Author Topic: Diablo Mafia (Prime Evils win)  (Read 36241 times)

Decade

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #420 on: September 08, 2011, 10:25:23 PM »
I have no role-related reason to believe Bremm is scum.

But in addition to the pile of lunacy I spouted on D2 that I called a case (I swear there's a good case in there but it's just worded so badly and covered in rubbish), him trying to make a counterwagon on me yesterday was also bad. I'm pretty sure he knew by then I was a survivor, for one.

I thought everyone figured it out as soon as Sorc flipped, really :c With the lack of ability thing, both being player characters, and my complete inability to provide an opinion on her, and such.

Punch Hopper

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #421 on: September 08, 2011, 10:39:30 PM »
Okay. We're done being sissies about this. Yesterday Eyeback was a terrible lynch the minute he both claimed and started passionately arguing for himself while the god damn OBVIOUS SCUM sat in the corner making cases on the Survivor. Bremm sure is an easy reread since he's only made Eight posts the entire game. The only scum read he carried through Day 2 and Day 3 was Nihlatak. All his other questions, FoS's or suspicions are forgotten in the next post. This is followed by dropping it like a rock and voting Barbarian because OMG SURVIVORS. Lines like this...
@Sorceress: ...So in accordance to Beetleburst's link...and in conjunction with what everyone is saying...Survivor is a High priority lynch.
Make me think he only made that case to try and replicate getting the wagon off of him again through the magic of ~third parties~ and pixie dust. We are getting swindled here. I'm tired of reading cases based around possible Bremm partnership while skipping the LYNCHING BREMM part they need to be valid.

##VOTE BREMM SPARKFIST


LET'S DO THIS.

Decade

  • Decade
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #422 on: September 08, 2011, 10:54:52 PM »
I'm all too ready for this lynch to happen.

##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

Also I just realized that maybe I -should- claim all my powers.

I'm actually a carbon copy of Sorc's role! I have a one-shot identifying scroll that can be used for rolecop or alignment cop. Obviously, I'm going to use it for alignment, and tonight. This is why I'm claiming, because I don't want to die and I'm hoping town has a doctor to save me! Now that I'm claimed I'm prime NK bait because who the hell would lynch me, which means that A.I'd lose and B.Town wouldn't get my cop result :C

Not telling who I'm copping because yeah no scum doesn't need that kind of info.

Yeah, Sorc's other item was a warp portal to town thing that gives me self-governor/bulletproof powers for one phase, on the stipulation that I have to use it before the hammer drops/night actions are processed. I used it after Sorc got lynched because I overreacted and thought I was going to get NK'd. Which was dumb. I need to learn to think more.

Kick Hopper

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #423 on: September 08, 2011, 11:03:33 PM »
Woohoo double-scum claimers~
##Vote: Coldcorw
Thats a pretty fast vote there, especially during LyLo.

Punch Hopper

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #424 on: September 08, 2011, 11:33:49 PM »
SUSPICIONS.

Barbarian - Free pass to the other side of the room. ..Why didn't you USE.. nevermind. Try not to die plz.

Nihlathak - Well he's not the survivor so he's town again. I don't think I'm stressing enough how much these actions Don't Make Sense as scum.  Defending third parties and only attacking what he sees as the stronger players? Especially if he wants to pursue those lynches in order. At least I'm hoping his urges to lynch the most blatant town is just him.

Fire Eye - I've been dismissing you as tunneling town, but there's some weird inconsistency with your cases. Like..
On the other hand.... I have lots of questions for Eyeback in D3...but that is for Day 3
What happened to this? I don't think there's a single thing you pursued Eyeback over on Day 3 that happened before Day 3. Why did claiming to be a tracker make Eyeback scum?

Bremm Sparkfist - Die plz either you're scum or this game is going to be over really fast.

The Summoner - I kind of thought Summoner was another player character. >.> I've forgotten why we've been clearing him for this long. He was pushing Sorceress as a scum fakeclaim. The number of ways that is just.. no. His only post yesterday was flags waving towards the Eyeback lynch. And his opener today is a thumbs up on the case on the obvious mason partner. :V C'mon, even you can do better then that, give us something to work with. On mass claim I think we shouldn't bother since the survivor just made himself a wonderful role target for us.

Corpsefire - Corpsefire the new's posts (be more charitable Nihl, he's made *four*) are wonderfully scummy additions when compared to Bremm. His only opinion is some kind of suspicion of Nihlatak (I think it's suspicion?) and 'oh vote Eyeback because it's the cool thing to do'. Yo Zombie dude, who the fack is scum today?

