Genius of Sappheiros revival thread

[Barrakketh]

Poison Art inflicts Poison, not Deadly Poison. What moves inflict Deadly Poison?

Poison Art can inflict a stronger level of poison, depending on +Poison% damage items, buffs, and induction.  And since Poison Art is capable of doing so, and Satori has a weapon that boosts poison damage, we're telling you to use Poison Art for a reason.  Also:

Formation...Poison Shield is an excellent one to use and is not hard at all to acquire.  Just have Alice, Satori, and Byakuren in a party plus whomever else you want, boost Satori's IND with Hyper Trigger, poison something and you should hopefully inflict Deadly Poison on the target.  If not, arm Satori with a Green Eyes weapon (Satori's...2nd eyeball weapon I think), Arboreal Robe (+10% poison damage), and a Poison Suzuran (another +10% poison damage).  That should do it.  After that, let the target die from the poison.

Afterwards, go to the magic circle right before the stage 8 bosses and bam, Poison Shield formation.  Alice should be taking point while everyone else is arranged behind her.

Now, I didn't need any other item aside from Green Eyes (crafted it before even trying because I had the mats).  As for the items other than Satori's Green Eyes, the Poison Suzuran should be named Poison Lily, and you can find it in a chest (Forest of Magic (West Division: North West-I)), and I believe the Arboreal Robe is called Venom Rune Clothes and can be found in a chest (Youkai Mountain (Giant Toad's Pond-K)).

[dew]

Hey guys. I am new to this game and was just wondering how the expansion pack works.. do you start it after you beat the game first or is it all incorporated into the main game?

[Barrakketh]

Hey guys. I am new to this game and was just wondering how the expansion pack works.. do you start it after you beat the game first or is it all incorporated into the main game?

Most of the expansion is post-game stuff, but there are some new skills, animations, rebalancing, etc. that you'd see in the main game.

[dew]

Thanks for the quick reply. I love post game content so that's great

[GuyYouMetOnline]

Lithos is down, but now I've got the final battle to grind for. I tried it as-is, and, well, yeah, I think I need to go grind a bit.

Also, question: I've been trying Reraise with Xu Fu's Dimension and now Posessed by Phoenix, but it never takes effect. Am I missing something here?

[Serela]

It's a variety effect; it will get dispelled by Vortex and may get pushed off if you get too many variety effects on you at one time (More then 5).

If you die while it is in effect, your character will go "Resisted!" and have 1 hp, with all statuses removed from them.

If the status never goes on the characters when you cast it though, uh, that's weird. o_o

edit:Holy jesus my "short blurb" on the final boss got HUGE. tl;dr I talk too much, and try to give too much advice.

Also, the final battle is more of a matter of getting the right strategy/equipment layout etc (Which is super hard if you don't grind a lot, admittedly). The two things I grinded for were Possessed By Phoenix and Youmu's lv60 last word (Which deals an INSANE chunk of damage to the final phase, using Youmu's lv60 sword. And if it doublecasts... oh boy.) and that's all I needed... along with a little luck to get Sanae's Last Word in effect for all/most of Phase 2, admittedly.

Grinding doesn't really get you all that much, to tell the truth, unless you go in and grind to like 70+, or manage to get a super-character-item drop for someone who could use it in first-phase. Which honestly I can't think of one that would be super helpful, anyway, although squeezing in every drop of damage you can for the second phase is a thing.

Anyway from this point on the post generally turns into "How I beat the boss, use advice as you see fit but it's not really the word of god or anything"

General tips for phase 1:I would actually recommend to NOT use Nitori. Her chasers prevent Marisa and Patchouli from double-casting, and her 3-bomb commander skill in your second party will save the hell out of you in third phase if any Void Gravitations end up happening too. Sanae should definitely be in this party, using Def/Res/MAtk buff and I guess you can pick one more if you like.

