stuff.

You know, you'd think that PX would be more active on D1.
##FoS PX

Not particularly liking GreyICE's response to Affinity's #141.
All it does is re-emphasize the fact that GreyICE is being pretty selective in what he responds to.
Dislike, but think that PX is more likely to be scum than him.

No clue what Anthy is doing. Null reads on pretty much everyone. Really highly strung up on figuring out someone's town read. A lot of reporting. And so on.
I don't like things that I don't understand.

Eh, whatever. Brain not working.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #156 on: February 29, 2012, 11:38:44 AM »
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If a wagon based on lynching a lurker who is currently voting one of his town reads is bad, how bad is a wagon based on the offensive of lynching a lurker that isn't providing the town with any content?

Sorry, I guess I phrased it wrongly; I have no qualms with the 'reasoning' behind why PX is scummy or even voting and lynching him for the day, it's just that solely voting him and not having any other scumreads is less than ideal, which is indeed the case with you, Serela, and Dan.  The reasons for going after him are so bone-headedly simple that scum can jump on the wagon (if PX is town) with impunity and spout the illusion of 'content'.  It is easy to be pro-town over a lifeless marionette.

There is no factor for future consideration that comes with a choice between X and Y.  It is merely a complete banking on a weak but reasonable assumption that active lurkers are scum, and if the assumption turns out wrong or subverted by, say, a reasonable post + vote from PX, then what remains is either a scramble for the next easiest target, or a failed D1 and a D2 with several people having nothing to their name except a few town-reads.  This has happened in the (ActionDan - Shadoweh - Dormio) scramble for PoR and the Hero999 thing in IMP, as it has in many other games. 

It is thus in town's interest to have at least a second, more interesting opinion on the scumminess of others other than PX.  GreyICE certainly has one on Anthy for 'rolefishing' (?) and tunneling (?), but given that that is a product of what I see as anti-town means, that makes him more scummy.

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His (Anthy's) methods haven't been pro-active and his opinions mainly revolve around null actions, so I don't think it's actual town-intended scumhunting. This is different from the PX wagon, which at least involves pressing PX over something legitimately scummy instead of just observing "weird" stuff he's done.

This is the funny thing here, most of those voting for PX (Dan, Serela, Shadoweh) aren't exactly proactive beyond the power of their vote and are merely, as you say, making the simple observation that he has no content whatsoever which happens to be universally accepted as scummy.  I'm not quite seeing the distinction you are making between Anthy, ShadyK, and these two groups; your vote does not seem to be a logical consequence of your premises.

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Affinity, what do you actually think of the newer players yourself? You seem to be using Serela and I's stances on them as venues to accuse, but you yourself have none.

I'm not seeing anything worth pointing out for today other than reportering; ShadyK is pro-active and reasonable in his token case against IHNM, with a good range of opinions.

I agree with Anthy's case on ICE, discounting the 'secret shenanigans' which I view as null, though his lack on the opinions on others is disturbing.  I espouse his comment about ICE more or less 'poking people with one sentence explanations' and 'active lurking', which rings true.

rawr's questioning of ICE is legitimate and I'm surprised ICE does not deign to answer him, though he needs to update his vote.  IHNM is completely null and has more or less represented half of where the winds were blowing today as a whole.  In short, not worth persuing today.

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #157 on: February 29, 2012, 01:01:44 PM »
But Anthy's case is the secret shenanigans. If you discount that there's nothing left in the case.

If PX were to magically appear and claim an innocent child that made voting him the epitome of scummy, I don't think the wagons would fall in a panic. There are a few people who are suspect because of the way the wagons have turned out. I got the impression ICE thinks Anthy and Rawr are scum, is that not evident in his posts to you?

I don't mind there being another wagon. I highly mind what that wagon is, because somehow without PX participating in the discussion this has turned into a PX vs ICE day and PX's side has a more then reasonable chance of winning. It's mind boggling.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #158 on: February 29, 2012, 01:09:02 PM »
Let me try and put that another way. This day is being framed as a 1 vs 1 without the consent of either party (Grey shutup I know you wouldn't mind). I'm positive at least one of these wagons is lame and fake. If PX would get his lazy pony butt in here I'd have an easier time judging whether the other wagon is fabricated or legitimate. Either way if you believe the way you do I don't think encouraging the situation is the answer.