Kick Hopper

  • Kick Hopper
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #425 on: September 09, 2011, 02:42:24 AM »
Ha ha ha, Your amusing.

Anyways, I like how your asking someone to claim a case about an already dead person.

I like how you switched gears so quickly about my position in the game considering most of the game you did not even do anything about it.

Also, I like how forceful your being now that it is LyLo, you sure are impatience for a mislynch.

I also like how quickly you worked together with Barbarian. Sure Barbarian is now claimed Survivor, but that does not say a thing about your alignment, WHO are you to so forcefully drag and rush a lynch, especially in LyLo.

Kiva-la

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #426 on: September 09, 2011, 02:58:24 AM »
I really couldn't add more to the Eyeback case other then what was already said. although I did agree with it. And yes I am suspicious of Nilathak but I'll cover why after a reread.

Kiva-la

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #427 on: September 09, 2011, 03:12:20 AM »
EBWOB: I actually can at least say what I think about barbarian and ask something before I do the reread so might as well.

Barbarian - I thought they where the Sorceress partner seeing as they where the only other Player character but I thought it would just be a little to simple of a claim to make. So I didn't post or think much about it. However seeing as you have openly admited to being a survivor would you happen to know a thing about the "Key of Terror" Dropped in post #194?

I know I seem overly interested in the Key and the other 2 should they exist but the Countess was the only Lynch so far to drop things upon death and the key was at the top of the list.

Decade

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #428 on: September 09, 2011, 03:27:31 AM »
Nope Corpsefire, all I know is that we (As in, me and the now deceased Sorc) can pick up items from a wagon we were on, and Equip/Deequip them during the night.

It's assumable that Countess only dropped items because she was the only one who had a survivor on her wagon, or because the other deaths were nightkills/modkills/survivor. *Shrug*

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #429 on: September 09, 2011, 04:28:52 AM »
Well, seeing as how Bremm has not been quicklynched yet, I'd say it's safe to say he's scum. Unless Barb and Cold are both scum, but Barb is 3rd party so that's not a possibility, and Cold is my town read still alive.

##Vote: Bremm

Btw, on the subject of keys, I also hold a key.

Skull

  • Skull
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #430 on: September 09, 2011, 05:08:35 AM »
I still want to See FireEye's response to Mine and Coldcrow's questions before today ends.
Also, Summoner, could you tell me the name of the Key you own?

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #431 on: September 09, 2011, 05:10:48 AM »
The Key of Hatred

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #432 on: September 09, 2011, 05:11:12 AM »
##Unvote

Don't want scum to end the day before you get your answers then

W

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #433 on: September 09, 2011, 05:51:07 AM »
@Nihlatak, Proper answers shall be given once I read up.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #434 on: September 09, 2011, 07:13:14 AM »
@ Coldcrow, Nihlatak.

I like how you two suddenly aim the entire Eyeback case to me to be explained, while you could explain it yourself as well. Obvious results are obvious. First, we didn't knew that day whether EyeBack was scum or not. I am sure pretty much a lot of people were highly suspecting him for possible scum. Not because of his mach 3 lynching, but his overall behaviour. Easy fingerpointing huh?

Unfortunately that day turned into mod kills and now we are in LyLo.

I understand where you're coming from, Fireeye, but Barbarian is not mafia. He's the partner of Sorc.

Early in the game, I claimed Sorc and Barbarian were scum. This is because they were the two player characters in a list of everyone else being monsters.  Also, being player characters, they could use Items, and since some SuperUniques drop items when they are killed (Like Countess did), I figured this would be part of a win condition or a reward for getting myslynches. When Sorc claimed her role, I believed it because it fit perfectly into the theory I had. She claimed having a single partner, and that both of them could use items that are dropped during lynch, but only if they were on the wagon. This is reinforced by the fact that Sorc flipped "Player Character" as part of her alignment. I'm not sure why I'm the only one who caught onto this, but I guess I'll just have to blame it on my psychic connection with Pesco.
I had the suspicion that Barbarian and Sorceress could be partners because of the whole Diablo 2 Lore thing. But this still DOES NOT give us any guarantee that the setup is like that, because it is obvious Trollco setup. You weren't the only one who noticed it. Why else do you think I pointed out all the votings with Sorceress? See my D4 opening where I conclude LyLo. And at the same time Barbarian came into my mind as first.

