RPG Mafia thread (Adorable Game of Mafia signups)

[Shadoweh]

You make Mafia sound like a chore, like being drafted into the army. Mafia is a social game. The point of games are to have fun playing them. Not to please the elitist standards people make up after years of playtesting. This has two parts. a) have fun b) play the game. I find it weird you make it sound like if you're enjoying yourself you're playing wrong.

I've never said you should have fun instead of 'playing to wincon'. Having fun playing the game isn't seperable. The group will not enjoy themselves if people are not playing by the rules. The group will also not enjoy themselves if the majority of them are not having fun playing. Right now the problem is people are not having fun playing mafia. The reason seems to be that no one feels playing mafia is worth it. So they don't put much effort into it. Which means we're causing our own problems because no one cares enough to post words and read the words people post.

I'm saying instead of constantly fueling negativity by putting each other down and concentrating on the worst parts of everyone's performances, people should try to focus on the good things that did happen and talk about how we can improve. I'm amazed we're having this talk after a game that objectively, town did amazing in. The doc got off a protect, the town were shorted by both an imposed modkill and no less then three extra town deaths due to the setup, and in the end game huh what somehow through LOGIC realized that the scum team had shot themselves and we still won.

But no. All anyone can concentrate on is how town was horrible. Everyone was idiots. People need to be taken to task for this negativity that we're imposing on ourselves by treating each other as jerks even after the game is over. We will never get better until we're friends playing a game that we enjoy together again.

tl;dr LOVE AND PEACE works better then INCREASE PRISON SIZES

[Kilgamayan]

Well, yes, obviously everyone playing should be striving to both have fun and play to their wincon. I took 'my priority is to have fun' to mean 'my priority is not to play to my wincon because there is something I value more'. If that was not the intended message, then I apologize.

The problem, though, is that I'm not convinced MotK is completely devoid of people that prioritize having fun over respecting their teammates and playing to their wincon (which is why I thought that's what you were saying). Perhaps this sentiment is better served thusly:

- If playing to win means sacrificing having fun, then, for your own sake, don't play.
- If having fun means not playing to your wincon or respecting your fellow players, then, for the sake of your fellow players, don't play.

[Shadoweh]

Well, yes, obviously everyone playing should be striving to both have fun and play to their wincon. I took 'my priority is to have fun' to mean 'my priority is not to play to my wincon because there is something I value more'. If that was not the intended message, then I apologize.

That is what I meant. I can see why it would come out that way. When I say to have fun, I mean for Everyone to have fun. Because I like all of you very much. <^_______^>

The problem, though, is that I'm not convinced MotK is completely devoid of people that prioritize having fun over respecting their teammates and playing to their wincon (which is why I thought that's what you were saying).

I don't think someone who never intends to play mafia in the first place should sign up. But I think  we've been giving mixed signals about the benefits of posting content. People have to agree together that we will play the game and read people's posts so that effort isn't wasted. Policy lynching contentless players has to be combined with not picking a contentless player over a player who has said more because they gave more rope to hang themselves. How to say.. we need to tell people when they're good as much as when they're bad! And it needs to not be in passive aggressive form, like "Serela is Town MVP and that is the only good thing about this shitfest of a game."

[NekoNekoRex]

Are we going to really start debating this for three days, while players threaten to stop playing because they're fed up?

I'll be sad if I don't roll scum before MotkMafia dies off completely.

[Pesco]

you don't treat the lone student to score a 30 on a test to ice cream when everyone else scored a 15

By all means, do something commendable first before you act like you're entitled to a reward.

[Kilgamayan]

I agree that an actual in-game differentiation has to be made as to who is scummier between an active person who has done scummy things and an inactive person who has not done scummy things. One of the games where I was most furious was one where I picked the actively scummy person (who was scum) or either of the two lurkers (who were town).

People do indeed need to be judged by what they say and what they don't say. Someone who talks a lot and says lots of scummy things is actively scummy. Someone who says extremely little and what little is there isn't meaningful is passively scummy. Both are scummy and both need to be lynched, but which one is worse is determined on a game-by-game basis. People have been defaulting to 'actively scummy is worse', which is why we get stuff like Kaori Kanzaki or Rawr this past game. Defaulting to 'passively scummy is worse' isn't much better, but it certainly looks more appealing at present because it'll get asses in gear (or those asses will get the rope).

I don't think the message is intended to be "mindlessly default to LAL". I see it more as "be more open to LAL because scum keep lurking and town keeps letting them."

Fake edit: There is that too, yes. I am more than open and willing to giving a good game the commendation it deserves, but it has to be played before I do so.

[Pesco]

Kilga just wants to tap ass :3

[Shadoweh]

Are we going to really start debating this for three days, while players threaten to stop playing because they're fed up?

