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HOLY SHIT IT ACTUALLY STARTED
*ahem*
Still searching for Time Travellers, Aliens, Espers, and Sliders (Bold is confirmed):
3. Kefit
11. Roukanken
12. Zakeri
Given up on saving the world by overloading it with fun:
2. Nietz, Present Mikuru, Townie Neighborizer, Lynched D1
4. Kilgamayan, Future Mikuru, Townie Time Traveller, Shot N1
5. Pesco, Kyon, Mafia Goon, Lynched D2
8. Bardiche, Koizumi Itsuki, Townie Roleblocker, Knifed N2
10. Sakana, The Student Council President, Townie One Shot Governor, Erased D3
6. MakaiSouvenirBooth, Asakura Ryoko, Mafia One Shot Vig, Lynched D3
9. huh what, Suyoh Kuyo, Townie Modified Doctor, Shot N3
1. Jam, Kyoko Tachibana, Townie Disabler, Lynched D4
7. Edible, Suzumiya Haruhi, Townie Dreaming God, Shot N4
Pissed off Haruhi:
0. (And there better not be anyone here)
GAME STATE: NIGHT FOUR, FINAL THREE! IT'S DOWN TO THE WIRE!
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The rules. Stolen loosely from Tahalindur.
1) I am the mod thy goddess, and whatever I say is law. If you make a mistake voting, tell me so I can correct the vote count.
2) Don't have fun at the expense of the other players in this game (in other words, don't be a jackass). Repeated or extreme violations of this rule will result in Pissing off Haruhi.
CHANGED: 2a) Attempting to use loopholes in the rules to gain an advantage in the game is considered jackassery, and will be treated as such. This applies to things like encrypted codes, invisible text, editing and deleting posts, etc. Please, use your common sense!
NEW: 2b) If there is any question about whether something might break the rules, it's probably best if you don't do it or at least ask first.
2c) If you Piss off Haruhi, it will be up to my discretion whether Day ends or not, as well as if you personally lose.
3) Rule 3 was more than three years ago.
4) You vote for someone to die like this: Vote: UncertainKitten. You unvote by saying Unvote. Unvoting is required to cast a new vote.
4a) Anyone or anything that reaches lynch count will be lynched, regardless of whether they are actually in the game or not.
5) Days have a deadline of 72 hours. A deadline extension of 24 hours may be granted by a majority vote once per day.
5a) If no one has reached majority by deadline, the person with the most votes will be lynched. If there is a tie, each player in the tie will send me a haiku. Whichever player sends the least amusing haiku will be lynched.
6) Nights will last between 24 and 48 hours.
7) If someone has a night action and fails to send it in before night ends, they will take a randomized night action.
8) No outside talking about the game, unless your role PM says so. This includes talking to any players after you die, or talking to dead players while you are alive. (added since Umineko Mafia)
9) Be respectful to the other players and have fun.
Or I'll kill you
In Real Life
Seriously.
10) Dying means you can't post in the thread anymore. So does Pissing off Haruhi. You can, however, make one post after you die as long as it doesn't contain any game related information. This would be your "Bah" post.
11) You are, however, not dead until I say so. You also haven't Given up on saving the world by overloading it with fun or Pissed off Haruhi until I say so.
12) Not gonna prod anyone this game. If you spend an entire day phase without a single post, you will be replaced, unless you have a damned good reason to have not posted. If I can't find a replacement in the day phase after the one you were replaced, your player slot will have Pissed off Haruhi (modkill).
13) Twilight posting is alright. Until I lock the thread you can discuss anything.
14) Spoiler'd Gold is my color. Don't use it.
15) If 3 no lynch/no kill cycles occur, Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies. No one will win.
16) I reserve the right to add rules if necessary, or just because I felt like it. Deal.
17) Quoting your role PM is NOT allowed this game. Don't try to use the role PM templating to gain an advantage either.
18) If there is a conflict between the rules and a role, the role wins.
ADDED:
19) For the duration of Day one, instead of a normal lynch, you will elect a king. That player will choose who will die for the day's lynch. Vote as normal, majority elects a king. For this, deadline will be extended by 24 hours.
20) Players may not unvote until further notice!
21) Players must post a relevant TV Trope in one of their posts during the game day or face a penalty!
22) All rules under the "added" heading have been erased.
Sample Vanilla Townie PM (under construction):
"Generic Flavor"
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, PLAYERNAME. You are Kunakida, Vanilla Sample Townie. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilties:
You have no active abilities
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"Wow...Amazing. Eight more people showed up to join the SOS Brigade!? Yare Yare...this can't be good..."
"Cheer up! We know most of them are capable of being of at least SOME help to the SOS Brigade, right!?"
"I...suppose. But still..."
"Ah, whatever! Tell you what! We'll just randomly get rid of people til we have a true core of people who can make the SOS Brigade work!"
"Um...I guess that'd work...seems like a pain"
"It won't be! Oh yeah, we can be eliminated as well! Consider this a chance to prove your worth!"
"nn! A-are you serious!?"
"YEP!"
Ok, confirmation phase begins
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Yes, you may post now.
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*Beloep*
Aw, that was supposed to be posted before the rules post actually went up :P o well.
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In before existence.
Not an Edit: Dammit.
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fucking
i never fucking get the first confirmation here dsfsdgtaey46ye4y6te
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/Confirmed
~You will let us know if you add rules riiiight?
Yep, but probably as a mod note in a vote count
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[quot]9) Be respectful to the other players and have fun.
Or I'll kill you
In Real Life
Seriously.[/quote]
I'm trying not to see the irony in this. :V
Confirmed.
Thatsthejoke.jpg
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Confirmed.
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Confirmed like what.
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Confirming
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Damn, I was hoping you would hold this off for another few days. I'm confirmed, but I'm not going to be doing all that much until I'm done with exams at the end of the week.
Long as you can post once per day phase it's cool
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D:
I have spring break now so I'd actually be around whereas schedule varies greatly when school starts back up next week.
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Have fun players!
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Confirmed
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Confirmed
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Yup, confirmed.
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Bardiche hasn't been online in a week - can someone who knows him out of game let him know he's wanted?
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I'll keep an eye out for him on IRC.
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Ususally I'd start the game now but given Bardiche's circumstances it'd probably be best to wait to see if he's reachable. If he isn't reached by Thursday, I'll (somehow) find a replacement. I think umu can play now, fortunately.
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I'm sorry, I was busy being FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABULOUS, so I had some delays in confirmation. However, I am fully confirmed, I think, or at least I am confidently confirmed in the confirmed state of confirmation, that I can at least confirm I'll be able to confirm.
Whether I can confirm that I am confirmed is something I'll have to confirm.
(subliminal message here is: confirmed)
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All players confirmed, please wait warmly as D1 starts...In about 3 hours.
Also, this game has been bofh (Alice) rated as a 5/10 on the bastard scale :)) :)) :)) :)) :)). Enjoy ^-^
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Vote Zak
Paging Se?or Derp. Day hasn't started yet!
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So is the double octothorpe system not necessary, then?
It'd be nice, and I'll accept votes formatted like that but, no, not really. I'm a big girl. I can count votes without something silly like that
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"Wait, we have to produce ANOTHER literary journal? That student council president bastard got one like, a month ago!"
"Who cares! We did it once and we can do it again! SOS Brigade GO~!"
"...Yare Yare...well, we need better direction for this project than last time...let's elect a leader to determine who we need to work on this thing...and more importantly who doesn't need to be on the project..."
"Aren't I a good enough leader!?"
"...No."
RULE 19 ADDED! DEADLINE EXTENDED BY 24 HOURS! GUNDAM FIGHT ALL SET! READY! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!
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The Zeroth "Start of Day One KINGMAKER" Vote Count
"Yare Yare"
Mod Note: And thus begins the clusterfuck ^-^
Please Note that Rule 19 has been added
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (0)
3. Kefit (0)
4. Kilgamayan (0)
5. Pesco (Fuck your moonspeak)(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (12): Jam, Nietz, Kefit, Kilgamayan, Pesco, MSB, Edible, Bardiche, huh what, Sakana, Roukanken, Zakeri
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in 96 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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##Vote: Sakana
Welcome to Mafia!
Just to be clear, you ARE aware you are voting him to select the lynch for the day, right?
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Oh wait rule change.
##Unvote: Sakana
##Vote: Kefit
Seems uncouth to nominate myself, and he's far and away the top not-me opinion from my standpoint.
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Just to be clear, you ARE aware you are voting him to select the lynch for the day, right?
Nerts to your rules, woman, I needed to be first.
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Hahaha.
##Zakeri For PresidentDanchou
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The First "Bouken Desho Desho" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vTqv8naUdY) Vote Count
"That's Classified Information"
Mod Note: Whee, Page 2 VC.
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (0)
3. Kefit (1): Kilgamayan,
4. Kilgamayan (0)
5. Pesco (Fuck your moonspeak)(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (1): Edible
Not Voting (10): Jam, Nietz, Kefit, Pesco, MSB, Bardiche, huh what, Sakana, Roukanken, Zakeri
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in 96 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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I was busy being FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABULOUS
ZOMG, the game hadn't even started and he was already softclaiming Itsuki!
##Vot... no, wait...
It'd be nice, and I'll accept votes formatted like that but, no, not really. I'm a big girl. I can count votes without something silly like that
Even if you can count, the double octothorpes make it easier to just Ctrl+F through the thread to confirm your count. Just a mod tip.
As I said, I'm a big girl and can count votes without something silly like that. I'm well aware what the double octothorpe is for. I just opt not to use it and I rarely have votecount errors. Generally because I keep a running vote count from the last post I saw and just post it on every page.
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Hey now, you're implying I have to be Itsuki just to be fabulous. Maybe I am a naturally fabulous man, or I was just fawning over another fabulous man (http://keikakudoori.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sch.jpg), which is fabulous in and of itself.
I refuse to be ele--wait, being fabulous gets me the king price? Rad.
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So we need to pick a leader for the SOS-dan, right? And then that leader gets to kick one of us out. Hmm...
So how're we going to approach this? Elect a leader and have him/her pick at their discretion, or sit together, decide who must die, and then elect the man (or woman) to bear the burden of the eviction?
Just the leader of the literature club project. At any rate it's only for D1
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I think it's in our best interests to try to figure out who we want to lynch before we elect a representative for sure.
That way, the rep will have to go with that option [or they'll be obv scum] so it'll be just like regular lynch anyway.
Of course we should still choose the most trustworthy person to bear the burden...
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I want to see what sort of derptastic posting Rou makes before I elect him.
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Wow, this is about as sadistic as Day 1 openings get.
I say we loophole the system for a while, and run the game out as normal with 'fake' votes (Using something like ##Evict with a player-kept vote tally). Then in the last 24 hours or so, everyone decides who they want to see lynched and piles on whoever made the biggest case against who they think is scum. In other words, how Mai-Hime SHOULD have gone but didn't.
So, on that basis, I still say we have an RVS.
##Evict: Kilga
Because there's, like, a new tengu going around. Aya is, like, sooo last season.\
New Rule! If it's in bold I coun-
/me is shot
Ok ok, fine, have your little double octothorpe fakevotes :P
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Sounds good to me.
##Evict: Sakana
Welcome to Mafia!
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##Yuyuko doll Kilga
##Evict Purvis
Pay yer rent! >=[
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If somebody is about to be elected, shouldn't we also force them to state who they intend to lynch before actually electing them? Just in case it's not obvious who they'd lynch if elected or something.
So, uh, random votes you say...
##Evict: Sakana
I don't like the way you're waving around that fish. You could hurt somebody with that thing.
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The idea behind the Evict votes is that whoever we elect should lynch whoever gets Evicted.
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Oh. I misunderstood his post somewhat. In this case, sounds pretty reasonable.
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Oh hell, what a start. I agree with the 'Evict, then elect' idea.
Welcome to Mafia!
I accept your greeting and would like to return it, but the RNG decided otherwise, so:
##Evict: Kefit
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I'm not counting these "evict" votes, by the way. You are totally on your own for that noise
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OMGUS, VOTE: EDI-
wait, what?
Umm, okay then. ##Evict Roukanken for making sense in the first post of a mafia game.
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##EVICT: Zakeri
Voting someone for MAKING SENSE? Only SCUM would do that.
PROTIP: I'm serious. :V I hate jokevotes, let's get this show on the road, "making sense" is a terrible argument even if it's a jokevote.
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We have entered an endless recursion of votes.
YUKI.N>Remember to count the votes, Kyon.
That's not what I want to hear, missy!
>>>EVICTION VOTECOUNT:
Kilgamayan (1); Roukanken
Sakana (2); Kilgamayan, huh what
Purvis (1); Random Japanese Characters
Kefit (1); Sakana
Roukanken (1); Zakeri
Zakeri (1); Bardiche
With -- wait, does it matter how many are alive? Majority counts either way!
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I'm not sure if it even matters at this point, but was that a softclaim? Or are you just goofing around?
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I'm not sure if it even matters at this point, but was that a softclaim? Or are you just goofing around?
Would it even matter? Unless UK linked abilities to characters or something, of course.
And Bard: Your cunt is wrong, because Purvis is not even in the game. :V
I think Pesco was evicting Kilga.
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EBWOP: Oh god, that was supposed to mean 'count'... horrible typo >_<
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Unless you want me to simultaneously softclaim Kyon, Itsuki AND Yuki, then it's just me goofing around.
Grrrr alt names maybe someone familiar with everyone's nicknames should count evictions.
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Whenever that smile appears, I know something terrible is going to happen.
"Kyon, I've got a great idea!"
I sincerely doubt it, missy.
"Let's kick people out of the club!"
... This is where I want to nod and say, "Let's do that, Haruhi", but something tells me this idea will be terrible.
>>>EVICTION VOTECOUNT:
Kilgamayan (2); Roukanken, Pesco
Sakana (2); Kilgamayan, huh what
Kefit (1); Sakana
Roukanken (1); Zakeri
Zakeri (1); Bardiche
:V
Nah, Pesco voted Purvis to be evicted. And one of my rules states that ANYTHING or ANYONE can be lynched. Pay attention :P[/spoiler
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Your cunt is wrong again :V
I'm evicting Purvis for not paying rent.
So is that a serious serious vote-for-lynching on Zak?
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... I'll just count evictions and put down who you put after the ##EVICT:. :(
It is my most serious of serious votes, serious sirrah, I wouldn't take eviction as a joke and clearly "OMG HE MADE SENSE" is terrible justification for any type of vote, whether it be joke or for srs bsns.
This is the way I have no regrets.
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Unless you want me to simultaneously softclaim Kyon, Itsuki AND Yuki, then it's just me goofing around.
Oh, I see.
##Evict Bardiche
"OKAY EVERYBODY JOKE VOTE PHASE OVER SRSBNS TIME"
(one post later)
"<comedy>"
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I CAN'T THROW COMEDY INTO A VOTECOUNT?
Blasphemy!
(Don't we distinguish between MAFIA ACTION POST and JUST TRYING TO BE A FRIENDLY EVICTION VOTECOUNTER POST anymore? This world leaves me in despair!)
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You guys aren't making mindhax-friendly posts :ohdear:
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##Evict: Jam
Sup Jam. I like how you repeated what Rou said and then stated the obvious. How about you vote evict someone?
Pesco: :suwakodwi:
Bard: This is srs bns mafier.
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##Evict: Jam
Sup Jam. I like how you repeated what Rou said and then stated the obvious. How about you vote evict someone?
What? Jam posted before Rou.
And speaking of "what".
##Evict huh what, for actually doing what MSB accused Jam of.
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derp I'm a retard
##Unevict
Nietz: I voted Jam for not saying anything of use (but she actually did, so I'm a moron) and not "voting"(which she "couldn't" at the time). huh what didn't do that.
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You guys aren't making mindhax-friendly posts :ohdear:
Sorry, Bro. I'll try harder next time.
"making sense" is a terrible argument even if it's a jokevote.
Are you sure? Not even if one argued that the person making sense was merely trying to take control of the game in what would cause others to subconsciously think said person was town in an artificial movement?
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derp I'm a retard
You are 2-(Methylseleninyl)benzanilide
##Evict Edible
For the same reasons that I believe you are evicting Bard for. If you guys don't get it, learn to read.
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1. Kilgamayan: Rou
2. Sakana: Kilgamayan, Huh what
1. Kefit: Sakana
1. Roukanken: Zakeri
1. Zakeri: Bardiche
1. Bardiche: Edible
1. Huh what: Neitz
1. Edible: Pesco
Special Thanks to Neitz for breaking the pattern. :X
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For the same reasons that I believe you are evicting Bard for. If you guys don't get it, learn to read.
Can you explain this? I'm on Bard because he went from "everyone, let's be serious" to "everyone, let's be silly" in one post.
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I think you voted him to see who else would jump on.
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##Unevict: Sakana
##Evict: Edible
Sure, why not. Attacking Bard for having fun with flavor is good enough for an ED1 case.
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Just posting to add that I Understand and have no problems with the reasons for voting Edible at this point.
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Are you sure? Not even if one argued that the person making sense was merely trying to take control of the game in what would cause others to subconsciously think said person was town in an artificial movement?
This suggestion Rou made is dropdead obvious and I think if Rou hadn't suggested it, someone else would─also town wants to look like town almost as much if not just as much as scum does, so it's a null tell at best.
Also Can you explain this? I'm on Bard because he went from "everyone, let's be serious" to "everyone, let's be silly" in one post.
Really? I remember saying, "Let's not jokevote and make serious votes", then voting on someone I thought had a crappy reason for voting Roukanken whether it was a joke or serious vote, then proceeded to lollygag a little by making a votecount and keeping it Haruhi themed by citing lines from the novels, paraphrased a little.
Where did I tell people to continue jokevoting in that, and why do you insist that me saying "People, don't jokevote" implies that I think people aren't allowed to mess about? I don't care about people joking, I just want the votes to be serious and not for jokes, specifically because after deciding our eviction target, we also need to elect a King, and this process shouldn't be drawn out with jokevoting phase first.
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and why do you insist that me saying "People, don't jokevote" implies that I think people aren't allowed to mess about?
Because when one person starts srsbnsing votes, the joke vote stage ends for everyone. Nature of the game.
I do agree that we should probably elect a King first and worry about who they should kill throughout the rest of the day, though. Should help to alleviate deadline issues.
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How are we supposed to decide on someone for king without some stances first? Deciding the lynch will give us the proper raw data, the alignment of the king can be better judged relatively from all the reactions over the day. Ultimately the king is someone that is not up for being lynched but they'd still have to be accountable for the final kill action.