In any case it is my belief people should be unvoted when they've proven things for themselves, not because other people take offense for them.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #159 on: February 29, 2012, 02:19:27 PM »
There is more to Anthy's case than secret shenanigans as can be seen here, which I took above.  It is one or two sentences, but then again the PX 'case' can be summarized in one or two sentences too.

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I don't think the wagons would fall in a panic. There are a few people who are suspect because of the way the wagons have turned out.

By panic, I would mean wagons arising which are unsubstantiated by the previous posts of the person in question.  If you think a few people are suspect, then you would do well to share with us as I have suggested.

I acknowledged that ICE has scumreads on rawr and Anthy scummy, but he has done nothing but antagonistically provoke rawr, refusing to answer questions (anti-town in every sense), and give Anthy's case far less attention than it deserves, preferring to harp about him rolefishing and stuff, which is in itself pretty null.  The opinions are there for him to change his vote from PX whenever smoothly, but they lack town justification behind them.  I also notice that he went onto them for going onto him in the first place, as can be seen with the precedent he set with his PX case.  Also, just to state again, I do have reasons as to why I think ICE scummiest for now.  I'm not voting him for the sole reason of balancing the wagons.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #160 on: February 29, 2012, 02:52:59 PM »
The Plague Ship Diaries

Who knows where the black sails will go

The natives on the island watched in silent horror as the black ship moved forward.  Its tattered sails looked incapable of propelling it, yet onward it lurched, and the natives could only watch in horror.

A rocking horse occupied the Captain's position, gently moving in time with the waves, a constant pendulum.  Although they denied it, it was clear to all the plague ship paid their painted captain great respect.

On the deck, a sinister man with a long drooping moustach sat hunched over his books.  "And if we carry that column we see... Antitown!" the dark accountant crowed, twirling his moustach. 

"Antitown, Antitown" the mechanical parrot on his shoulder cried.  Had anyone wanted to get close they would have seen the broken gears, the feathers glued to a metal frame, the eyes unfocused and faintly glowing.  Here was a dark parody of intelligent life, a symbol of the plague ship's hatred for all that breathed.

Clutching the rails was a new recruit, clearly unaware of the ship he had chosen.  "My gut, my gut" he moaned, emptying the purple, bileous contents over the side.  The rest of the crew ignored his sad cries.

As the plague ship sailed past the horrified natives, they heard a distant query, carried by the water: "does anyone think we could get a doctor?"

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #161 on: February 29, 2012, 03:08:50 PM »
Why the boat gotta be black and ofcourse the black ship has to be plagued
##unvote
##vote:ice

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #162 on: February 29, 2012, 04:23:09 PM »
I'm gonna be busy all day going work (it's P-set day!).  I have barely read anything since I last posted.  I have to read affinity and Hw closely. 

Also that vote with no words from Rawr caught my eye and it makes me frown.

At least, in all of this, Shadoweh looks so try-hard townie.

Don't lynch me.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #163 on: February 29, 2012, 04:25:28 PM »
I have no words to say, my previous posts speak for my vote.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #164 on: February 29, 2012, 05:02:07 PM »
So Rawr moves to my wagon, following the orders of Affinity... the person he was voting...

I actually think I love this wagon.  <3

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #165 on: February 29, 2012, 05:23:12 PM »

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) -
Dormio (0) - 
ActionDan (0) -
PX (Great and Powerful Trixie) (4) - ICE, Shadoweh, Dan, Serela
Dr Rawr (0) -
Serela (0) -
ShadyK (0) -
I have no name (1) -  Dormio
Shadoweh (0) - 
Affinity (0) -
Anthy (1) - huh what
ICE (5) - Anthy, PX, i have no name, Affinity, dr rawr

ICE is at L-2!


