Author Topic: Graveyard Anonymafia - Game Over  (Read 54727 times)

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #480 on: August 19, 2011, 12:11:13 AM »
Hi more rolefishing! If you want an answer so much, no, it's not me. And it makes me burst into laughter because Bathory is horribly scummy, and then trying to vote me (whom I know is town), only to find that she can't. I don't know, maybe it's not very funny to anyone because they aren't me, but I see it and it's just like, nope.avi and AHAH-okay I'll stop now.

>someone you're no longer voting as scum
Hi, I've made it very clear I still very much want Bathory dead. Unfortunately, I only have one vote, so too bad so sad! If town wants more to kill Bathory over you at the end of the day, I will happily switch to her.
Night 2 happened. We got three new flips. I reread the game. I changed my mind. This is a thing that happens! Note how in my first post of D3 my stance on you was "undecided", and then after you posted again I started liking you a little. This wasn't some strange sudden flip of opinion.

I suppose your point about my vote action is pretty valid. Man, it sorta sucks to want to vote two people who are both very possible lynch targets.

By the way, I really don't understand at all how Remi's D1 post was contradictory. She says now she had a strong town read on me D1. Her D1 post says she was leaning town on "everyone else", which includes me. I don't see a contradiction here. Are you being nitpicky that she didn't decide to specifically point me out as being really town among the townish group?

Bog:Youmu isn't worse then Bathory. They're both horrible. One thing worth considering though is that Bathory is utterly horrible and Youmu... well, isn't UTTERLY HORRIBLE, I guess. If we don't lynch Bathory today I'm positive we'll get her lynched tomorrow, I can't say the exact same about Youmu. But really, I don't care much which order we lynch them in, as long as they're lynched. Really really scummy and really scummy are still both scummy and both need to die.

After all this typing, I am completely burnt out on mafia for the present. I can't do any more right now. See you in a few hours or maybe tomorrow. Yes I will be back before deadline even if I'm not back until tomorrow.

I suppose I should keep in mind where my vote is, however, since it IS getting close to deadline and I'll likely be gone for a significant amount of time. Not including my vote, there is 1 on Youmu, and 2 on Bathory (Also 2 on Pamela but Bathory is soooo much worse I don't even). So in the interest of getting a lynch on Bathory or Youmu,

##Unvote ##Vote Elizabeth Bathory

also lol bathory saying Munak (whom has been unanimously declared town until this moment) is scum without providing a slightest ounce of reasoning why other then looking at who's voting who



 
The bolded confirms it.
 
The way people vote is actual a GREAT way to figure out scum, because scum can't deny their votes and it shows their intent.
 
Further, your defense of Munak is noted.
 
Further, I'm scum because Munak is "unanimously town"? Are you mad about losing your ace in the hole scummate with the town read on them? Sorry, I'm here to crush dreams.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #481 on: August 19, 2011, 12:12:46 AM »
And Ghosts reason for why she wants me dead over Pamela is that I'm "So Much Worse".
 
In other words, Pamela is an easy mislynch for her, and I have the scum down.
 
She wants me dead first because I'm a THREAT.
 
Lynch Ghost with Fire.

OOO

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  • TaJaDor
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #482 on: August 19, 2011, 12:17:53 AM »
Master, what do you say we go visit the graveyard?

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Munak likes lady Bathory's blatant misrep.
Munak notes how lady Bathory attempts to make it seem as though Munak's vote was a complete OMGUS.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #483 on: August 19, 2011, 12:20:40 AM »
Master, why walk when we can hop?

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The way people vote is actual a GREAT way to figure out scum, because scum can't deny their votes and it shows their intent.
Munak wonders what intent lady Bathory is searching for, anyway.
Has lady Bathory even been paying ANY attention at all to Munak throughout the ENTIRE game?

OOO

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #484 on: August 19, 2011, 12:24:12 AM »
Hopping is great exercise, isn't it master?

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Munak would like to note that lady Bathory's vote count 「analysis」 had no analysis at all.
Lady Bathory's vote count 「analysis」 was pretty much lady Bathory to giving reads/place suspicion on people with no reasoning whatsoever, whilst trying to make it look as though lady Bathory had some wonderful reasoning for her reads..

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #485 on: August 19, 2011, 12:31:20 AM »
I would like to note Munak's blatant attempts at discrediting me, and trying to deflect my arguments with "lol misrep".

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #486 on: August 19, 2011, 01:34:13 AM »
Bathory is...

wat.

WHAT.


What the hell are you even saying?
 
Pamela and Youmu are NOT viable lynches,  AS THEY ARE BOTH TOWN.
 
Now stop goofing around and get on the Ghost wagon. She's scum.

No more of this. The only players that can know for a fact the alignment of Youmu and Pamela are the players themselves and scum.

