Author Topic: Genius of Sappheiros revival thread (Read 180767 times)

Serela · « **Reply #750 on:** February 03, 2012, 02:44:10 PM »

Quote from: Feonax on February 03, 2012, 07:01:10 AM

Yeah, I got Death Zapper at Youkai Mountain and it's been very useful since then. On the topic of magic, though, Satori still can't compare to Marisa or Patchouli even with all of her significant growth trees buffed to the max. I wonder if I'm doing something wrong here?

Satori isn't really a magic nuker. She has the advantage of having lots of skills -other- then damage, having the best success rates on debuffs/statuses in the game, and ability to hit any elemental weakness or activate chasers to achieve good damage in randoms.

She does have a few notably powerful magic skills though, depending on what point in the game you are in. Thunder Clap, then Holy/Shadow Flare come to mind, (These all become only "good" skills later on, and it's hard to learn Holy or Shadow Flare before expansion), and endgame nukes are Cosmic Liner, Dark Giga Flare, Punish The Judgment, Medoroa, and Mad Thunder, all of which are skills quite comparable or surpassing of Patchouli and Marisa's damage.

As far as physical skills go, Vacuum Wave and Tentacle are actually quite powerful skills, although hard to obtain. Samidare Slash and it's slightly better counterpart Hyper Fang Crush are pretty good, but you won't ever have Hyper Fang Crush if you aren't using a learning rate boost patch or something.

...I do remember Satori's earlier multitarget magic being comparable to Patchouli's first tier of multitargets, though. It depends how you've got your equipment spread out, though.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #751 on:** February 03, 2012, 03:02:10 PM »

After the hell that was Satori's fight, the Youmu/Yuyuko fight was a pleasant refresher thanks to Poison Arts.
I wanted to pick up P-Mist and Hellclaw as interim skills until I learned P-Arts.
First round
Alice: Puppet Control(or w/e, parrar's spellcard version)
Byakuren: DEF/RES Down -> Yuyuko
Reimu: Defend
Satori: Poison Arts(Tags Youmu successfully)
Sakuya: Jack the Ludo Bile -> Youmu(2 hits!)
Repeat ad nauseam until Youmu dropped, and Yuyuko got venom'd.
Once Youmu dropped, I went all defense until the venom did it's job.
Avoided Res. Butterfly, which Satori can't learn(And thus, it's useless.).

And on the note of celestial peaches....
My Face after getting a 3rd from a drop:

My Face after a 4th: :3
My Face after 3 more: :]
My Face after 2 more after that:

"Peaches! Peaches Everywhere! Hello peaches how are you? Fantastic!"
Needless to say, even after making the bombs gohei, great maid, fencer dress, viper clothes, sacred miko clothes, The Green Eyes(to boost poisoning), and the Shanghai Greaves, I STILL have plenty of peaches!

...But I'm short an Iron to make Youmu's current strongest sword. I COULD make the one that has a chance at instant death but...Right now she needs to be able to keep up with Sakuya, and that sword's the key.

Feonax · « **Reply #752 on:** February 03, 2012, 06:56:02 PM »

Quote from: Serela on February 03, 2012, 02:44:10 PM

Satori isn't really a magic nuker. She has the advantage of having lots of skills -other- then damage, having the best success rates on debuffs/statuses in the game, and ability to hit any elemental weakness or activate chasers to achieve good damage in randoms.

That's true, she does seem like a good support character with that Starlight Barrier and Reflect Wall and Elixir and whatnot.

Quote from: Serela on February 03, 2012, 02:44:10 PM

Thunder Clap, then Holy/Shadow Flare come to mind, (These all become only "good" skills later on, and it's hard to learn Holy or Shadow Flare before expansion), and endgame nukes are Cosmic Liner, Dark Giga Flare, Punish The Judgment, Medoroa, and Mad Thunder, all of which are skills quite comparable or surpassing of Patchouli and Marisa's damage.

I see, I had heard these first three were better skills so I was really bummed out when they dealt such average damage. Thanks for the tip.

