RPG Mafia thread (Adorable Game of Mafia signups)

[NekoNekoRex]

Dan should Hydra-only if he's only going to be online half the time

[BT]

I think the issue here is not that people aren't trying to play to their wincon, but that they're not trying enough.

Oh hey, we could try lurker hydras.

[Omba]

now the lynch shadoweh d1 voting block can finally be realized

:V
Joke aside, that'll depend entirely on how she plays. I'd generally think a rawr in super lurker mode or a Serela with a serious case of the waffles would make better policy lynches. We'll see.

Thinking about it some more, going for the policy lynch on D1 does force scum to either post more actual content or be threatened with a lynch that could very well hit them, so whether it actually does lower town's odds of winning doesn't seem that clear anymore.

Kitten4u: Well. If they end up getting lynched D1 every time because they refuse to make an effort, they won't have much choice if they actually want to play more than just a few days every few weeks.

[I have no name]

The one problem I can see in the policy lynch thing is new players who don't know what they're doing.  They do something stupid, get lynched D1 and don't improve.  Next game, same thing happens.

In terms of odds of winning a policy lynch is a complete crapshoot.  Keine would have a much better chance  :V

[Affinity]

Last game for me before I have more important things to do than mafia.  Let's see if MoTK can indeed terraform its meta within a game or two (though I doubt it will come to anything).

Actually, can anyone remind me how the D1 lynches the previous games have *not* been 'policy lynches'?  Hasn't a blend of Serela, Dormio, and PX been lynched every D1 for some obvious mistake?  I find that concept pretty dumb anyways when it's so implicit in our meta. 

And it's not as if they aren't trying their very best to play the game, as they have said in chat not long ago.

[ActionDan]

Pre-/out.

hey don't worry, I'm due to get a scum role PM any day now.

[I have no name]

hey don't worry, I'm due to get a scum role PM any day now.

Actually, can anyone remind me how the D1 lynches the previous games have *not* been 'policy lynches'?  Hasn't a blend of Serela, Dormio, and PX been lynched every D1 for some obvious mistake?  I find that concept pretty dumb anyways when it's so implicit in our meta. 

Best Idea Mafia, as much as I like to pretend that game never happened  :V

[ActionDan]

Best Idea Mafia, as much as I like to pretend that game never happened  :V

I obviously got policy lynched for being town!

[PX]

Best Idea Mafia was not a game :V

[Pesco]

Is this player who makes low content posts and votes erratically town aligned or not town aligned? When pressed to explain their words, they don't give a straight answer. When asked to produce suspects, they don't show any solid stances. Is this player scummy or not?

If such a player is not scummy enough for you to lynch, why are they worth keeping alive?

[Affinity]

Is this player who makes low content posts and votes erratically town aligned or not town aligned? When pressed to explain their words, they don't give a straight answer. When asked to produce suspects, they don't show any solid stances. Is this player scummy or not?

If such a player is not scummy enough for you to lynch, why are they worth keeping alive?

Isn't this the essence of every supposedly decent D1 post ever, before people go on to try to look at D1 wagons D2?  How is what you are proposing different from the current meta?

The only other decent D1 post is to accuse the above poster of going after an easy target.  The ensuing argument becomes interesting.  This is the bedrock of most D1s.

[Pesco]

A player who becomes an easy target because of doing scummy stuff has brought the lynch upon themselves for doing said scummy things. If someone is being scummy, they should be lynched. The current meta would rather make an excuse for the player as being 'an easy target' or 'does it every game, ignore'. If your normal play is scummy, then you will be shown it by being lynched every time.

[ActionDan]

^ Depends.  Dormio was an easy lynch in aBGoM and ended up being the correct lynch.  Px was a disgustingly easy lynch in Midnight crew Mafia, and the people going after him were scum (Affinity, HW).  However! in that same game, Serela could have been considered an easy lynch D1 for lurking, it would have been correct to lynch her.   having the "easy lynches" step up their game helps, but it's not essential to finding scum D1.

[Kitten4u]

If you think they're scum you should lynch them.  If you don't think they're scum you should lynch someone else.  Lynching someone because you don't like the way they play when you're town is just unsportsmanlike and spiteful.

[Dr Rawr]

if i lurk harder would you lynch me d1 :V

[Serela]

There's a difference between "You should be more open to lynching people for ____ because it's terrible and scummy" (Why Kaori/Rawr last game needed death) and "Policy Lynch".

Saying lynching rawr d2 or d3 or d4 of last game would be policy lynch for lurking would have been silly.

A lot of the time people seem to say policy lynch in a context it doesn't actually apply.

[Affinity]

A player who becomes an easy target because of doing scummy stuff has brought the lynch upon themselves for doing said scummy things. If someone is being scummy, they should be lynched. The current meta would rather make an excuse for the player as being 'an easy target' or 'does it every game, ignore'. If your normal play is scummy, then you will be shown it by being lynched every time.