If you're going to blanket claim players town, you better have a darn good reason. I don't like how both you and Youmu have pushed "she/he is town, and therefore not scum" posts. It's at best incredibly frustrating and a manner of playing which eliminates players that may yet flip scum from consideration, and at worst scummy. Furthermore, your case on the meanie is:


Youmu Konpaku (3) - Bogmire, Sid Barett, Mean Ghost Girl
Elizabeth Bathory (2) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet
 
Youmu and I are both town. I don't think there are 2 scum on either of these wagons, but there's certainly one on each.
 
Reg Shoe is terribad town, hence Remila scum.
 
Bogmire is TOWNNNNNNNNNN~
and Sid's posting has be town with a few minor flaws.
 
So Ghostgirl is scum.

We are not lynching mean ghost girl because of process of elimination, without any actual case. Much like I asked Youmu, I request that you make a clear case on Mean Ghost Girl that examines her posting history for scummy behavior, and consolidates the reasons you think she is scummy into a single post.

However, I would also be interested in why you think Munak is scum. Frankly, I haven't been getting any scummy vibes from her, and I would be very interested in seeing that case. That's why I have trouble taking Ghost Girl's "defense" of Munak as evidence against Ghost - I don't see the case on Munak.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #487 on: August 19, 2011, 03:25:31 AM »
Welp.

Bathory, Mean Ghost Girl, we have about 18 hours left in the day, so it's about time for the two of you to claim. I'm saying it now because if you get this message in six hours, it'll give town twelve hours to make a decision.

I'm going to say right now that I think Bathory is the worse player; however, I'm having a very hard time deciding if it's scum bad. The head says "scum, KILL WITH FIRE" while the gut says "look again, could be town", if you know what I mean. Whereas for Mean Ghost Girl, I can kind of see where she's coming from today. I'm not saying her actions are "town" per-se, but I can see the townie reasoning behind going after the "cases are bad" players today. If I had to pick right now without the role claims I would probably go for Bathory. Still, the role claims would help immensely in town's, and my own, decision.

Also, Munak, you forgot to bold your vote.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #488 on: August 19, 2011, 03:28:55 AM »
I can call my town reads town all I want thank you~.
 
And I'm not claiming yet. Soz.

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #489 on: August 19, 2011, 03:29:37 AM »
And Bogmire, if you lynch me, when I flip town, I'll be expecting you to sheep your vote to a more competent player. Someone like Youmu. ^-^

DiEnd

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #490 on: August 19, 2011, 03:39:51 AM »
were doin it Youmu were making it hapen \(*^.^*)/

Myon has the bottle RIGHT HERE just in case for the end of the day! Remember, every vote for Not-Meanie is a vote for drunken oblivion! Please, think of the children!

Mean Scum Girl basing her town/scum reads on 'everyone else thinks they're X' is nothing new. Youmu is scum because everyone thinks she's scum! Munak is town because everyone thinks she's town! Would you like to buy the ability to read people like a townie does, Mean Scum Girl?

Bathory, you're confusing me. I think you're doing VCA wrong and Youmu agrees. You can't just take middle of the day votecounts and make assumptions on it, like 'there is only one scum on each wagon' to find all the scum. Especially when Mean Scum Girl an evil dead hasn't flipped yet. We've already said before here why we think Ayumu is town, do you disagree with us? I agree there's something awful about Remilia's 'Mean Ghost Girl is town but getting worse but she's town' post. Munak is somewhere out of left field though. There has to be more scum intent then just wanting you dead.

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #491 on: August 19, 2011, 03:41:55 AM »
were doin it Youmu were making it hapen \(*^.^*)/

Myon has the bottle RIGHT HERE just in case for the end of the day! Remember, every vote for Not-Meanie is a vote for drunken oblivion! Please, think of the children!

Mean Scum Girl basing her town/scum reads on 'everyone else thinks they're X' is nothing new. Youmu is scum because everyone thinks she's scum! Munak is town because everyone thinks she's town! Would you like to buy the ability to read people like a townie does, Mean Scum Girl?

Bathory, you're confusing me. I think you're doing VCA wrong and Youmu agrees. You can't just take middle of the day votecounts and make assumptions on it, like 'there is only one scum on each wagon' to find all the scum. Especially when Mean Scum Girl an evil dead hasn't flipped yet. We've already said before here why we think Ayumu is town, do you disagree with us? I agree there's something awful about Remilia's 'Mean Ghost Girl is town but getting worse but she's town' post. Munak is somewhere out of left field though. There has to be more scum intent then just wanting you dead.

My VCA isn't wrong. It was actually taken in the perfect place. The votes were SO spread out, with no main wagons. there would be no more than 1 scum on a wagon. Combined with my reads going into it, it gave me the third scum.

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #492 on: August 19, 2011, 03:42:09 AM »
Oh, and Ayumu is town.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #493 on: August 19, 2011, 03:46:57 AM »
I can call my town reads town all I want thank you~.
 
