Graveyard Anonymafia - Game Over

[Kabuto]

I disagree on the Remilia point (I'm looking back at a game where I was newbtown and I did the exact same thing), but in any case that's up to Remilia to follow up on in light of new posts. Is the lack of a vote the main reason you're voting her?

I do agree that Ayumu's initial vote on Remilia is a null tell, but I think the main point against him right now is his lack of content since then aside from a few weak snipes.

Meanwhile, I'm staring holes into Bogmire's #87. I didn't know you could pack so many waffles and weak asides into one post. He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.

[Ryuki]

Basically, I went after Youmu because I didn't understand why she went after Ayumu (for 3rd vote on bandwagon) as opposed to me (for 4th vote on the bandwagon), which I thought was scummy due to lack of consistency.  After that, I did not buy the reason that Ayumu was more sketchy and evasive solely because he supposedly answered Meanie's question 'wrongly' and effectively split her reason and vote into two posts, hence the back-and-forth which I don't really want to continue right now, with all this activity.  Though I still don't agree with Youmu at all, I suppose people are right about this becoming trivial.  It was all based on what I saw as inconsistency in reasoning between two people. So yeah...  Also completely missed the dimension of Ayumu changing her vote from someone else to Remilia (which I thought was nullish myself).

##Unvote

Everything about Ayumu, Remillia, etc. has been said.  I don't particularly care for the Remilia case myself since a blank unvote is just a small mistake.  She just seems to have some potential in her Ayumu case, and certainly seems to be trying to play the game.  In comparison, Ayumu, while having a RVS philosophy I totally agree with, doesn't have a case after so many posts, which is the worst offence town can ever commit.  She needs a case on someone.

##Vote: Ayumu

Bogmire, if you have taken down notes, can you give us a peek on what you have seen?  Also, why do you prefer voting Reg as opposed to Ayumu?  Like Shiba, I find your post and vote somewhat opportunistic and empty.

[Halloween Alice]

##Unvote:Reg

Lemme just say that I genuinely misinterpreted that as RVS reasoning, not realizing you were going with previously stated reasoning. :V

Anyhow, when I say "notes" I mostly mean "a listing of things people said" so it's really a summary of posting. :V

Anyhow, like I said, I had misunderstood his post and that's why I thought he was worse, but yeah. Could definitely stand to hear more from Ayumu, and that last post (#80) slightly confused me.

[Decade]

Gonna start hurting people if everyone keeps unvoting and not voting someone else.

[OOO]

Master, why are they referring to Mr. Ayumu as female?
Mr. Ayumu isn't a girl like Munak!
Mr. Ayumu definitely isn't as pretty as Munak!
...Right master?
...Right?...

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Miss Youmu, I believe that this has been brought up already but I feel that I have not heard a decent response from you in regards to it.

"Not being creative" was a non answer. It felt evasive. Are you planning to tell me that you were just as evasive and sketchy? Do you truly see no difference between your response and their's? Your first joke was amusing, but too many of them will wear rather thin.

Mr. Ayumu's vote was most likely a random vote.
Munak is wondering how you can feel that somebody was being evasive in regards to a random vote.
When you addressed Munak's earlier post you ignored the important part of what I had to say, miss Youmu.
Can you please tell Munak how Necro Gardna was defending Ayumu by questioning your logic?
Because, with what you said about Necro Gardna's defense being a 「why X but not me」, that does not appear to be a defense to Munak at all.
Instead, to me, it looks as though Necro Gardna is questioning why you attack Mr. Ayumu for one thing but not Necro Gardna.
Munak thinks that, if miss Youmu was truly trying to find scum, miss Youmu would indeed bring up the same point on both Mr. Ayumu and Necro Gardna.
Why do you not do this, miss Youmu, and instead attack Necro Gardna for supposedly defending Mr. Ayumu?
And miss Youmu, why do you question me about whether or not I know anything about Necro Gardna (I don't, I just think that Necro Gardna raises a valid point in regards to your vote on Ayumu and reasoning) when you yourself proclaim Lady Arcueid as town with no explanation?
Do you know anything we don't about Lady Arcueid, miss Youmu?

[DiEnd]

Bog what the hell? No, seriously, your post is exceedingly awful. Fix it. NOW. With a strange little magic called a VOTE. Those are nice. You know, ACTUAL OPINIONS are too. Just sayan.

