Genius of Sappheiros revival thread

[Moekou]

I got like 6 trapazohedrons, but am too scared to use them on anything other than accessories, cuz I know  I'll regret spending my character specific items when I'll get the convert 6 into the endgame version recipe later, darrr. Stage 20 is a beast though, very long, or crowded with very many enemies rather. Plus all the fights last longer than they did in stage 18, even if all my dudes blow big bombs with every move. I understand the expansion acts as post-game. But did the basic game have any post game content at all on its own?

One thing I heard is you get to challenge "ultimate" versions of the final boss.

[Eilaris]

Position #1: 10% target chance, auto-defend (before), speed -50%
Position #2: 35% target chance, matk +30%, def -30%, evade -99%
Position #3: 20% target chance, patk -25%, matk -25%, speed +33%
Position #4: 20% target chance, atk +10%, speed -15%
Position #5: 15% target chance, matk +10%, def -20%, evade +20%, speed +5%

Your guess is as good as mine on the logic behind this form.

Thanks!  Do you happen to have the exact numbers for all the forms, or know where I can find them, idly?

[Moekou]

By the way, what's the difference between Defend (Before) and Defend (after)?

[Ghaleon]

By the way, what's the difference between Defend (Before) and Defend (after)?

That is something I've been meaning to ask for weeks but keep forgetting lol.
That and exorcism.. wtf is it exactly. Reading up says it ignores enemy defenses.. Which defenses? I mean if I use Reimu, with  100 exorcism, and cast a light spell on something with star light resist, she'll still do 0 or 20ish instead of the usual 400 or whatever. If she melee's some tanky dude like those steel titan giant things in stage 20, she hits for 0 or 20ish as well. It doesn't seem to ignore any defenses that I've ever seen the enemy use, what gives? Seems to be a useless stat.

Last, not that I ever want to use her as a commander anyway. But it seems to me that most formations have as many negative effects as positive. So with Alice's double formation effect ability. Does it double the negatives too? The description implies it but.. well, she's already pretty awful as a commander, that would make her even WORSE.

[[E]c]

That and exorcism.. wtf is it exactly. Reading up says it ignores enemy defenses.. Which defenses? I mean if I use Reimu, with  100 exorcism, and cast a light spell on something with star light resist, she'll still do 0 or 20ish instead of the usual 400 or whatever. If she melee's some tanky dude like those steel titan giant things in stage 20, she hits for 0 or 20ish as well. It doesn't seem to ignore any defenses that I've ever seen the enemy use, what gives? Seems to be a useless stat.

Exorcism negates Divine Barrier, check the youkai encyclopedia to see those got DIV stat on them. All of the Devils and Angels (...Mech?) have Divine Barrier on them, which reduces all incoming damage by certain percentage.

[Deranged]

Pre-Defend: All people in that column have the bonuses they receive from the Defend command until they perform their assigned action for that turn.
Post-Defend: All people in that column have the bonuses they receive from the Defend command after they perform their assigned action for that turn.

[Eilaris]

Thanks!  Do you happen to have the exact numbers for all the forms, or know where I can find them, idly?

Never mind, I found it on the JP wiki here.

I wish I could translate the combat formulas, though, google translate garbles them up >_<

[Anima Zero]

Stage 15 cleared this morning.  The Beholders and Unicorns were much much easier to deal with having three characters geared towards physicals in my team (Sakuya, Nitori, Mokou).  Mokou also saved my rear against those new Officer Demons.  Silencing them = Welp there goes like 90% of their offensive choices.

Boss went by smoothly too.  Sakuya + Youmu buffed up with Star Sword, Weapon Bless, Amp Scroll, and Asura stance (for Youmu) pretty much wiped out all of the boss's HP within 3-4 turns once they were set to go with a little help from Reimu to shift the land heavily in Light's favor. 

Only death in this fight to boot was Alice due to needing her Little Legion to absorb a breath attack as my only skill for blocking said breath attacks came from Reimu and it was on cooldown ATM.

Stage 16 & 17 tomorrow morning.  Those FREAKING Hein enemies or whatever that change their resists around...god I hate those enemies.

[Ghaleon]

Yeah the heins suck. I still haven't figured out a way that you can tell what their current weakness IS. So I just guess.. wrong... every time, and hit them for like 100. blah.

As for that boss, yeah he's pretty easy, but it took much longer for me because it kept using vortex and wiping all my buffs qq.

[[E]c]

Just Instant Death those heins to save the trouble.   :V

[Serela]

Yeah, Instant Death or at least Petrify them.

FINALLY got around to doing stage 18. I've cleared... most of it. Auuuugh!