Quote from: Serela on February 03, 2012, 02:44:10 PM

As far as physical skills go, Vacuum Wave and Tentacle are actually quite powerful skills, although hard to obtain. Samidare Slash and it's slightly better counterpart Hyper Fang Crush are pretty good, but you won't ever have Hyper Fang Crush if you aren't using a learning rate boost patch or something.

Alright, good that I wasted those 5 hours getting Hyper Fang Crush then. :V

Quote from: Hanzo K. on February 03, 2012, 03:02:10 PM

Needless to say, even after making the bombs gohei, great maid, fencer dress, viper clothes, sacred miko clothes, The Green Eyes(to boost poisoning), and the Shanghai Greaves, I STILL have plenty of peaches!

I'd advise against spending materials carelessly, since by the end of the game, you're getting the real good stuff which requires lots of character specific mats, and you'll only find 10 of them for each character from chests during the game. Otherwise you'll have to get them from the abysmal 0.1% drops. It's better to only craft weapons or armor with good effects, instead of just for bigger numbers. Greaves, though, I can't see a reason for crafting them at all. Alice does not do attacking, and Alice always goes first, nulling the necessity for Stun protection.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #753 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:49:08 PM »

They weren't for stun. They were for the +10% HP.
And being a DEF buffer, she needs it for boss fights. I've had her drop on me before, even with maxed Craft,

And everything else was to just get back up to date on gear. I can't live off drops and chest items alone after all.

Feonax · « **Reply #754 on:** February 03, 2012, 07:58:56 PM »

It has +10% HP bonus? Alright, it's not a bad one then. Go me for not doing my research. Crafting character specifics for other people just to get them up to par isn't that necessary if you've used the item codes. Those coupled with chest and item drops can last you a while. A few stat points don't matter as much as your strategy.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #755 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:28:30 PM »

Ah.
Well, I was noting a bit of a drop in output and survivability when I hit Muenzuka.
Nothing grinding wouldn't normally fix yes, but I wanted to ensure that said grinding would actually be survivable.
Can't bloody well exploit Poison Arts if you tend to have trouble living long enough to see it work it's magic.

Though I have noticed a nice mob, the Gold Beetle. Let it use Power Charge, and you're gonna get a full every time.
And that translates out to an almost surefire party-wide levelup, and possibly powerup too.

Feonax · « **Reply #756 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:45:47 PM »

Fulls slightly raise your stats in the current battle for a few turns. Most of the time, they can even hinder you when they knock your buffs off, haha. I always have it knock Manussya off Youmu or something when it makes me exceed 5 buffs at once. Gold Scarabs just drop crazy amounts of xp compared to the other enemies in the area in general. Even the angel and demon enemies in Muenzuka barely give half of the xp Gold Scarabs do.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #757 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »

Oh, so it's like a lesser version of sakuya's LW? Huh, never knew that.

Vilkni · « **Reply #758 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:16:25 PM »

Just a heads up, guys. TheNewGuy updated the translation patch to the 2.08 version. He wants to see how many of you people can run it without windows 95 compatibility mode AND see how more stable things get for you especially with the engine update.

Anyways, it's more like a much weaker version of sakuya's LW if you're comparing it to the full buff. Honestly the full buff is much more useless compared to many other buffs such as Byakuren's elemental weapon buffs (Okay, it's situational, but still wrecks a boss with the right element buffed), Sanae's all party buffs, etc.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #759 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:23:16 PM »

I'll give it a go when I have the chance.
I'll backup my install just to be safe.

Starxsword · « **Reply #760 on:** February 04, 2012, 05:10:38 AM »

Make sure you save some blades for Youmu's Doujigiri Yosutsuna, otherwise you'll have to farm for the Kusanagi, which is a lot easier to
do with the increase drop rate and learn rate patch. But 30 iron for Kusanagi is still harsh.

Edit: I updated and it is a lot faster, so you should probably update. Make sure you run the save conversion file after you update.

Aba Matindesu! · « **Reply #761 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:07:15 AM »

Quote from: homing curvy laser on February 03, 2012, 10:01:02 AM

2.08 is out too.
Looks like it messed with the VRAM management a bit, and fixed something with Youmu and Satori. Hope the fat youmu is still in

It did?