Come to think of it, since Eyeback is apparently town due to Lylo, That makes all of the people who piled onto him fairly suspicious. I note FireEye had no sympathies for his role, even though I found it was sensible once I had take a look back at his play all game. What about his role made you call him out on bullshit, Fireeye?
Good point indeed. I had no sympathies indeed. So didn't Rakanishu and other players (see D3). He threatens me to claim because he knows "everything" about me, out of nowhere. Happened to be nothing at the end. And you know what was worst? He claimed Rakanishu and I were sharing the same traits, Anti-Town , unable to be tracked or w/e causing more confusion. Now tell me how do you sympathise in such a situation?

Remember Bremm posted his survivor case on Barbarian? "Barbarian basically lied" is what came to my mind. Either he was scum, or he was survivor, and I needed to know for sure. And guess what, I was right. He immediately hard defends with calling me scum, because I rain down on him hard. Logically I do this. How else am I going to elicit the information? This alone confirms my reads on Barbarian, because look at his claim, survivor and 'carbon-copy' of Sorceress. Comparing this with my own case, I come to the conclusion Barbarian is indeed now telling the truth.

Fire Eye - I've been dismissing you as tunneling town, but there's some weird inconsistency with your cases. Like..What happened to this? I don't think there's a single thing you pursued Eyeback over on Day 3 that happened before Day 3. Why did claiming to be a tracker make Eyeback scum?
Pesco's flip post still doesn't reveal us his role. He still could've been lying about his role of tracker or had been keeping things hidden, but he said Bloodwitch didn't return results on his tracking.  Only thing we can confirm is, he was town. And so was Rakanishu. Just because LyLo proven that Raka and Eye were infact town, even startled me. Not just only me, majority was infact suspecting EyeBack that entire day which made him claim in the end.

I can understand Barbarians concerns and paranoia of being careful due to his role. Retracting my pointing on Barbarian, why he knows Bremm is scum must have something to do with his one-shot abilities like Sorceress. If Bremm is indeed scum, then one of his partners are Nihlatak or Corpsefire or Coldcrow. I dropped Summoner previously from my list, Summoner is most town read for me. Worst Bremm, then followed up by possible Corpse and between Nihlatak or Coldcrow I am undecided. One of you is not entirely being honest.







Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #435 on: September 09, 2011, 07:35:02 AM »
##Vote: Bremm

Pesco

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #436 on: September 09, 2011, 08:14:49 AM »
Valley of Snakes Votecount

Bremm (3): Barbarian, Coldcrow, The Summoner
Coldcrow (1): Bremm

Not voting: Fire Eye, Nihlathak, Corpsefire

Bremm is at L-0.5
7 alive, 3.5 votes to lynch
91% time left

Skull

  • Skull
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #437 on: September 09, 2011, 08:26:04 AM »
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But this still DOES NOT give us any guarantee that the setup is like that, because it is obvious Trollco setup.
Actually, it's because it's a Trollco setup that this is guaranteed. Normal mods tend to live and die by the "Marisa is not always town, Mima is not always Scum" rule of game and flavor design. It's the most logical and basic part of game design, and therefore, can be fucked with to mess with the player's heads.

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Now tell me how do you sympathise in such a situation?
Well, first I would take the time to understand that even though he was pushing nothing for bad reasons, that he would have no reason for that mode of attack as scum, but a reason if he was town. Then, I would go back to see if his targets made sense given his reads, then I would go an read if his suspicions and pursuits followed his results. Of course, that's just me.

Well, Bremm's response to ColdCrow's vote says to me that he is neither interested in his own survival, nor in catching scum, both of which are major scumtells in a seven-person lylo.
Corpsefire, similarly shows no interest in manipulating the events of the game from here out, which means he trusts other, more experienced players to iron things out. This means this is either his first game of mafia in the history of ever, or he's on the scum team with someone who's doing a pretty fab job already.

This pretty much leaves me to waffle back and forth on Fire Eye and ColdCrow. I've taken a few rereads of both of you, and I do have strong gut feelings relating to both of your styles, but I can't really be certain. I still don't like CC's voting patterns at all, but I'm also growing suspicious of Fire Eye's Tunnling combined with the strong case on Barbarian.

Bleh, I promised myself I wouldn't overthink this, but it looks like I regressed to my old playstyle.

Kick Hopper

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #438 on: September 09, 2011, 09:00:25 AM »
Am I dead yet? I already claimed since the beginning so there is really nothing left to ask for.
Any way to get out of the situtation? Zero
What you going to believe from me? Nothing. Since apparently, attacking CrowCold is not a scum hunting thing.