My point is that these people get lynched early every single time but no marked 'improvement' has been shown despite them trying a decent bit at playing the game.  This trend is already happening to no effect, and is in fact the reason why D1's are so useless these days!  The easy target happens to not be scum, and scum can just jump onto that wagon for perfectly valid reasons! 

Arguing against such lynches is actually good for D1 as it causes alternative wagons to form and forces scum to more clearly defined their opinions, and policy lynching tends to take that away.

[Bardiche]

My point is that these people get lynched early every single time but no marked 'improvement' has been shown despite them trying a decent bit at playing the game.  This trend is already happening to no effect, and is in fact the reason why D1's are so useless these days!  The easy target happens to not be scum, and scum can just jump onto that wagon for perfectly valid reasons! 

Then there's really no point to continue playing Mafia here.

[Dr Rawr]

errrrr if you guys are referring to me im pretty sure i had a scummy excuse :V

if not then w/e

[Omba]

Actually, can anyone remind me how the D1 lynches the previous games have *not* been 'policy lynches'?  Hasn't a blend of Serela, Dormio, and PX been lynched every D1 for some obvious mistake?  I find that concept pretty dumb anyways when it's so implicit in our meta. 

If I remember correctly, we haven't lynched someone on the basis of only "doesn't post much" on at least D1 in a long time.
If they get lynched for some stupid reason, then it's not so obvious how they can change that. On the other hand, if they get lynched for a clearly stated reason that they can avoid by changing their play, I would think it at least could work better. And by that I mean all the things we currently often excuse because of the player's meta.

rawr, no one cares if you play in a way that would be detrimental to town if you were town instead of scum. The point is just that you can get away with it as scum because other people do it too and you have a meta of lurking (at least I think you do, don't quite remember how you played last time you were town).

[Pesco]

rawr, no one cares if you play in a way that would be detrimental to town if you were town instead of scum. The point is just that you can get away with it as scum because other people do it too and you have a meta of lurking (at least I think you do, don't quite remember how you played last time you were town).

Lynching someone because you don't like the way they play when you're town is just unsportsmanlike and spiteful.

And thus Rawr can never be lynched because it's mean to him.

Scum can happily take the policy lynch approach. It's reducing enemy numbers and well within their win condition. If you want to argue otherwise for scum's point of view, then we're talking about different games here.

If town was enforcing a policy lynch, which policy is being enforced? Lynch all Lurkers? Lynch all Liars? Lynch all players whose name has a D in it? What I've been saying is that people who do clearly scummy things deserve to get lynched. The policy is to lynch the obvious scum in front of me. Lynching scummy people is town's win condition because town has to remove all threats to town. A scummy player will be read as scum, if you've hunted them as such, that is part of the game.

[Omba]

And thus Rawr can never be lynched because it's mean to him.

Urgh, that was worded awkwardly on my part. What I meant to say is there's no problem if you play like shit as scum if it allows you to go unlynched. It's a problem if you do it as town and very much a problem that you can get away with it as scum in the first place.
So policy lynch until it stops regardless of alignment.

[Shadoweh]

All this talk of punishment this and policy lynch that. Rewards always work better then punishments. Not lynching people for doing better would be rewarding. We have to agree to recognize effort and lynch those who are not putting in effort (because not putting in effort should be scum apathy settling in). Townies should want to do good. Be proud of your green heritage!

[Pesco]

I like how you do not have hunting or lynching scum as a priority.

[Shadoweh]

My priority has always been having fun. If you can't enjoy the game you'll never play it well. How do you expect to put in effort into something that makes you groan every time you read it? I remember when reading the graveyard was filled with encouragement and enjoyment of just watching the confusion. Now it's like all the dead people got held up at the gates and sent to a self-perpetuating hell. Telling people they suck doesn't make them better, it makes them believe they suck.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

How do you expect to put in effort into something that makes you groan every time you read it?

Story of my life.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

people scumhunting and posting :words: and shit is more fun than having to wade through 30 pages of twitterposting and one-liners every time you want to re-read imo

[Bardiche]

I give up. I'll be on MafiaScum when you need me.

[Omba]

Good luck, Bard. You'll need it. :V

[Kilgamayan]

My priority has always been having fun. If you can't enjoy the game you'll never play it well.

Your priority should always be to play to your win con to the best of your ability for the sake of your teammates and out of social respect for your fellow players and the GM. Mafia is still a team game, and if the only way someone wants/are able to play it is as an island then they need to get the hell out and let the people that actually understand the social commitment Mafia requires play and not worry about someone throwing the entire game on its ear just because they're playing for no one but themselves.