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Because we can have the King cede his/her killing authority to a majority vote - UK didn't specify how the King determines the lynch, only that they determine it. And they're not unable to kill themselves, as far as I'm aware.
This gives us more leeway to determine and enact a lynch.
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Edible if you thought we should pick a King first why didn't you say so instead of jumping on Bard? Bard really didn't do anything overly wrong. He kind of contradicted himself just a bit, but he has a good point in saying that we shouldn't waste time joke voting. A bit of joking around [especially when it fits the flavor] thrown in the vote count has nothing to do with the voting itself. If you just said above that we should try to be avoiding deadline issues why not mention your thoughts on electing a King first earlier? That would have save more time if that's what you're really thinking.
#Evict Edible
Count is:
Bard - 1
Edible - 3
Huh what - 1
Kilga - 1
Kefit - 1
Sakana - 1
Zakeri - 1
If I'm not mistaken. [sorry for not having who voted for who]
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Edible if you thought we should pick a King first why didn't you say so instead of jumping on Bard?
I didn't consider my stance on kings-first until after Bard brought it up, which was after I voted him for reasons previously stated.
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derp I'm a retard
##Unevict
Nietz: I voted Jam for not saying anything of use (but she actually did, so I'm a moron) and not "voting"(which she "couldn't" at the time). huh what didn't do that.
"What!?" again, this is nothing like the reasoning you first gave, it sounds like you're just making stuff up.
##Unevict
##Evict Sodium/MSB
I gave you the benefit of doubt before because you could've just mixed up the order of posts, but now it sounds like you were trying to find any reason to vote someone and tried to backpedal when you messed up.
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The Second "SOS Nara Daijobu KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DPRUD1mMvo) Vote Count
"That's Classified Information"
Mod Note: Lol vote count didn't change.
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (0)
3. Kefit (1): Kilgamayan
4. Kilgamayan (0)
5. Pesco (0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (1): Edible
Not Voting (10): Jam, Nietz, Kefit, Pesco, MSB, Bardiche, huh what, Sakana, Roukanken, Zakeri
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~77 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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Just posting to add that I Understand and have no problems with the reasons for voting Edible at this point.
'Sup guys, just throwing in that I totally approve of this lynch which I'm not taking part in.'
##Unevict; Evict: Zakeri
Really the matter of who gets King is pretty much pointless if Town's already come to a majority agreement over who should be lynched. If they decide to turn away and kill whoever THEY want to, they're pretty much obvscum and they're dead meat D2.
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Really the matter of who gets King is pretty much pointless if Town's already come to a majority agreement over who should be lynched. If they decide to turn away and kill whoever THEY want to, they're pretty much obvscum and they're dead meat D2.
Or they could be like, 'Mason-buddies lol :V'. Just saying.
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Or they could be like, 'Mason-buddies lol :V'. Just saying.
What are the odds people would believe a claim that convenient? >_>
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What are the odds people would believe a claim that convenient? >_>
:alice-claims-doctor:
Goddammit how did you figure out Alice was the secret non player doctor!?
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I agree that there's no reason for a King to vote to lynch anyone other than whoever we vote to lynch.
No claiming or anything would probably change anyone's mind about lynching them if they were to somehow go against what we had decided unless they somehow indicated it beforehand [in which case we'd have to be damn trusting to let them go their own way]
Count for Evict votes is:
Bard - 1
Edible - 3
Kefit - 1
Sakana - 1
Sodium - 1
Zakeri - 2
If I'm not wrong...
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Scum fakeclaiming masons would be suicidal. Who knows what powers lurk in this game that could be used to call bullshit on them?
If whoever gets elected wants to claim masons with whoever they're supposed to kill, I say let 'em, on the condition that they state whether or not their alignments are confirmed to each other. (Obviously don't do this if you're town and not a mason.)
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also town wants to look like town almost as much if not just as much as scum does
You give us way too much credit.
'Sup guys, just throwing in that I totally approve of this lynch which I'm not taking part in.'
I'm also not allowed to change my mind, or have more than one target in mind for any reason, and must always quantify anything I find suspicion with a bolded, double-octothorpes "Please kill this person today" request.
...Then again, I could have worded the offending sentence better if I had cared enough about looking town.
Anyway, Edible! Can I ask why you want to know more (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg285884#msg285884)*47 about Bard's role?
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Because someone possibly claiming early D1 usually has some sort of reason behind it, else it's immensely stupid.
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Because when one person starts srsbnsing votes, the joke vote stage ends for everyone. Nature of the game.
I do agree that we should probably elect a King first and worry about who they should kill throughout the rest of the day, though. Should help to alleviate deadline issues.
Mess about != Jokevoting, but others went over this. I had fun with the votecount, I apologise if that makes you think it's a good reason to lynch.
You give us way too much credit.
You mean town? That town doesn't want to look as town? Or do you mean I give scum too much credit? :V :ohdear: ???
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I'm also not allowed to change my mind, or have more than one target in mind for any reason, and must always quantify anything I find suspicion with a bolded, double-octothorpes "Please kill this person today" request.
To be honest, though, it seems pretty odd to make a post just to announce you agree with the reasons for voting somebody when you're not even voting for that person. I'm not saying agreeing is bad, the post just seemed kind of needless unless you were trying to draw attention to yourself.
...Then again, I could have worded the offending sentence better if I had cared enough about looking town.
Could you maybe reword it? I'm still confused what you were trying get across beyond "oh i agree".
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Bard: I mean that looking like a townie is, in practice, the furthest thing from the mind of an actual townie. Especially since it's one of those things you'd think would come naturally from being a townie in the first place.
Could you maybe reword it? I'm still confused what you were trying get across beyond "oh i agree".
Well I agreed with everyone because I looked back and saw some good reasons to put edible in a spot. I can understand "Edible made a dumb vote" Being used as a reason this early in the game, even though my real reason was "Edible doing some role fishing". It seems like I'm the only one who picked up the last one, though.
I personally like the case on Edible, since both of those counts are scummy~
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Sup Jam. I like how you repeated what Rou said and then stated the obvious. How about you vote evict someone?
Nietz: I voted Jam for not saying anything of use (but she actually did, so I'm a moron) and not "voting"(which she "couldn't" at the time).
Repeating someoneelse & stating the obvious = not saying anything of use
how about you evict someone? = "not voting"
And huh what didn't do any of these, so I was wondering why you were evicting him.
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So, where's Sakana?
Zakeri: Rou is scummier than Edible to you, right? if so, why? It just seems like you have better reasons to vote Edible from what you've said.
huh what: Are you going to just keep your random vote? Also, what are your opinions?
Whelp, I don't have much to add to what's been said. Can't concentrate tonight anyways. =|
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Currently buried beneath a million pounds of school, let's see if I can come up with anything useful.
I agree that picking a kind is second priority to picking an eviction - provided that we can actually pick an eviction!. People talked about setting up duels in himelander, yet we were often left with pluralities. The scattered eviction voting so far doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that this game will be any different. If we end up with pluralities - especially with multiple pluralities - then the choice of king might become quite important indeed.
I say we loophole the system for a while, and run the game out as normal with 'fake' votes (Using something like ##Evict with a player-kept vote tally). Then in the last 24 hours or so, everyone decides who they want to see lynched and piles on whoever made the biggest case against who they think is scum. In other words, how Mai-Hime SHOULD have gone but didn't.
Dogpiles seem like the perfect way for scum to hide less than well reasoned votes. Seeing as this is day one, and I don't have much time, this is scummy enough to get my vote.
##Evict Rou
Furthermore, I know I'm town, and I'm far more uncouth than Kilga, and I also recognize the advantage of picking a king simultaneously with picking an eviction, so:
Vote Kefit
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Well I agreed with everyone because I looked back and saw some good reasons to put edible in a spot. I can understand "Edible made a dumb vote" Being used as a reason this early in the game, even though my real reason was "Edible doing some role fishing". It seems like I'm the only one who picked up the last one, though.
I personally like the case on Edible, since both of those counts are scummy~
Then, uh, why didn't you point it out in your original post of "Yeah Edible makes sense I guess"? Did you only realize it after the post or something? Because if so that's not what it sounds like from what you just said.
And in this case, why are you voting Roukanken? Your reason to vote him was for making the first serious post (...which honestly doesn't make much sense to me either, if he hadn't made a serious post about the day's conditions then somebody else would have instead eventually, would that make them be suspicious instead for being the first to get to it?) yet you continue voting him even though you seem to have more reason to vote Edible (you even implied that you changed your opinion). Is there something you didn't mention about Roukanken after saying you found him suspicious, too? To be honest a lot of the things you've saying so far don't add up with each other very well.
@ Sodium: Hurrrr. Maybe I should.
## Unvote
Opinions on the reasons for voting Edible or just in general?
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## Unevict, not Unvote. I'm dumb.
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EBWOP the second. I just realized Zakeri evicted Rou for making sense in his first post, not for making the first serious post. I'm even dumber.
It still seems kind of shaky to me, though.
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...Then again, I could have worded the offending sentence better if I had cared enough about looking town.
Which, well, Townies do care about, because if they don't they know they're likely to invoke a mislynch (i.e. themselves). Admittedly they want to hunt as well, but last I checked throwing out an 'I agree' does not qualify as hunting.
I can understand "Edible made a dumb vote" Being used as a reason this early in the game, even though my real reason was "Edible doing some role fishing". It seems like I'm the only one who picked up the last one, though.
Conveniently, this reason only emerged AFTER you were called out for blindly agreeing. T_T
And again, you're very keen to explain why you think Edible is scummy, and yet your evict vote is still on me for 'making sense' in my first post. Why?
Kefit: I agree that picking a kind is second priority to picking an eviction - provided that we can actually pick an eviction!. People talked about setting up duels in himelander, yet we were often left with pluralities. The scattered eviction voting so far doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that this game will be any different. If we end up with pluralities - especially with multiple pluralities - then the choice of king might become quite important indeed.
This sounds awfully like how day 1 is supposed to go. People make choices and get held responsible for them later in the game. It starts off chaotic and all over the place but as the day goes on two or three cases take centre stage. Right now, we aren't treating the game like we're treated Himelander - the intention is to treat is as a normal game of Mafia until a favourite suspect emerges, and we then get the King to eliminate them.
And again, it doesn't really matter who's king, because we're basically just working our way around a mod rule that asks us to give absolute power to one player on Day 1 when we know absolutely nothing.
So, where's Sakana?
He's probably asleep by now (loltimezones) so it's kinda unfair to hold him to not posting when he isn't here. :V
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EBWOP: Gah typos all over the place. This is what happens when I have some sort of panic attack at 3am in the morning, can't get back to sleep and then decide to post in Mafia.
treating the game like we treated Himelander
treat it as a normal game of Mafia
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Okay, uh, now that I think it over some more, I'm going to
##Evict: Zakeri
until he hands out an explanation for everything he's done so far that seems questionable (keeping his vote on Roukanken after he said he changed his mind in favor of Edible, making an "oh i agree post" which he later claimed it was also because of rolefishing that he never even mentioned until then). Plus I've already made a post about why I find him to be confusing so far, and aside from that, voting somebody for "making sense on their first post" is rather odd in the first place in a situation like this.
Evictcunt for convenience (or at least my own):
Kilgamayan (0): Roukanken
Sakana (0): Kilgamayan, huh what
Kefit (1): Sakana
Roukanken (2): Zakeri, Kefit
Zakeri (3): Bardiche, Roukanken, huh what
Bardiche (1): Edible
Jam (0): MakaiSouvenirBooth
huh what (0): Nietz
Edible (2): Pesco, Kilgamayan
MakaiSouvenirBooth (1): Nietz
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Random musings.
Pressure on Zakeri looks dumb but not scummy. Typical Day 1 stuff here I guess. Nothing inherently wrong with supporting a lynch you're not actively voting for, since players don't normally have more than one vote.
Kefit pings me as odd for his talk about the importance of king election. His last line before the Roukan quote in particular looks like cheerleady filler. His Roukan case itself isn't terrible but there's something I really don't like about the tone of the whole post. Hard to articulate. Enough to earn an ##Unvote though. Shuffling down the list of not-me people with decision-making skills I trust leads to ##Vote: Nietz.
Sodium, why are you not voting to evict anyone?
Latest Evict count is missing Jam's pick of Edible.
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Hurrr, didn't notice that.
Kilgamayan (0): Roukanken
Sakana (0): Kilgamayan, huh what
Kefit (1): Sakana
Roukanken (2): Zakeri, Kefit
Zakeri (3): Bardiche, Roukanken, huh what
Bardiche (1): Edible
Jam (0): MakaiSouvenirBooth
huh what (0): Nietz
Edible (3): Pesco, Kilgamayan, Jam
MakaiSouvenirBooth (1): Nietz
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@ Zak: Are you using my MindhaxTM without actually calling it that?
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So, where's Sakana?
Sleeping because of the time-zone-differences. ;)
And still trying to figure out what to make of the things that have been said, I've gotta take it slowly for the start.
First of all #Unevict
Kefit: When you vote Rou for supposing the fake-votes, then what about Jam who proposed the same thing before him? Though I agree that it was Rou who practically enforced this strategy.
if I had cared enough about looking town.
I guess that is what Pesco is referring to?
I don't get what you're trying to get at there.
It looks like you're deliberately offering yourself up as a target.
I see both Edible and Zak suspicious at the moment, but there's not enough reason for me to narrow it down to those two. I'll wait until there's some more stuff to work with before I decide anything, both for the eviction and for the king.
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Sleeping because of the time-zone-differences. ;)
You couldn't have been sleeping while we were doing that (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.0) with your cunt :V
I see both Edible and Zak suspicious at the moment, but there's not enough reason for me to narrow it down to those two. I'll wait until there's some more stuff to work with before I decide anything, both for the eviction and for the king.
What sort of more stuff are you waiting for? More stuff from Zak and Edible or more stuff from someone else to become a wagon? What prevents you from generating stuff?
Thy shalt not be king! ##Exile Sakana
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What sort of more stuff are you waiting for? More stuff from Zak and Edible or more stuff from someone else to become a wagon? What prevents you from generating stuff?
Thy shalt not be king! ##Exile Sakana
Seriously I don't wanna be king anyway. Exactly because I have no idea who to turst yet and who not.
About generating stuff, well, I don't wanna be obnoxious with always asking and never stating much else, but I guess it has to be done:
I asked a question to Zak already, I don't know where you're going other than against Edible.
Now for Edible, are you still content with your small case on Bard?
Or do you have something new on him to justify your decision?
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If you're waiting on people you know you can trust, you're going to be waiting a while.
I'd also like to see an exile vote down from you, though you're a less pressing concern than Sodium.
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Exile, evict, same thing.
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Being obnoxious is good play, apparently.
Exile and Evict aren't the same things, Kilga. Just using different words to denote my preferences.
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Ah yeah, I realized I was basically doing the same as Sodium. Asking without voting.
And yes, I know I can wait long for people to trust, but there should be enough time to at least fin dsomeone to trust a bit more than everyone else. Or so I hope.
As for eviction, I'll go with my current preference and
#Evict Edible
at least as long until I get some answers
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Zakeri: Rou is scummier than Edible to you, right? if so, why? It just seems like you have better reasons to vote Edible from what you've said.
This, once again, operates under the assumption that just because I didn't make a new "Please kill this person" sign means that I'm pushing for an old case that is getting no reaction over one I just recently made.
Since we can't seem to transcend the idea of voting as oppose to just discussing cases:
##Unstabrepeatedthearustyspoon: Roukanken
##tiedtoagiantlogandsendsaidlogthroughanoldfashionedlumbermill: Edible
For huh what's clarification - the role fishing was my original reason, and I thought other people had caught it as well when I said I agreed. It wasn't until later just before I asked him about it that no one else seemed to be discussing it. I realize that basically means nothing since I can't prove I thought of it then.
About looking town: Yes, Town should care about looking like town, but as I said before in practice it's usually something that doesn't occur to townies because it's something that should logically follow from being town as a result of the definition of "Scumtells"
...Or maybe that's just me. ???
Being obnoxious is good play, apparently.
It only works if you're not known for being obnoxious, though.
Now that I think about it, how should we be handling Majority counts? Realize here that L-n means only exactly what we feel like it means, since our great Moddess has already decided not to even look at these votes.
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Now for Edible, are you still content with your small case on Bard?
I'm content with my vote where it is for now.
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EBWOP: My fake vote, not my real vote. Zakeri and Jam's opportunistic behavior is worrisome, and my real vote's on Zakeri, so:
##unvote Zakeri
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Exile and Evict aren't the same things, Kilga.
Mind explaining why, exactly?
Also GJ jumping on the new guy for making new guy mistakes. T_T
And it's Thou not Thy, damn thee
This, once again, operates under the assumption that just because I didn't make a new "Please kill this person" sign means that I'm pushing for an old case that is getting no reaction over one I just recently made.
Your case against me was 'OH NOES HE'S MAKING SENSE IN HIS FIRST POST!', and despite saying a good deal afterward about Edible you never bothered to bring me up again.
And voting generates discussion because it brings around pressure.
About looking town: Yes, Town should care about looking like town, but as I said before in practice it's usually something that doesn't occur to townies because it's something that should logically follow from being town as a result of the definition of "Scumtells"
If players who were Townie weren't capable of performing scummy actions, the game would be impossible for scum to win. Of course Town has to watch themselves.
...Or maybe that's just me. ???
Yes. Yes it is.
Now that I think about it, how should we be handling Majority counts? Realize here that L-n means only exactly what we feel like it means, since our great Moddess has already decided not to even look at these votes.
If someone gets to a majority, we're more or less done for the day because we've decided on who we want to lynch. We elect a king and they know who they're expected to evict based on the previous votecounts.
Edible ninja: Is there any possibility of you, uh, talking about anything else? >_>
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EBWOP: Ninja'd by an opinion, which is better than nothing.
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[16:29] <Pesco> @dict exile
[16:29] <@Keine> Pesco: wn: exile n 1: voluntarily absent from home or country [syn: {expatriate}] 2: expelled from home or country by authority [syn: {deportee}] 3: the act of expelling a person from their native land; "men in exile dream of hope"; "his deportation to a penal colony"; "the expatriation of wealthy farmers"; "the sentence was one of transportation for life" [syn: {deportation}, {expatriation}, {transportation}] (1 more message)
[16:29] <@Keine> Pesco: v : expel from a country; "The poet was exiled because he signed a letter protesting the government's actions" [syn: {expatriate}, {deport}] [ant: {repatriate}]
[16:30] <Pesco> @dict evict
[16:30] <@Keine> Pesco: wn: evict v 1: expel or eject without recourse to legal process; "The landlord wanted to evict the tenants so he banged on the pipes every morning at 3 a.m." 2: expel from one's property or force to move out by a legal process; "The landlord evicted the tenants after they had not paid the rent for four months" [syn: {force out}]
You know how we have one vote? Generally we only have one evict, so if it's a different term, I can have an exile too :D.