About damn time they did. I'm not sure what to think of the usage rates this thing upchucks: memory leaks, or poor optimization? Because seriously, 750000k? /headdesk

Serela · « **Reply #762 on:** February 05, 2012, 03:43:48 AM »

Maaaaan. Learning Punish the Judgment is quite a thing. Anything less then a star resist in light and you're taking way too much damage from Seraphim's Punish the Judgment spam, even if you have over 100 mdef and are decked out with buffs from Sanae ontop of double circle resist. Even with Star resist though, you'll be taking 200ish from it each turn...!

Instead of doing what I figured out (A way that let me actually keep my entire party from dying before it ran out of mp, including Sakuya's Great Maid weapon and Patchouli's immunity to the highest land power's magic... maybe should have tried out Nitori's Chameleon Camouflage.), the way to go is to have Alice decked out with those super resistance accessories to get lots of star resists, and then have Reimu use heals and magical Super Duplex Barrier to keep the two of them alive until it's out of mp. Then Mokou commander can revive everyone else, who would ideally be set up to take out the mp-less Seraphim. Satori just has to be kept alive until it's using Punish the Judgment, then let her get hit through a Reimu Barrier or leaf shield or just die from it.

Then you get to have one of Satori's most powerful skills! If you're too lazy to take on the final expansion boss properly, you can use Satori's PtJ to beat it up with a single party. There's a video of that on youtube somewhere.

If you got the Apollo Amulet drop in stage 21, that's a free star resist for whoever else you like. Probably a good idea to put on Satori, and she can use heals and barriers and stuff. If you got the lesser Light Enhance amulet, you might consider having Byakuren spam her Light resistance buff so that two people with double circle resist (Sun Ring and that amulet will give!) will be boosted up to star resist, then you could have a whole party of star-resist people easily. It's honestly just a hassle though. Easier to have Reimu/Alice duke it out alone, along with Satori if you've got some equipment that can keep her alive.

Also, 2.08 has fat youmu style glitch on the symbols for maxed out land. :V

Starxsword · « **Reply #763 on:** February 05, 2012, 10:36:47 AM »

I am not at the area to get Punish the Judgement yet. But does the 50% magic damage reduction work against that boss? If it does, stack it,
but I think it caps somewhere in the 80 to 90% range.

Serela · « **Reply #764 on:** February 05, 2012, 03:21:15 PM »

Divine Barrier does not work; Punish the Judgment pierces it. With that magic reduction stuff, Sanae or Byakuren with their buffs MIGHT be able to get the damage down to something manageable, but it'd still just be a huge hassle in comparison to just keeping two or three people alive until Seraphim runs out of mp.

edit:Oh wait, I just realized there's IV versions of the curtains that I don't have the recipes for yet. Well, with that, you probably could get another person up without much trouble, but even with grinding trips in Stage 21 in Expansion with Lithos/Aya rape to get a high ribbon, I still didn't kill enough things to reach 10k monsters before finishing the game.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #765 on:** February 05, 2012, 06:41:54 PM »

I looked around for that patch(Because goddamn iron!), and every download for it that I've found got deleted.

Serela · « **Reply #766 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:02:27 PM »

It won't work with 2.08 if you've upgraded, anyway.

And you probably really don't need to make whatever you're trying to make right now. Although there's some iron weapons you definitely want later on...

teefa85 · « **Reply #767 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:05:41 PM »

I had a problem patching the game. I clicked the link in the first post of this thread and downloaded the patch linked from the other thread, but when I replaced my game and image packs the game no longer plays, either in AppLocale or from the Genius of Sappheiros directory...it looks like it's gonna play but doesn't load. Thankfully, I do have a backup on my external harddrive to replace with, but still don't know what I did wrong. Note that I don't even remember what my version is, cuz I patched it months ago, though I can check on my external if needed.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #768 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:08:27 PM »

I'm after it partially for the upped drop rates, but mostly for the upped learning chances.
Though being able to stock up on Iron for later is quite nice. I figured I'd update once I was okay on basic mats. Special ones like sunflower seed notwithstanding of course.
Seeing as Celestial Peaches seem to be drawn to me like moths to a flame. (No, seriously, 3 in a single battle mean anything to ya?)
(100 of each should be just fine up until I get the higher-end recipes right?)