And your second party definitely should have Youmu and Byakuren. Youmu should have her Foreign God-slayer katana and her lv60 Last Spell, while Byakuren should have appropriate buffs (Dark Sword, Weapon Bless, Amplify Scrolls, and 3 heals since she doesn't need anything else). If you can possibly manage it, putting Alice in this party with Autobarrier shield and Poison Shield Formation will render you almost invincible for third phase, and your other two members don't matter; I had Aya literally physical attacking for Miss every turn, and Reimu just her heal which was marginally useful I guess (I think she used it... once, and otherwise also attacked).

I'd have Mokou in team one as tank, she needs blunt resistance and a great heavy armor to take Anastasis attacks, anything else is trivial. Possessed by Phoenix helps keep bad luck from other party members dying to a minimal. Sanae needs to be immune to petrify, Source of Rains (Lv58 or something?) is a nice emergency button if the party is petrified or lots of people died. Def/Res/MAtk buff is needed. Patchouli/Marisa/Satori can go all out with Elec (Anastatis) and Water (whoever the turtle girl is), Lithos takes low damage and fire messes up Water land manipulation so don't use fire, plus it gives Marisa room to use all her Elec/Water spells. Heaven's Crack is a good thing to have Patchouli set up while Lithos is out, and you will deal MASSIVE damage to Anastasis when she pops up again.

Phase Two is the hard part, because in phase three, Void Gravitation is the only thing that can get through Alice's awesome party saving. Blast with Elec since you have elec boost from Heaven Crack, and hope to god you have Sanae's Last Word on to boost your damage. If you can possibly at all spare the turn, then get Water/Fire land lowered with Patchouli's land element voiding spell; it'll reduce it by half the first time, and I think to zero the second time, and you want it at least lowered to half. Then if you make it to the third phase, make use of Mokou's reraises to take the Drain Element+Void Gravitation from the Elec land being maxed, -then- switch to the other party and set up Alicetank and Youmu-saves-the-day.

I also had Alice use Dolls War to make her shielding stronger, under cover of Nitori's commander bomb. People still took some damage from magic, so I made sure to spread out some m.def where I could, especially on Alice since she uses Little Legion to help people live.

Oh god so much textwalling. You don't need to follow all this advice, I just can't stop typing so I ended up getting into my entire strategy save exact equipment placement. You'll want the Bardiche staff on Patch or Marisa for elec-damage boost though, along with any electric-boosting amulet accessories and stuff. You really need every single drop of damage for phase 2 without a higher leveled party, and maybe some double-casting/patchcritting luck.

[GuyYouMetOnline]

Hey, no problem. Information is good. Are you sure having Patchy in the first party is a good idea, though? I'd be more inclined to put her in the second party to Active Elemental/Void Element land levels down to neutral.

Also, any tips for item-farming (aside from using the Gamer Fan; I already know that one)? Specifically, I kind of need basic forging items (Iron, Steel, Bamboo, etc.). I'd rather not go too far back to farm, as ideally I'd like to combine it with level-grinding, so the later-game the better, although I do still want to hear about good farming areas from earlier on. Trapezohedrons are also good to get, of course, but I've had good luck with those in stage 19, so I'll probably just head back there if necessary. Although if there are better places (like if the stage 20/21 enemies that drop them have higher drop rates or something), I'd certainly like to hear about them. What about meteorites (some of the armors I want need them)? Where's a good place for farming those?

[Kanoe]

A bit late but for that Poison Formation you can get it with Toxic which I believe is one level below Deadly Poison. 

[GuyYouMetOnline]

I think it's the same thing, just a different name. Either way, it worked, although is that formation really better than a single-row formation defensively? Doesn't Marionette Parrar have less effect on rows other than Alice's?

[[E]c]

Poison Shield formation allows you to use Alice as a tanker and her cover ability, while 1-row formation only allows you to use Alice's cover ability, so it should be better.

[Serela]

The front slot of poison formation is both far away, and has a 75% or so chance to be targetted. This means she shall draw most hits, and all AOE spells will completely miss the rest of your party unless it hits everything or hits in a line (In which case, it'll still hit the two people across from Alice, but you can't have everything)

And, Parrar is still godly even if not in the same row, so :V I'm curious how much greater the effect in the same row IS, though.