New guys can roll scum too last I heard.
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You know how we have one vote? Generally we only have one evict, so if it's a different term, I can have an exile too :D.
Was it so hard to just say that when Kilga asked you? T_T
New guys can roll scum too last I heard.
Does that mean we have to make D1 for every single game 'lynch the new guy'? I'd rather give Sakana a little time to figure out what the hell he's doing rather than put him to lynch for making the same mistakes pretty much everyone does on their first game.
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Does that mean we have to make D1 for every single game 'lynch the new guy'? I'd rather give Sakana a little time to figure out what the hell he's doing rather than put him to lynch for making the same mistakes pretty much everyone does on their first game.
Eh? Did I miss something? As much as I appreciate your concern, Rou, I don't feel like I am even being close to a lynch or like anyone is trying to lynch me. And if it should come to it, well, so be it.
If anything, it rather felt like Pesco was trying to push me a bit, so that I'll try to play actively.
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Kilga never asked me, you did.
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Oh, right, Sakana is in Europe. Alright then.
Kilga: I'd rather not end up making a half-assed vote because I couldn't concentrate.
Zak: Generally, people vote for the person they find the scummiest and the person they want dead the most, so I was just asking for clarification on who you found scummier. I was asking what your reason was for voting Rou over Edible when you seemed to have more reason to vote for Edible, not why you were pushing a Rou case.
##Evict Zakeri
I don't really like how he responded to my question. It should be reasonable to assume that when you have cases on two people, and are voting one person over the other, that the one you're voting is the person you want to die more(pushing one case over the other, although), and Zak never did say why he was voting Rou over Edible either. Also, post 65 was pretty bad, and a lot of his posts after words was explaining post 65.
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The Third "Kentai Life Returns KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3PuYFkVX2A) Vote Count
"Suzumiya Haruhi and I are not ordinary humans"
Mod Note: Aww, the votecount changed. I was gonna post the same exact votecount if you all hadn't changed the King votes.
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (1): Kilgamayan
3. Kefit (1): Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (0)
5. Pesco (0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (10): Jam, Nietz, Pesco, MSB, Bardiche, huh what, Sakana, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~57 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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Hey wait! Kilga said he went down the list, but Neitz is up from Kefit!
OMG YOU SCUM11eleven
##Vote Kilga
That's a vote for king, yanno?
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See any EBWOP? I thought the mod didn't care about players if they might have made a screwup.
That's a serious vote for king.
Some things I care about. Your evict count isn't one of them. Votes I have to count I do care about
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For huh what's clarification - the role fishing was my original reason, and I thought other people had caught it as well when I said I agreed. It wasn't until later just before I asked him about it that no one else seemed to be discussing it. I realize that basically means nothing since I can't prove I thought of it then.
M'k then. Did you have any other reasons for prioritizing Rou over Edible until now, though?
Evictcunt:
Kilgamayan (0): Roukanken
Sakana (1): Kilgamayan, huh what, Pesco
Kefit (1): Sakana
Roukanken (1): Zakeri, Kefit
Zakeri (4): Bardiche, Roukanken, huh what, MakaiSouvenirBooth
Bardiche (1): Edible
Jam (0): MakaiSouvenirBooth
huh what (0): Nietz
Edible (4): Pesco, Kilgamayan, Jam, Sakana, Zakeri
MakaiSouvenirBooth (1): Nietz
Probably missed something on the count. If I did, please point it out.
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I'm still for Evicting Edible. Exile is my second vote that I made up myself.
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Repeating someoneelse & stating the obvious = not saying anything of use
how about you evict someone? = "not voting"
And huh what didn't do any of these, so I was wondering why you were evicting him.
Fair enough, I guess those could indeed mean the same thing. It still remains suspicious to me, but I admit it could be an innocent mix-up.
As for huh what, in #39 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg285684#msg285684) he was simply repeating the point Jam and Rou had just made. Plus he had to be prompted by you before actually giving opinions, and that doesn't look too good either.
Now, reading at Edible vs Bard, I agree that Bard's jokes were somewhat inappropriate. But Edible was grossly overreacting to it, which smells like graping for believable reasons for mislynch. Right now I agree with him as a target.
##Unevict
##Evict Edible
As for Zak, I'm not sure. He's clearly being anti-town with that smartass attitude, but I wouldn't say he looks too scummy.
And for King, it doesn't really matter, I'll vote for whoever takes the lead.
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<Neitz> "I agree that Edible's analysis of the situation was somewhat correct, but HOW DARE HE THROW A FAKE VOTE ON SOMEONE IN EARLY DAY 1! THAT'S GROSSLY OVERREACTING!"
Haha.
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... Yeahokay what? How are my jokes inappropriate? Sigh, I'll chalk it up to different gamestyles. Fine, I'll not try to have fun with flavour again, because it'll just make people think I'm scum. Town can't have fun, CAN IT? No.
I am looking at those people, thinking there is something soundly weird with treating my making a joke in the votecount by citing the novels something bad or, dare I say it, scummy.
Staying on Zakeri. Not happy with "first person making sense = scum", best target so far, and he's not being particularly helpful by going all "snrk" on people who comment on his behaviour.
Better Day 1 case than "he made a joke".
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It's not just about you making a joke, it's you literally going from the first serious post of the game to a comedy routine, back to back. That sort of thing is disconcerting.
Though the "case" has pretty clearly run its course, I still have little reason to move my vote. I'll leave it there until I find somewhere better to put it.
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The Fourth "Yuki Muon Madobe Nite KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kOHpCvB2YI&feature=video_response) Vote Count
"Feelings of love are just a temporary lapse in judgement. Like a mental illness."
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (1): Kilgamayan
3. Kefit (1): Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (1): Pesco
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (9): Jam, Nietz, MSB, Bardiche, huh what, Sakana, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~47 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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While we debate endlessly, I'm going to go ahead and nominate Kilga as well.
##vote Kilgamayan
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I'm still wanting Zak to answer me if he used my MindhaxTM when deciding to vote Rou. It links to how I read Bard's vote and in turn, Edible's.
Calling huh what HW from now on. It's weird typing his name in normal speech.
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Still keeping my evict on Edible for being so on Bard. It took you until now to realize that you might want to look at other people? Also, you just voted for a King when before you said we should pick a King before who we're lynching?
I don't see any problem at all with Bard trying to throw a bit of flavor into the game. If he were just being ridiculous with no reasoning then sure... but I really don't see a reason to dwell on him at all.
It'll be interesting to see who you decide to switch your vote to and the reasoning Edible...
Aaanyway... before sleeping time... this ought to be the evict count:
Bard - 1
Edible - 5
Rou - 1
Zakeri - 4
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First of all, joining in on the king votes:
## Vote Kilga
I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be him.
I hope we'll get to see a move from Edible soon. I'm not too comfortable with my evict on him at the moment, but the only other obvious target right now would be Zak, who seems to be offering himself up to be lynched far too much.
Just to be safe until I make up my mind: ##Unevict
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Short phone post.
Jam: Your point on Edible making a king vote makes no sense.
Sakana: Evict hammering is not final. Your unevict is totally unnecessary. If you're waiting on him, why do you let off your pressure?
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Ugh, way too much chaff. Pesco in particular could stand to knock it off. Makes me want to kneejerk evict him. Still happy with my Edible choice, though. Also he just ninja'd me with the exact question I was going to ask Sakana.
Most everything else looks not worth picking through.
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Sakana: Evict hammering is not final. Your unevict is totally unnecessary. If you're waiting on him, why do you let off your pressure?
With the same logic I could say that me unevicting doesn't make a difference either.
I made it clear that I'm still onto Edible, so the pressure won't change just from whether I have written two specific words or not. If those were 'real' votes, I'd agree, but as it is now, I'll leave things as they are for the moment.
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Committed intentions. They mean a lot.
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Though the "case" has pretty clearly run its course, I still have little reason to move my vote. I'll leave it there until I find somewhere better to put it.
You said in an earlier post that you thought Zak and Jam were being opportunistic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287003#msg287003), now you say you have nowhere else to put your vote even though you have no momentum on Bard? I'm not getting your reasoning.
Sakana is still being stupid, but for newbies stupid is a nulltell. It's clear he's trying, but he just has no idea what he's doing.
I made it clear that I'm still onto Edible, so the pressure won't change just from whether I have written two specific words or not. If those were 'real' votes, I'd agree, but as it is now, I'll leave things as they are for the moment.
Here's the thing. Votes do more than produce pressure, they make you accountable for your opinion. If your vote is down for someone and they flip Town, you can't turn around and say 'I never wanted anything to do with it'.
Ninja'd by Pesco saying what I was going to in 6 words. T_T
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Committed intentions. They mean a lot.
Then I'll call what I did commited unease, sorry :P
I know we don't have that much time anymore, but I won't be able to really commit myself to anything until tonight, so please wait warmly.
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EBWOP: I'm probably just trying to think too much about stuff anyway, ignoring that this is only D1
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You said in an earlier post that you thought Zak and Jam were being opportunistic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287003#msg287003), now you say you have nowhere else to put your vote even though you have no momentum on Bard? I'm not getting your reasoning.
Simple, really. Opportunistic doesn't necessarily mean scum; it could just mean they're lazy and want to jump on the most popular case.
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##UNEVICT: Zakeri
##EVICT: Edible
Good enough to get me to switch. Not Scumhunting less scummy than Posting A Joke In A Votecount? Sign me up for his lynch.
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Now it just sounds like you were looking for a reason to OMGUS.
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EBWOP:
Also, you continue to ignore why I actually voted for you - this makes you look more scummy, not less. Just as an aside.
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No no no no no, if we start chalking up known scumtells to "they could just be playing bad" that would undermine the entire foundation of scumhunting.
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Also, you continue to ignore why I actually voted for you - this makes you look more scummy, not less. Just as an aside.
Edible, pretty much everyone already agreed your vote on Bard sucked, the only point of discussion about it is whether it was scummy of you or not.
Also, joining the Kilga kingwagon.
##Vote Kilgamayan
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No no no no no, if we start chalking up known scumtells to "they could just be playing bad" that would undermine the entire foundation of scumhunting.
It's perfectly acceptable to do D1, and doubly so in a situation where our "evict" votes hold no real weight. It's enough that I'm expressing suspicion.
Edible, pretty much everyone already agreed your vote on Bard sucked
I did as well, if you'll recall. But I hold it was valid as any other vote for ED1 - I will not budge on this.
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EBWOP:
Also, you continue to ignore why I actually voted for you - this makes you look more scummy, not less. Just as an aside.
I've given that subject enough talk already, but if you insist that only I can persuade you to get off your arse and start scumhunting, I'll humour you.
It was a joke in the votecounts, votecounts have nothing to do with Mafia content, it is not related to my voting and it was just me having fun with a votecount. Having fun with a votecount does not equal jokevoting. Jokevoting is making a vote for someone with no basis other than 'lolz so random XD' and saying that that needs to end does not equate to 'you're not allowed to enjoy flavour!'.
Frankly I feel it's a waste of my time to get it through to you, you just seem totally set on "votecounts = jokevote", and that we can't have fun with the flavour and that's your best case in 5 pages worth of discussion.
If you had voted on anyone else for doing this, I would still have voted you. It doesn't look like you understand just how terrible your argument is. You're disjointing what I say and reconstruing to fit your little fantasy of "Bard is contradicting himself, HE MUST BE MORE SCUMMY THAN PEOPLE JUMPING ON A BANDWAGON". At first I thought you were just desperately looking for something to build a Day 1 case on (even Zakeri did better in this regard) and were a misguided town, but when you proclaim it the scummiest thing so far and pass blatant bandwagoning off as "just being lazy and jumping on a popular case", I have to wonder where your priorities lie- and they don't seem to lie with a Town Victory.
Get it now? I'm voting you because your reasons for sticking to "joke in votecount MUST PERISH" and your apparent belief of "people jumping on a bandwagon doesn't deserve any scrutiny at all" just can't be reconciled as town actions for me.
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It's perfectly acceptable to do D1, and doubly so in a situation where our "evict" votes hold no real weight. It's enough that I'm expressing suspicion.
So in short, you can base practically every scumtell on 'but maybe it's lazy/stupid Town', and this isn't detrimental to the scumhunting process? You're basically saying it's okay not to hold people accountable for their play here.
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@Bard: I had an interpretation of your actions. You have a different explanation of your actions. But thanks for spending several paragraphs grossly overstating my actions and adding severe misrep to your list of scum activity. I'll keep that in mind.
So in short, you can base practically every scumtell on 'but maybe it's lazy/stupid Town', and this isn't detrimental to the scumhunting process? You're basically saying it's okay not to hold people accountable for their play here.
Thanks for ignoring the "on Day 1" part. D1 scumhunting is always a shot in the dark unless scum does something immensely stupid. As an example, the "case" on me has evolved from "I dislike why he voted for this person" to "his reasons for voting this person are incredibly scummy" with little to no evidence in between, and lo and behold a bandwagon is formed.
You also ignored the part where our "evict" votes are completely meaningless, aside from showing where our suspicion lies. Should I "evict" Jam and Zak too, for the aforementioned opportunistic actions? What about Kilga, who has been lurking all game yet still has an "I agree" vote on me? Or Neitz, who arguably has the worst "explained" reason for voting me? Or Bard, who eventually turned to OMGUS voting me? Etc, etc. There's nothing preventing me from doing any of this except the mutually accepted assumption that everyone only has one "evict" vote because we're pretending it's a real vote.
Additionally, don't confuse my vote on Bard for not having any momentum (per your previous statement). My fakevote hasn't moved from him for a reason.
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Thanks for ignoring the "on Day 1" part. D1 scumhunting is always a shot in the dark unless scum does something immensely stupid. As an example, the "case" on me has evolved from "I dislike why he voted for this person" to "his reasons for voting this person are incredibly scummy" with little to no evidence in between, and lo and behold a bandwagon is formed.
And accountability for your opinions is irrelevant? Arguing that votes are meaningless is scummy, because it lets scum get away with not producing a solid opinion.
The entire point of the Evict/Exile votes is to make something useful out of a day that's otherwise 'HEY GAIZ LET'S CHOOSE SOMEONE WHO LOOKS TOWNIE!'.
There's nothing preventing me from doing any of this except the mutually accepted assumption that everyone only has one "evict" vote because we're pretending it's a real vote.
So you would prefer to try and play the horrible bastard mod version of the day rather than try to construct something relatively sane?
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:V Brilliant case, fellow. Everyone who's on you must be scum. You just named just about everyone who's on you as being targets you are suspicious of. Just because you voted for me doesn't make me voting you OMGUS: it's only that if I vote you for voting me. Which I don't, but I think my previous post should have outlined that.
My list of scum activity now consists of finding your case on me severely bad, making a votecount with flavour after saying we need to start voting seriously (two matters which have nothing to do with eachother) and voting you because I think passing off bandwagoning as if it's just lazy town, which you somehow mistake for me voting you because you vote me. (which I don't care about, as your case is entirely nonsensical and based off a misconstruction of my actual words and grossly exaggerating my actual actions)
In other words totally satisfied with Edible as a lynch target unless someone else steps up to be the target for the day. Don't feel like wasting more words to it, 'cause it looks like everything I say to him is first bent sideways before it reaches him and somehow construed as something totally different from what's said.
Content to Kingmake anyone, and since there's a Kingtrain on Kilga forming, ##VOTE: Kilgamayan.
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And accountability for your opinions is irrelevant? Arguing that votes are meaningless is scummy, because it lets scum get away with not producing a solid opinion.
The entire point of the Evict/Exile votes is to make something useful out of a day that's otherwise 'HEY GAIZ LET'S CHOOSE SOMEONE WHO LOOKS TOWNIE!'.?
Votes aren't meaningless. "Evict" votes are effectively meaningless because they have no bearing on the rules. Suspicion and applied suspicion are exactly what "evict" votes represent. I'm running into the same issue Pesco did, and his choice of action (which you seem to find perfectly acceptable) was to just add another kind of vote to the list. Mine is to say "I find this suspicious." Are you that tied to the concept of votes?
So you would prefer to try and play the horrible bastard mod version of the day rather than try to construct something relatively sane
Given we have an equal chance of hitting scum if we just give someone the gun and let them go at it as we do with days of D1 "discussion", yes. Moreso, given I'm town (not that you know this for sure yet).
Ninja by Bard, who seems very satisfied in his efforts to set up a town lynch.
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Votes aren't meaningless. "Evict" votes are effectively meaningless because they have no bearing on the rules. Suspicion and applied suspicion are exactly what "evict" votes represent.
So we should follow the rules to the letter and try to spend the day hunting for Townies? On Day 1? The reason I wanted the Evict system to be accepted was that the alternative was basically clusterfuck Mai-Hime territory. We all know how well designating Townies to fight went.
I'm running into the same issue Pesco did, and his choice of action (which you seem to find perfectly acceptable) was to just add another kind of vote to the list. Mine is to say "I find this suspicious." Are you that tied to the concept of votes?
I read his explanation of the Exile vote as akin to an FoS. A declaration of suspicion, but not an actual vote. While it does irritate me that he jumped on the newcomer for making a newcomer-style mistake, Zak is worse for cheerleading a lynch while bringing nothing new to the table, and then playing the holier-than-thou card with 'Just because I have nothing new on Rou and plenty on Edible doesn't mean I should switch votes!'
So in short, yes. I am tied to the concept of votes, mainly because I want to make something coherent out of a ridiculous pro-scum rule like this. Any feeling of satisfaction I feel from beating UK at her own Bastard Mod game is wholly coincidential.
Any feeling that you are beating me at my own game is at best a very fond hope and more likely delusion ^-^. Remember, the only one who wins a UK game is UK, regardless of which side actually wins :P
Given we have an equal chance of hitting scum if we just give someone the gun and let them go at it as we do with days of D1 "discussion", yes. Moreso, given I'm town (not that you know this for sure yet).
So we should just skip to D2, since D1 is pointless. That's great reasoning. D1 is flimsy and imperfect, yes, but it needs to happen so that real discussion can take place further down the line.
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So we should follow the rules to the letter and try to spend the day hunting for Townies?
Er. I think I missed how this conversation got turned to townie-hunting - did I miss something?