Also, Instant Death axes + Nitori's 3 physical chasers (She gets them at like 46/48/50 or something) is the best thing ever. Get her IND +20 from a pow tree and give her your Launch Earrings and it's just "lol who cares about damage DEATH DEATH DEATH", have 2~3 people using all-targets of the right type (Two~Three Meteor Zappers and/or Sanae's Serpent Bomb with Slash Chaser works swimmingly for a suggestion)

at least in branch B of stage 18 it's like that

And the third branch is fairly simple in that basically all you need is Satori/Byakuren/Reimu spamming Light on everything, although it gets sort of monotonous just spamming that over and over (You'll need a tank and preferably some Petrification resistance though)

Anyway, I think the way to do Stage 18 is to take turns with a 5-person party, 6-person party, and then 1-person party that sits there. After you clear a section's monsters out you can have the 1-person party sit on buttons and stuff while the other two beat the crap out of stuff. It gets a little annoying with having to leave and switch out parties and stuff though, especially if you get wiped several times and ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY IF you're unlucky, and you come in to find most of the monsters respawned (NOOOOOO)

oh god

gonna finish it tomorrow

[Zil]

This game seems pretty interesting. Is there anything important I should know my first time playing it? Just starting out I mean, I don't think I need a walkthrough or anything.

[Ghaleon]

Yeah, don't blow all your crafting materials all the time you have enough to make stuff. They don't drop any more often late game than early, and late game they demand more stuff. I'm barely keeping even by making something every 3rd tier or something for each character (that I use often, some I almost completely ignore).

[Anima Zero]

Stage 16 & 17 finished today.

Stage 17 bosses came close to failure because Matsuba is a dingbat with Vortex, insta-killed my Alice who had a Death resistant accessory on (Yeah I probably should have thrown some kind of +RES accessory on her as well.  Thought the Defender was gonna be enough considering I was using the Poison Shield formation for this fight), and was pulling off some DBZ villain level dodging skills because of her buff.

Stage 18 is open to me now, but I get to do some leveling up of low level characters first to prepare for that.

[Moekou]

I've heard both that Satori can only learn one skill per battle, and/or that she can only learn a skill the first time it's used on her. Has anyone been able to confirm which/both are true?

[Serela]

I've heard both that Satori can only learn one skill per battle, and/or that she can only learn a skill the first time it's used on her. Has anyone been able to confirm which/both are true?

I -think- I've learned two skills in one battle. But, I'm not entirely sure.

It's true that you only have a chance to learn the skill the first time it's used on you per battle, though.

[Kanoe]

Been awhile since I've been here and yay english patch! 

Umm has anyone had the game crash when you go to Growth in the menu?  I just started the game so maybe its cause i haven't leveled up or anything.  Just wondering. 

Edit:  Well now I crash whenever I attempt to cast a spell T.T.  I tried turning off battle animations, setting it to 16 bit, and tried using applocale and I still crash the moment Reimu tries to cast homing amulet. 

[Moekou]

Been awhile since I've been here and yay english patch! 

Umm has anyone had the game crash when you go to Growth in the menu?  I just started the game so maybe its cause i haven't leveled up or anything.  Just wondering. 

Edit:  Well now I crash whenever I attempt to cast a spell T.T.  I tried turning off battle animations, setting it to 16 bit, and tried using applocale and I still crash the moment Reimu tries to cast homing amulet.

Don't use applocale, it also causes crashes. Use actual Japanese locale and run it in Windows 95 compatibility mode.

Also, does anyone know what Circle Nine Formation actually does? Lower everyone's INT to 9 or something?

[TheNewGuy]

Been awhile since I've been here and yay english patch! 

Umm has anyone had the game crash when you go to Growth in the menu?  I just started the game so maybe its cause i haven't leveled up or anything.  Just wondering. 

Edit:  Well now I crash whenever I attempt to cast a spell T.T.  I tried turning off battle animations, setting it to 16 bit, and tried using applocale and I still crash the moment Reimu tries to cast homing amulet.

You need to have the game fully updated.

[Kanoe]

Where do I get the patches?  I have 2.01 and 2.02

[Barrakketh]

http://g-mirror0.gptwm.com/ichigobouzu/souzin_enki2/index.html
The ones that end with "x" upgrade from an unpatched version to whichever one they are for, if you already applied one of the updates you have to apply them in order.

[Serela]

Also, does anyone know what Circle Nine Formation actually does? Lower everyone's INT to 9 or something?

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10472.msg705880.html#msg705880

Okay, I'm at the stage 18 bosses now.

I also came to a conclusion about how to tackle the enemies in three whole parties, too! Hooray.