And yes, I'd have Patchouli in the first party. Her damage potential is so wonderful and very important for passing Phase 2. In my experience, as long as you aren't facing the Near-Impossible verison of Phase 3, you don't have to worry about any elements getting amped up to full that weren't already; and if they are, just use Little Legion or Nitori's 3-bomb commander move or something.

Having the first party able to absorb one Drain Element/Void Gravitation combo via Mokou Reraise is pretty nice though, since you'll want to keep one element up for damage purposes anyway.

[GuyYouMetOnline]

I see. What weapons/skill tree abilities would you recommend? Because I always get the feeling that I'm dealing less damage than I should be.

Also, I would still like those farming tips.

[Serela]

>farming tips

Yukkuri Kings in the last map of Stage 21 is the best thing. Just be ready with Aya commander and enough attacks that can fell a Yukkuri. Good suggestions are Perfect Murder Doll on Sakuya, Yukkuri Slash on Youmu, Nitori with a gun (ignore perfect dodge YAY) using her Chase Everything (or just a relevant physical element or Radiate), and Samidare Slash from Satori (Very good move that I would suggest getting if you don't have, but Fang Crush works too.). Nitori's gun can be sorta outdated and still be nice due to ignoring perfect dodge.

Unfortunately, due to the respawning system, you can't -only- use Yukkuri Kings.

Other then that, if someone needs their level upped I'd suggest making either a full-magic+Sanae+Nitori party for chaser rape, or full physical+Nitori+Sanae party for chaser rape, and going nuts in Stage 20 (maaaybe 21. It actually worked out pretty nice for me when I tried, but mileage may vary.) Sanae being there to buff the relevant attack stat.

This is purely for exp reasons. If you want something specific (Muscle Belt III drop from Stage 18 minotaurs, or any Stage 21 drops come to mind) then that's different. But you don't really need to farm around for rare 1-ish% super-character-specific-crafting-item drops.

Anyway, hmmm... for the first party, Mokou wants HP/Resurrect tree maxed. The p.def/shield boost tree is okay, but not too important because you aren't manipulating for Fire (Because it isn't worth it IMO, but you could consider using Fire/Elec instead of Fire/Water. The regen isn't too important though anyway.).

Marisa wants Astronomy maxed (Did I mention EVERYONE WANTS A LITTLE EARTH RESISTANCE IN PARTY ONE? I didn't, but they do, so they don't get 0hkoed by Stone Shower in phase 2. You don't need a lot, just a little.) and -a few points in her Lasers tree to reduce non-spell cooldown-. Yes it will affect her Stardust nonspells. Other then that, whatever gets you as much MAtk as possible on her. And the Bardiche equipped on her to increase Elec damage. Yeah it's matk is a bit lower but it's definitely worth it, because Anastasis will take ridiculous damage after you're set up, and the matk isn't MUCH lower. Giver her the best Water/Elec spellcard she has and both versions of said elemental noncards.

Patchouli should have her single-target Elec and Water card and single target noncards, Heaven Crack, and her land-reducing skill. You want her top two magic trees MAXED (Doublecast+Magic Crit from the 25 points in each is great, as well as the other benefits). Other then that, she needs to worry about not running out of MP. Give her the Eraser Staff and try to reach a nice MP boost in her mp-boosting tree if possible. You probably shouldn't use the spellcards outside of Phase 2 for the sake of her mp lasting long enough; in PHase 2 you'll know if you have enough MP for them or not.

Satori is a little more of a wildcard. She can use Mad Thunder or Thunderclap if you have them, you might consider giving her Starlight Barrier, and normally you'll probably want Ice Chill and Plasma Ball to attack with (Single Target is why. You'll want the boss to summon two crocodiles and then just never kill them because having maids summoned sucks. Vipers are okay too but less ideal.)  and probably Area Heal or Mass Heal just because. If you have a good eyeball for her, you can give her Self-Hypnotism. You might consider trying to land debuffs, because they CAN hit if you really boost her IND and appropriate tree, especially with Sakuya Commander's one-bomb skill (And I had no other use for Sakuya, so.). But honestly, I didn't have much use for Satori's debuffs, and it was a bit of a hassle to try and debuff Attack for Anastasis. Just 20 points in learning/3rd eye trees, and then whatever for more Matk. You might not even need 20 points in third eye tree since you likely aren't using long cooldown stuff.