D1 is flimsy and imperfect, yes, but it needs to happen so that real discussion can take place further down the line.
This is a reasonable point. I concede to your logic.
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I'll bite. What are "[Bard's] efforts to set up a townie lynch"?
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You're parroting my arguments against you to make me look bad, and then cutting off any attempt to debate points by stating you won't "waste any more words" on it. Falsely ending posts on a point of assumed finality implies that you've found scum and want the lynch to go ahead. Thus, setting up a townie lynch.
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The Fifth "God Knows KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiEDIrFj3Cs) Vote Count
"Every day, I hang out with an alien, a time traveler, and a ESPer?and I?m still as sane and objective as ever. Hmm?I wonder if that makes me special or something. I?m sure Lacan?s dying to have a word with me!"
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (1): Kilgamayan
3. Kefit (1): Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (5): Pesco, Edible, Sakana, Nietz, Bardiche,
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (5): Jam, MSB, huh what, Roukanken, Zakeri
Kilga is at King minus Two
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~32 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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My turn to do the Evict count :D (Copy pasta from Jam's. Blame her if there's a mistake)
Bard - 1
Edible - 6
Rou - 1
Zakeri - 4
Bard's switch is the hammer, so to speak.
Hating Zak's silence by now. And almost forgot Kefit was playing.
@Mod: What happens if we made you King?
Who knows ^-^? Only one way to find out. Well, technically two, but one is waiting til postgame
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I think I'm at 5, pesco. Sakana switched out.
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Though perhaps this is a good time for me to claim, huh.
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Not time to claim yet, I don't see the early-Edible-voters weighing in, and I'd like to see them review what's happened, or at least affirm their vote is truly where they want it to be.
They might be convinced during this to vote elsewhere, and I don't see a ninjaKilgaking happening, nor a ninjaKilgaking ninjalynching either way.
I almost want to Kingmake the mod now, just to see what happens. :V
I'll assure you that the way I handle it is fair to all factions in this game. This may or may not be good
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Ninjakilgakingninjalynch is now the word of the day.
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:V Ninjas everywhere, m i rite.
##VOTE: Town
Um...I think I said Unvotes are required at some point. If not, you might want to use one
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Not time to claim yet, I don't see the early-Edible-voters weighing in, and I'd like to see them review what's happened, or at least affirm their vote is truly where they want it to be.
I'm waiting for Zak.
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Er. I think I missed how this conversation got turned to townie-hunting - did I miss something?
That'd be the essence of the day if we were just looking for a King. The fear of the power to determine the lynch falling into the wrong hands would take precedence because hunting would be disorganised and thoroughly divided. If you wanted to get it in order you'd need something like, you know, a vote system.
Edible's case on Bard (which he took about a day to reveal) feels like grasping. Let's look at it this way: Edible attacks Bard for placing a joke in the vote tally after a call for serious business. So far, so iffy. Now because Bard doesn't see anything worth talking about, he's supposedly trying to cut conversation off.
You accuse him of trying to parrot your arguments against you. What arguments? You raeg at him for what you claim is softclaiming based on a joke in the votetally and offer nothing else in terms of reasoning until pressed. You even accuse him along the lines of 'that's not why I'm voting you (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287957#msg287957)' when in reading over every post up to your clarification of the 'case' I can't see ANY of the points you're suddenly bringing up.
Paranoia about what to do with the King is probably unfounded. It's UK, so presumably whoever gets chosen everyone loses somehow. >_>
Zak, start existing. The only thing worse than giving bad answers to questions is not answering them entirely.
Just because I win doesn't mean everyone else loses :P. I don't try to torture you all, I just get amusement from watching the game unfold :P
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You accuse him of trying to parrot your arguments against you. What arguments?
@Bard: I had an interpretation of your actions. You have a different explanation of your actions. But thanks for spending several paragraphs grossly overstating my actions and adding severe misrep to your list of scum activity. I'll keep that in mind.
your case is entirely nonsensical and based off a misconstruction of my actual words and grossly exaggerating my actual actions
In short, his entire counterargument boils down to "no u." That statement I quoted from him could just as easily be applied to his case against me.
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EBWOP: Look at it this way.
Q. If we both have equally bad cases against each other, why am I the only one with the train?
A. Because my train is scum-motivated.
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I'm on Bard because he went from "everyone, let's be serious" to "everyone, let's be silly" in one post.
I'm not sure where there's room for misinterpretation here. You said this, it makes no sense, him saying it made no sense is apparently bad.
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He isn't saying it makes no sense, he's been saying (repeatedly) that I voted him for a reason other than what I voted him for originally.
When you do One Thing?, then immediately follow it up with what looks like The Exact Opposite?, you set off Flags In My Head?. This is exactly what he did and it's what caused me to vote him.
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I am looking at those people, thinking there is something soundly weird with treating my making a joke in the votecount by citing the novels something bad or, dare I say it, scummy.
I'm voting you because your reasons for sticking to "joke in votecount MUST PERISH" and your apparent belief of "people jumping on a bandwagon doesn't deserve any scrutiny at all" just can't be reconciled as town actions for me.
I'm not seeing where you're coming from here.
I'm tired, and apparently my suspect is still AWOL. All I can say is that I have no idea what the hell Edible is talking about.
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In both of those quotes, he is assuming he was voted because he made a funny.
This is not the case.
He was being voted because he made a funny directly after calling for serious business. This struck a chord with me, and so after I confirmed he wasn't softclaiming for some stupid reason, I voted him.
I'm not sure how many more times I need to clarify this. ???
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My turn to do the Evict count :D (Copy pasta from Jam's. Blame her if there's a mistake)
Bard - 1
Edible - 6
Rou - 1
Zakeri - 4
Bard's switch is the hammer, so to speak.
Hating Zak's silence by now. And almost forgot Kefit was playing.
@Mod: What happens if we made you King?
Who knows ^-^? Only one way to find out. Well, technically two, but one is waiting til postgame
I have:
Bard - 1
Edible - 5
Rou - 1
Zakeri - 3
So... umm... I dunno.
Nothing new to see really at this point. Rou and Edible going on back and forth isn't really doing anything... I'll stay where I am until Zak pops in again.
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He was being voted because he made a funny directly after calling for serious business.
Is there a reason you don't distinguish between "no jokevotes" and "don't make jokes"?
The "town with very bad case of blinders" feeling is beginning to rear its head, so let's clear up what exactly your problem is.
From my side, I honestly don't understand why me saying "Okay guys no more jokevotes" is synonymous to saying "Okay guys no more jokes", as you can still joke around and do serious Mafia.
Maybe it's lost in translation from my language to English, but can someone/you clear up for me why this needs to be such a point of contending?
To Rou: I can kind of relate to how Gordon must've felt in that game. I sincerely apologise.
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It's perfectly acceptable to do D1 and doubly so in a situation where our "evict" votes hold no real weight.
- No it's really not and I don't know why you think it is!
- I'll let you know right now that if I get elected King I intend on nuking whoever it is the public chooses to nuke (barring a really good, believable roleclaim), so the evict votes might as well be real votes as far as I'm concerned.
Evict vote is still quite happy on Edible, hilarious OMGUS (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288114#msg288114) and an interpretation semantics argument with Bard where his interpretation was pretty incorrect, I very much side with Bard on the wording argument here (and no, it is not Bard's fault if he gets riled up at you for you interpreting something the wrong way, it is your fault for pressing an incorrect interpretation as smugly as you have).
Would like Pesco to focus on more important issues than whether or not Zakeri "stole mind hax" or whatever it is he's going on about.
Would also like to know where Sodium went. Sakana and Kefit too (though I think I know about the latter). Less concerned with huh what and Zakeri but they could also stand to post again.
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Sorry, I was doing other stuff(Mahjong, games, eating, etc.).
So, I really don't care about who the king is. From the looks of it, it'll end up being Kilga.
"Evict" votes are effectively meaningless because they have no bearing on the rules.
I though the whole point of them were to act as "votes" on Day 1(if the King doesn't lynch whoever is "evicted" then they're pretty much dead too), and later on, for all intents and purposes, view them as "votes" when analyzing actions of players on Day 1. =V
Nothing really happened. Talk between Rou, Edible and Bard didn't really lead anywhere(although it did clarify some stuff). =V Would prefer Zakeri lynch over Edible(obviously), but I doubt that'll happen.
*generic where are some people*
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Evict votes are meaningless in terms of game rules. They obviously have impact in terms of who we decide the King will kill, but this is why we can have more than one - see Pesco's use of "exile", etc. I explained this to Rou already, Kilga. Why stick to rules that don't apply to us, when there are more flexible solutions?
Finally, as I'm somewhat annoyed by possibly being lynched due to a horrible ED1 case and blatant misunderstandings and misrepresentation, I'm going to get my roleclaim out of the way before we run out of time to pick a better lynch.
I am Haruhi Suzumiya, Townie Dreaming God.
I can prove this claim beyond a shadow of a doubt. The nature of the game permits me to do so.
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A. Because my train is scum-motivated.
The irony is that I do believe that Edible is absolutely right here.
He was, after all, the one who motivated the case on himself.
After being prompted to, 'huh what' said his piece and just went inactive again, not looking much better in that aspect.
Waiting for Zakeri ,etc...
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I intended to write this post 12 hours ago. I don't know what it is with me, I swear I don't do this on purpose. :ohdear:
Yes, Pesco, My vote on Rou mainly was for reaction gathering. Picking on Roukan will probably become a running thing If I'm not satisfied in his alignment.
Simple, really. Opportunistic doesn't necessarily mean scum; it could just mean they're lazy and want to jump on the most popular case.
This is some pretty heavy sidestepping. If you didn't think Opportunism was good enough leverage for voting for someone, why did you just throw it out there for everyone to take it in? This reads like a backtracking excuse to keep the vote on Bard.
The OMGUS Call later isn't as justified as Edible would have liked it to be.
There's nothing preventing me from doing any of this except the mutually accepted assumption that everyone only has one "evict" vote because we're pretending it's a real vote.
This is a paranormal circumstance for me, since I was pretty close to making this argument as well when people were on me for voting Rou while attacking you. The only thing that prevented me from using this was because it was a stupid and scummy sounding argument, and would have gotten me lynched.
Votes aren't meaningless. "Evict" votes are effectively meaningless because they have no bearing on the rules.
You mean like how money is absolutely worthless because god didn't create intricately inked sheets of dead leaves molded into a flat rectangle?
post cut in half due to oh god it's a long, jumbled looking mess.
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Seeing the role claim made me jump out of my chair.
All of these "Waiting for Zaks" makes me nervous. I don't know what to put anymore, so here's some random opinions:
Sakana is making a lot of mistakes - specifically that (s?)he is trying too hard to decide between me and Edible because we were "The obvious cases" which is effectively a complete halt on scumhunting when you look for that as a case trait.
I deserve the most hate for inactivity right now, so I really don't feel like poking names like "Kefit" and "huh what" right now since I'll be called out on it later.
Edible's claim is really bothersome. Not just because I'm not even sure if Edible proving it's true would mean it actually is true, but also Neitz's next post after it seems to have ignored it completely.
I read back Neitz's post while my own thoughts were recrystallizing. He's done a lot worse than Edible. His vote on "Huh what" in 57 was for doing what MSB thought Jam did, which was "Parrot Rou's suggestion and not vote" minus the "Not vote" Part since he did that in his first post after Rou's explanation. All this leaves is "Parroting's Rou's suggestion".
This is a complete non-reason, and the only explanation for this is if he was trying to steal MSB's reason for voting right out from under him by voting for a different target. His later posts demonstrated that he completely missed the "Not voting for anyone" part. This is the kind of crap logic that would normally only be pushed by scum.
In post 72, he jumps from Huh what to MSB claiming that MSB was making stuff up while backtracked. This is the post I mean when he missed the real reason for voting Jam. The viscous turn on MSB looks like he just realized this mistake and instead of admitting to it he turned the vote away before it could be discussed further. He accuses MSB of grasping for reasons, but you can say the same thing for how he pulled out the vote switch in that same post.
The switch to Edible is also bad. He basically comes late on a bandwagon with only the same reason everyone else had. (I mean, heck, I'm the only one that brought up a second reason, and I'm practically second in line for being lynched). Edible's post found at the bottom of page four, while unwarranted, is a rather good point.
Whether Edible's claim is true or not, I'm comfortable enough to switch my eviction to Neitz now.
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Edible's roleclaim is interesting. In what way exactly can you prove it?
For now I suppose I'll #Unevict though I'm not sure when I'll next be on as I'm going out tomorrow so you guys will probably have to make the decision of whether or not to trust him without me as "I can prove it" isn't really enough. How can you prove it? How soon will you prove it?
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A character name and role name do not a roleclaim make (and I wonder why Zakeri (and now Jam) are falling out of their chairs because of it), though the deadline is sufficiently far away that I don't really need to hear role details just yet, so whatever.
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I'm not really falling out of my chair over it. I'm just unevicting as I don't know if I'll be around when the mass decisions will be made. Edible "proving" this role may change everything as there's still some time for that. Though I suppose since it isn't a real vote it doesn't really make a difference now that I think about it....
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You claimed his roleclaim was "interesting". How was it interesting? He didn't even actually roleclaim.
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Well it's interesting if he can actually prove it. And if he really wants to rely on that to save himself than he'd best get on that asap. It may be in our best interests to at least hear him out and see if it sounds legit or not.
Of course, just saying the name of the role doesn't say anything much.
Also: I did initially think, "Wait, isn't UK supposed to be Haruhi? If the mod is Haruhi why is there a Haruhi role?"
May not be really relevant since this is just a game, but that came to mind when I read the claim.
I'm basically saying Edible's claim if truly provable in a way that seems legit could make us rethink our strategy for the game. It isn't a for sure game changer, but given that we still have time we might as well let him speak his piece.
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I was only planning on proving it if doing so was necessary (for instance, if someone tried to fake-counterclaim me), as I don't really want to divulge my abilities this early in the game.
Without revealing anything, I can prove my claim because I can state information that will be indirectly verified by the moderator the following day. Again, the nature of the game allows me to do this.
Until then, I'll wait to hear from all other active players before making a full claim and offer proof thereof.
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Okay, I will say I am not going to evict Edible again for today, same goes for Zak.
I might be stating the obvious, but the case on Edible is weird, were he really scum. The evict-counts heavily suggest that there's scum evicting him, but I see no reason why they should if he were a scum-buddy. His case was never hard enough to justify bussing (that's what it's called, right?), so they could have tried to just drag attention from him. Yet this doesn't seem to have happened, which concerns me.
It looks to me like the one who wants Edible dead the most at the moment is Kilga, which doesn't necessarily say anything but is reason enough for me to
#Evict: Kilga
That doesn't change my king-vote though.
Also, I'd appreciate it if some people would stop mentioning that I 'make mistakes', unless it becomes relevant to a case, without saying how.
I'll gladly listen to your advice after the game is over, but until there are some results you cannot say whether anything is a mistake or not.
I'm trying to enjoy this as a game of wits, not an angry slaughterfest, and I won't let anyone stop me form doing so. ;)
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Zak's answer to me I read as 'Not a FPMH decision'. I had been getting the feeling it was a serious Evict to lynch. However, Bard doesn't seem to care about underlying intentions and only reacts to what is exactly on the surface. This gives Bard consistency and a null read. It would appear to be standard play in punishing Zak for what he did. With scum motivations, it sets up mislynch potential.
When I said Edible Evicted Bard for reactions, I meant how people would react to Edible, not how Bard would react. Coming to where we are, there hasn't been much in the way of opposing wagons. It's either an extremely heavy bus or a town wagon.
Of the people Evicting Edible, the least memorable other than myself is Kilga. Kilga's Evict came right after mine with 'I agree' only. Sure the guy doesn't like talking much on D1, but lack of scumhunting is lack of scumhunting.
##Unevict
##Evict Kilga
I would like to trust Kilga in following the town's wishes even if it meant suicide, but there's a possibility that being King may boost the person's role. I'm not taking that risk.
## Unvote
## Vote Rou
Derptastic posting is TownRou
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Evict votes are meaningless in terms of game rules. They obviously have impact in terms of who we decide the King will kill, but this is why we can have more than one - see Pesco's use of "exile", etc. I explained this to Rou already, Kilga. Why stick to rules that don't apply to us, when there are more flexible solutions?
Flexible <> Better. Votes have always worked, and there's no need to reinvent the wheel here.
I am Haruhi Suzumiya, Townie Dreaming God.
I can prove this claim beyond a shadow of a doubt. The nature of the game permits me to do so.
You say this, and then immediately do nothing to prove your role after hiding behind 'I don't really want to divulge my abilities this early in the game'. Stop saying you can prove your innocence and do it.
Whether Edible's claim is true or not, I'm comfortable enough to switch my eviction to Neitz now.
Which, uh, you proceed not to do. T_T
Also, there is a time and a place for information gathering votes. Post-RVS, when real discussion is meant to begin, is not that time.
Sakana says Kilga wants Edible dead the most. Pesco says Kilga's displayed the least in terms of pushing the Edible case. Personally I'm standing inbetween and saying 'It's Kilga, he doesn't ever say much tbh'.
On that note, question for Pesco: You made a serious vote for Kilga as King here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287075#msg287075), after Kilga had made his 'sure that's good reasoning' evict vote on Edible. What, then, made you change your mind and decide he was scum?
Coming to where we are, there hasn't been much in the way of opposing wagons. It's either an extremely heavy bus or a town wagon.
Uh, last I checked the Zak wagon was running pretty close alongside it for a good long while.
huh what is due to post sometime soon. Kefit's given a RL explanation, so he gets excused.
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Uh, last I checked the Zak wagon was running pretty close alongside it for a good long while.
Exaclty. And that makes me feel as uncomfortable about the Zak wagon as about the Edible wagon.
'It's Kilga, he doesn't ever say much tbh'
It seemed to me that he was often pressing other players to take a stance though.
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Exaclty. And that makes me feel as uncomfortable about the Zak wagon as about the Edible wagon.
What do you think a Town-oriented train looks like? I'm not sure if you're looking for some miraculous 'everyone agrees player X is scum' situation here.
It seemed to me that he was often pressing other players to take a stance though.
Which leads to accountability, which leads to people being held to their stances, which means scum have to contribute one way or the other.
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When I voted Kilga, I never gave a reason. In fact, nobody called it other than the mod. Even after that, it drew no real attention. I don't think it's in Kilga to ever trust me so blindly.