Anyway, the bosses. The octopus one is a hobag :c The wiki says Nitori blows bigger holes in her with Elec-element Rage Eight then Mokou does to the blowfish with Fujiyama Volcano; but Nitori only does a small fraction (Still very great damage) while Mokou takes down the other boss in three hits.

I'm not sure how I'm going to tackle her. Considering cutting down on my party for the third boss a 'lil and using Nitori in combination with Sakuya private square'ing and Alice for defence, with someone for heals.

Also, Super Duplex Barrier in combination with Little Legion and Starlight Barrier... keeps you basically immune to being hurt for 8 turns out of the first 9 (Didn't bother checking past that, and besides, how many turns do you NEED? :V). In theory, and as long as Alice can take the hits from Little Legion'ing. But holy shit. Maybe my theory is wrong, I didn't think too hard or test it. But I'll probably try it after beating up these mean bosses. Hee~

[Kanoe]

Now crashes even before the first attack. 

Reinstalling fresh.  Should i patch first then install the english patch or the other way around?

[Serela]

Patch first. The english patch is just copying over edited game.pak and image.pak, and if you patch it up to 2.06 first then those might just get overwritten.

[Barrakketh]

Patch first. The english patch is just copying over edited game.pak and image.pak, and if you patch it up to 2.06 first then those might just get overwritten.

Odds are the patcher checks the MD5 hash of game.pak and would outright refuse to patch the game if you installed the English patch first.

[Kanoe]

Yeah got it to work this time.  The patching actually did something rather than just instantly completing and just beat up Meiling ^.^. 

One last question (i hope T.T).  I saw that there were codes for the vending machine or whatever.  Are there ways to find these in game or are these just secrets that were dug up?  Don't want to use them if they give that big of an advantage. 

[Serela]

The codes were given to people who bought the game at the release of it or something.

They're actually a set of fairly powerful weapons if you get them as soon as you can, and they're about as good as the weapons you can get in the next two stages. It's a nice boon, but it's not ridiculous advantage or anything. Their secondary effects, like minor EXP/POW gain boost or increase item drop rate, are somewhat nice and continue to be useful on commanders forever.

[TheNewGuy]

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10472.msg705880.html#msg705880

Okay, I'm at the stage 18 bosses now.

I also came to a conclusion about how to tackle the enemies in three whole parties, too! Hooray.

Anyway, the bosses. The octopus one is a hobag :c The wiki says Nitori blows bigger holes in her with Elec-element Rage Eight then Mokou does to the blowfish with Fujiyama Volcano; but Nitori only does a small fraction (Still very great damage) while Mokou takes down the other boss in three hits.

I'm not sure how I'm going to tackle her. Considering cutting down on my party for the third boss a 'lil and using Nitori in combination with Sakuya private square'ing and Alice for defence, with someone for heals.

Also, Super Duplex Barrier in combination with Little Legion and Starlight Barrier... keeps you basically immune to being hurt for 8 turns out of the first 9 (Didn't bother checking past that, and besides, how many turns do you NEED? :V). In theory, and as long as Alice can take the hits from Little Legion'ing. But holy shit. Maybe my theory is wrong, I didn't think too hard or test it. But I'll probably try it after beating up these mean bosses. Hee~

What levels are you at for stage 18 anyways? That's where I currently am and I want to know how much I should grind my lesser used characters.

[Serela]

At the start, one or two of my characters were as low as 38, while my highers were near 50. Afterwards everyone is at least about 46 (With nothing done outside of Stage 18 itself), but I died a -lot- while doing it because I was really silly. *Shifts eyes*

As long as people aren't too obscenely underleveled, you can probably just jump right in and they'll catch up with the double exp gain. Then again, Stage 18 isn't exactly easy, so maybe not... *Shrugs* Heh :3

edit:What am I saying. No, Satori was about 51 because I NEVER take her out of my party, while my other highers (Alice, Nitori) were more around 48ish. But in general I was closer to the lower forties when I started stage 18. Don't worry about the specifics much though, because a few levelups don't make a big different (Unless you learn an important skill or two on said levels; most characters, however, don't learn much between 40 and 70.)

[Moekou]

As for me...cleared stage 12 today.  I actually took down the bosses the hard way.  Was tricky and took a few tries to develop my strategy, but it worked.  Sakuya ran out of MP at the end and a couple other characters came close to it though.

Oh wow, how did you manage to survive and take out the Guncannon? Also I wonder how exactly Alice's shield works, as normally it let me breeze through otherwise-partywipes like Komachi's coins, but seemed pretty ineffective against Kanako's Onbashira/Face Smash despite everyone wearing strong anti-physical shields except one with strong anti-magic shield. Most of the party die or lose most of their health from one attack from her, even with Alice's Parrar.