Sanae should have buffs maxed, lots into her RES boosting tree, points in Snake for more res (Give her a snake, initial is fine), and then whatever (Heals I guess for the spare stuff). And yes you want buffs -maxed- so she doesn't run out of mp, not just 20 points.

And that was how I did my first party. The second party is a lot more straightforward (Lots of attack on Youmu, buff up whatever stance a lot (I used Human Realm and it was -awesome), make sure you have at least 6 bombs. Alice is duh (Give her an Autobarrier) and Byakuren is 20 points buffs if you can, maxed scroll, 20 points casting (and make her faaast). Try to make sure they have some sort of MDef if possible, but not too important. And then Nitori just needs bombs, Reimu maxed barriers and whatever, Aya is loluseless other then affecting turn order like making Byakuren go before Youmu)

and I guess that's most of the details about how I did it other then specifics on equipment but :effort: ahmg time to do something else

[Barrakketh]

Other then that, she needs to worry about not running out of MP. Give her the Eraser Staff and try to reach a nice MP boost in her mp-boosting tree if possible. You probably shouldn't use the spellcards outside of Phase 2 for the sake of her mp lasting long enough; in PHase 2 you'll know if you have enough MP for them or not.

Why not use one of Patchy's books?  Reading should give her effectively unlimited mana, and you get Magic Exorcism which should more than offset the lower M.Atk of her 5th/6th tier weapons versus the Eraser Engine.  And while reading takes up a turn, you can use it as many times as she has lives, whereas even if you had, say, 700 mana on your Patchy and used that much you'd only save 105 MP.

If you use the Comiket Catalog instead, you'd lose 7 M.Atk but gain 35 Magic Exorcism (the last boss only has 33, so you'd completely nullify it), +15% HP, +15% Light/Dark damage (not important if you're just spamming lightning attacks), and +15 MDEF.

[GuyYouMetOnline]

Is that Patchy's seventh-tier weapon? Because if so, well, yeah. But if it's her sixth, that shouldn't be a problem.

Also, I would still like to know the best farming spots for basic materials (Rock, Iron, Bamboo, Magic Medal, and Steel; I've got plenty of Pretty Mirrors).

[Barrakketh]

Is that Patchy's seventh-tier weapon? Because if so, well, yeah. But if it's her sixth, that shouldn't be a problem.

It's her sixth, the seventh tier weapon is the Necronomicon.

Also, I would still like to know the best farming spots for basic materials (Rock, Iron, Bamboo, Magic Medal, and Steel; I've got plenty of Pretty Mirrors).

You can look through my bestiary dump, I have drop rates for all enemies. (Satori and Alice are missing some of their skills, I've updated that but haven't uploaded a more recent version.)

[GuyYouMetOnline]

What's the best spot for Power farming? I know to use early areas, but which ones are the best? And which of those have enemies that drop basic materials? 'Cause working on both of those at the same time would be great.

[Leerius]

To farm power and basic materials I'd recommend you the 1st forest of magic, fairys drop iron/bamboo/stone/magic medal at 3%.
For steel I'd tell you to go kill some unicorn at 5% there's alot of them near the end of the 2nd forest of magic (steel turtle at 7.5% is good too in heart of Eieintei but you'd end up just kill one then run away).


Unlike Serela I switch team at the end of the first phase and just let Youmu buff then Paschal until the end (with Awakened Soul +5 bomb).
Another tips for Youmu, have her max Manussya, Katana and get the Spellcard cooldown -1 in Half Ghost then : if you have a pair number of bombs max STR else have one bomb from Asura and the PATK+20 if you have enough POW.

I hope your Satori have Shield Wall and Starlight Barrier (does Reflect Shield works against Lithos bombs ?) she'll be of a great help in any team.


Well, good luck for farming and the last battle.

...

Also I have a huge problem.
For the boss in stage 25.