Giving Kilga a deciding power seems like easy deferrence because, as I said above, Kilga would obey town because that is procedure. Now if a townie started the ball rolling in scum's favour, they'd pile onto it and go all the way before people noticed. The speed of the King wagon should be noted for this.
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Addend: I don't see Zak's wagon as a competitor because it's been that immemorable.
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Addend: I don't see Zak's wagon as a competitor because it's been that immemorable.
What else is going to happen when the man himself doesn't show up to comment?
When I voted Kilga, I never gave a reason. In fact, nobody called it other than the mod. Even after that, it drew no real attention. I don't think it's in Kilga to ever trust me so blindly.
I think you're overvaluing the importance of the King vote. Again, no-one in their right mind would think to go against the majority of Evict votes in selecting a lynch, the exception probably being if said lynch leader was themselves.
No-one paid attention to the King vote because no-one saw a reason to object.
Giving Kilga a deciding power seems like easy deferrence because, as I said above, Kilga would obey town because that is procedure. Now if a townie started the ball rolling in scum's favour, they'd pile onto it and go all the way before people noticed. The speed of the King wagon should be noted for this.
What about the fact that we've got about 15 hours to choose a King?
And on that note, ##Vote: Kilga. Before anything else, I'd have suspected Scum!Kilga would be even less trusting of you for the sake of you being an easy smokescreen regardless of affiliation.
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It seemed to me that he was often pressing other players to take a stance though.
I'm going to chalk this up to you being new. Stances are the major tool with which town as to work, because it's how we judge each other, so of course I want people to take them.
I don't much appreciate Pesco trying to take credit for my reasons for voting Edible and then ignoring that they've morphed over time but Pesco so whatever.
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I'm going to chalk this up to you being new. Stances are the major tool with which town as to work, because it's how we judge each other, so of course I want people to take them.
Oh no, I never questioned the importance of stances.
I just couldn't really see yours, while you pressed others for theirs. I don't say this is neccessarily scummy, but it's not all.
Is it a coincidence that you seemed to especially press on the people who were starting to deviate from the Edible-wagon?
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Sodium was never on the wagon in the first place and I've been pressing him harder than anyone.
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Sodium was never on the wagon in the first place and I've been pressing him harder than anyone.
Looking at it again, you certainly called him a 'more pressing case'. I didn't see much coming out of it though, which is of course not your fault, but Sodium's for not answering.
Well, anyway, I have pretty much no good ideas at the moment. With the deadline approaching, I'll try to look over everything again, but don't expect much to come out of it.
Due to time-zones, I'll most likely not be around when the final decisions are made and deadline is hit, so I guess that's pretty much all I have to say for D1.
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Kilga: I might have agreed that his claim wasn't worth jumping over since he did not claim any abilities. The thing is, he did claim an ability - the ability to prove he was town (And specifically Haruhi).
Which, uh, you proceed not to do. T_T
I know I'm not following syntax, but I think it's safe to assume that when I say I want to switch my vote, that means that I want to switch my vote.
Also, Pesco's not reinventing the wheel. He's just trying to come up with a convoluted replacement for the term "FoS". "Voting" for more than one person is not a new thing in mafia, it's just something that this board has dropped out of standard play because people considered the extra "votes" pointless.
I don't see anyone else discussing the new case, which makes me feel impotent. Could people at least describe why they do/don't agree with my position on Neitz?
##Vote: Roukanken
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The Sixth "Koyubi de Gyu KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUoTEjXZ6M4) Vote Count
"If your face gets any closer, someone who isn?t supposed to be in this scene is going to come over there and kick your ass!"
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (1): Kilgamayan
3. Kefit (1): Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (5): Edible, Sakana, Nietz, Bardiche, Roukanken
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (2): Pesco, Zakeri
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (3): Jam, MSB, huh what
Kilga is at King minus Two
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~12 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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Rou: When someone doesn't show up, it's because there isn't enough pressure for them to care.
I'm willing to take a bet that if I piss you off enough, you would lynch me in a fit of frustration and rage even if I was not the main choice if you were king.
Kilga's king wagon was getting rolled long before we had 15 hours remaining. I'd say scumKilga would be perfectly happy to let it be set in stone that early.
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The problem I have with Edible's claim is that it's Edible. He has a history of selfish play to the point where he has fake-claimed as town. I take nothing he says at face value, regardless of what I think of his alignment, and his being so ambiguous to this point means I don't trust that he actually has the ability to prove he's town. (I'm willing to believe that no one else is Haruhi, sure, but I'm willing to think UK is any sort of competent GM and therefore assume that player roles have no bearing on alignment, so he could be Haruhi but scum or he could be someone else entirely that was given Haruhi as a safeclaim.)
Now, the problem with THIS is that I'm going to be missing for basically the rest of the day, so even if he produces something I'm willing to believe I won't be around to change my mind. This makes me less inclined to throw my primary deathwish at him, especially given the number of king votes I've received, because I don't know how the rest of the day is going to play out. I have a little more time before I have to shove off to where I'm going, so I'm going to consider some other options, but I need to quickly go through the topic again first. Expect an evict change in my next post.
You do realize that if day ends without a king choice, it's no lynch, and if day ends without a king making a choice for lynch, it's a no lynch, right? I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, but the 24 hours extra was specifically so you'd have time to elect a king
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You do realize that if day ends without a king choice, it's no lynch, and if day ends without a king making a choice for lynch, it's a no lynch, right? I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, but the 24 hours extra was specifically so you'd have time to elect a king
This doesn't change my feelings on anything I said, though it means I will throw in ##Unvote, ##Vote: Kilga for a king choice in the interest of helping a decision be made, since my train is the furthest along and I know I'm town. I think this pushes me to K-1 (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/42764/higurashi_no_naku_koro_ni-lowres-maebara_keiichi) so be careful not to quickhammer before people have had the opportunity to come back and speak their piece.
Now then.
##Unevict: Edible
##Evict: Nietz
I actually buy Zakeri's case on him. I went back and looked at the early Sodium/Nietz interaction and initially assumed it was just a wording thing or something, but Sodium did actually mention Jam's lack of a vote the first time around, and Nietz completely missing that when he switched to Sodium for retconning is bad because Sodium wasn't actually retconning. The reasoning for the Edible vote is pretty terrible too; what is this "Bard's jokes were somewhat inappropriate" stuff? It's like Nietz didn't even bother to read the early Bard/Edible interaction and just threw a blanket statement down based on what had happened since then to make it look like he was paying attention. Edible was the only one to attack Bard's fooling around and his basis for that attack was notably incorrect. Hopping from place to place to finally land on an existing wagon (with a poor reason for doing so, no less) is good enough to make me want to see him off, and the style/content of his posts on the whole also give off an active lurking vibe.
Should there be a mad eviction scramble while I'm out and I get elected, I also would not object to nuking any of Pesco, Sodium, or possibly Jam or Kefit (or Edible if he doesn't shape up). Less inclined to nuke Sakana since his play has been more newb town mistakes than scummy mistakes.
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Edible: Would like proof, etc, because anyone could've really made up a Name and Role Name(tm).
Pesco: Pretty sure no one really cared about your Kilga vote because they either didn't care who the King was, or were already voting Kilga.
Sakana: Not answering what? Kilga has only asked me why I wasn't evicting, and why I haven't posted in a while. Both of which I answered.
Zak: Bad timing and lack of "firmness"(bolded ## catches peoples attention, seriously) is probably why your case on Nietz isn't really being paid attention to. While I still don't like how you've been playing, your latest post is pretty good.
Not all that related, but "bottom of page four" doesn't really help because some people use different number of posts per page than the default. =V Post numbers are better.
Nietz: Gee, posting "Edible is scum and pushed his own wagon" in a roundabout way sure is constructive.
Whelp, it seems like we probably won't have a majority in terms of evict votes by the end of the day, so the King actually matters more now.
##Vote Roukanken Seems like a good choice. No problems with Kilga either.
##Unevict Zak's latest posts make him look alot better, except for not changing his vote despite saying he would, but we've already went through the whole evict vote argument anyways.
##Evict Nietz I like Zak's case and agree with it(more or less) after going back to read the posts he pointed out, and Nietz's last post really didn't sit well with me. No content, just a light prod to inactive people. Right after a name claim by his target, and into a good portion of the day. It feels like he didn't know what to say about the claim, and was waiting for others to say something about it first.
Sup Kilganinja.
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I'm largely unimpressed by Edibles not-roleclaim. It does nothing to change my stance on him.
And as for Zak's case on me, I can only see it as picking someone and purposely mapping all their actions as having scum intent.
Of course, if he's indeed scum and knows Edible will flip town, it's a good way of setting up tomorrow's lynch. Which would explain his waiting to see if someone buys it before backing it up with an evict vote himself.
I still have a stronger feeling for Edible, but Zakeri would be acceptable too. Though I don't believe one would be scum if the other is.
If Kilga can't be here for deadline I'd be willing to change to Rou or whoever else. Though as long as he's wont to lynch Edible or Zak its fie either way.
Edit: Oh, Kilga did buy into Zak's. Welp, what I say still stands.
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Apathy to who one gives the day-ending vig shot to is anti-town.
Nobody else voted for Kilga before I did.
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Pesco: Really? Could've sworn that someone else voted Kilga before you did.
...Well, apparently you did. Votecounts don't lie(usually). Still, people were apathetic for a long time to who becomes King(because of the evict system), except for Kefit and I think someone else. I'm not in the mood of going over the whole topic to see who cared early on.
Nietz: Then why didn't you say so in your post right after Edible's Name and Role Name claim?
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The Seventh "Toki No Puzzle KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_cqhay0kmI) Vote Count
"Kyon-kun. If I become ruined for marriage, will you take me?"
Mod Note: Damn, missed the page change by 10 pages. Fine, this'll be a courtesy vote count
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (0)
3. Kefit (1): Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (6): Edible, Sakana, Nietz, Bardiche, Roukanken, Kilgamayan
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (3): Pesco, Zakeri, MSB
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (2): Jam, huh what
Kilga is at King minus One
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~9 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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Given I've already called out Nietz for being the worst person on my wagon, I'm more than willing to support his lynch.
Since everyone's asking me to prove my claim...
Tomorrow's daily theme will be centered around The Adventures of Asahina Mikuru, much like today's theme was the chapter "Editor in Chief, straight ahead".
At the beginning of the game, I determined how the game would be played based off certain chapters of the Haruhi novels. While I can't tell you exactly what the rules will be, there may be enough of a hint in the chapter name to be beneficial.
I have every day's gameplan available, but I'd rather not share the whole thing, given scum may be able to discern something from it as well. If you off me, let me know and I'll fill everyone in.
I'd still prefer Kilga over Rou for King, but Kilga won't be around at deadline and Rou most likely will be.
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I don't see how, in any way, Edible's power correlates to "must be town", so the claim is a null tell at best and I am incredibly confused why he thinks this had to be brought out into the open when he could've easily dug himself out of the hole he'd plummeted into.
inb4 roleblock at night and "zoamg edible lied!" I truly and utterly cannot see the benefit of this claim when it wasn't even sure he'd die.
Don't agree with the attack on Nietz regarding ignoring Edible's roleclaim. All Edible did was provide the assertion that he was town (null tell) and that he had a role of indescript power (null tell). I myself ignored it because it didn't tell us anything at all, and as I opened this post with says nothing of alignment.
Do agree with Nietz looking weird. I mentioned it earlier in the day, but I'm still not sure what to think of people who think Edible had something.
Ending the post here before it becomes tl;dr, reading Nietz's posts properly.
Mostly happy with Kilgamayan so far, don't see why people're against him. Happy with Rou, too. Gone over Edible, still mulling if it's just very very bad town play or scummy- inclined to think the former, I just can't imagine scum drawing such heavy attention to themselves.
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Sakana: Not answering what? Kilga has only asked me why I wasn't evicting, and why I haven't posted in a while. Both of which I answered.
Since Kilga claimed to have pressed you the most, I thought he must still have had some unanswered questions. Seems he didn't. That makes me wonder where he pressed you more than the others, but whatever. I'll keep it in mind.
Kilga's longer posts finally let me see more of his stance, and I don't find anything wrong with it.
I can see the points on Nietz, though probably not as clearly as many others due to limited experience. However, his case seems to be the one with the most susbtance yet. Which is, for the last time today, more than enough reason to:
#Unevict
#Evict: Nietz
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I'd prefer Rou for King still, but we're getting to the point where preferences are laid waste in favor of "People who are here now." :ohdear:
And as for Zak's case on me, I can only see it as picking someone and purposely mapping all their actions as having scum intent.
I looked through your posts, and tried mapping it to both scum and town intentions. The way I presented it is the way I think is most likely true. Unless you have another explanation for your actions, you don't have a defense.
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I'm here, and if I'm the only person we can get time on I'm willing to accept kinghood. But as a warning I probably won't be around at absolute deadline (loltimezones) so we'd need to make it quick. I'd be around till about 3 hours before deadline at the latest. :<
Because Kilga definitely won't be around at all, ##Unvote, Vote: Rou
The Edible claim is...hm. While it's definitely confirmable the question is whether it's Town. Probably worth giving him a day and seeing how his play ends up unfolding.
Quick Nietz reread gives 'accusing Sodium of not giving reasoning he actually did give', 'at best restating what's already goddamn obvious about Edible', 'accepting that Bard's jokes were inappropriate' (which is as dumb a point as when Kilga made it), and pretty much nothing else. I'd be fine with seeing him go, though I personally would prefer Zak for all the crap he's pulled. Especially his last minute 'You don't have a defense, Nietz!' here - smells slightly of scum gloating. In the end, I'll go with the majority on this one.
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I knew I forgot to do something.
##unvote
##vote Roukanken
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EBWOP: This unfortunately cuts our discussion time down to Rou's timetable. Can we get two more people to switch to him? (This is precisely why I wanted to get the king thing out of the way ;_;)
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Kay, so. After a quick read I think Edible's still leading the vote tally, but if there's one good thing about Evict votes it's that the presence of a claim is instant. Unless there's a good amount of people who want to take the risk and lynch him anyway, I'd rather not.
Which more or less brings us down to Zak vs. Nietz. And of those two, Nietz is leading in terms of votes. (I haven't been able to look properly given that the votecount hasn't been updated for a while, but Nietz may be in front of Edible as well.) Save a sudden believable, hueg claim from him, I'll go ahead with choosing Nietz today if there are no objections.
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Stream-of-thoughts post, so it'll be thoughts while I read. May be disjumbled, I'll try to keep it relevant as much as possible. Intend to focus on Nietz, Zakeri and Edible, but others might slip when relevant.
Like Zakeri a little better than before the reread. Sure, reasons for voting Rou were stupid (benefited town, can be scum trying to look as town with town cred) but actually brings up a good point re: Edible rolefishing/claimfishing.
Nietz lashing at MSB (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286159#msg286159) for a terrible Day1 case is a terrible Day1 case. His voting for Edible is after that, for reasons that predate the MSB case; looking what sticks?
Nietz is also weird in his latest post. Waiting for Zak etc, he says, whereas his presence has been very little and his posts very small, focusing on one person and jumping to a new one every time save once.
Regarding Edible, he spends the entire day doing nothing but defending his vote against me, yelling I'm scummy, OMGUSing and trying to misrepresent him and... accusing scum of being the reason he's trained on. Also misguided belief that his vote has momentum? Even though he acknowledges his vote is stupid? And downtalks my reasons for voting him as OMGUS? This (http://www.endlessdawn.com/screenshots/psyduck.gif) accurately sums up how I feel about Edible.
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TL;DR I'm fine with Nietz going. Flips around a bit to end on a bandwagon, little activity. Zakeri had the opening :psyduck: of "voting Rou for looking townie", but that can be forgiven as Day1.
##UNEVICT: Edible
##EVICT: Nietz
Mind I'm not sure how I feel about Edible as he's extremely headache-worthy in his actions and I can't make sense of them. Will reevaluate this tomorrow.
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I see no reason why it shouldn't be Rou as king, as long as he carries out what has been decided, so:
#Unvote
#Vote: Roukanken
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Bard, I think we need to hurry on a king wagon if we're gonna have any lynch at all. Mind switching onto me since Kilga won't be around at all?
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What are your feelings on Nietz and Zak in YOUR preference? If you had free reign who'd you lynch?
Completely willing to vote but I need to know this first.
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I retract my question.
##UNVOTE: Kilgamayan
##VOTE: Roukanken
In the end it doesn't matter, this was town decision? Quick count shows Nietz has a majority, correct me if wrong.
Note about my stream-of-thought post: I missed Nietz's actual last post, but it changes nothing.
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What are your feelings on Nietz and Zak in YOUR preference? If you had free reign who'd you lynch?
I would still go for Zak, personally, on a slight edge. Like I said, his 'THERE'S NO ESCAPE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOi7AT6Nutk#t=0m19s)' comment in his last post feels like scum taunting to me. That said, Nietz has definitely been pretty terrible today, and since the majority is on him I'm willing to go with it.
Ninja'd by my coronation, I guess. Waiting to see what sort of catch UK is throwing into this deal. T_T
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The Eighth "SELECT KINGMAKER" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dfp6AagN8Q) Vote Count
"It is difficult to convey in words. Discrepancies may arise during the transmission of data. Regardless, listen..."
1. Jam(0)
2. Nietz (0)
3. Kefit (1): Kefit
4. Kilgamayan (2): Nietz, Kilgamayan
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (7): Pesco, Zakeri, MSB, Roukanken, Edible, Sakana, Bardiche
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (2): Jam, huh what
Rou has reached King count. Isn't it sad, Kilga?
With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect your lord and master (for the day)
Deadline is in ~6 hours at 10 PM EST, Saturday, March 20th
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"Roukanken, really? How is HE a better leader than I am!?"
"Shut up, we decided. I'm pretty sure he'll figure out who we need to expel to get this literary journal done"
"Hmmph!"
Rou is now your king. All hail Rou (for the next 6 hours :V). No more votecounts will be posted for Day 1, merely deadline counts
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So how does he send someone off?
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Oh hey, that could be important. Basically just post something like ##Lynch: PLAYERNAME. Final Destination, No Items, No unvotes
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Nietz, feel like roleclaiming? Sooner rather than later, preferrably, especially since I'm only around for so long. >_>
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I would still go for Zak, personally, on a slight edge. Like I said, his 'THERE'S NO ESCAPE!' comment in his last post feels like scum taunting to me.
I never said there was no escape. In fact that post is telling him what his escape is.
Waiting for Neitz's roleclaim as well.
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I never said there was no escape. In fact that post is telling him what his escape is.
I just don't like the wording, is all. Leaves too big an opening for, if he did give an alternate explanation, something along the lines of 'well, why didn't you say that earlier?'