Munak, you're acting dumb. Let's take your awful premises down line by line.

1. Ayumu's vote was likely a random vote. Sure.
2. The original vote wasn't evasive. THE REASONING FOR THE VOTE WAS. "Not being creative" is a horrible reason after being pressed. It would have made a lot more town sense had Ayumu said it was a random vote.
3.  No, I didn't ignore it, you're just being too tunneldumb to see when someone answers you.
4. Already. Answered. Read my posts, please.
5. Then you're quite simply unable to comprehend the english language and I can't do much for you.
6. Yes. Can you explain how that's NOT a defense in your magical land of incorrectness?
7. Youmu Konpaku thinks that, if Munak were actually reading the same game she was, she'd realize that Ayumu and Gardna did not act in the same manner.
8. Already explained. Read my posts, please.
9. And Miss Munak, why do you question me about why I press you on Necro when instead you could simply answer in a similar  fashion to my own? Why are you deflecting, Miss Munak?
10. Yeah, that she's far better at reading comprehension than you'll ever hope to be.

[OOO]

Master...!
Stop feeding Munak so that Munak can talk!
You're going to make Munak fat!

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Munak is going to ignore miss Youmu's hostilities, even if it pains Munak.
Munak questions you when Munak could have answered in a similar fashion to your own because Munak believes that doing that would simply lead to the discussion going around in circles.
Miss Youmu's response has been noted and Munak will post Munak's thoughts on the game once master stops bullying Munak.

[Kaku Seiga]

I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.

I still don't find that a good reason, but I can deal with it for now.
The fact that you had to be asked for a reason the first time and then asked another time on a reason for a reason for voting seems a bit scummy to me. If you wanted to vote me over Youmu despite us being candidates for your reason. The state that point loud and clear. Even if you said something like "I would rather vote Remilia then Youmu though."
##Vote: Ayumu
I'm still not convinced enough.

[Kabuto]

I still don't find that a good reason, but I can deal with it for now.

##Vote: Ayumu
I'm still not convinced enough.

Could you elaborate on the reason for your vote? I'm not sure I understand.
Also, do you have any reads on other people?

Anyhow, like I said, I had misunderstood his post and that's why I thought he was worse, but yeah. Could definitely stand to hear more from Ayumu, and that last post (#80) slightly confused me.

Mmhmm, who do you think is scum? Also, that's a rather quick backtrack on Shoe. Not hard to "misunderstand" Shoe when he posts a no-content one-liner, so why are you clearing him so easily?
##Unvote
##Vote: Bogmire

Still think that Shoe is taking one aspect of Remilia (the unvote) and blowing it out of proportion, when there are other things that could be said about her (stuff that people like Sid have touched on), but I'm going to need some other info first~

[Kabuto]

EBWOP: Unless your initial reasoning for voting Shoe was something other than I'm thinking, in which case scratch that last question I suppose. First question still stands though.

[Kabuto]

EBWOP: To clarify on my last paragraph, it feels like Shoe is saying the equivalent of "An unvote! U SCUM! Also what everyone else said."

[Kaku Seiga]

The fact that you had to be asked for a reason the first time and then asked another time on a reason for a reason for voting seems a bit scummy to me. If you wanted to vote me over Youmu despite us being candidates for your reason. The state that point loud and clear. Even if you said something like "I would rather vote Remilia then Youmu though."

This was the reason for my vote.
And the first sentence was talking about the reason for voting me. The last line was about him not convincing me that he was town.

[Kabuto]

So your reason for voting him is because he was slow to give a reason for his RVS vote? Do I have this right?

Also, do you have any reads on other people?

[Kaku Seiga]

Yes. As it's "possible" he's stalling.
Also sorry I musn't of read that line.
I think most of you guys are currently leaning town.
So far the most suspicious to me are Ayumu and Necro.
Necro to me is almost neutral but leaning ever so slightly to scum.

[Kabuto]

Hmm, okay. I'll let Ayumu address that point himself if he ever decides to show up. Why is Necro suspicious to you?
Don't be put off by all the questions; I'm just trying to get you know you better.  :blush:

[Kaku Seiga]

Necro is suspicious to me because of all the reasons he used. Pretty much all of them could be summed up as "RVS and reasons" like everybody said.
His posts just seem like fluff to me and I think he needs to put something concrete down.
But IMO he seems a bit better now so that's why he's more neutral to me.

