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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #300 on: January 08, 2012, 04:44:07 AM »
You memorize it.
That's what I was afraid of.
In that case, I can think of no redeeming qualities forit, and only 2 reasons for me to go for it-a full MoF capture set, and because I get to play Sanae's opener because that's fun as hell.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #301 on: January 08, 2012, 09:21:34 AM »
Back to the UFO Ex again....

I took the time to go through and beat Normal 1cc with Sanae B just because of Nue's 2nd card. I can blaze through her UFO cards no problem. (Rainbow is still a bit iffy sometimes.)

I can generally make to about this point with 2 lives remaining (don't ask as to why.....) then there is this:

Terror of Heiankyou

I can not follow this card for the life of me in game. I see how to do it in replays and such but this eats me before even the second wave really gets going. HALP?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Thank you ahead of time,
Flandre Scarlet.


P.S.: If it helps, I can upload my furthest replay so far to gensokyou.


EDIT: Here is the replay. I do fairly ok going Green, Red, Rainbow, Red and whatever last one is most readily available in my UFO (dunno if I follow my usual pattern in this one). But you'll see the big problem.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17959
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 10:12:54 AM by Flandre Scarlet »
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #302 on: January 08, 2012, 04:53:22 PM »
I fucking hate UFO Stage 5. What do I do with most of those cards? It's not just the lightsaber one (The ones that follow you every few seconds), it's almost every single card. I wouldn't mind you repeating how you beat the green lightsabers of death, just please tell me how you do every other card.
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Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #303 on: January 08, 2012, 05:54:00 PM »
Bomb, bomb, bomb. But really, aside from the lightsaber one, her spells are pretty much straight up dodging. The last one is just random bullets everywhere, and is also probably the easiest. Stay at the bottom so bullets don't come at you from below. The first is somewhat predictable. Just practice it and get familiar with the kind of pattern it makes, but it boils down to raw dodging again. The second spell isn't too bad, but on Lunatic it tries to time out before you can kill it.  Shou puts a huge wall in front of herself, and then smaller walls form across the rest of the screen, so don't stay under her for too long, and try to stay as far up the screen as you can. If you aren't worried about timing it out, Shou seems to dislike moving into the edge, so if you hang out at the edge of the screen she won't bother you as much. You can also go straight through the walls if you have a good idea of the hitboxes. That, and everything else as well, is much easier as Reimu.

I have no name

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #304 on: January 08, 2012, 05:59:43 PM »
I fucking hate UFO Stage 5. What do I do with most of those cards? It's not just the lightsaber one (The ones that follow you every few seconds), it's almost every single card. I wouldn't mind you repeating how you beat the green lightsabers of death, just please tell me how you do every other card.
If you have 6 lives going into Shou that's enough to bomb everything once and have 2 lives for the final spell.
If not, practice, dodge, practice.  Her second is probably the easiest to capture if you need to get one.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #305 on: January 08, 2012, 06:47:43 PM »
I fucking hate UFO Stage 5. What do I do with most of those cards? It's not just the lightsaber one (The ones that follow you every few seconds), it's almost every single card. I wouldn't mind you repeating how you beat the green lightsabers of death, just please tell me how you do every other card.
Most of them are raw dodging cards. Good luck. I still can't dodge Radiant Treasure Gun, for example.
On normal mode, they aren't too bad - especially the 2nd card doesn't try wall you like in lunatic.
You can summon quite a few green UFOs during the stage, if that helps.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 06:52:18 PM by Kanon »

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #306 on: January 08, 2012, 06:50:52 PM »
So, after 1CCing EoSD with MarisaB (Normal), I'm now trying to do it with ReimuB for Extra.
But there are some spells that bother me.

The first is Princess Undine; I know the lasers are aimed at you but I seem to always die when she fires the  wall of metal-fatigue bullets. Plus there are random blue "leftover" bullets... I just hate this spellcard. >_<

The next is Marionette; The first two waves are simple but I can't handle the third ones. And when I don't die, I time it out...

Then there is Scarlet Netherworld; No matter how much I try, I never understand how to handle this spellcard. I hate criss-crossing bullets. :\
I wish EoSD gave you more than 3 lives in Practice mode... :(
Btw, how does Remilia's second non-spell work? Does she just fire randomly?