W

  • Heat Joker
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #439 on: September 09, 2011, 09:08:41 AM »
Cut by Nihla, had to reedit my post.

First, It almost seems like scumteam is trying to lynch so fast to end this day. Not going to place my vote yet, because I too have questions:

I want to hear from Coldcrow who else she thinks is scum next to her obvious vote. "LETS DO THIS" ? What is the hurry? Your suspicion list doesn't add much new things to the current state.

From you Nihlatak, even while you make conclusions for yourself like that, I never trust Modco's setups. Call me paranoid or over-thinking (which you seem to suffer from as well) but I rather read things for myself first, confirm then judge Modco's setup.

Quote from: Nihlatak
Well, first I would take the time to understand that even though he was pushing nothing for bad reasons, that he would have no reason for that mode of attack as scum, but a reason if he was town. Then, I would go back to see if his targets made sense given his reads, then I would go an read if his suspicions and pursuits followed his results. Of course, that's just me.
That's not just you, I assume that is like the first thing everybody does.

Also, perhaps noise for this game: since you were so deep into that: I want to know why you used his Meta-play on "I knew who Raka was from her first day meta, and voted her as one of my two prospected lynches from before the game started." as your conclusions for picking out his reads and whether you are still using it now. This is rather important for my own personal reasons.

Finally, Corpsefire having almost no existence in this game makes me start doubting a lot of things and suspecting him stronger. Non-existent before and now continueing to creep in the shadows. In LyLo, I find this opertunistic and scummy.

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As cut by Nihlatak, he too has the same impression about Corpsefire.

Cut by Bremm correcting my post on Engrish. No edits required...

Kiva-la

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #440 on: September 09, 2011, 12:54:05 PM »
Well this practically confirms that Nihlathak also has a key as I suspected. Also Nilathak is correct when he guesses that I have no idea what I am doing. I will however despite this likely being a one way ticket to getting lynched or night killed give some info.  In post #412 you say that a 3-1-3 is most likely set up for Town/3rd party/Scum however this isn't true because if Barbarian isn't lying then I know that there are at least 2 survivors because I am also a survivor.

This actually sounds like a terrible thing to say looking it over seeing as 2 people think I'm scum and that lynching Bremm right now would be entirely beneficial to me but quickhammer seems to be obvscum.

Kiva-la

  • Kiva-la
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #441 on: September 09, 2011, 12:54:58 PM »
Also Nilathak you have the Key of Destruction right?

Punch Hopper

  • Punch Hopper
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #442 on: September 09, 2011, 01:59:21 PM »
Is anyone else alive Town? :s
I think my suspects should be obvious. I'll be back later if my internet stops cutting me to look over new posts.

Kick Hopper

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #443 on: September 09, 2011, 06:24:08 PM »
My futile struggling has failed, alas It seems my end has come.
I've had the pleasure of watching as you mortals build yourselves a personal hell without my intervention.
This pleasure of watching as you kill yourselves shall last me an eternity!
I, Mephisto - The Prime Evil Debuffer shall be the bringer of my own death!
No one shall take the glory of killing I, but myself!
Bwahahahahahaha!!

##Unvote
##Vote Bremm Sparkfist

Pesco

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #444 on: September 09, 2011, 06:27:10 PM »
Claw Viper Temple Votecount

Bremm (3): Barbarian, Coldcrow, The Summoner, Bremm

Not voting: Fire Eye, Nihlathak, Corpsefire

Bremm is at L-0.5
7 alive, 3.5 votes to lynch
81% time left

Kick Hopper

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Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #445 on: September 09, 2011, 06:30:38 PM »
...
CURSE YOU MOD, CURSE YOU!
TOO THE END YOU DENY ME MY DEATH!!!!!!!!

Kick Hopper

  • Kick Hopper
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #446 on: September 09, 2011, 06:47:10 PM »
Lets Copy Schezo

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15 townies, 8 scum.


Kick Hopper

  • Kick Hopper
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #447 on: September 09, 2011, 06:49:14 PM »
Actually screw this I don't have the skills for this.

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #448 on: September 09, 2011, 06:50:35 PM »
So, we're going to wait for the deadline to run down and lynch him or are we waiting for another scum to quicklynch him?

Kick Hopper

  • Kick Hopper
Re: Diablo Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #449 on: September 09, 2011, 06:52:03 PM »
Nice going brotha~
You just revealed yourself smartass :V