Not voting: ShadyK

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in ~29 hours.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #166 on: February 29, 2012, 05:27:48 PM »
Yes because i have no reason to vote you, nor have i ever actually thought you were scumy, and lets not forget about how you still ignore my question./sarcasm

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #167 on: February 29, 2012, 05:45:42 PM »
Yes because i have no reason to vote you, nor have i ever actually thought you were scumy, and lets not forget about how you still ignore my question./sarcasm
You know, I've answered all the questions asked to me that were actual questions. 

I've ignored all the questions that boil down to "I don't like what you're doing, so I'm going to order you to do what I want in the form of a question!"

Now, Rawr, what is your actual, legitimate question that I haven't answered?  Well, Rawr?  Give it here, now Rawr.  You have this line, Rawr, that I'm not answering questions, but this line, Rawr, I do not think it is very true. 

You are a liar, Rawr, and you are voting with someone you apparently thought was scum, on his direct request.  How very, very, very... convienent.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #168 on: February 29, 2012, 06:21:15 PM »
ok ice ill give to you ice the question ive asked an answer ice but you havent actually given me one ice so here it is ice.

Put your vote where your mouth is are you going to vote dormio? else what does trixies one post have that makes you want to keep your vote on him?
Ohh, you want to know why I won't take the pressure off a lurker whose response to my post was to run away and hide, to put it on someone who is actively posting and helping me get a better read on them?
Please answer my question, i dont need it in a form of a question kthnx

answering this question wont make you town and like i said i want an answer not in the form of a question. affinity only made one posts which i found odd at the start and his recent posts ive been ok with as more town then scum. this is mafia im allowed to change my reads. Pretty much any one who has been questioning you has been labeled as obvscum, you seemed to have forgotten dormio who was your second obv scum, your active lurking, and avoidance of questions is scum.

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #169 on: February 29, 2012, 06:23:46 PM »
That's what I mean, Rawr, that question is just an order.

"Take your vote off Trixie right now!  Go vote Dormio!" 

Well, no.  Trixie so far has, to her name:
- A confirmation post
- An OMGUS
- A prod dodge where she calls the person her vote is on town

So don't tell me where to stick my fucking vote, Rawr.   

Why is it so scary my vote is on Trixie, Rawr?

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #170 on: February 29, 2012, 06:27:37 PM »
Now Rawr, we're going to play a game.  You're chanting slogans very hard and very loud, but I don't think you know what they mean.

So, step 1, active lurking.  Apparently I'm not giving reads.

You're going to define each person in the town I haven't given reads on, Rawr.  Right now.  I want a list of every person I have not given reads on, Rawr.

Step two, you're going to find another question I have avoided.  "Questions" is plural, Rawr.  You're going to go find them, and dig them out.  And you're going to show how I haven't answered them in any of my posts.

At the end of the exercise, if I don't like the answers Rawr, you will die.


Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #171 on: February 29, 2012, 06:30:05 PM »
its not scary your attacks have been on me dormio px and anthy but you never actually bring up a case on either of these people just make slight comments on there posts.

buts its okay youre scum you dont have to asnwer the question

also i do like how again, you misinterpret what people say

useless cut

im not gonna spend the next halfhour getting all the posts together. also did you just claim townvig lol

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #172 on: February 29, 2012, 06:32:22 PM »
its not scary your attacks have been on me dormio px and anthy but you never actually bring up a case on either of these people just make slight comments on there posts.

buts its okay youre scum you dont have to asnwer the question

also i do like how again, you misinterpret what people say

useless cut

im not gonna spend the next halfhour getting all the posts together. also did you just claim townvig lol
So Rawr, you don't know?

Why would it take you half an hour, Rawr?  This thread is 4 pages long, and you've been reading along.  You're willing to have me die today, certainly you must have a good idea of why, right? 