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What use exactly would scum bussing scum have to set up for a "Why didn't you say so earlier?"
The point of my post was to tell Neitz that his counter argument to my case was a load of crock, and that I wasn't going to let it fly. I'm sorry that it sounds "Gloaty" but you're looking for something that's not there.
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Managed to get on from a Blackberry. Misunderstood the timed nature of the coronation mechanism. Thought king would have extra time to make decision. Fine with this turn of events.
Still up for Nietz getting lynched. Unimpressed by his post. Ambivalent on Edible role claim. Don't think it proves he's town. Not as high a priority, though.
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I looked through your posts, and tried mapping it to both scum and town intentions. The way I presented it is the way I think is most likely true. Unless you have another explanation for your actions, you don't have a defense.
So you are basically confirming what I said about choosing to represent any of my actions as scummy. Saying that they are most likely true that way it's irrelevant because it's entirely dependent on how you decided to portray them. Given that I mentioned in a mater of fact way the reasoning behind all my actions as I did them there's really nothing else to be explained about them.
But oh well, if it helps exposing you, them I don't mind being lynched all that much. I'm just a bit annoyed that town fell for it so easily. It's an old trend I noticed in MotK to swerve away for the solid cases at the end of the day for a more inconsequential one.
Anyway, as I said, I don't believe Zak and Edible are scum together, and though huh what is suspicious too, I'm not sure if he's likely to be together with Zakeri.
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It's an old trend I noticed in MotK to swerve away for the solid cases at the end of the day for a more inconsequential one.
While it won't change anything at this stage, it would be helpful if you could fill us in into what is the 'solid case' here.
Because seemingly it isn't Zak's case, or else people should have been piling up on him instead of supporting the unsecure case on Edible.
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Nietz. Seriously. Claim.
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How does the fact that I'm portraying your actions as scum-minded actions make me scum? If I'm not suppose to be voting people because I think they were acting with scummy intent, then who should I vote for? People who are acting with town intent?
Also,Nietz. Seriously. Claim.
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Welp, no claim from Nietz, he's gone offline, and I need to go to sleep. Looks like we're done for the day.
##LYNCH: NIETZ
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Huh, that works, and I was about to post a deadline notice. Cool. I'll post a flavor scene and we'll have a random 12 hour twilight or something. Enjoy ^-^
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"Nietz! You aren't putting enough into this project, don't you want us to succeed?"
"Y-yes but I just can't think of anything to write about!"
"Well too bad! I bet you WANT us to fail! The SOS Dan has no room for you!"
"W-wait, I can come up with something!"
"Nope, too late, leave the club room now! I think with these 11 and myself we can put out a proper literary journal!"
I meant that, btw. 12 hour twilight (or maybe shorter if I'm lazy), flip and night at dawn. Well, ok, more like 1 PM tomorrow since I have lolchurch. And yes, you may talk about the game during this twilight.
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"night at dawn".
:V :V :/
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Oh my, apparently I'm not dead yet. Well, not much to add before I am that I hadn't before.
How does the fact that I'm portraying your actions as scum-minded actions make me scum?
Because they are not scum-minded, unless you twist them to look that way.
But anyhow, you seem to still be trying to preemptively dodge responsibility for the mislynch just as I mentioned before. As how well it works I guess it will depend on town.
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I don't intent to dodge responsibility for your lynch if you happened to be town. I don't even see how it's possible for me to dodge it. I was the one who started the case on you, and encouraged other people to look into it.
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K, twilight over, Nietz Flip time!
Nietz, Present Mikuru, Townie Neighborizer, Lynched D1
24-48 hours to send in actions, guys.
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Quick reminder: Please do not change your username in the middle of the game. Not everyone keeps track of name changes and some users may become confused.
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After the club is dismissed upon completing the literary journal, a few things happen.
But those don't really matter, so we'll just skip to the next meeting.
"I have decided that we will create a film! Using our very own Asahina Mikuru!"
"Didn't you kick her out yesterday?"
"It's ok! I found another one!"
"You um...wait...how does that...what?"
"She's right...oh"
"Why is there a dead Mikuru here that looks a few years older?"
"I HAVE NO IDEA!"
"Um...this...ok...that's not good."
"Well, no matter! You'll just have to dress as her and be the star!"
"I can't believe you actually expect that of me..."
Rule 19 revoked! Rule 20 Added! PLAYERS MAY NOT UNVOTE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE! So don't go wasting your vote! Also:
Kilgamayan, Future Mikuru, Time Traveller, has been Shot N1
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Well, that was unintentionally goddamn hilarious. <_<
Reread pending. I suggest continued use of ##Evict votes if you don't want to drop your real vote yet.
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The Ninth "Start of Day Three" Vote Count
"I didn?t abduct her. It was voluntary arrest."
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (10): Jam, huh what, Pesco, Zakeri, MSB, Roukanken, Edible, Sakana, Bardiche, Kefit
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in 72 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
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SFX: Tits Tits
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my...OOOHHHHHHH...that'sthejoke.jpg
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Kay, here's my thoughts on everyone as they came off from yesterday:
Jam: I don't actually remember Jam saying anything of use yesterday. The problem is that Jam didn't say much that helped last game, and she was Town then. >_>
Kefit: Has claimed RL issues, so D1 didn't happen. Hopefully he'll have some useful suggestions today.
Pesco: I'm really uncomfortable about Pesco, to be honest. More than anything it's here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288577#msg288577) where he goes for Kilga on the basis of 'He didn't question me voting him for King, therefore he's scum'. Besides that it's going along with Sakana on a pretty bad case anyway, there was the whole nonsense about waiting for Zak and thus not bothering to contribute.
MSB: Besides the early day 1 incident with Nietz, I don't honestly think Sodium had anything to say that held any weight either. Mostly meta, but I'm hoping to hear more.
Edible: Oh good god I have no idea to go here. The claim is genuine, it seems, but that says nothing about alignment anyway. If he doesn't move on beyond 'jokes in votecount = RVS' and 'trying to set up a voting system is pointless', I might just go through with the Edible lynch.
Bard: Got caught up in the whole affair with Edible, mainly. Don't think he did much wrong, if perhaps he did tunnel slightly.
HW: Again, like Jam, I don't remember much useful from HW. He's been around to post votecounts, and asked a few questions, so I don't have much to say against him. Content is slightly better than Jam and MSB.
Sakana: Sakana is...huh. In terms of new-guy mistakes, he seems to have done pretty much everything and then some. Holding back his vote D1 and 'waiting for more info' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286835#msg286835), insistence that asking for information is obnoxious (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286858#msg286858), being okay with his own lynch (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287026#msg287026), taking his vote back and then doing nothing with it again (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287791#msg287791), and randomly deciding that Kilga is pressing Edible the hardest and voting him (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288568#msg288568). I am starting to wonder how much of this is just too ridiculous to pass off as first time Townie, especially since Pesco chimed in with him on the Kilga case for an equally bad reason.
Zak: Following the same path Edible did and saying 'votes don't matter, I can make my evict vote as clear/unclear as I want and it's okay for me to leave my vote somewhere where it does nothing' does not make me like him. The lack of activity up until the Nietz case, which IIRC was based on a point that had happened at least a good day or two earlier, is also not gaining me confidence.
But, since new discussion is what we need rather than getting stuck on yesterday's cases, ##Evict: Pesco. Reasoning for the case on Kilga was crap, even for you.
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Pesco started the awful case on me as well, for what it's worth.
Incidentally, and this is completely not game related, but I can vouch for Kefit's absence D1.
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I don't recall my case on Kilga being a copypasta of Sakana's. I had my approach and he had his own. I think my steps were laid out pretty clearly. Read better. Btw, since when were you so good at measuring my standards? :smug:
Is that some cheerleading by Teh_Foodstuff without doing any hunting?
I'm busy tonight. Reread and Evict tomorrow night.
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Sorry for the sudden inactivity during the latter half of D1, I'm currently grounded (and I probably shouldn't even be posting this right now hurrr) and didn't actually get the chance to post until it was night phase. I'll try to whip up a post soon.
Will you require replacement or are you free enough to tough it out?
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I am starting to wonder how much of this is just too ridiculous to pass off as first time Townie, especially since Pesco chimed in with him on the Kilga case for an equally bad reason.
Well, the only defense I could give for my actions is that I'm only used to playing Mafia offline, and obviously playing the same way online doesn't work. I'm not going to hide behind that kind of excuse though, I'll just continue playing, try my best, however little it may be, and see where it leads me.
Anyway, I'll only be able to look over things a bit more thoroughly in the morning, and hopefully get some ideas, so I can't say anything about possible suspicions right now.
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Will you require replacement or are you free enough to tough it out?
I can still probably find a way to get online for a bit, so I don't think I need a replacement.
Alright, I trust ya :P
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Doing HMWK right now. Will post later tonight.
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All these people chiming in with excuses what is this!!
Unexpectably hilarious flips. Both Mikurus? One after the other? :psyduck:
Not much to say on the day's restriction yet, curious when the "further notice" comes, don't want my post edited by mod, kthx.
Don't like Roukanken's list of observations, whole lot of text and means fairly little since it's mostly uncertain feelings. Can't substantiate this beyond much of warm and fuzzy feelings, but I have my eye trained on you. And if I'm busy using it, I'll train someone else's eye on you... anyone up to lending one?
Jokes aside.
##VOTE: Roukanken, since he's basically trying to paint everyone in a bad light with that wall of text from him. There's a fault with everyone, however slight, and painting suspicions on all the living players only stirs up paranoia and serves town none.
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oh screw me sideways I meant to Evict. ##EVICT: Roukanken
>_> ##UNVOTE: Roukanken?!
Too bad. It's stuck
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Way to commit your vote already.
And it doesn't look good.
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##VOTE: Roukanken, since he's basically trying to paint everyone in a bad light with that wall of text from him. There's a fault with everyone, however slight, and painting suspicions on all the living players only stirs up paranoia and serves town none.
Saying that several people need to contribute more doesn't really count as 'painting them in a bad light' as much as it's 'start existing, whatever you are'. Normally Lynch All Lurkers would be in effect, but when about half the game is guilty of it then you sort of have to draw the line. >_>
I'd rather make my discontent with the lurkers obvious rather than let them think their lack of contribution is tolerated. I've made several bigger points against the people I do want to follow, so I don't see why I can be seen as passing around paranoia.
In the 'blatantly obvious' category, though, GJ talking about how votes are permanent and then throwing a vote on your first post of the day. T_T
I don't recall my case on Kilga being a copypasta of Sakana's. I had my approach and he had his own.
One person making a bad case is iffy. Two on the same person is outright suspicious.
I think my steps were laid out pretty clearly. Read better.
'No-one objected to me making a move to elect a king, THEREFORE THE PERSON I VOTED MUST BE SCUM'? Not seeing the brilliant logic here.
I'm busy tonight. Reread and Evict tomorrow night.
Not busy enough to miss Bard's vote, apparently. >_>
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Currently still kind of suspicious of Zakeri, I'm finding it odd how he disappears for a bit while people are questioning him then attempts to shove the pressure on Nietz based on an issue from a while ago as soon as he gets back. Then he tries to redirect pressure to Nietz again in post #191. Once people start switching over to Nietz, he accuses Nietz of having no real defense while seemingly ignoring Nietz's actual post that he was apparently responding to. Plus he never actually answered my question about if he had any other reasons for keeping his vote on Rou over switching to Edible... unless what he said about his Rouvote being for reactions was supposed to answer that, but if so, it doesn't do a very good job at it.
@ Zakeri:
How does the fact that I'm portraying your actions as scum-minded actions make me scum?
I'm pretty sure he meant that portraying seemingly neutral actions as scum-minded is scummy because, you know, it's misleading and causes unnessecary suspicion? But then again I'm no spirit medium and I can't speak for the dead, so.
Also, @ Bard:
Zakeri had the opening :psyduck: of "voting Rou for looking townie", but that can be forgiven as Day1.
What about everything else he's tried to pull? "Town doesn't care about looking town", the whole Edible voteswitch problem (though to be honest that doesn't count for much at this point), and so on. Plus, just about every early mistake could be forgiven on the grounds that it's day 1, but that does not make it any less of a mistake.
Sakana's actions seem rather fishy (hurrrr) as well. Aside from basically saying "don't call me out on mistakes!" in post #179, he evicts Kilga... yet keeps his vote on him? I don't understand what he intended to accomplish by this, why would somebody ever want a person who they think seems suspicious enough to be evicted to be the King? His reason for evicting Kilga makes little sense either since Edible wasn't looking particuarily pro-town (the shaky "roleclaim" doesn't even suggest anything about his alignment), so wanting him dead shouldn't really be considered a crime. Then later he switches to Nietz because he "thinks the case against him seems to have the most substance", and apparently because of his limited experience he can't actually look into it himself beyond that, so it just seems like he's saying "Oh hey, a bandwagon! * Jumps on *"
I'm going to give Sakana the benifit of doubt since he appears to have "THE NEWBIE EXCUSE" (lol hypocrisy), but to be honest some of what he has said just seems kind of outlandish. Zakeri, however, has not been very convincing, especially since he was pushing the case on Nietz the most. Definitely keeping my eye on Sakana in the future, though.
##Evict: Zakeri
Also lol at Bard's permavote.
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Also, early evictcount:
Pesco (1): Roukanken
Zakeri (1): huh what
Roukanken (1): Bardiche
I'm going to assume we're going to let Bard still unevict even if his vote is set in stone? Since the evict system is just "imaginary" ( <- bad wording) anyway.
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Bard: HMWK>Mafier
Also, lol.
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Not in the mood to write anything long.
##Evict Jam
Tunnels on Edible for all of Day 1.
Unevicts Edible after he claims to be able to be able to prove his role(which was true, but she didn't know that at the time, but the initial claim had little to no proof). Jam's reaction seemed like she knew it was "true"(in the sense that Edible=Town) which only an informed minority(scum) would know, and quickly jumped off the wagon. Other reason she said for unevicting was because she wouldn't be here at the end of the day, which wouldn't be that bad in conjunction with Edible claiming to say proof later but...
Does not put her evict onto anything else after her unevict of Edible, and does not vote for a king, which makes no sense because it's would've been better to have something down if you're not going to be able to post at the deadline, whether it was an evict, or a vote for someone to be king. This is bad because she does not pitch in her opinion on who she wants to lynch.
Other people in a later post.
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Posting mostly to say I'm alive.
I went out Saturday [like I told you all I would] and then spent Sunday packing to leave.
School started again and my laptop isn't connecting to the Internet in my dorm room for some reason so... yeah...
I've just finished a butt ton of work and it's almost 1 am so I require sleep.
I'll read and contribute tomorrow at some point.
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in post #179, he evicts Kilga... yet keeps his vote on him? I don't understand what he intended to accomplish by this, why would somebody ever want a person who they think seems suspicious enough to be evicted to be the King?
I did that because we had agreed that the kings would be dead meat if they didn't follow the majority eviction, even if it meant for the king to suicide.
His reason for evicting Kilga makes little sense either since Edible wasn't looking particuarily pro-town
I'm pretty sure I laid out why I couldn't see Edible's ections as that of a cornered scum, even if he didn't look much like town either. So I tried to look for other noteworthy people and, well, failed.
"Oh hey, a bandwagon! * Jumps on *"
As bad as that makes me look, this is what I did. I could understand the points that were being made about Nietz, I wouldn't have been able to make the case on my own though.
Also, Rou: Could you please explain why you seem to have both misread my and Pesco's reasons for evicting Kilga? Because it makes me want to look into the stuff you wrote about the other players and see if you didn't misrepresent something there as well.
randomly deciding that Kilga is pressing Edible the hardest and voting him
I didn't say he was pressing Edible. I said he was pressing people starting to deviate form the Edible-case. I found it apparent after he called out to the people who were going to file Edible town after his claim at once. With his town-flip, this becomes void of course, but I just wanted to make it clear.
Same for Pesco's case
where he goes for Kilga on the basis of 'He didn't question me voting him for King, therefore he's scum'
Where did he say that? He never referred to the king-votes in that post, only to the Evicts on Edible.
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I didn't say he was pressing Edible. I said he was pressing people starting to deviate form the Edible-case. I found it apparent after he called out to the people who were going to file Edible town after his claim at once. With his town-flip, this becomes void of course, but I just wanted to make it clear.
"It looks to me like the one who wants Edible dead the most at the moment is Kilga"? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288568#msg288568)
The point is that he'd been pressing Sodium all day, as he himself said (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288654#msg288654) and you agreed with (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288659#msg288659).
In other words, your only piece of original opinion is outright incorrect.
Where did he say that? He never referred to the king-votes in that post, only to the Evicts on Edible.
That would be here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288620#msg288620), all of four posts after the one I linked to.
Either you're doing a really bad job of misrepping me, or you're not reading the thread properly. And why are you so eager to speak in Pesco's defense, exactly?
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Short post first. Obv Rou doesn't know how to read my entire post.
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The point is that he'd been pressing Sodium all day, as he himself said (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288654#msg288654) and you agreed with (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288659#msg288659).
In other words, your only piece of original opinion is outright incorrect.
I'd say wanting to see someone dead and pressing them is two different matters. In fact, why should one press a person they want dead when the victim already does nothing to defend themselves.
Also I only agreed that he called Sodium 'more pressing', while both I and Sodium himself couldn't even see where he was supposed to be 'pressed hardest'. And I still don't see it, to be honest.
Either it was too subtle, or we have different understandings of 'pressing'.
As for Pesco: Okay, I overlooked the quotes you made in your response to him, my fault. But that's why I was asking, to get that cleared up.
I'm not trying to defend him here, and I can't remember doing it before. Pesco is high on my mental list of suspicious people, for pretty much the reasons you stated.
However, there seemed to be some inconsistency in your reasoning on him, that's what I called out to.
It'll be interesting to see his response to you.
Btw, had I asked about your reasoning on any of the other players, would that count as 'being eager to defend X' as well?
Either you're doing a really bad job of misrepping me, or you're not reading the thread properly
I could say the same about you misrepping me, you know?
About the thread, yes, I admit I'm not picking apart every little word in every post, and I'm not always rereading the whole thread after everything that's been said. Because I have a life outside of this thread, and because this is a game. When I play a game, I want to have fun, not make myself a mental wreck.
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I'd say wanting to see someone dead and pressing them is two different matters. In fact, why should one press a person they want dead when the victim already does nothing to defend themselves.
Besides convincing other people to go along with you?