And I'm not claiming yet. Soz.

I would appreciate it if you would share the reasons for your town reads. The less town can get into your head the more likely it will lynch you in the next 18 hours, and do so WITHOUT vital information about which players are town, leading to possible future mislynches. This is especially true about Youmu and Pamela, both of which are potential lynches and both of which you have declared town. For their sake and the sake of town, it would probably be best to tell town why you think they are town.

If nothing else, I'd still like to see cases on Mean Ghost Girl and Munak, if it's alright. I'm very interested in your reasoning for thinking Munak is scummy, since I'm not sure anyone else shares that sentiment.

In addition, you are at L-2 (or at least, Munak tried to put you there, we haven't had a recent vote count). Unless there is a specific, role related reason not to tell town your role, it's a good idea to give town a minimum 12 hours to digest your role claim so that it can come to a decision and maybe reach a new, completely different lynch. Since today has become you and Mean Ghost Girl, the additional time would be in town's favor so that if we do believe your claim, we have that much more time to organize a new wagon.

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #494 on: August 19, 2011, 03:49:01 AM »
I don't explain town reads. Doing that is anti-town. Sorry.
 

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #495 on: August 19, 2011, 03:54:35 AM »
I don't explain town reads. Doing that is anti-town. Sorry.
 


*Sigh*

IT'S NOT ANTI-TOWN IF IT SAVES THEM FROM A LYNCH.

Forget it. I care, but I won't get anywhere anyway. Please tell me if you have reasons for suspecting Munak and Mean Ghost Girl besides vote count analysis.

Ouja

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #496 on: August 19, 2011, 03:55:39 AM »
*Sigh*

IT'S NOT ANTI-TOWN IF IT SAVES THEM FROM A LYNCH.

Forget it. I care, but I won't get anywhere anyway. Please tell me if you have reasons for suspecting Munak and Mean Ghost Girl besides vote count analysis.

I have reasons~! I believe I've posted quite a few of them.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #497 on: August 19, 2011, 03:58:27 AM »

I have reasons~! I believe I've posted quite a few of them.

Refresh my memory.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #498 on: August 19, 2011, 04:01:18 AM »
Perhaps. Youmu is of the VCA school that you can only do solid VCA with a flipped scum, something we're sorely lacking right now. At this point I don't think it's unreasonable to look more into Remilia and Munak. This is kind of exactly what I expect out of Munak.

We do think it's better to stop the wild goose chase for town reads though. It's better to come to your own conclusions about that.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 2
« Reply #499 on: August 19, 2011, 04:40:35 AM »
Elizabeth Bathory (4) - Reg Shoe, Remilia Scarlet, Mean Ghost Girl, Munak
Mean Ghost Girl (4) - Youmu Konpaku, Elizabeth Bathory, Kukaku Shiba, Sid Barett, Ayumu Aikawa
Sid Barett (1) - Pamela Ibis
Youmu Konpaku (1) - Bogmire

Not voting: None!

You have 17 hours left in the day. With 11 votes active, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2011, 04:45:56 AM by huh what »

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #500 on: August 19, 2011, 04:43:18 AM »
Huh What - You have Munak voting twice. Is that a mistake?

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #501 on: August 19, 2011, 04:46:15 AM »
I forgot to remove Pamela's wagon from the votecount. Yes, it was a mistake.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #502 on: August 19, 2011, 06:43:20 AM »
As you guys should know, I have been sick lately. So I haven't been keeping up to scratch as well as most of you. I'm a bit better now though.
First of all, I too think MGG and Bathory should claim very soon. But one question first (directed at everyone).

If Bathory's vote hadn't been blocked, do you think MGG would've been hammered already?

Also, someone (can't remember who) mentioned MGG avoiding wagons, how exactly was she avoiding them? Was it with her votes or her posts?

Kabuto

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #503 on: August 19, 2011, 06:53:35 AM »
Vote: Mean Ghost Girl

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #504 on: August 19, 2011, 06:56:00 AM »
I take it that Kukaku thinks so.
If not, follow your next post with an unvote.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #505 on: August 19, 2011, 06:57:32 AM »
Wait, vote me instead of an unvote if you think not.

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #506 on: August 19, 2011, 07:50:10 AM »
If you hadn't noticed, Kukaku never unvoted her, meaning his vote has been on Mean Scum Girl the entire time. I'm not an expert in ghostology, but we can infer that voting for someone means he thinks they're evil dead. Let's not talk about Kukaku though. What do -YOU- think? And no, I imagine people would be very upset if Mean Scum Girl were hammered with so many hours remaining in the day, it's a silly question and hardly important.

Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #507 on: August 19, 2011, 08:06:55 AM »
I think she would stay at L-1 till she claimed, and if people thought it was bad enough then we would've hammered.

