Author Topic: MIDNIGHT CREW MAFIA - OVER - SCUM WIN (Read 43681 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #540 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:32:03 PM »

You mean the wagon I left and urged not to have deliver the hammer on the bomb and my opener where I accuse you of being scum? Are.. are you trying to blame me for your own town wagon? Do you understand why I phrased my question like that? Your prodding seems too soft, if you're offended then say so and don't suck up to me because I'm confirmed town.

I'm not enthused about these wagons. I'm trying really hard to be gung-ho about it, but I don't feel like I have no name is scum, and I don't feel like Serela is anything but flailing derp. In theory there should have been more wagons but because people don't feel the need to have their votes anywhere..

Rereading the mafia for five hours has given me a splitting headache. The only thing I'm sure of is I don't think No name is scum. He reminds me of an inoffensive JOB and the way he's taking instructions from the thread make he think he's not getting them from anywhere else. I have decided. I Do Not Want a wagon on him.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #541 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:40:06 PM »

Maybe I'm thinking about Serela too hard. I hadn't noticed until ICE posted those handy votecounts, but Serela was voting PX then disappeared off the wagon and didn't put his vote on either of the town choices. I think Dormio is town so it kind of makes his name in one of those counts look very auspicious!

I have no name · « **Reply #542 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:43:08 PM »

Are we sure it's masons and not neighbors? Because I just ISO-d Serela (now knowing what it means, hadn't even considered it before honestly), and that reminded me this game had a Night 0 phase.

Did the same for ICE since recent posts have made me question my initial questioning of my scumread on him...he mostly seems to be defending Anthy and Serela, and voting whoever has a wagon, a fact hidden since he left out some of the majority votes to show ShadyK as always off the majority/always on the majority.

A prime example of one of these would be the current wagon on myself-ShadyK isn't on it, ICE is.

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 04, 2012, 10:32:03 PM

I'm not enthused about these wagons. I'm trying really hard to be gung-ho about it, but I don't feel like I have no name is scum, and I don't feel like Serela is anything but flailing derp. In theory there should have been more wagons but because people don't feel the need to have their votes anywhere..

Then who do you think is scum/who do you want a wagon on?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #543 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:44:25 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 04, 2012, 10:32:03 PM

You mean the wagon I left and urged not to have deliver the hammer on the bomb and my opener where I accuse you of being scum? Are.. are you trying to blame me for your own town wagon? Do you understand why I phrased my question like that? Your prodding seems too soft, if you're offended then say so and don't suck up to me because I'm confirmed town.

I'm not offended or trying to blame you for Rawr's death, I'm ~annoyed~ because I get the impression you're apathetic about which wagons you're supporting with your vote and that you care less about playing just because you (and most other players) consider yourself confirmed town, meaning you don't have to look good.

Actually, I get an "idc" sort of vibe from... like, just about everybody but Affinity and ICE, actually, and it's really discouraging. <_< I dunno, maybe I'm just demotivating myself automatically because I'm congested and it's California and there's heat everywhere and ugh I don't feel like posting in MotK Mafia.

Why is Serela flailing derp? I'm not seeing it. I'd go as far to say he's flailing less than usual. You and ICE seem to be giving Serela derp passes... because... you are, I guess. I don't understand why people do this.

Nameless cut: They implied being confirmed to eachother. I already went over why I don't see a reason to doubt the claim back on D1.

Serela · « **Reply #544 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:53:40 PM »

Quote from: ICE on March 04, 2012, 10:05:59 PM

Would you say most experienced posters tend to post similarly in most games they play in, regardless of alignment?

He was actually looking at a game I wasn't scum in, assumably looking at scum-who-aren't-Serela, but

I'd rather not claim today if avoidable, but with how things are looking, it seems likely I'll have to. Bleh.

On the topic of bombs, I doubt there'd be a scum bombmaker (An idea that has been thrown around) in addition to townies that start out as bombs, which PX quite certainly seemed to be. I also doubt there's a second bomb around, because, well... it'd be strange.

Why Anthy Is Town: A Serela Report
1.Building actual cases on people and giving good thought processes and etc and stuff in his posts throughout the first half of D1 and his post in D2
2.IMO I can't blame him for what happened the second half of D1 because, well, jeez, half the game was both tired and utterly confounded by what was going on. His response wasn't worse then a bunch of other people's response.
3.I'd like to imagine that scum would actually care enough about looking good to VOTE SOMEONE (ex:His first post today). That being said, this is being an issue D2 with like half the game unvoting and not voting anyone else at some point in time. It's understandable when they aren't voting just because they don't want their preferred wagon at L-1 (or hammered if it was already there), but the problem is being larger then that.
I don't feel like 3 goes against ICE's no-WIFOM stipulation, but it does sorta come close I guess? There's some things that are just sort of a thing that happens. Sure, theoretically scum could play badly for WIFOM's sake of being "too bad to be scum" or whatever, but in reality that shit doesn't work and nobody really does it either. They just... don't.

