Rumia = Flandre?!

[Nekomata-chan]

Well, I heard this rumour just a few days ago, and I wanted to run it by you all.

It is known that Rumia hates sunlight.
So does Flandre.
The reason Rumia-Flandre keeps her arms spread (mostly) is because she stashed her wings in her sleeves, and it causes her great discomfort if she moves them.
There was also a conspiracy that "explained" why Patchouli was the Extra Stage midboss in EoSD.

"Since Patchouli is rather clever, and possibly took pity on Flandre, she gave her the means to go outside without being recognised or in danger of destroying anything. Therefore, a seal was placed on her in the form of a red ribbon-amulet, which also masked her powers and temporarily replaced them with the powers of darkness. She also gave Flandre an extra outfit of Koakuma's so as not to spark suspicion in Gensokyo's residents. This caused Flandre to trust her, and in the Extra Stage the heroine comes across Patchouli just as the latter was making their way to assist Flandre in another daring escape."

It's a very well thought-out theory, if I'm truly honest.

There is another piece of "evidence" supporting this. Rumia's Night Bird spellcard is apparently an extremely toned-down version of Flandre's Maze of Love, which would explain the seal placed on her power.

What are your thoughts on this theory?

[OkashiiKisei]

> Rumia has relatively short hair
> Flandre has long hair in a side-ponytail
> Reimu and Marisa first meet Rumia and then Flandre in the time-span of a few hours.

As you can imagine, I'm kind of skeptical about this theory, unless vampire hair grows like weed on crack.

[Tengukami]

Yeah, apart from what Okashii said about the hair, what I'm really wondering is this:

Flandre seems to be totally OK with, or even prefer, to stay in her room. Why would she agree to go through this elaborate ruse just to play outside?

[RSFiye]

I find the idea of changing her power to be a bit tough to swallow.

Not to mention the fact that the two have the profiles in the game.

[Tiamat]

Patchouli is the extra stage mid boss not because she's close to Flandre, but because she's keeping Flandre confined to the mansion via a rain spell. This is shown in the extra stage prologue story in the text files, and it's also shown in Patchouli's in-game dialogue that she's rather annoyed and frustrated with the situation of Flandre trying to get out.

Why would Patchy give Flandre a disguise to go outside when Patchy is clearly shown to canonically do whatever she can to keep Flandre inside?

[Maiden Synnae ミ☆]

This discussion won't get anywhere, flandre IS NOT rumia, end of story.

They have completely different spellcards, themes, backgrounds, appearance, personalities, etc... this theory about flandre being rumia is really nonsensical, I must say. Zun never even gave a word about this, unless he proves otherwise I'll never believe such thing. Some features alike between them are mere coincidence.

It's as stupid as saying "Suika and Yuugi both are onis who like to drink, do parties and fight the others" So, does that mean Suika is Yuugi as well?

[Nekomata-chan]

Let it be known this is NOT my theory.

I don't believe it myself, and where I heard it escapes me, but there are crazier same-person ideas in Touhou like Mima and Sanae.

[Paper Conan]

Let it be known this is NOT my theory.

I don't believe it myself, and where I heard it escapes me, but there are crazier same-person ideas in Touhou like Mima and Sanae.

I was about to post about Sanae = Mima, but I didn't

out of kindness. :I

[Nekomata-chan]

I was about to post about Sanae = Mima, but I didn't

out of kindness. :I

It's been done into the ground. I've even done a mini-thing on Mima = Sanae, in this thread.

[Tengukami]

Zun never even gave a word about this, unless he proves otherwise I'll never believe such thing.

ZUN never said a word about pretty much any fan theory that steps outside of canon. That's why they're called fan theories. And they're supposed to be fun - you can find evidence to support them, evidence to refute them, but in the end they're unprovable either way.

OK, usually unprovable either way. Some of them are so ridiculous they are demonstrably false. I think this theory, while a bit on the silly side, has pieces to support it and pieces to refute it, but can still be fun to play around with.

[Nekomata-chan]

OK, usually unprovable either way. Some of them are so ridiculous they are demonstrably false. I think this theory, while a bit on the silly side, has pieces to support it and pieces to refute it, but can still be fun to play around with.

Definitely a subject for those multi-sided arguments that are renowned to exist in fan culture.

