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Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #210 on: December 21, 2011, 10:18:56 PM »
Yamame's opener only tries to BS you when she moves down, so if you simply want a perfect, you could just play a couple of times and get lucky enough that she moves up on the first wave (around 30% of the time from my experience).

If you wish to dodge her opener when she moves down, then as soon as the bullets are aimed, get the heck out of there to the far left or far right side. Timing is critical here, as you need to make sure the 2 aimed waves are aimed near the center while your character is out of the way to the side of the screen (i.e. you can't simply unfocus dash really far right on the moment - you have to stay in the region for a split second more). I'm sure other people can give more pointers on this.
This is essentially the way to do it, as far as I am aware. Also do your best to stay under her. What kills you in this attack is bullets reaching the bottom and then aiming at you horizontally, and being right under her helps prevent this as well as ending the attack as quickly as possible. If all else fails then repeatedly trying until you get lucky is a viable option. ;)

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #211 on: December 22, 2011, 05:03:04 AM »
Currently trying to perfect SA Stage 1 Lunatic...but the problem is Yamame's 1st non-card.  I tried to follow Drayen's way of dodging, but I end up dying every single time.  What's the best way to get past it?
I don't know what Drayen's way of dodging is, but for when she moves down and causes bullets to hug the very bottom of the screen, you can simply go up and over them while streaming the rest. It looks something like this when done. You actually don't have to move as far as he did, you can do it using whatever normal streaming speeds you use. The only real concern is that you need to be under (or close to under) Yamame should she move down, otherwise the way the bullets are aimed you can end up with a bunch of bullets hugging the bottom instead of one or two. Not that that's impossible itself though, it's more like an unwanted complication.
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #212 on: December 22, 2011, 05:28:49 AM »
Damn...seems confusing (at first), but I'll try to nail it down whenever I have the chance.
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #213 on: December 22, 2011, 01:45:18 PM »
Byakuren's opener on hard/lunatic level? I just can't seem to grasp it, i am clueless. Though i managed to survive one wave and then a death, that was not needed there!

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #214 on: December 22, 2011, 02:10:36 PM »
Just go for a side without small bullets; for the first wave, it's always on the right, after that it's the left etc. . Just make sure to prepare accordingly if Byakuren is on a far side; for instance, if you need to go left and Byakuren's on the far left, you'll have to enter the flow a bit further to the right or you'll probably hit the edge of the screen.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #215 on: December 22, 2011, 08:08:08 PM »
Alright, even though I've done this a thousand times already perfectly, failing it three times in a row shows that I got lucky a lot.

How do you consistently do the post-Kanako part of Mountain of Faith extra stage with ReimuB?  I take out the faith star fairies as they spawn, take out the right card fairy then work my way to the left side to shoot down the other, leaving room to move further left for when the wallfairies show up.  However, the wallfairies have ended up killing me every time recently and I don't want to waste attempts on getting frustrated without a more consistent method for that part.  Aside from the spam from all sides midway through the stage, it's the only part I'm not consistent at until Froggy Braves the Elements.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #216 on: December 22, 2011, 08:20:35 PM »
Ah yes, the green wall fairies. Lucky for you, there's a simple solution to this. See, the fairies come quickly, but there is a noticeable pause between when the fairies coming from one side end and the fairies from the other side start coming. During this half second pause, move up and change directions.

Since I'm bad at explaining, this should help better. Also, try and ignore the hilarious death on the spot before Kanako - I think that's the first time I have ever died on that spot. ;^^
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #217 on: December 22, 2011, 08:32:14 PM »
SA Extra, latter half, line of Blue Dressed Fairies shooting initally aimed bullets that scatter everywhere, faster version.
I can deal with the slow version but the faster one I have no idea how to do.


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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #218 on: December 22, 2011, 08:35:47 PM »
I noticed sometimes I'd end up about midscreen moving left and right spawnkilling most of them, but other times I'd get trapped.
Apparently the trick is reversing immediately, so right, right + loop around, alternate sides.

SA Extra, latter half, line of Blue Dressed Fairies shooting initally aimed bullets that scatter everywhere, faster version.
I can deal with the slow version but the faster one I have no idea how to do.
I got that part in my ReimuC extra clear
I just treated it like any other streaming part.  Hope this helps.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #219 on: December 22, 2011, 09:48:18 PM »
SA Extra, latter half, line of Blue Dressed Fairies shooting initally aimed bullets that scatter everywhere, faster version.
I can deal with the slow version but the faster one I have no idea how to do.
The one right after Sanae? You can simply circle counterclockwise around the screen - completely trivializes it.
When Sanae dies, move to the top right of the screen, and then along the top to top left, and then go down to the bottom.
At the bottom you stream to the right and after killing all fairies coming from the right side, go to top right again.
I think you circle twice and it's done.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRhg81Xv5Is&t=3m23s
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17584

* EDIT: I can see why it won't work for ReimuC (unfocus movement all the way!) - if you are using her, than stream it normally.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 09:54:21 PM by Kanon »

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #220 on: December 22, 2011, 10:50:31 PM »
* EDIT: I can see why it won't work for ReimuC (unfocus movement all the way!) - if you are using her, than stream it normally.
I didn't know about the circling method, but it would work for ReimuC-all that would need to be done would be keep shooting.
Also that run I posted is sloppy because it was my first run of the stage in months.

Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #221 on: December 22, 2011, 11:39:05 PM »
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17587
It can be done without circling. This replay is ancient, so don't use it for any other tricks. (Unless they look actually good or something. Also there's a slight chance I uploaded the wrong one.)

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #222 on: December 28, 2011, 03:34:59 AM »
Is there any tricks to Iku's first scene in Double Spoiler? Not that I need it myself but i have a friend trying to clear the scene and he's stuck with the notion that its luck-based. So is there anything to it beyond simply reading the lasers fast?

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #223 on: December 28, 2011, 03:54:56 AM »
Is there any tricks to Iku's first scene in Double Spoiler? Not that I need it myself but i have a friend trying to clear the scene and he's stuck with the notion that its luck-based. So is there anything to it beyond simply reading the lasers fast?
Iku aims the lasers where you were, so misdirecting the clusters is a viable tactic.

But what am I saying, I still haven't cleared this scene yet (because it's stupid and unfun)

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #224 on: December 28, 2011, 04:05:43 AM »
Where you were when exactly? Its simple to think that the card has some aimed elements about it but sometimes it'll just do something completely unexpected. I can account for that but my friend isn't as trained in dodging fast lasers as I am. Not that I'm in any way consistent at it.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #225 on: December 28, 2011, 04:07:36 AM »
Where you were when exactly? Its simple to think that the card has some aimed elements about it but sometimes it'll just do something completely unexpected. I can account for that but my friend isn't as trained in dodging fast lasers as I am. Not that I'm in any way consistent at it.
When you hear the shutter sound the laser cluster locks on to your location at the sound.
The annoying part is the second wave, keeping track of where it'll go is a pain, also, the aimed around clusters.

This replay demonstrates my strategy.
So close...
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17708
No laser reading was done over the course of that btw.

OK, figured it out completely.
You want to be in the part of the pattern you were in at the sound when the lasers go outwards.


A capture of this will go nicely with the info in the post.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17709

Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #226 on: December 28, 2011, 06:20:40 AM »
Well here's my age old replay - http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=17713
I distinctly remember this was the only stage 10 scene I could do when I first played DS, and I'm pretty sure it's little more than streaming. Is it just this one that he can't do, or every scene from that set?

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #227 on: December 28, 2011, 05:56:21 PM »
I can't do "Earth Light Ray" on Normal at all. Also Loafing Sign "Idling Wave" and Omoikane's Device (normal).

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #228 on: December 28, 2011, 06:29:35 PM »
Earth Light Ray combines three elements. A very 'undense' spread, a dense aimed cluster and lasers from below. You'll want to misdirect the aimed cluster and dodge the spread. It shouldn't be too hard to do if you just make an effort to misdirect the bullets out of your way.

As for Idling Wave, dodge the bullets and don't get hit. I really don't know what to tell you. Use spell practice to get the pattern down. It might feel a little odd at first but with practice it should become easy.

Omoikane's Device should just be a matter of very accurate tapping and not much else. There isn't some magic trick you can use to prevent yourself from stupidly crashing into stuff other than getting better at microtapping. The Normal version is very forgiving. Practice the Lunatic version until you can do that. Then the Normal version shouldn't pose an issue.

EDIT:

Oh and thanks to I have no name for clearing that out. I never realized that before clearing it. After 300 shots. :D My friend hadn't the slightest chance to figure that out since I had him play without sound so I could play Uncharted undisturbed. :V Thanks for clearing that up.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 08:03:48 PM by Zengeku »

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #229 on: December 28, 2011, 08:07:29 PM »
For reference I went and timed out all three cards: Idling Wave, Omoikane's Device, Earth Light Ray. The latter was even done no-focus.

For Earth Light Ray, the circular waves of stars are completely static, so it gets much easier once you learn where those are. I typically think of it sort of like lanes divided by where the lasers roughly are, direct the aimed stars to one lane, and then dodge to the one next to it that's still closest to the center (you don't want to have the aimed stars going off to the side since avoiding that requires fast micrododging, as shown in the replay). The problem is that the lasers aren't static; as far as I can tell they're random, so you may get luckscrewed on this one.