ICE · « **Reply #545 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:03:14 PM »

Hmmm...

Anthy needs to post.

So does Shadek

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #546 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:07:50 PM »

Quote from: Serela on March 04, 2012, 10:53:40 PM

words

that's cool, but what do you think about the guy you're currently voting now that he's posted some more

Shadoweh · « **Reply #547 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:08:11 PM »

Of course the scum don't care, they don't even have to post to win. :V

I get what you mean though. It's draining when everytime I ask someone 'why X' I feel like I get ignored. But I do care. I care for the safety of Townsville! ^_^/ This is the time for ~*~townie motivation~*~ and ferreting out the scum! Besides I always consider myself confirmed town, I would be terrible at this if I doubted my role pm.

Nameless: Where has ICE been defending Anthy? Please quote this specifically because I don't think it has ever happened.

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #548 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:12:04 PM »

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) -
Dormio (0) -
Serela (3) - huhwhat, Dormio, Shadoweh
ShadyK (1) - ICE
I have no name (2) - Affinity, Serela
Shadoweh (0) -
Affinity (1) - I have no name
Anthy (0) -
ICE (0) -

Not voting: Anthy, ShadyK

Serela is at L2

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends in ~23 hours.

I have no name · « **Reply #549 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:30:22 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 04, 2012, 11:08:11 PM

Nameless: Where has ICE been defending Anthy? Please quote this specifically because I don't think it has ever happened.

Ah, wait, I mis-remembered what was being said. Upon checking it was a sarcastic question I was remembering in which ICE called Anthy "obscum".

I have no name · « **Reply #550 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:43:14 PM »

@mod

Quote from: ICE on March 04, 2012, 10:14:03 PM

Vote: ShadyK

Quote from: rules

6. Votes must be bolded with the double octothorpes, as so: ##Vote: <player>. Same applies to unvotes.

fakevote.

Affinity · « **Reply #551 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:52:33 PM »

Quote from: IHNM

As people have mentioned, that vote on me was completely out of the blue and seemed like jumping on a bandwagon.

In addition, he completely disregarded the answer to his question I gave, and his reasoning for clearing Serela I fit all of them except D1 lurking.

he also distrusted my "sudden manipulation of opinions", which was me looking back at everything with a fresh mindset and realizing many of my original conclusions didn't make much sense.

How is jumping on your bandwagon different from what you have been doing up to now, with your haphazard change of your priorities which came with the votes on huhwhat, Serela and me? I had given my reasons for voting you here, and if you feel that any of them are lacking, it is best if you address them directly. Also, the reason why I picked you over Serela is because you were the one around constantly throwing weight onto wagons D1 and D2 for no reasoning at all while Serela seemed to have IRL stuff which prevented his participation in the game. Anyone, scum or town, can make justification after the fact in the form of 'I wasn't clear with myself', and I have no reason to trust you on this.

As for your answer to the why huhwhat over GreyICE thing, it was fine and did not change my opinion on you.

Will be back with a content post in awhile.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #552 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:58:46 PM »

Affinity, why does Serela get a pass for IRL issues preventing him from posting clearly when Nameless has cited them as well?

I have no name · « **Reply #553 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:00:30 AM »

start-->huh what vote: What am I doing?
huh what --> Serela: k let's sheep
Serela --> Affinity: Wait why am I letting myself be bossed around?+reread of thread

Quote from: Affinity on March 04, 2012, 11:52:33 PM

Serela seemed to have IRL stuff which prevented his participation in the game.

So lurking is town?
I had IRL stuff too but was still trying to be a good townie.

Serela · « **Reply #554 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:40:42 AM »

It occurred to me that after I go to sleep, I'm not going to be back until like an hour or two before deadline, and that I'm about to go out with the family for awhile... I really better just claim now I guess :\

I'm Die, The Felt Assassin. I can preform a one-shot nightkill via sticking someone's pin into my voodoo doll during the night. Didn't use it n1 because I don't want to waste it and me getting nk'd looked just about impossible.

That's also why I highly doubt there's a second bomb, in addition to the fact that two bombs in one setup would be strange.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #555 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:54:45 AM »

Serela, can you do me a favor, and count the amount of people alive, then count how many there will be tomorrow, then tell us again why you didn't use the kill Night 1 after 2 townies died?