So certainly you have a good idea of who I haven't given reads on.  Come on, you don't even need to reread, wing it!  Who haven't I given reads on, Rawr?  Off the top of your head.   NOW

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #173 on: February 29, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »
I had this really funny dream. I dreamed that there was a five vote wagon on someone obviously town because everyone hates loud noises. Good thing when I woke up everyone piled onto a possible scumspect instead and we could all pretend that never happened.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #174 on: February 29, 2012, 07:02:20 PM »
I had this really funny dream. I dreamed that there was a five vote wagon on someone obviously town because everyone hates loud noises. Good thing when I woke up everyone piled onto a possible scumspect instead and we could all pretend that never happened.
Haha~

Shall we dear?  That response from Rawr was about what I expected, and the 'brave Sir Robin' he just pulled :D

##Vote: Rawr

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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #175 on: February 29, 2012, 07:14:08 PM »
Hey just because Hourai is helping us work out our issues doesn't mean you get to call me dear. =.= I wear the pants in this thread.

HEY TOWNIES YOU ARE CORDIALLY INVITED TO GET THE FUCK OFF MY PARTNER AND FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO WAGON ON. THE SHADOWICE CORPORATION DOES NOT TOLERATE YOUR REASONLESS BICKERING AGAINST OUR TOWN PERSONAGES.

I went and bought popcorn to better enjoy his reactions to everyone so I will be damned if you lynch him and make me lose my entertainment.

No Rawr, he's not the vig, he's my partner in vigilante wagon-making and voting. Although he might have a gun too, I will ask in private. And he's not scum.  As I am a fair and benevolent Shadoweh who has mistaken your style for scummy waffling in the past I will give you a chance to redeem yourself from at least my wrath. The 'question' that you quote is him very obviously answering your question of why he wasn't changing his vote, and I'm under the impression he doesn't think Dormio is that scummy in comparison right now. If you can gracefully acknowledge your understanding and perhaps find someone else to wagon correctly you might just stop looking like special scum.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #176 on: February 29, 2012, 07:32:34 PM »
It's okay, you can all take your time to line up and kiss my feet. I'm a patient townie empress.

I expect to see five unvotes in the next page.


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Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #177 on: February 29, 2012, 07:35:18 PM »
if he doesnt think dormio is that scummy why did he call him obvscum lol. also why should i listen to you on who you think is town? last game you were pretty convinced knew hero999 was scum and not to mention even though px said he as scum you were still convinced he was town. sooo no i think ill get my own reads then sheep

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #178 on: February 29, 2012, 07:39:10 PM »
if he doesnt think dormio is that scummy why did he call him obvscum lol. also why should i listen to you on who you think is town? last game you were pretty convinced knew hero999 was scum and not to mention even though px said he as scum you were still convinced he was town. sooo no i think ill get my own reads then sheep
But you seem to be sheeping Affinity so nicely.

Come on Rawr, quiz time, who haven't I given reads on? 

You don't seem to want to answer the question, Rawr.  Is that scummy?

Re: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - DAY 1
« Reply #179 on: February 29, 2012, 07:41:39 PM »
This is the funny thing here, most of those voting for PX (Dan, Serela, Shadoweh) aren't exactly proactive beyond the power of their vote and are merely, as you say, making the simple observation that he has no content whatsoever which happens to be universally accepted as scummy.  I'm not quite seeing the distinction you are making between Anthy, ShadyK, and these two groups; your vote does not seem to be a logical consequence of your premises.
Dan had taken a non-easy stance on ShadyK earlier on and I think that was original scumhunting even though he stepped down later. Shadoweh has been pretty aggressive, I disagree she hasn't been pro-active. Serela... okay, Serela's PX vote is fucking terrible, I'll give you that. However, I don't think Serela's post looks like he's trying to avoid attention with what he's saying (otherwise he'd cut out half of his waffling), and I wouldn't prioritize him over Anthy.

For now, though,
##Unvote
##Vote Rawr
I'm willing to lend my support to this.
Rawr has been attacking GreyICE for ignoring questions... and yet apparently it's okay for him to completely ignore GreyICE's request to compile his case. This is scummy hypocrisy, and I think their back-and-forth is telling in that it looks like Rawr got caught pushing bullshit on ICE. At least Anthy is adamant enough to support his opinions when his target argues, Rawr's posts look like he wants to take the easy way out of backing up his reads.