Idling Wave is Reisen's hardest spellcard. I usually bomb it during serious 1CC attempts, to be honest. If you want to capture it, pick a corner (I use lower right), rush there when the bullets dispel, then dodge the ring horizontal to your corner, then vertical, then diagonal. The next wave should start spreading while you're in the process of dodging the diagonal ring, so you get to the center and repeat the process. It helps a little to know there's a safespot a little above the "Enemy" marker for the first wave only, so you only have to dodge 2 rings instead of 3 on that one.

The trick to Omoikane's Device is to stay close to the familiar. Counterintuitive, perhaps, but if you get too far away you need to go a lot faster through the pellets, and since the gaps are fairly small that makes it a lot more likely that you'll make a mistake.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #230 on: December 28, 2011, 09:04:02 PM »
What's the single dumbest scene in DS?
9-7.
Is there any trick to it beyond dodge and pray you don't get an impossible wall thrown at you?

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #231 on: December 28, 2011, 09:37:27 PM »
FUCK how do I capture Imperishable Shooting? 0/361 this is absolutely pathetic. My record on Fantasy heaven is way less.
Not only does the second last phase gives you way too little time to dodge,
but the final phase is fucking BS like how do I dodge all that green stuff in less than 0.5 second and move up?
Seriously, I find micrododging in VoWG much easier than this stupid micromovement crap.

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #232 on: December 28, 2011, 11:09:22 PM »
FUCK how do I capture Imperishable Shooting? 0/361 this is absolutely pathetic. My record on Fantasy heaven is way less.
Not only does the second last phase gives you way too little time to dodge,
but the final phase is fucking BS like how do I dodge all that green stuff in less than 0.5 second and move up?
Seriously, I find micrododging in VoWG much easier than this stupid micromovement crap.
I don't have the time to describe the whole card, but here's a link with quick hints for each phase. Hope it helps well enough.
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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #233 on: December 28, 2011, 11:09:48 PM »
Oh, there's another phase after the greens  :V
I have no clue how to do the greens, I've gotten to them twice, my first time captured and my second time was in stage and I failed.

I have the replay lying around somewhere, but someone else who's better at it should probably give advice for the greens.

Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #234 on: December 28, 2011, 11:52:10 PM »
For the waves before green, make sure you're standing at the bottom center because it's aimed (and thus static, I believe). If you move left after she shoots there should be a mostly vertical path through the bullets to get inside. Move beck down and she does it again, but this time move right. (You can dodge both of those waves by standing right on top of Mokou, but that's cheating and harder anyway.) The green wave is also aimed, so stand at the bottom center and stay there. The bullets should come right at you and with some short left and right movements, they all go past you, and you can just go up to the center the screen. Then the last wave I usually go into one of the corners. She shoots some bullets that won't even reach you if you're in the corner, and then a bunch of bullets which move in different directions, and may be static. Just dodge that and you win. EDIT No I remebered it wrong. You go past that wave completely and just dodge the red one. Funen does it the right way in that video. (Which I should have watched before typing all of this :V)
DS 9-7 is pure stupidity as far as I can tell. You only need three pictures, so just keep trying until you win.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 11:57:01 PM by Zil »

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #235 on: December 29, 2011, 12:19:13 AM »
Thanks!

Ok, captured that damn stupid thing after grinding another 20 times and finally passing those rings before the green phase
History is now 1/383. Evidently, I still can't do that 5th phase with any reliability at all.
Yeah, that green phase was simply sit at bottom center and move as little as possible - I was moving way too much.
The last phase was very easy with Funen's way of sitting still until almost the end and then dodge red stuff - got it on first try.

Now, at 221/222 spells captured, only Hourai Jewel remains!
That is still at 0/153, so... ??? Just memorize movement and misdirect the moment the shooting sound stops?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 12:25:33 AM by Kanon »


Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #237 on: December 29, 2011, 02:47:46 AM »
Alright, I have Idling Wave and Earth Light Ray captured now. The latter still screws me over a lot (my capture involved panicking and running through a wall) and I still haven't captured Omoikane's Device but I'll just keep trying, I guess.
But now I'm stuck on Extra, specifically Iwakasa's Curse. How do you move around the red knives and go through the gaps at the same time?

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Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #238 on: December 29, 2011, 02:49:31 AM »
Stay below Mokou for 2 knife redirections, loop around under the knives then.
It helps to focus only on one type of bullet at a time.

Zil

Re: "Placeholder Sign [I can't think of a name]" (Spell Card Help Topic IV)
« Reply #239 on: December 29, 2011, 03:16:45 AM »
When you loop around go to the right and wait there for a bit, then you can move back to the left inside a row of knives. I have a timeout in this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDG1gpJCW7w
What I did in that video is completely different from how I would normally capture it, but notice how when I'm on the right side of the screen there are "rows" between the knives as the knives move horizontally. Move left through those and she should die shortly after, but you can repeat it all if necessary. (I guess they're swords not knives, whatever.)