[OOO]

*Tug*Tug*
Did you miss me? Because I missed you!
.......
...Master...You haven't been with Mr. Ayumu...Have you?
Master only has eyes for Munak...Right?

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Munak doesn't care about the RVS because it's RVS.
The first meaningful discussion comes from lady Arcueid and miss Youmu in regards to Necro Gardna's vote being the fourth on mistress Remilia's wagon.
Munak regards this as null for the time being, though more information on Necro Gardna is required.
Munak doesn't understand how miss Youmu is able to glean her reads on mistress Remilia from random votes and flavor responses.
Why was mistress Remilia's comment about spring odd?
Munak also wonders about whether or not miss Youmu found the other votes that had a single line accompanying them odd as well.
Mr. Barret sums up Munak's thoughts regarding miss Youmu's behavior in #75.

In regards to miss Youmu's latest post, Munak is still wondering.
Munak feels that Mr. Ayumu's reasoning was equivalent to saying that it was a random vote at the time.
Munak is curious about why miss Youmu seems to want to push this point so much.
As far as Munak can see both Necro Gardna and Mr. Ayumu, as well as many other people, voted randomly with very little reasoning.
Munak believes that all random votes are the same.
Can miss Youmu please explain to Munak how Mr. Ayumu and Necro Gardna's behaviours were different?
Oh, and miss Youmu. In #88 miss Youmu said that Munak still thinks that it is the RVS stage.
Munak thought that the RVS was over.
Munak simply has had bad experiences with humans trying to kill Munak for her hat.
Munak would appreciate if hats were not mentioned anymore.
And one final thing that Munak would like to say to miss Youmu is that Munak would appreciate it if miss Youmu would speak with a softer tone.
Munak gets upset when anybody that isn't master is angry.

Count von Count brings up a good point in regards to Mr. Ayumu.
Munak believes that it would be nice if Mr. Ayumu would respond to Count von Count's #66.

Munak wonders about Corporal Shoe.
If everybody is being silly as Corporal Shoe says, can Corporal Shoe enlighten Munak and the others on what is not silly?
Munak likes Corporal Shoe but Munak would appreciate if Corporal Shoe could be more willing to share Corporal Shoe's opinions without being questioned about them.

Munak thinks that mistress Remilia looks bad, but Munak does not think that mistress Remilia is at the point where mistress Remilia is looking scummy.

[Ouja]

Remilia looks like terrible town under pressure to me. I've been there before, and so I'm not convinced that what she's doing right now comes from a scum mindset.

Reg Shoe blithely waltzes in, concise to the point of not giving reasons for his vote. Planning on riding out the bandwagon? Vote stays.
Are you saying that voting twice in RVS is anti-town? I hope that's really not your reason for voting Ayumu.

Ayumu: So, is your Remilia vote a serious one now?

And how is it different form what you did?

Could you elaborate on the reason for your vote? I'm not sure I understand.
Also, do you have any reads on other people?
Mmhmm, who do you think is scum? Also, that's a rather quick backtrack on Shoe. Not hard to "misunderstand" Shoe when he posts a no-content one-liner, so why are you clearing him so easily?
##Unvote
##Vote: Bogmire

Still think that Shoe is taking one aspect of Remilia (the unvote) and blowing it out of proportion, when there are other things that could be said about her (stuff that people like Sid have touched on), but I'm going to need some other info first~

So you voting him cause he misunderstand something that you even said could be easy misunderstood?

##Unvote
##Vote: Kūkaku Shiba

To be honest I can't help but wonder about your priorities. First you say in your Reply #90: ?He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.? Only to make him first priority a bit later, just for a ?misunderstanding?? Are you really that desperate?

[DiEnd]

Oh jagaimo shi, all of these questions sound really familiar.  You're asking the same things Necro Gardna asked earlier. Go refer to those answers to your questions. Including how random voting isn't and how two people never react the same to something. I dislike repeating myself immensely. Your repost for the master is alot of repeating what other people have said and it's not good enough for me. What good point does the Count bring up against Ayumu? What information are you looking for from Necro Gardna? Who exactly out of the people you brought up do you suspect as rotten zombies?

As for the softer tone, I'm afraid there is no off switch for this aggression. Not forcing me to repeat myself will help keep my enlightened wrath from striking you.

Remilia. Some basic math should tell you eleven other people can't be town aligned. The way you phrase your suspicions isn't very clear. I'd appreciate if you find at least one more person to be suspicious of.