Thanks~  :derp:
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 06:52:51 PM by DelichiousApple »

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #307 on: January 08, 2012, 07:23:46 PM »
Princess Undine: it's a very difficult card, sometimes as hard as the lunatic version (Bury in the Lake). I recommend that you bomb it. If you really want to dodge it, try to move as little as possible, and move UP through the small-blue-bullet walls rather than waiting for it to wall you. The metal fatigue bullets actually aren't that hard if you don't move around wildly. You simply read it, and then dodge it (may require unfocus), and then STOP moving once you've dodged all the bullets cuz the aimed laser will come now.

Marionette: quite hard with Reimu, cuz you can't swing around the screen to misdirect the bullets. The thing to do is basically man it out at the bottom, dodging and shooting Sakuya as much as possible. At least you are using ReimuB, which means less dodging cuz she kills it faster. Also, rank can make this card very hard, so if you haven't died or bombed in a while, be prepared.

Scarlet Netherworld: I think you only have to dodge 1 wave of the criss-cross bullets. If you stand in the place where the first 2 bullets miss you, all the subsequent bullets will miss. Of course, the danger then comes from the vertical bullets. Don't psyche yourself into hitting them lol. Chances are they will just miss, and if they won't, you can simply just nudge a little bit.

Remillia's 2nd nonspell: aimed, spread, spread, aimed repeat I think.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2012, 07:40:28 PM by Kanon »

Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #308 on: January 08, 2012, 07:30:27 PM »
Remillia's 2nd nonspell: aimed, spread, spread I think.
It's aimed, spread, spread, aimed, then repeat. (I'm pretty sure) For the spread waves you can stand right over her head.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #309 on: January 08, 2012, 07:40:08 PM »
It's aimed, spread, spread, aimed, then repeat. (I'm pretty sure) For the spread waves you can stand right over her head.
Yeah, my bad. Oops.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #310 on: January 08, 2012, 08:05:39 PM »
It's aimed, spread, spread, aimed, then repeat. (I'm pretty sure) For the spread waves you can stand right over her head.
Yes, but I've never needed to do this-not even on lunatic.  Anyone who does dodge it that way clearly is afraid of Scarlet Meister.  Neither one is THAT hard, 2nd nonspell is auto-capture on all difficulties and Scarlet Meister lunatic is a 1 bomb with ReimuA  :V

Marionette-YOU CAN SWING AROUND TO MISDIRECT THE BULLETS EVEN WITH REIMU

Scarlet Netherworld: dodge the straight shots, move up and down through the other stuff.  I've tried dodging one set and not moving and the next set hit me, so they aren't lined up perfectly.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #311 on: January 08, 2012, 08:32:18 PM »
I didn't know people found Undine hard. I just stream REALLY REALLY FUCKING SLOWLY and then whittle my way through the walls of blue bullets leftover.
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #312 on: January 08, 2012, 09:15:16 PM »
I didn't know people found Undine hard. I just stream REALLY REALLY FUCKING SLOWLY and then whittle my way through the walls of blue bullets leftover.
Yeah, but the metal fatigue bullets often don't play nice and force you to move around instead of simply streaming, which causes the next wave of lasers to leave less room for dodging and the blue bullets to screw up and form walls that you have to look out for. The metal fatigue bullets, in a bad formation, can also kill you quite easily.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #313 on: January 08, 2012, 09:47:14 PM »
Yeah, but the metal fatigue bullets often don't play nice and force you to move around instead of simply streaming, which causes the next wave of lasers to leave less room for dodging and the blue bullets to screw up and form walls that you have to look out for. The metal fatigue bullets, in a bad formation, can also kill you quite easily.

Let me repeat what I said.

I didn't know people found Undine hard. I just stream REALLY REALLY FUCKING SLOWLY and then whittle my way through the walls of blue bullets leftover.

I didn't know people found Undine hard.

Have I made my point? I did not say Metal Fatigue.
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #314 on: January 08, 2012, 09:52:06 PM »
He's referring to the bullet type (big, solid-color bullets with shitty hitboxes in EoSD,) not the spellcard. People call them metal fatigue bullets.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #315 on: January 08, 2012, 09:57:07 PM »
Oh. My bad. Sorry about that, it's that I recall a spell called Metal Fatigue in EoSD.
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #316 on: January 09, 2012, 01:56:59 PM »
Back to the UFO Ex again....