Also I only agreed that he called Sodium 'more pressing', while both I and Sodium himself couldn't even see where he was supposed to be 'pressed hardest'. And I still don't see it, to be honest.
Either it was too subtle, or we have different understandings of 'pressing'.
Sodium, why are you not voting to evict anyone?
I'd also like to see an exile vote down from you, though you're a less pressing concern than Sodium.
Would also like to know where Sodium went.
These references found by reading through Kilga's posts for all of 5 minutes.
Btw, had I asked about your reasoning on any of the other players, would that count as 'being eager to defend X' as well?
No. The point was that you happened to come to the defense of the only other person to suggest evicting Kilga yesterday.
And by saying that I had misrepped Pesco, rather than letting Pesco defend himself - that isn't asking about reasoning, that's out-and-out defense.
About the thread, yes, I admit I'm not picking apart every little word in every post, and I'm not always rereading the whole thread after everything that's been said. Because I have a life outside of this thread, and because this is a game. When I play a game, I want to have fun, not make myself a mental wreck.
Serious answer: There's a difference between 'not taking the game seriously' and 'not paying attention'. Town WANTS to read carefully in order to find scum; scum don't need to worry about hunting so much as they want to look like they're hunting.
Joke answer: You're playing on the wrong forum, then. :V
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Screw dem nice Quote boxes. Text only and capital Q's.
Rou: Your link about me talking about the king-votes is only circumstantial because I was responding to your Question about why I king-voted Kilga in the first place. The main point I brought up was the lack of scumhunting on his part. Preferring to be laconic is no excuse.
You say that I and Sakana made iffy cases on Kilga. By that, you admit that our cases are different. By the same measure of iffy cases, what do you say of Zak and the other people on Nietz wrt their case?
You also know exactly what I was busy with when I made those posts and you understand that I could not pay attention at that time for analysis.
Bard: Is Rou going MOARSCUMDAKKA as bad as Zak's approach on Nietz? I don't think it's such a strong tell on Rou and calling him for IIoA would have made a more compelling reason.
As Rou also pointed out, you were Quite aware of the rule in effect and made your hard vote. Stuff like that pings scummy for me because your vote is now a throwaway.
Sakana: It standsd out to me that your main focus yesterday was Nietz, Kilga, Edible and Zak. Two dead, who are your scum now?
Sodium: You make a post, that's nice. So why is Jam scummy? Same old IIoA crap you always do.
I've read Zak in isolation to try understand his case on Nietz. Tbh, I don't see much. He made the initial suspicion and then people piled on.
Whether Edible's claim is true or not, I'm comfortable enough to switch my eviction to Neitz now.
This was what he said when making his 'switch'. There's no syntax stating it clearly enough for us and is open to misrep. It seems like it leaves room for backtracking, which was also in his 'I'll evict edible too' comment. Overall I think Zak did more pushing on Edible without really tying himself too strongly to the wagon.
##Evict Zak
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Rou: Your link about me talking about the king-votes is only circumstantial because I was responding to your Question about why I king-voted Kilga in the first place. The main point I brought up was the lack of scumhunting on his part. Preferring to be laconic is no excuse.
I've already mentioned things like his poking of Sodium when talking to Sakana. I don't think your claim of a lack of scumhunting holds, especially given that he was easily contributing more than, say, Jam or HW.
You say that I and Sakana made iffy cases on Kilga. By that, you admit that our cases are different. By the same measure of iffy cases, what do you say of Zak and the other people on Nietz wrt their case?
Like I said, two bad cases on the same guy are suspicious.
I think the Nietz case was valid in that he made genuine stupid mistakes. What I don't like about it is that Zak pulled it out at the last minute rather than when it had happened, making it look less like scumhunting and more like saving his own skin by not contributing until the last minute.
You also know exactly what I was busy with when I made those posts and you understand that I could not pay attention at that time for analysis.
Noted. I'll concede this point.
Damn, I'd forgotten how much playing here wore away at my sanity. T_T
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These references found by reading through Kilga's posts for all of 5 minutes.
And those were also pretty much all the references to Sodium he made, as far as I can recall. He made about the same number, or more, to me. Anyway, this is nothing that leads both of us to anything, so I guess we should drop this matter for now.
And by saying that I had misrepped Pesco, rather than letting Pesco defend himself - that isn't asking about reasoning, that's out-and-out defense.
I saw two potential flaws in you reasoning. Only pointing to the one about me would have brought me nothing if I wanted to find out if there were more. That's why I referenced both. That it happened to be on Pesco's case was coincidence. I can see how it appeared as suspicious though.
Serious answer: There's a difference between 'not taking the game seriously' and 'not paying attention'. Town WANTS to read carefully in order to find scum; scum don't need to worry about hunting so much as they want to look like they're hunting.
I hope you can believe me that I take the game serious. I have no idea how to read deep enough into things to make cases yet though, so I'm trying to keep it at maintaining a general overview for myself >_<
Okay, now for answering Pesco's call: I wouldn't consider Nietz my main focus, as I only jumped on. The other three are true however. As my opinion on Edible's weird way of 'defending' still stands, that leaves Zakeri.
In addition to what you already stated, it could also be noted that he had to specifically call attention to his case on Nietz, because it went unnoticed when he stated it the first time.
Zak, you said you'd take responsibility for a Nietz-mislynch, now show it:
#Evict: Zakeri
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Forgot this earlier.
@ Roukanken: I don't really understand your evict against Pesco. As far as I can see from what he said in the post where he evicted Kilga, it was for not scum-hunting and because of how abrupt/"I agree" Kilga's vote on Edible was, he only brought up how nobody questioned his vote on Kilga afterwards. I'm not saying his case on Kilga was good, but it seems to me like you were basing your evict off of one post which wasn't even Pesco's original reason for evicting Kilga. I find this confusing, as you must have read Pesco's original post evicting Kilga since you responded to part of it at one point, but your post evicting Pesco seems to imply that Pesco evicted Kilga just over something else. You even linked to Pesco's original post instead of the one that brought that point up (unless my browser is being sucky). Am I just being derpy and overlooking something, or can you clarify/expand on this a little? Did you forget the contents of the post or something?
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HW: Like I said, the evict on Pesco was for the sake of information. Everything that Zak has done is pretty clear, so I was intending to let him talk before I dropped a vote on him. Given that he's disappeared, though...:V
Think that's been a day. Any sign of Jam or Zak?
In terms of linking to the wrong post, I wrote the wall up in a hurry and linked the post where I saw him vote Kilga, and I remembered taking offense to him claiming that Kilga trusting him made him obvscum. >_>
Still, the point I took offense to in general is clear, and I mentioned other points like 'hanging around waiting for Zak and not contributing to Edible discussion' and 'conveniently timing his case to go with Sakana's'. Kilga's supposed lack of scumhunting was a point I looked over after discussion arose and found to be equally unconvincing.
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Oh hey this thread is finally open at a time after my finals are over when I'm not busy with social engagements. Never thought I would see that happen.
Edible's roleclaim shenanigans yesterday bug the hell out of me. Sure, we know that his role is likely true, but it does absolutely nothing to prove that he is town. It's a role that could easily be held by a scum.
I'm even less impressed with Jam's response to Edible's roleclaim (here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288527#msg288527), here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288535#msg288535), and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288538#msg288538)). Her posts are short and lack proper analysis or real thoughts on the matter. She just says "ooh interesting" and backs off with her vote. Kilga's subsequent posts do a fantastic job of pointing out the problem's with Jam's response. In short, it seems like she latched on to Edible's roleclaim as a chance for her to Do Something (aka Appear Active) as scum without having to face the risks of attempting to act like town in early game when scum have vastly more info than town.
At first I thought that both Jam and Edible might be scum, but looking back on the D1 vote record I find that Jam placed the third evict vote on Edible at a point when no other player had more than one evict vote. If Jam and Edible were both scum then I doubt Jam would vote for his eviction under such circumstances.
Evict: Jam
As luck would have it, I will be gone most of today on a social outing. I should be back tomorrow though.
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@ Rou: That explains a bit I guess. Meh. I must have missed the post (or part of it) where you mentioned timing the case with Sakana's though.
Pretty sure Jam was online yesterday after D2 started but didn't post anything.
Evictcount update:
Pesco (1): Roukanken
Zakeri (3): huh what, Pesco, Sakana
Roukanken (1): Bardiche
Jam (2): Sodium, Kefit
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I would laugh at Bard's permavote if I was more certain about Bard's alignment, or even less about Rou's. As it stands, it's not funny.
Any defense I could come up with for leading the crusade on Neitz would just be useless WiFoM. I'll leave it at this: I really did think he was scum.
I'm going to be spending the better part of the day catching up.
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Jam's Lack Of Everything is bad, but like with Zak I want to at least give her a chance to talk.
On that note, Zak's return consists of...a promise of a reread at the end of the day. I'm hoping he's meaning RL day here, and even that may be too long given that we don't have a lot of time to decide a target since that no-one can put a vote down until they're totally decided. Worst case scenario is people get divided on wagons and we get no lynch. :|
I'm waiting to see what he comes up with, but so far I'm still not liking him.
Reading comprehension is CLEARLY not your speciality. I advise you reread the rules and get back to me.
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We could always just hammer the person who the majority had evicted near the end of the day since we're still using evicts and all. Might not be the best solution though.
I would still really like to hear answers from Zakeri. His "I exist" post explains nothing.
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Uh, on second thought, how could we even get a nolynch? Since Bard already voted it's pretty much impossible at this point unless we vote for one.
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It'll be a question of 'when do we draw the line and decide on a lynch'? If we do it too early we'll cut discussion short; too late and there won't be enough people around to bring about a lynch.
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I'm busy and probably won't be able to post until tomorrow. Just letting you know.
No, my vote was an accident. I'm terribly sorry, I wasn't thinking straight, my mind thought vote and so I wrote vote but I meant to evict.
UK: Please, even as the mod, no personal attacks. I'm not too familiar with "bastard modding" but if it means snarky comments every now and again, please try to at least keep them civil. If Rou said something inaccurate someone will point it out from the players.
You're right, that was far too rude honestly. I apologize for that, Rou. At any rate, the point I'm making is that if you read rule...5 I think, you'll see no lynch is impossible unless you vote for it
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EBWOP:
Reading comprehension is CLEARLY not your speciality. I advise you reread the rules and get back to me.
Can't unvote until further notice = You'd better be damn sure of your suspect before you lay down a vote. Where am I failing reading comprehension?
Or not given the Bard ninja. I'm willing to buy that it was a mistake, because I don't see how scum benefits from it first of all.
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Uh, on second thought, how could we even get a nolynch? Since Bard already voted it's pretty much impossible at this point unless we vote for one.
I think that's why UK said Rou sucks at reading. How did he even get Librarian for being so incompetent? :V
Of the people making 'I exist' posts, Kefit's is most townie and I'm feeling good about giving him the clear for now.
Sodium needs to exist more and so does Donut and Bard. Apathy is what let's scum steamroll the game every time. So get off your bums!
Cut: I don't care about what you've said. Let me post damnit!
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Or not given the Bard ninja. I'm willing to buy that it was a mistake, because I don't see how scum benefits from it first of all.
This is a bit of a stretch, but scum could change their stance on whoever they permavoted if things look bad but still potentially get said target lynched because of the vote. It wouldn't work very well, though.
@ Pesco: ...Donut isn't in this game, is he?
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I think that's why UK said Rou sucks at reading. How did he even get Librarian for being so incompetent? :V
Still not seeing why 'people arguing over lynches with no clear leader' isn't a problem here. Yesterday we had Edible leading, and after he got away with his claim the Nietz wagon was next up. We aren't even getting many Evict votes today, so it might be hard to get a majority vote at this rate.
And can I ask that you stop copying the GM in mocking me? :<
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OH GOD DONUT IS IN THE GAME AND HASN'T POSTED YET OBVSCUM ;_;
Anyway, home from work. I've been rereading here and there when I've had time, will provide insight before I hit the sack tonight.
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@ Pesco: ...Donut isn't in this game, is he?
This (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5069.msg263717#msg263717) is Donut.
Took me long enough to find it.
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Reading between classes, but since I was about to leave and got to this, I'll address it.
Cases and stuff will come after I'm back in like 2 and a half hours, and I finish reading.
##Evict Jam
Tunnels on Edible for all of Day 1.
Unevicts Edible after he claims to be able to be able to prove his role(which was true, but she didn't know that at the time, but the initial claim had little to no proof). Jam's reaction seemed like she knew it was "true"(in the sense that Edible=Town) which only an informed minority(scum) would know, and quickly jumped off the wagon. Other reason she said for unevicting was because she wouldn't be here at the end of the day, which wouldn't be that bad in conjunction with Edible claiming to say proof later but...
Does not put her evict onto anything else after her unevict of Edible, and does not vote for a king, which makes no sense because it's would've been better to have something down if you're not going to be able to post at the deadline, whether it was an evict, or a vote for someone to be king. This is bad because she does not pitch in her opinion on who she wants to lynch.
I pretty much just stuck to Edible because he seemed the most shady next to Zak, who wasn't giving me anything else to look at by not posting.
I don't see how you think me unevicting implies I knew that Edible was town.
It was basically just to prevent his number of evicts from getting "too" high [in the case just a majority I suppose since they aren't official votes] so that we could hear out his proof. [or rather you guys could since I wasn't around]
It was kind of silly for me to not evict someone else after that, but my second choice was surely Zak who was also close to having a vast majority so I figured it'd be best to just not have a vote in at all so as not to mess with whatever new information was bound to come in. [I also didn't expect to be gone for 3 whole days... I thought it would be 1, sorry]
As far as voting for a King goes, I actually had intended to vote for Kilga. I changed my mind when I saw that he was at L-2 for King if I voted and as we hadn't chosen someone to lynch for sure [Edible seemed to be the choice, but his claim changed all this] I thought I shouldn't bring someone so close to King as they could just make assumptions or lynch without waiting for the rest of the players to come to a consensus.
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The Tenth "Koi No Mikuru Densetsu" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM3lPuWFPvk) Vote Count
"M-M-MIKURU BIIIIIIIIIIIMU!"
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (1): Bardiche
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting ⑨: Jam, huh what, Pesco, Zakeri, MSB, Roukanken, Edible, Sakana, Kefit
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is in ~43 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
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Pesco: Sorry for doing homework first. =V
Donut's obvscum; he hasn't requested a replacement.
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Jam: There's a difference between sticking onto someone, and tunneling. You said almost nothing that wasn't related to Edible or the case on Edible. I also saw no mentions of Zakeri suspicion in any of your posts.
Evict votes don't have any actual power over when the day ends. Also, Edible's name claim had about no backing at all, yet you still unevicted. It's the fact that you unevicted over something so vague, yet you were focusing completely on said person, that makes me think you're scum. You dropped all your pressure on Edible much too easily for someone who talked about Edible the whole day. The last point was just you being horribly anti-town, which I felt was worth mentioning.
Pesco: Above
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Zakeri needs to post. Day 1 case still applies.
Sakana has said a lot of questionable stuff, but I don't see scummy intent in what he says. More clueless than scummy.
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I'm busy tomorrow. Also, won't be here at deadline(school).
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Pesco: Above
what
Are you saying what applies to Jam applies to Pesco? Because I don't see it
I do kind of agree about Sakana seeming more clueless than scummy after his recent posts however.
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So why is Jam scummy?
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Oh. I'm dumb.
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With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in ~43 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
But... aren't there only 10 alive? >>;
The wonders of copy and paste
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^ Oh okay. I was fearing some crazy effect or something that would be strange but somehow not unexpected.
Anyway, I finished reading, yay?
I suppose I'll address Sodium first since his posts against me are right up there so it'll be neater.
I kind of assumed people could infer that I had suspicions on Zak as I also stated I'd like to see him post.
I'll be more straightforward in the future...
As far as today goes...
I don't really know what to make of Bard's accidental vote. It is possible that he did it on purpose, but Bard is generally a pretty defensive player and voting accidentally seems like something he'd do. >>
Kefit: The reason I haven't been active is because I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND. You of all people should get this.
If I appear in the thread for a bit, it's generally cuz I have a bit of time online that isn't being spent doing work, and I'm checking on things like vote count or just seeing how much I'll have to read when I have time...
Rou's posts seems sound to me. He's the one who has said the most which isn't really good or bad, but I don't really see any scumminess from him, much less reason for Bard to vote for him.
Sakana, you're not doing much for yourself. As someone who can't really pull arguments together on my own, I get how you feel... I'll still be keeping an eye on you though as the things you've messed up are many.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to evict Zak after all this.
Reasons don't really need to be restated.
Plus, he hasn't posted save for 9 hours ago saying he'd work on it.
Yes I know I'm the same, but I can change my evict if he posts something that compels me to do so.
Thus: Evict Zakeri
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Kefit: The reason I haven't been active is because I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND. You of all people should get this.
If I appear in the thread for a bit, it's generally cuz I have a bit of time online that isn't being spent doing work, and I'm checking on things like vote count or just seeing how much I'll have to read when I have time...
I'm pretty sure the reason why people have been complaining about you up until now wasn't because of your inactivity, but because when you did post, it seemed to have little to no content beyond repeating what others have said.
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EBWOP for clarification: When I talk about your posts I mean the ones from D1, since my post probably sounded like I was talking about what you just posted.
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Pesco reread:
Mindhax (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg285928#msg285928) mindhax (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286830#msg286830) mindhax (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287767#msg287767). Why he's constantly bringing this up is beyond me. The last one is the worst because "I have a theory, but I won't explain it!" is irritating and incredibly gotcha-inducing.
Meaningless wifom. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286222#msg286222)
Very weak callout (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287802#msg287802) on Jam's... very weak voting record.
Not gonna bother linking all of them, but he spends a fair bit of time throwing dirt on Kilga late Day 1 after the switch.
Jam reread:
All of Jam's posts were essentially the same: meaningless, or coattailing some vote train somewhere. The only point in Jam's favor is that scum hopefully wouldn't be this obvious about acting like an informed minority trying to look townie... and that ain't much of a point.
Postponing Zakeri reread for now; I'm familiar enough with his Day 1 material already. Logic says movements are too unusual for town, gut and meta says movements are too unlike scumZak for him to be mafia.
Those three have the most dirt on them, though I'm also keeping my eye on Bard (lol Edible you're such a kidder). For a newbie, Sakana's done little to draw my ire. HW and Kefit have produced enough to get a pass from me today, and Rou and MSG are probably the towniest of the lot right now.
pesco and Jam are tied for eviction in my eyes.