Tending the gardens and cooking Lady Yuyuko's seventeen course meal has left me exhausted. Let there be more contents when I rise! No, not that way!

[Faiz]

@Arcuied: I can agree with your answer, but even still I'm not willing to clear her out just yet.

Uhhh, are you asking me "Why me and not X?"

In fact, it seems the only reason you find my reason stupid is because it can apply to both you and Youmu.

If you want a true answer to the random unvote revote, simple. RVS Stage, pile votes on someone, and people will talk. I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.

@Ayumu: This still does not show your opinion on anyone. Your opinions on others?

...We require more vespene gas information.

[Kiva-la]

There's been a lot of activity, but I really don't a good feeling about many of the posts.  I'll address that later.

What I would immediately like to draw attention to is Ayumu's lastest response, particularly:

If you want a true answer to the random unvote revote, simple. RVS Stage, pile votes on someone, and people will talk. I just simple chose Remilia because I liked the Youmu pick over than the Remilia pick.

This would have been perfectly acceptable if you had said this to start with, in fact, I still have no problem with this even after you gave a joke reason as a substitute (A.k.a "Remilia's jokevote reason wasn't creative enough" [btw can we stop harping on this? It's incredibly distracting]).  I have but one major problem.  This sentence still stands, as yet unanswered for:

Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.

Here you are using your jokevote reason, a reason which isn't the "true" reason you voted, to slander someone else.  (Oddly enough this might be translated to "Why me and not X?" by some of the less scrupulous players).  I find the intent to be strictly malicious, and I have no qualms about your lynch. 

I would still like to know what exactly you were trying to imply with that jumble of words you came up with.  I'll repeat it so you understand completely.

Either way, I did provide some reason other than Necro who said that there are no reasons for RVS votes.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Ayumu Aikawa (5): Count von Count, Mean Ghost Girl, Youmu Konpaku, Necro Gardna, Remilia Scarlet (L-3)
Remilia Scarlet (3): Reg Shoe, Ayumu Aikawa, Sid Barett
Youmu Konpaku (2): Pamela Ibis, Munak
Bogmire (1): Kūkaku Shiba
Kūkaku Shiba (1): Elizabeth Bathory
Necro Gardna (1): Arcueid Brunestud

Not Voting: Bogmire
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.  There are currently ~25 hours left in the day. Better not waste them~

Pamela Ibis has been prodded.

[Den-O]

Pamela needs to exist more. Arcueid and Bogmire should post to update their reads and vote (for the latter).

Ayumu's Remilia vote is silly. It was RVS. People that call the vote scummy are making a fuss out of nothing. People that are arguing about it aren't scumhunting. Necro, Youmu and Munak have generated enough noise for scum to lurk through it.

At this stage, Ayumu is voteparking on Remilia. No update of opinions, no initiative to pressure people and thus no scumhunting. Who are your scumpicks? If you can't name anyone, why not?
Remilia has not improved at all and her vote is weak. She's harping on a RVS null-reason instead of what's scummy about Ayumu.

##Unvote
##Vote Ayumu (L-2)

Remilia isn't popular enough to get lynched today. The 25 or so hours left in the day does not equate to time available for dragging your feet. MotK Town needs to stop thinking 'Oh deadline is still so far away, we can wait for people to show up at their leisure'. Votes need to be consolidated now.

[DiEnd]

I don't see much interesting to respond to but Reg is right we need to consolidate.

People I want dead:
Ayumu - Weird gaffe in RVS followed by insistence on having "reasoning" for voting Remilia earlier, most notably providing nothing else.
Bogmire - The unvote and IIoA was horrible. I remember nothing of worth from Bog.
Necro (kind of) - I'm...not actually too sure here. Necro feels *weird*, but I can't put my finger on it yet. Will need to reread him at some point.
Remilia - Early bad gut vibes, reinforced by a general non existence except to give the most minimalist of stances that can hardly be qualified as pro town.

Keeping vote on Ayumu since, well, they're both most likely to be lynched right now and most likely to be scum.

[Kiva-la]

Oddly enough I really liked that Reg post.  I completely agree with everything actually (although I'm throwing away the first sentence).

[Halloween Alice]

I misinterpreted Reg in that I thought he was simply still using RVS reasoning for keeping his vote on Remilia, I didn't realize he was just agreeing with the already stated reasoning.