Also, can you answer this Youmu?
Also, someone (can't remember who) mentioned MGG avoiding wagons, how exactly was she avoiding them? Was it with her votes or her posts?

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #508 on: August 19, 2011, 08:42:14 AM »
You can only avoid a wagon with your votes. It's not hard for you to go look back over Meanie's voting history to see what I mean.

Den-O

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Re: Graveyard Anonymafia - Day 3
« Reply #509 on: August 19, 2011, 09:01:40 AM »
Should I quote my role pm while I'm at it?
it's been forever since anyone had to make screenshotting illegal, I'm not stupid enough to start that up again.

It either you show us something that's hard to (but not impossible) to fake or we simply have to lynch you for the information. I haven't been finding you outright scummy like Elizabeth, so I'd rather lynch people for being scum than for information at this point.

Considering Mean Scum Girl has been tunneling on her since Day 1 and started today making a wagon on her, I highly doubt they could be conjoined scum zombie twins. That would require some kind of insane superbussing instinct the likes of which only potatos can dream.

I don't think superbussing is a worthwhile gambit. But I have to admit that Affinity has shown it to work tremendously well. The last game that Elizabeth was scum in had her go the superbussing route. I take this into account when rereading her interactions, hence I won't rule out Mean Ghost being a possible buddy.

I can't see Elizabeth's posts for how devoid of content they are. Just about everything is something I can figure out on my own with a reread. Same as before, zero explanation and zero backing with sense instead of vitriol. As for me being wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong when Elizabeth flips town or someone can put out a provable claim of the same.

Can't answer that.

@mod: Why not? Just give us a definite answer of yes or no. Obvscum mod.

I would like to note Munak's blatant attempts at discrediting me, and trying to deflect my arguments with "lol misrep".

Why are you trying to discredit legitimate facts? You've posted nothing and you get called for it. That happens to be the scumhunting you haven't done at all.

Myon has the bottle RIGHT HERE just in case for the end of the day! Remember, every vote for Not-Meanie is a vote for drunken oblivion! Please, think of the children!

Why is Elizabeth not worth lynching today?

I don't explain town reads. Doing that is anti-town. Sorry.

Surely you can explain why Munak is scum even if you don't want to make your buddies more obvious.

Mean Ghost has been very forgettable to me all along. The recent interest in her prompts a reread.

Ayumu is still likely town, but we'll see how her new player does. Ditto for Bogmire, except that he's more likely scum.  Remi is still derptown. Sid I'm still a bit undecided about. And Bathory is still totally scum. I guess Munak is town, but my brain just doesn't work on her posting style.

I forget if I ever asked you to explain these. Do so now. The lack of Youmu being mentioned suggests that jump leeway Sid called out. If there's scum between Mean Ghost, Elizabeth and Youmu, this reads to me as the startup to a big gambit.

Count was so town and no one suspected him as scum (Unless my memory fails me). Necro was suspected, highly wanted dead by many, and very nearly was the lynch. Which one makes complete sense as a scum nightkill and no sense as a vig, and which one makes complete sense as a vig and no sense as a scum nightkill?

I could go more indepth and cover situations where they might be an SK but there's not really much point and it still leads to about the same conclusion. Necro -could- sorta make sense if scum knew he was a doc, but given how much suspicion there was... plus that means Count would need to be an SK kill and that n1 one of the kills was doc'd and dear god there's no reason to go into these theories so I'm just gonna stop now >_>;

Requoting this because I can't get over how waffle this post is. My reread is biasing it as scummy waffle now.

Mean Ghost's vote switch to Youmu brought Elizabeth's wagon to equal Youmu's. This move makes me believe in bussing going on even more. The three of them have become very interesting and I wouldn't be surprised if there were two scum in there. Ayumu's vote takes Mean Ghost ahead. Mean Ghost's  vote on Youmu leaves the wagons at 2 apiece for Elizabeth and Youmu. So her switch back to Elizabeth is her only move to try get another equalizer and save herself.

Mean Ghost's leadup to voting Youmu didn't feel genuine. The posts said suspicious, not scummy. This late in the game, the vote reason looked more like a prod than anything else. The wording variance indicates to me how strongly you believe in your case. In Mean Ghost's case, not very much. The Elizabeth switch doesn't have the intent to lynch scum, but to comply with town needing a lynch. While I will appreciate getting an Elizabeth lynch, Mean Ghost's support for it means nothing to me.

Sid's catch on Mean Ghost's post where she leaves herself an out is a nice one I agree with. Ayumu's case is solid too. A Mean Ghost lynch entertains my theory of a bussing play. I will need a separate reread to think about Youmu's vote but I doubt I can post it before a lynch will happen.

Pamela and Bogmire need to come in and pick a side. L-1 is not scary and is what Bogmire should have done if he wants a claim.