I took the time to go through and beat Normal 1cc with Sanae B just because of Nue's 2nd card. I can blaze through her UFO cards no problem. (Rainbow is still a bit iffy sometimes.)

I can generally make to about this point with 2 lives remaining (don't ask as to why.....) then there is this:

Terror of Heiankyou

I can not follow this card for the life of me in game. I see how to do it in replays and such but this eats me before even the second wave really gets going. HALP?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Thank you ahead of time,
Flandre Scarlet.


P.S.: If it helps, I can upload my furthest replay so far to gensokyou.


EDIT: Here is the replay. I do fairly ok going Green, Red, Rainbow, Red and whatever last one is most readily available in my UFO (dunno if I follow my usual pattern in this one). But you'll see the big problem.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17959


Ok asking this again, where am I going wrong on this? I know Kogasa still gives me minor troubles with her Guerilla Typhoon so I simply bomb it after enough hits. I'm using this UFO set up for the stage:

Green, Red, set up for green before Kogasa midboss, Green, Red, Green.

My real problem is certain aspects of Nue's fight, I don't know if it's somehting I am just not seeing or what but I deperately need help to stop derping on that so much (Her survival mostly when it comes to eating lives. I see what to do but there has to be a said static way to do so since I kinda crack under the pressure on this spell.). I don't know why but it seems her Green UFOs of Loyalty aren't very loyal to me and have hated me as of recent, is there some sort of trick to that card? (aside form not hugging the bottom which will wall you off shoudl you do that.) I have my farthest replay uploaded in the quote and would love to be able to say I only have 1 EX boss left to beat. (I have 12 and 13 right now. 12.8 if you want to count Marisa). I would love to have some help.

oh and thank you to Zil and I Have No Name for the help you gave with the other areas of Nue's fight I originally had a problem with.
"Ok I admit it. The endless night, corrupting the moon, hiding the human village and putting those funny little hats on statues; it's all Alice's fault. Now bitch, get out of the way!" -Marisa Kirisame from Touhou 8 Imperishable Night.

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #317 on: January 09, 2012, 04:42:21 PM »
I just cannot do Philosopher's Stone at all. Halp?

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #318 on: January 09, 2012, 06:06:41 PM »
I just cannot do Philosopher's Stone at all. Halp?

The blue shots are the only ones aimed at you with actualy speed. The rest is really crossfire clutter. It's a good idea to start this one right up at her and make your way down as shot are beginning to be fired in order to break it faster. I's really a case of watch your surroundings and dodge the blue. be sure not to wall yourself off. =D
"Ok I admit it. The endless night, corrupting the moon, hiding the human village and putting those funny little hats on statues; it's all Alice's fault. Now bitch, get out of the way!" -Marisa Kirisame from Touhou 8 Imperishable Night.

Marisa Kirisame

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #319 on: January 10, 2012, 03:41:57 AM »
Uhm... disregard my post asking for help with Nue. I finally beat her just now. =)
"Ok I admit it. The endless night, corrupting the moon, hiding the human village and putting those funny little hats on statues; it's all Alice's fault. Now bitch, get out of the way!" -Marisa Kirisame from Touhou 8 Imperishable Night.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #320 on: January 10, 2012, 04:25:45 PM »
Can someone give me a replay of doing Ghost Clifford L (Merlin's individual card)? I'm trying to capture all cards with ReimuB on PCB and it's one of the last cards left. It looks like it's streaming but then it starts coming from odd directions, so I don't know where I'm supposed to stream them to.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #321 on: January 10, 2012, 04:35:18 PM »
The stage portion of the EX stage on TD. how? I know to shotgun the fairies coming from above in the beginning but the area after that before the Nue midboss eats me or a boms. then there is Nue's firs tmidboss card. I am clueless as to how to approach it consistently. any ideas?

and as a side note and I know it's shameful asking for help with anything in TD. Mamizous' first spell Primitive Danmaku Transfromation. The blue guys cut my excape routes off and I can never get close enough to Mamizou to end the card quickly. I need some help there.