This is just mafia players finding something to argue about while they wait for Edible to get home from Ottercon.

I think a better metaphor for the situation is you don't treat depression by giving out cyanide pills.

[Bardiche]

Are we going to really start debating this for three days, while players threaten to stop playing because they're fed up?

I'll be sad if I don't roll scum before MotkMafia dies off completely.

I think NekoNekoRex is the scum.

##VOTE: NekoNekoRex


I can get where Shadomeh is coming from, and I could easily write up all the things everyone did right and great. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Obviously the way I like to play Mafia and the way MoTK plays Mafia is different, and I don't think it's healthy for us to continuously be pining for better play in Mafia. We've been doing this for months, and we've only gone backwards if the last game is any indication.

[Omba]

And the alternative is what, giving up? No thanks, I'd rather try to fix things.

[ActionDan]

I play mafia like dota.

Tell the noobs on my team to stop feeding and carry them to victory by being more skilled than the other team.  It doesn't always work out but I always try to improve on my play first.

[BT]

Question: If you could point at one exceptional example of a 'good game' that took place here, what would it be?

[I have no name]

Question: If you could point at one exceptional example of a 'good game' that took place here, what would it be?

Popcorn Mafia as the best of the 7-8 games I've seen here.

[Kitten4u]

Question: If you could point at one exceptional example of a 'good game' that took place here, what would it be?

Off the top of my head, I thought Moriya Shrine Revolution and Mafia Rules Mafia were played well by all sides for the most part.

[Bardiche]

Question: If you could point at one exceptional example of a 'good game' that took place here, what would it be?

Moriya Shrine Revolution.

[NekoNekoRex]

I might be biased because "first game lol" but I liked Bunny Must Die Mafia most out of all the games I've been in so far

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Question: If you could point at one exceptional example of a 'good game' that took place here, what would it be?

games i'd consider "good" from most recent to furthest back:
C7D
Path of Radiance
Cavalier of the Abyss
Moriya Shrine II
Moriya Shrine Revolution

there's also psycho's plot which was an example of excellent town play vs. bad scum play and worse mod play

[PX]

Indeed, Psycho Plot had the best town game I remember. As for best game, I'd say Moriya Shrine II

[Affinity]

games i'd consider "good" from most recent to furthest back:
C7D
Path of Radiance
Cavalier of the Abyss
Moriya Shrine II
Moriya Shrine Revolution

Would also add WTC to that list.  GWU is pretty alright as well.  Town players actually question people and listen to each other ; they also change their views according to the situation, making them unpredictable to scum and forcing them to pump out solid content and treasure every vote/opinion not against them.  If town do not have the above qualities, and stubbornly tunnel on their pet scumreads without any range, as has been the general trend lately, then they are generally free because if they are wrong, they are wrong.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

wtc and gwu were from before my time and the re-uploads of them seem to have been deleted

[PX]

Aka Kilga hosted games?

[ActionDan]

aBGoM was a pretty good game.

[Dr Rawr]

ten desires was a pretty good game also, everyone played really well.  :V

[I have no name]

ten desires was a pretty good game also, everyone played really well.  :V

Found the traitor.  Lynch before he joins the scum.

[Kilgamayan]

Aka Kilga hosted games?

Clearly the problem is when I play. :V

[Omba]

aBGoM was a pretty good game.

Why yes, that was :colonveeplusalpha:

I honestly can't remember a game I played in that I thought was well played by all sides. Don't remember enough of the other games in the archives to judge the rest.

But I'll be reading through some of the older games that have been mentioned; sounds like good material for improving play.

[Bardiche]

Clearly the problem is when I play. :V

I think Kilga should be banned from Mafia.

##VOTE: Kilga

[Raitaki]

Aight, I would like to sign up for whatever mafia we're doing next

I've played quite a few custom forum Mafia games before, such as this and this. Unfortunately you can't tell a lot about what was going on in those Mafia games from the threads, as SEN mafia is heavily based on PM and shoutbox exchanges between players

Now I must say beforehand that no one should expect a whole lot from me, as in all the previous mafia rounds I played I used my rep as "that stupid 12 (WRONG) year old kid" to my advantage I do know the basic mafia rules and some strats though. Sadly as a townie I'm not very good at telling friend from foe,

Spoiler:

although I can say I'm a pretty good scum/3rd party ;o

[Shadoweh]

The new signups will start as soon as Otakon is over and Edible puts up the sign-ups here. Welcome Wrathie #12! There is absolutely no PMing other players in our games and using your 12 year old reputation here will probably get you deservedly lynched. Look forward to that!

[Pesco]

If you are 12, then you'll be COPPA-banned until you are of age. Just a formality.