[iK]

I'm still convinced Nue is EX-Rumia to be honest.

[Starxsword]

It's a fun theory. It is most likely false, but it is fun to think about. They both have blond hair, eat people, etc. Similar to the Kaguya and Star Sapphire idea.

[Zil]

I like the part about stuffing her wings into her sleeves. That alone makes me wish it were true.

I'm still convinced Nue is EX-Rumia to be honest.

Everyone knows Nue is really the LLS Extra midboss. BV

[Nekomata-chan]

Nue is everything. Everything is Nue.
Nue is HAX. HAX is Nue.
Nue is Nue. Nue is Nue.
You know this fries your brain: Nue is everything you know and ever will know.

[Starxsword]

Youmu is known to shoot Nues.

[haoreos2]

Younue*.

[Nekomata-chan]

Younue*.

Or, even better: Numu.

[iK]

You know this fries your brain: Nue is everything you know and ever will know.

OH NUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEE!

[shadowbringer]

my thoughts are:
Flandre, Patchouli and Rumia are different... dolls. Alice's actually controlling everyone (or most people) in Gensokyo and making people think they're real people. Since Alice's intelligence doesn't have canon restrictions, it's possible for her to simulate the behavior of people better than the Matrix can simulate a world's environment.

.... I admit that I'm trying hard to come at least close to being this creative.

[Ex-Nue]

Nue is everything. Everything is Nue.
Nue is everything you know and ever will know.

*Ex-Nue Approves

[YukkuriPaste]

I'm still convinced Nue is EX-Rumia to be honest.

Well, Rumia can conceal things in darkness, and one of Nue's spellcards involved little bullets appearing from darkness.

This theory must be investigated!!  :getdown:

[Nekomata-chan]

Well, Rumia can conceal things in darkness, and one of Nue's spellcards involved little bullets appearing from darkness.

This theory must be investigated!!  :getdown:

Your drugs must be confiscated  :derp:
Seriously, Nomz, hyper as always.

[Tiamat]

Me personally, in all seriousness, I'd think that if two different characters were actually one and the same person, ZUN would put a ton of symbollic clues into the names of the characters.  Something really REALLY major about a character like that character actually secretly being another or having a really big unknown secret would usually be in the name (although Touhou being light hearted as it is, I can only really think of two examples of this in the canon. Kaisen and Maribel, of course.  Sakuya is another "big unknown secret", but the problem there is that Sakuya isn't even her real name.  Well, IMHO, Alice Margatroid also qualifies because I'm pretty sure her last name is meant to clue you in on her involvement in Dolls in Pseudo Paradise but whatever)

Thus, if I were to personally ever take Rumia and Flandre being the same as a serious theory, there'd have to be a connection in the names of the characters at the very least.

[Unassuming Squid]

Nue is everything. Everything is Nue.
Nue is HAX. HAX is Nue.
Nue is Nue. Nue is Nue.
You know this fries your brain: Nue is everything you know and ever will know.

Funnily enough, I've said before that Nue is Nyarlathotep from Lovecraft's mythos.

Both have endless disguises or alternate forms.
Both enjoy screwing with people. In Nue's case it's to get food, in Nyarlathotep's case it's because he's an ass.
Both specifically use their alternate forms to screw with people.

Of course it's much more likely that Nue is just a nue but it's fun to see similarities between characters like that, true or not.

[Lishy1]

All life begins and ends with Nu...

[Desu_Cake]

I still think Rumia is Alice.
And Nue is just Nue.

[OkashiiKisei]

All life begins and ends with Nu...

inb4 Nue is Spekkio, or vice versa.

[Nekomata-chan]

But is it just me, or does Rumia have the same outfit as Koakuma, and the same hairstyle as Alice?
...I think there's a little something going on between those two...

[haoreos2]

But is it just me, or does Remilia have the same hat as Flandre, Patchouli and Yukari, the same parasol as the latter and Yuuka, and the same hairstyle as her?
...I think there's a little something going on between those five four...


Joking aside, I think Rumia has a pretty straight bowl haircut while Alice's has waves. Having said that, the way she holds her arms out is reminiscent of a puppet, and I am therefore forced to conclude she is shanghai's prototype model.