Thanks ahead of time. =)
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Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #322 on: January 10, 2012, 04:46:35 PM »
The fairies before Nue can be handled pretty easily by circling around them, as long as you're Reimu, and I really hope you are. Nue's first card is plain dodging. Just try to read ahead as far as you can. Mamizou's is just streaming, but it makes a big difference which direction you choose. I think you want to move against the blue guys, but I don't remember, so just try each one out. Also unfocus when you aren't under her to get her with homing. (What you said about "getting close enough" makes me fear that you are using Youmu, but please just be Reimu.)

EDIT: Nevermind, I confused her first and second. Yes, Nue's first is much easier if you get really close. In that case the replay does demonstrate pretty well what you should do. :derp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pzegs7Y-g

Here's a replay with a timeout of Nue's first card. I don't think it will help much because there's really no strategy, but maybe it'll give you an idea or something? -
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 04:49:42 PM by Zil »

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #323 on: January 10, 2012, 04:53:43 PM »
First of all, there is no such thing as shame in Touhou.

For the opening fairies, just circle around them for a while, don't be afraid to use the top of the screen. And remember, if there's nothing but fairies shooting 4 streams as opposed to 3, you can stay perfectly still and not get hit.

For Nue, what I typically do is trance the first card just before the spirits the fairies drop disappear, which makes 6 life pieces and 1 full bomb if I also kill the card. That bomb is promptly spent on the second card, during which I hug Nue for spirits to spend on the end of the stage, and then I just capture the last card.

After that, pick a side and kill the fairies coming from that side to minimize the spam (if you're playing Reimu, being unfocused to pick off the other side helps). The fairies after the spam are probably the hardest segment of the stage portion; remember that it's center, right, left (and don't be afraid to bomb here). The second spam is easier I think, then you trance the big fairies because they drop a ton of life/bomb pieces.

As for Mamizou's first card: Start from the center and stream slowly to one side. Return to the center (this is the hardest part, just make sure to get through the bullets quickly) and stream to the other side. Repeat as necessary. Timeout of the card if it'll help.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #324 on: January 10, 2012, 04:59:30 PM »
Here's another timeout of Mamizou's first card. Also her sixth card If you're stuck on that in the future.

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #325 on: January 10, 2012, 05:28:38 PM »
I need halp with Dark Fazioli Performance.
I hate these criss-crossing patterns.

Also, any trick/advice for Youmu's non-spells and 200 Yojana in 1 Slash?
I hate Youmu too.

Btw, is there a pattern in Foggy London Dolls or is it just LOL RANDOM BULLETS?

Thanks~  :derp:
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 05:30:25 PM by DelichiousApple »

Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #326 on: January 10, 2012, 05:33:35 PM »
Not sure which is Foggy London Dolls because the names are all different, but all of her spells have some predictability to them. The first is static and randomly oriented, the second is mostly random but the dolls fire in a similar fashion each time, the third is completely static, the fourth is aimed and you can kind of cheat by macrododging the whole thing.

One of Youmu's nonspells, possibly the last one, is just VERY slow streaming. The one where everything misses and then she aims some swords at you.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 05:44:31 PM by Zil »

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #327 on: January 10, 2012, 05:38:05 PM »
Maybe not the right topic to ask, but does anyone know how many bombs are available in SA?

I read somewhere that MoF has around 70 but SA has to have more bombs than that. Around 80? Maybe 90 for MarisaA?
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #328 on: January 10, 2012, 05:40:38 PM »
Foggy London Dolls is the third one. Nice, it's static then!
Youmu's second non-spell with blue/red swords is easy, I have problems with the Stage 5 midboss one,  the first one during the boss battle and the Stage 6 midboss one.  :V

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #329 on: January 10, 2012, 05:54:30 PM »
The Stage 6 midboss one shouldn't be terribly difficult since its a very simple pattern. Give it a few more runs and you'll probably start to understand it. As for the other versions of it; The pattern is afaik completely static but aimed at your position. That means you can dodge it with the somewhat same moves every time. You'll just have to take account for Youmu's position compared to yours.

Its a type of attack that becomes harmless with practice so you'll want to just practice it until you can do it consistently. Trust me, soon enough you'll wonder how they were ever hard. :)