See, any game that has a blue mage-ish character, I feel compelled to fill out their list.
Strago and Gau in FF6, the Blue Mage classes in FF5 and FFTA, and so on.

Plus, I'll have two installs going anyhow. The main one, which is where the booster will go(and where all my progress is.).
And the secondary one, which will be fresh, and have the updated 2.08. No sense in starting testing partway through the game y'know.

Serela · « **Reply #769 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:25:38 PM »

Huh, testing?

In any case, I realized I still have a copy of the boosted rate 2.06 file. Attaching it to this post. 3 celestial peaches is weird, though! The only tier-specific item that you'd really get a use out of having lots of is Trapezohedrons anyway, though. Celestial Peaches, Sunflower Seeds, etc, after you forge one or two items from their selections they're sorta useless :V

While I did learn most of Satori's list, some of the skills are still sorta hard to obtain, not to mention nigh-useless by the time you'd be getting them, and she has a -lot- of learnable skills (I'm at 14 skill pages on her, and I know there's still several pages worth I don't have) so the completionist in me was satisfied with what I did. In, say, FF5, it's not that hard to fill out the whole list, but here...!

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #770 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:40:11 PM »

So...just stick that in the packages folder as-is right?
And thanks, this helps.

Serela · « **Reply #771 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:45:58 PM »

Well, you'll have to rename it to Game.pak like you do with the normal english patch, but yeah pretty much.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #772 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:49:02 PM »

Okay then, time to get to farming and learning.
Maybe now getting stuff like rocks and iron won't be so goddamn hellish.
(Seriously, I get 3 peaches in a single go, but spend 2 DAYS FARMING FOR IRON AND ROCKS WITH NO LUCK.)

Vilkni · « **Reply #773 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:51:01 PM »

Apparently it decides to read as index.php for me here, not sure what's going on, but thanks for the attachment anyways.

As for filling out Satori's list... eh, it's not really worth the trouble even with the boosted learning boost (Although the increase from 1% to 5% before learning bonuses is something I wish I had). Really, the only missable skill is Hyper Fang Crush at stage 18, and that would have been 1% chance without the boost. (See why people who want 100% end up resetting the fight so much?) And as Serela has already said, the majority of the skills are useless by the time you learn with the exception of some absolutely worth learning skills. Almost all the good ones are a pain in the ass to get anyways, especially the good support skills.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #774 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:53:27 PM »

I'm a natural-born collector, especially if it's Blue Mage stuff.
See, it's a lot like my own knack for picking things up.

But that's for a different sort of thread yo.

I really just want all the skills. I could care less about 100% equipment/scans.

Serela · « **Reply #775 on:** February 05, 2012, 07:54:43 PM »

Quote from: Hanzo K. on February 05, 2012, 07:49:02 PM

(Seriously, I get 3 peaches in a single go, but spend 2 DAYS FARMING FOR IRON AND ROCKS WITH NO LUCK.)

this is because you aren't really supposed to :V

Not yet, at least. The drop rate improves later on.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #776 on:** February 05, 2012, 08:02:28 PM »

Even with Byakuren's LW, and the gamer fan, the drops weren't...well, dropping! (yet the peaches were practically falling into my lap. :V)

Vilkni · « **Reply #777 on:** February 05, 2012, 08:20:59 PM »

I think the monsters at that point have less than 4% chances to drop Iron ores and the peaches had a higher drop rate considering that's the only place you can find them. This is why farming iron at that stage is a bad idea.

Hanzo K. · « **Reply #778 on:** February 05, 2012, 08:33:36 PM »

I really only need the one, so I can get Youmu's Kashasetsu.
I'll pass on the Zangantou, since she's got stances for instagib.

teefa85 · « **Reply #779 on:** February 05, 2012, 09:25:21 PM »

Okay, I checked my version to see what I had, and I still had 2.06. So I downloaded the patches to change it to 2.07 and 2.08 straight from the official site, and when I apply the first one it makes my game unable to open. Anyone have a solution?