Gardna has taken a rather... confusing stance. He does seem to be overexplaining the whole "It's RVS, you don't need a real reason" part, but I'm not sure if that's actively trying to make up for lack of content, or if it's just trouble with explaining.

Ayumu is looking pretty bad to me, what with no posts that have given opinions or reads, and a general lack of posting content as well (in fact, I haven't seen any content being posted that wasn't answering a question). I'm willing to vote Ayumu except I'm not sure putting them at L-1 already is such a good idea.

[DiEnd]

Bog! Do you have any suspects outside of Ayumu? Because seriously, your lack of a stance whatsoever all day is irritating me. My hand is on my sword.

[Halloween Alice]

No, I do not currently have any major suspects other than Ayumu.

[Sasword]

Count #66

*Ayumu chainsaws [REDACTED]self in half*

QQ, I am stoopid, lynch me please. In seriousness, that was stupid of me, and I have no idea what I was thinking.

Remilia 103

Stalling? Think of this situation. If the towniest thing to do in RVS is to randomvote and leave it there, and everyone is voting a different person in a giant circle except for me. If I were "stalling", then the most sensible thing for me to accomplish that would be a) Not vote anyone at all or b) Vote the last person so everyone has 1 vote. Instead, I moved off someone who had 1 vote (mine) and moved it to someone else who had multiple votes (you). I'm doing the opposite of what you're accusing me of, by moving someone closer to lynch thus forcing people to be more active and talkative. This should also answer anything concerning my unvote revote.

The only qualms I currently have with Remi are these quotes:

I wasn't the only one who did that.

Why vote me for not being creative by picking a touhou character and not even mention Youmu at all?

Looks like a "Why me and not X."

##Unvote

Reg's 76 is just the silliest post I've seen so far. Walking in without saying much at all. Your [ur=http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10467.msg692644.html#msg692644]follow up[/url] isn't much convincing, since you didn't give so much as a clue that that's what your post was doing. Saying everything is silly is just an easy way to throw out something and saying it's an opinion. Other than that initial post, you're looking alright though.

Bogmire, however, is just.... I just found out what was wrong with his post 87!  It's pretty much an exact replicate of Shiba's posts. His next post is just sucking up to Reg. In fact, now he looks like he's just following popular opinion and trying to hide out of site!

##Vote Bogmire

Sid, what happened to everyone else? Why are you focused on me? Did I suddenly turn into a magnet or something?

Cut by 8 people

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh

I didn't change vote from Remilia at my last post because I wanted the "Why me over X" thing to be responded to.

Bog is still waffling!

GOD THIS POST TOOK ME HOURS YOU HAPPY PEOPLE?!

[Kiva-la]

I did a reread to try and solidify my opinions.  Besides Ayumu, I have problems with Remilia and Shiba, and Gardna's vote.  Remilia's case against her is pretty straight forward and I don't feel like rehashing it.

Shiba I'd be willing to put as 2nd scum.  I can't seem to remember her ever giving an opinion on Ayumu of her own.

I do agree that Ayumu's initial vote on Remilia is a null tell, but I think the main point against him right now is his lack of content since then aside from a few weak snipes.

Meanwhile, I'm staring holes into Bogmire's #87. I didn't know you could pack so many waffles and weak asides into one post. He'd probably be a secondary or tertiary vote target.

I think Shiba is avoiding the issue by acknowledging both his "lack of content" and "a few weak snipes," yet not determining whether it's scummy or not.  Considering that these are the "main points" against him, it doesn't follow to me that Shiba is willing to declare a small thing like Ayumu's initial vote to be a null tell but go no further than that.  In this regard, Shiba's vote is a vote-park and I applaud Bathory for bringing this up (Would you like a cookie made of virgin's blood?).
So Shiba, what do you think of Aymumu?

Necro's vote is based on a false dicotomy:

Everything about Ayumu, Remillia, etc. has been said.  I don't particularly care for the Remilia case myself since a blank unvote is just a small mistake.  She just seems to have some potential in her Ayumu case, and certainly seems to be trying to play the game.  In comparison, Ayumu, while having a RVS philosophy I totally agree with, doesn't have a case after so many posts, which is the worst offence town can ever commit.  She needs a case on someone.

##Vote: Ayumu

 

Is this a vote based off of lack of cases rather than scumminess?

Cut by Ayumu!  Reading now!