One time I managed to beat her until she land All Reflect, so yeah, the end.
Then I managed to get her down to 20k hps (this time I scanned her between each Reflect Wall) and dealt her 26k but when I scanned her she still had 10k, she recovered ~900 from dark land but then I tried again to put her hps below 10 000 but it really didn't want to go below.

How to beat this boss ? Any party setup (mine was Alice, Satori, Youmu, Reisen and Byakuren) ?

[Barrakketh]

Then I managed to get her down to 20k hps (this time I scanned her between each Reflect Wall) and dealt her 26k but when I scanned her she still had 10k, she recovered ~900 from dark land but then I tried again to put her hps below 10 000 but it really didn't want to go below.

Part of the fight is scripted.  When you drop her HP low enough (when she'll use Reflect All), it's impossible to kill her until after she uses Reflect All.

How to beat this boss ? Any party setup (mine was Alice, Satori, Youmu, Reisen and Byakuren) ?

Use characters that can bypass reflect.  Reimu and Marisa can if you invest into the right skill trees (Reimu's is for her Spirit Sign cards, Marisa's is for her lasers).

Reimu can manipulate for light, and with one of her Gohei's (the best you can make, obviously) she'll get a huge damage bonus to her Spirit Sign cards.

[GuyYouMetOnline]

How does the power gained from enemies work? It seems to vary, unlike experience, and also I'm getting like one per enemy in early areas now, but I'm pretty sure I didn't when I was first in those areas. Also, the bestiary doesn't seem to have a power value for enemies. So how does it work?

[Barrakketh]

It's probably affected by the experience curve for the enemies you're fighting.

[[E]c]

I think the amount of power for each enemy is depend on your party's level compare to their. Not sure about that though...for those beetles in stage 2 always give me 4~6p each.

[GuyYouMetOnline]

So it varies, then? It is indeed not a set amount from each enemy? Because that would explain it (I don't think I'm seeing a level effect).

[Aba Matindesu!]

Just got back into Sappheiros again. Still trying to find my way around Stage 20, but with the English patch out, it's WAAAAAAAY easier to find stuff. I do remember fixing some of the translations on the wiki back then (IIRC, some of the character-specific materials, "Sugatta Scroll", and then some), and I sure hope I was right on the money with those :V

[Leerius]

How to deal large damage with breath ? just got Dragon Breath but it deals only 800~1.3k

[Serela]

I've honestly never seen breath deal great damage.

But you'd be able to boost the damage with STR/patk boosting items and such, the Giant's Eye (assuming 30% VOI dmg bonus applies to Breath) and buffs for that, and Sanae's variety-buffing buff, and if you landed a Crit (Youmu's 3bomb commander) or Yuugi's commander skills.

I'd assume that's where the screenshots of it doing hax damage on Poosh came from. Either that, or it was a different skill entirely and they lied, or hacked.

Currently have most of the characters rejoined in expansion! Wow... Sakuya, properly buffed/equipped with a Vyse Sword, can actually kill Flandre in one attack.

[Aba Matindesu!]

Where do I farm Iron Ore? Sword Fairies just aren't spawning for me :|

[Pocchama01]

Is the Atomic Defense Formation that you get from Utsuho missable? The wiki says the requirement is to talk to her after Satori learns 25 enemy spells and I have 45, but she still won't give it to me. I'm at stage 27, so I can't go back to before the expansion story to go get it.

[Barrakketh]

Is the Atomic Defense Formation that you get from Utsuho missable? The wiki says the requirement is to talk to her after Satori learns 25 enemy spells and I have 45, but she still won't give it to me. I'm at stage 27, so I can't go back to before the expansion story to go get it.

The Japanese wiki mentions Last Word, so that's probably the actual requirement (use her Last Word 25 times).

[Serela]

The Japanese wiki mentions Last Word, so that's probably the actual requirement (use her Last Word 25 times).

Yes, this is the requirement. I have the formation.

I'm not sure on a few other formations though, like the one you get from Iku. I thought it was getting 50 articles of clothing, but I guess not because I have a lot more then that and I still can't.