Serela · « **Reply #556 on:** March 05, 2012, 12:57:43 AM »

Huh?

* Serela counts and...

Ummm... oh :c

I, uh, didn't think about that. I was too busy being all like "AWW YEAH I FINALLY ROLLED VIG".

Shadoweh · « **Reply #557 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:14:25 AM »

I hope you can hear the sound of me strangling you right now. It's pretty sweet.
WHY DIDN'T YOU KILL SOMEONE NIGHT ONE?! There were a plethora of suspects to whittle down. (I refuse to hear any of your pot kettle black statements)

@mod: Would you tell us if we were in Psudeo-LYLO?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #558 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:16:20 AM »

Quote

15. I will announce when LYLO or Pseudo-LYLO arrives.

Okay, so he would. Serela, in theory, if you can shoot you would end the game. Why do you think this is not the case?

Serela · « **Reply #559 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:19:04 AM »

Short of some weird mod bastardry, it means there could only be two scum.

ICE · « **Reply #560 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:24:06 AM »

Or the mod can't count.

Serela is town.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #561 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:28:10 AM »

@Mod: Can you confirm that we are not in LYLO or Pseudo-LYLO?

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #562 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:31:39 AM »

It is not pseudo-lylo or lylo.
I will announce this in big letters that are impossible to miss when it is time. Like, really big.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #563 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:35:08 AM »

I should really stop voting for someone I think is town seriously.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Yes, Dormio. Or possibly huh what again, I can't decide. But since the game is guarenteed not to end, there is no reason not to let Serela take his SHOT OF JUSTICE!

Okay let's talk about something I've been panicing about in the QT for awhile. Dan specifically told us his role had a second ability that he thinks meant there was at least one more bomb out there. There was already precident to believe this. There is likely only two scum. On top of that, if there is a bomber they likely also do not win with town. A nice 9-1-2 setup would keep us out of LYLO for a long time and would ezplain why the game is so disjointed, we're looking for extra scum links that just aren't there.

Yes, I'm sure I'm not a part of the scum quicktopic. Before someone asks. :V

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #564 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:38:02 AM »

Hm.

I think there are better ways to deal with this claim than lynching Serela today, since it's a provable action and we are indeed not in any form of LYLO. Nightvig is a really shitty scum fakeclaim given the circumstances. 1 bomb, 1 nightvig, 2 scum sounds like a reasonable enough set-up if scum have a Godfather of the kill-immune variety, especially since the bomb could backfire on the nightvig.

Obviously, we should lynch somebody else, then have Serela shoot a suspect tonight. If we mislynch and tomorrow ends up being LYLO with only one overnight death, then he's caught scum and we're killing him. Pretty sure that no matter what happens, the numbers will out Serela eventually if this is a scum fakeclaim.

##Unvote
##Vote Anthy
Gonna put my vote somewhere useful before I re-read.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #565 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:39:55 AM »

LYLO meaning true LYLO. Psuedo LYLO would be explainable, I'm pretty sure.

Hanged Hourai · « **Reply #566 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:43:09 AM »

VOTECOUNT:

huh what (0) -
Dormio (1) - Shadoweh
Serela (1) - Dormio
ShadyK (1) - ICE
I have no name (2) - Affinity, Serela
Shadoweh (0) -
Affinity (1) - I have no name
Anthy (1) - huhwhat
ICE (0) -

Not voting: Anthy, ShadyK

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends in ~21 hours.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #567 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:48:32 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on March 05, 2012, 01:35:08 AM

Yes, I'm sure I'm not a part of the scum quicktopic. Before someone asks. :V

Why would you flip out at the start of the game if you were just a mason/neighbor/whatever with ICE instead of a lone scumbuddy?

Serious Meta Questioning. This worries me because it reminds me of that time PX claimed scum in his jokevote.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #568 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:59:10 AM »

Quote from: holy what on March 05, 2012, 01:48:32 AM

Why would you flip out at the start of the game if you were just a mason/neighbor/whatever with ICE instead of a lone scumbuddy?

Serious Meta Questioning. This worries me because it reminds me of that time PX claimed scum in his jokevote.

~~They are obviously third party lovers.~~

Yo, what's up, I'm back and now reading.

I have no name · « **Reply #569 on:** March 05, 2012, 02:13:27 AM »

http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004749
First line of that page.

Also, assuming 2 scum, I have 2 possible picks for scumteams: Affinity+Anthy+ShadyK(2 of 3), and ICE+Shadoweh, mostly because they have a quicktopic.
Dormio has still not been memorable this game for me, same for huh what (or at least, not memorable in light of the revelations I don't get)
I don't fully trust Serela's claim but he seems less scummy.

Still obvnewbtown here.