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Reread complete: Here's an Analysis in Mod presented Order:
All of Jam's posts worth looking at for day one are about how much Edible should be lynched. Especially Ironic was post 125, where Jam calls out Edible of Tunneling on Bard.
Post 280 scares me, since it implies I'm her scumpartner. She admits that most of her prods on edible were made because it was easy to poke him, and even easier to ignore me. Her excuse for not re-evicting was to prevent a misinformed wagonshifting, which I'm surprised no one has called out as preventing my lynch yet. I should be grateful but this is really making me paranoid.
The unevict happened after I first made my case on Neitz as well. Did you take that into consideration when you made your unevict back then?
I kind of assumed people could infer that I had suspicions on Zak as I also stated I'd like to see him post.
This doesn't really work, since you never said anything directly about me until hopefully your next post after mine (Voting me for "Reasons that don't need to be restated" isn't anything direct either)
The jump from Edible to me today is just basic bandwagon hopping at it's finest.
Kefit: I'd like to Ask Pesco, MSB, and anyone else who is giving Kefit a pass for today why they're so comfortable just handing it out to him? He's only made two posts this game, as far as I can recall. I know I've given passes to people only posting once a phase, but bofh usually offers analysis on more than two people a day.
Pesco: Being unhelpful is sort of Pesco's defining character trait (which ironically is why Pesco is so unhelpful) So I give some lax on waiting for my response so eagerly, since he was only of several people who did the same.
From post 97 - 180, Pesco's attention turns to poking and prodding Sakana's poor decisions. People seem to be sidestepping this issue, since everyone is happy with playing the newbie card for Sakana, but we do realize all of the mistakes that were made, and Pesco seemed much more interesting in the "Teach but not punish" approach, which I don't think is something Pesco would follow so politely. Rou's point about the separate but equal(ly bad) cases on Kilga being suspicious is what really ties this together, though.
I think knowing Pesco's flip would give us quite a bit of insight into whether we should be pampering Sakana or not.
Edible: The last half of day one is just you digging a 2x6x6 ft hole in the ground. It's hard to forgive in 134 where you backpedal on your Opportunistic claim on me and Jam. You really should have taken that point and run with it, especially since it seems true for Jam. Your tag onto the Neitz wagon also pretty halfhearted, as when you do you say he was the "Worst person on your wagon" as you "Mentioned before". The only time I remember you mentioning it before was in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288012#msg288012) where you actively discard it over your vote on Bard that you had "no reason to switch from"
The only notable thing I've seen from you on day 2 besides the post just above is the cheerleading on Pesco post you made after Rou's Omniopinion.
Since quantifying my desire for bloodspill prevents people from rapping on me for not taking responsibility for opinions I posted, and cases I made and pushed and am now trying to own up to, I'll go ahead and post a list in order from first to last in terms of vote options:
1. Pesco
2. Jam
3. Edible
4. Kefit
(Note: The reason Sakana is not on this list is because I'd rather go through Pesco first)
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I don't think I've been that soft on Sakana since I've not let him off for the newbie excuses. The common idea given by how many newbie passes he's gotten reads to me that it won't get me anywhere if I press it.
Kefit's Evict-Jam post is the probably the best post we've got the entire day. His content makes up for the absence compared to everyone else's fluff. At worst he is only lurker but by no means as bad lazy town as the others.
Jam's 280 is pretty bad as Zak is pointing out. Looking at 287
I kind of assumed people could infer that I had suspicions on Zak as I also stated I'd like to see him post.
I'll be more straightforward in the future...
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I'm going to have to evict Zak after all this.
Reasons don't really need to be restated.
Plus, he hasn't posted save for 9 hours ago saying he'd work on it.
Yes I know I'm the same, but I can change my evict if he posts something that compels me to do so.
Thus: Evict Zakeri
Leaving it open-ended is not good enough and scummy-ambivalence. Saying that you're "going to have to" leaves room for backtrack which deserves more hate. Zak pointing out the buddying is blargharghWIFOM with a chacne of bussing. Fine with either of them hanging today.
Evictcount update:
Pesco (1): Roukanken
Zakeri (4): Jam, huh what, Pesco, Sakana
Roukanken (1): Bardiche
Jam (2): Sodium, Kefit
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I think knowing Pesco's flip would give us quite a bit of insight into whether we should be pampering Sakana or not.
While the consequences of a Pesco scum-flip would be horrible for me, I agree with Zak.
I have tied myself to Pesco far more than I would like. When he called, I jumped, and it pains me to say that I didn't even always realize that myself until after I did a reread of Pesco's posts and my reactions.
I passed it off as 'he wants me to try and play' first, but it has gotten umcomfortable. And from what you said, Zak, it doesn't seem to be his usual style. More opinions on this would be welcomed.
I'll try to look into the new case on Jam later.
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At any rate, the point I'm making is that if you read rule...5 I think, you'll see no lynch is impossible unless you vote for it
Gah. Apologies, I just remembered yesterday being ZOMG WE NEED A KING VOTED BEFORE DEADLINE and assumed it was the norm. :|
Actually, I screwed up and crossed out parts I shouldn't have. I still would have made it so the king would be elected by most votes, not necessarily majority
So, the end result of Jam's reread is basically 'I meant to do useful stuff yesterday, Edible was the most suspicious person besides Zak (who, y'know, I didn't bother voting afterwards) and now I'll just jump on the Zak wagon'? Not very impressive, in all honesty.
Post 280 scares me, since it implies I'm her scumpartner.
Why would you mention this? Ever? At best it's WIFOM, at worst it's just plain pointless.
Kefit: I'd like to Ask Pesco, MSB, and anyone else who is giving Kefit a pass for today why they're so comfortable just handing it out to him? He's only made two posts this game, as far as I can recall. I know I've given passes to people only posting once a phase, but bofh usually offers analysis on more than two people a day.
Claiming RL reasons for the lurking, no objections with his actual content, no reason to spend time risking a mislynch when there's nothing to really suggest he's scum?
Zak's cases seem more or less sensible. Results probably speak louder than words here, though, given that yesterday's case on Nietz seemed solid as well. It's enough to knock him back a little in my suspicions though.
I don't think I've been that soft on Sakana since I've not let him off for the newbie excuses.
Yes, a second imaginary vote on top of the Evict system isn't 'letting him off'. And I've already covered the strangely coincidental timing of your two cases on Kilga.
Sakana's 'I think we should lynch Pesco even if it screws me over' doesn't feel quite right to me. He doesn't give any reasoning other than that his coaching has become 'uncomfortable'. Smells slightly of last-minute bussing to try and salvage some Town cred.
Holding where I am for now, with my preferences being Pesco > Jam = Zak (if Pesco is Town, the points against Sakana are mostly moot). Edible has posted all of once usefully, but at least now he seems to be playing seriously.
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You guys have simply said 'Sakana is newb, leave him for later' while I've pressed him for his mistakes. Never had I said that he's free to screw up because he is newb. In fact I know he isn't so inexperienced because I was aware of him playing mafia IRL and participated in his topic (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=4175.msg183609#msg183609) about making a mafia forum in German.
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You guys have simply said 'Sakana is newb, leave him for later'
These (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287839#msg287839) don't count? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288613#msg288613)
while I've pressed him for his mistakes
Conveniently just enough to not have to vote for him.
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As I already said. The general feeling to him is that he's newb and gets a pass. If I were to start a case on him, most people aren't even prepared to listen.
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As I already said. The general feeling to him is that he's newb and gets a pass. If I were to start a case on him, most people aren't even prepared to listen.
Not giving your opinion out of fear that Town will ignore you? That's both anti-Town and anti-Pesco.
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If I were to start a case on him, most people aren't even prepared to listen.
I'd listen. It seems you assume that what I did were not mistakes, as most of the others see it, but at least somehow planned actions, right? And you seemingly have a way to show how they can be seen as scummy.
Then what's holding you back?
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The Eleventh "Magarre Spectacle" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGIymqu0Qc) Vote Count
"You?re right. Well, would you like me to give you some words of praise, then?"
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
5. Pesco(0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (1): Bardiche
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (9): Jam, huh what, Pesco, Zakeri, MSB, Roukanken, Edible, Sakana, Kefit
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is in ~26 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
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I'd still like to see a Zakeri lynch (especially since his comment about post 280 of Jam's seems like he's trying to tie himself to somebody else (possible bus?) incase he dies), but seeing Jam go wouldn't be that bad either since she hasn't really been contributing much at all. Also curious about Bard, and he still hasn't answered my question, but I'd rather know Zakeri's alignment before commenting on him further. (Also, Zakeri still hasn't given me a reply about if he had any more reasons of keeping his early vote on Rou, but I guess it doesn't matter at this point. It's still not very nice to dodge the question, though.)
I'm kind of curious about Pesco, to be honest, but I don't see him as a huge priority right now. Would shed some light on Sakana, maybe, but I still think Sakana seems more clueless than scummy. But uh, why is Sakana supporting somebody starting a case on him?
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But uh, why is Sakana supporting somebody starting a case on him?
Because I'm useless for analyzing or starting cases myself, as has been obvious, so maybe I can help generating useful stuff this way. Because with this, we might finally be able to get more insight into Pesco.
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^ Same for me. I'd like to hear what you've got on Sakana Pesco.
He's made a lot of mistakes, and the cases from someone who actually knows how to play the game [i.e.: not me].
Zak's stating that it looks like I'm his scumbuddy seems as if he's trying to get himself off the hook if I turn up scum [which I won't] for pointing it out...
And I don't know where you guys got that I didn't say anything about Zak before:
Nothing new to see really at this point. Rou and Edible going on back and forth isn't really doing anything... I'll stay where I am until Zak pops in again.
Looking over late Day 1 again, probably won't finish during this class. So yeah. D:
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What about everything else he's tried to pull? "Town doesn't care about looking town", the whole Edible voteswitch problem (though to be honest that doesn't count for much at this point), and so on.
I don't really agree with his logic, but I can see how he got there. He explained his town doesn't care business with that town naturally assume their actions are pro-town, which doesn't seem right to me but I can understand how someone gets there.
And the Edible voteswitch thing, ehhhh, you mean where he's the only one to vote Edible for rolefishing when the prevailing case was "Edible has a bad case"?
Saying you support a case != Scummy. The worst he's done is completely misundersand the Edible case and think it was based on his rolefishing.
Painting Nietz in scummy light != scummy either, enough of us found him scummy as well and unless you paint actions in a scummy light you'll never catch anyone on anything.
Regarding Rou, still don't really like the "lol everyone's suspicious" summation, since it's a cheap ticket to add, "Yeah I was suspicious of him all along!" when one of the suspects (loleveryone) turns out scum. Also spreading paranoia everyone looks bad yada yada but hey, no one's agreeing, no sense sticking to my guns.
Pesco: Post your case, shouldn't have to encourage you to do so etc. Newbies aren't immune to being scum.
Rou: You really need to stop this entire "coincidental" and "CONVENIENTLY" accusations. You've done this before, you're doing it again, it doesn't look good honestly it's just accusing someone of acting in a very deliberate and precise manner and I honestly can't imagine scum going for such a delicate setup.
Zak mentioning why post X scares him is perfectly reasonable. Yes it's WIFOM but you never know who might employ it and everything. Yes linking yourself to someone is usually something scummy since you want to lead town astray or are protecting a scumbuddy, town doesn't usually do this.
Good to see Edible's started playing, Day1 was such a massive trainwreck regarding him that I'm still :psyduck:ing about it.
I don't really know what to make of Bard's accidental vote. It is possible that he did it on purpose, but Bard is generally a pretty defensive player and voting accidentally seems like something he'd do. >>
uh what Jam? I've only played here once. :V How can you make statements regarding 'generally', and how does being 'defencive' have any impact on whether or not I am a ditz?
On purpose or not it doesn't serve any purpose where it is unless people buy into a Rou case. (this was only a prod vote so I doubt it) If I was scum this just makes it that I can't tiebreak in favour of scumbuddies, as town I can't lend weight to my suspicions. However way you slice it it disadvantages me personally, so I don't really see why this move needs to be analysed and it was a dumb mistake anyway!
Is Rou going MOARSCUMDAKKA as bad as Zak's approach on Nietz?
Zak's approach on Nietz wasn't too bad, standard way to point out who you think is scum, yada yada. Nietz looked bad enough anyway.
Looks like MSB's going to be useless for the day? Ugh.
##UNEVICT: Roukanken
##EVICT: Jam
It was kind of silly for me to not evict someone else after that, but my second choice was surely Zak who was also close to having a vast majority so I figured it'd be best to just not have a vote in at all so
I read "I wanted to see Zak die yesterday but since he was leading I figured I'd not vote for him so to improve the chances of him dying :D", obvious result: not lending weight to the death of the one you think is scummiest.
Hunt scum and vote for them. If you think someone should die, just vote since it won't end the day with EVICTs. No reason not to, could've changed the Day1 target, always try to convince people etc. Expecting new information to come in would have many of us thumb-twiddling, terrible excuse.
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Just throwing this in before I go to sleep, since I see it neccessary:
#Unevict
#Evict: Pesco
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##Unevict
##Evict Sakana
Probably kinda abrupt here, but now that I think about it some more, Sakana is probably the safest choice right now and knowing his alignment would shed a bit of light onto Pesco. His evict towards Pesco confuses me since he didn't explain it beyond "I think it's neccessary", so it just kinda seems like OMGUS. Aside from that, his constant cluelessness hasn't made him look very good, and now that Pesco pointed out that he plays mafia irl he doesn't really have "THE NEWBIE EXCUSE" either (and I'm feeling kind of stupid that I missed this point when I made my last post).
Still find Zakeri highly suspicious and I'd like to see his flip, since if he turns out scum, it would affect my opinions on Bardiche and possibly Rou as well. I do believe Bard makes good points about the Edible voteswitch not counting for much, though, and Zakeri's general previous awkwardness could just be excused because it was early D1 (though that's not a great excuse, but whatever). It's also possible I'm just being blinded because I found Zakeri suspicious previously and need to get over it, but I dunno.
Would really like to see what Pesco has to say about Sakana.
Also, when are we going to actually vote instead of evicting? Because I might not be around when the day ends tomorrow so I might have to make my vote tonight or something.
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Also, evictcount:
Pesco (2): Roukanken, Sakana
Zakeri (2): Jam, huh what, Pesco, Sakana
Roukanken (0): Bardiche
Jam (3): Sodium, Kefit, Bardiche
Sakana (1): huh what
Is Zakeri's list supposed to be a vote for Pesco, or just pointing him out as suspicious?
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All we need are two actual votes (to get around Bard's) to lynch. We're fine on that front unless something ridiculous occurs.
Thoroughly unimpressed with pesco's responses thus far. Consider him evicted by me.
Okay with Jam lynch. Sort of okay with Zak lynch - biggest thing with him is an alignment flip to see who lands where. Not okay with Sakana lynch today or anyone else.
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Bard: I was not declaring everyone as suspicious. If you really want me to say something that'll hold me to opinions, my suspicions at the start of the day were Zak and Pesco, with a mild thing on Edible following yesterday and a strong link between Pesco and Sakana. Jam only really came to my attention earlier today, and I'd still prefer a Pesco lynch there.
Rou: You really need to stop this entire "coincidental" and "CONVENIENTLY" accusations. You've done this before, you're doing it again, it doesn't look good honestly it's just accusing someone of acting in a very deliberate and precise manner and I honestly can't imagine scum going for such a delicate setup.
I don't understand this point. Is it a case of wording? Because two people attacking the same person at the same time with bad cases just when they were about to be declared King - especially now that Kilga is confirmed Townie - is too well-timed for my liking. If this is a semantics/logic thing please explain it to me because no-one's ever pointed it out before >_>
HW: I suppose it comes down to which of the two you find more suspicious, since finding scum > finding information. One being scum probably makes the other look much worse, though; a town flip is a nulltell for the survivor.
Meanwhile, Jam and Sakana excusing themselves from contributing along the lines of being 'useless' is just plain apathetic. Sakana's lack of explanation in the Pesco vote could well be last-minute bussing, but it looks earnest enough that I'd like to make sure it's a bus at all first.
Good point on when to start voting. I'll definitely be around before deadline, so I'll hold off my vote for now. Still preferring Pesco ahead of Jam/Zak, and don't want to lynch Sakana before Pesco.
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Yeah, I know my analysis on 280 was stupid, but it didn't feel right leaving out analysis from my posts just to protect myself. It's still a major point of anti-scumhunting.
Huh what: No, I don't have any real reason to vote for Rou. Otherwise, I would have said what they were by now.
Jam: You mention "Waiting for me" in passing in your quote at a time where everyone was "Waiting for me." At best, that's cheerleading.
I forgot to mention last post that Jam and Pesco are pretty much interchangeable for me. Pesco just barely edges out since his lynch is a lynch towards information.
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Was doing HMWK.
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Pesco: Generally, people will post whatever case no matter how unlikely and try to get their cases noticed. See Zakeri@Day 1.
Also, I lol'd at
compared to everyone else's fluff.
Sakana: Generally, people care about cases that are directed at themselves. Pesco means anyone else.
HW: Just wondering, why evict Sakana to help determine Pesco's alignment over evicting Pesco to help determine Sakana's alignment?
Jam is still my prefered lynch. Seems more likely that a Pesco lynch will happen instead. Fine with that as it'll at least give some info. Don't think a Zakeri lynch is the right one for today.
Not voting yet because I'll be here around 7am EST, so about 6 hours before deadline.
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His evict towards Pesco confuses me since he didn't explain it beyond "I think it's neccessary", so it just kinda seems like OMGUS. Aside from that, his constant cluelessness hasn't made him look very good, and now that Pesco pointed out that he plays mafia irl he doesn't really have "THE NEWBIE EXCUSE" either (and I'm feeling kind of stupid that I missed this point when I made my last post).
Evictions, committed intentions, pressure, etc. Just using what my dear seniors here have taught me before. And the fact that Pesco stiull hasn't posted about that doesn't make me want to retract this evict at all.
And about me playing Mafia irl, you could have known that a whole lot earlier, as I mentioned it by myself before, and it wasn't even subtle iirc.
If you think that makes me a master player or something, I have to disappoint you. Real life mafia works a lot different than online, strategies from one barely apply to the other.
Prioritizing me over Pesco is an interesting choice, care to explain your logic behind it?
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Was kind of hoping Pesco would show up and give his case on you but whatever it doesn't look like that'll happen. But aside from that, you were on the Nietz wagon, which I am curious about (hence wanting to know Zakeri's flip as well), so you'd give information in regards to Zakeri as well as Pesco, while I don't think as much would come out of a Pesco lynch. But maybe I'm wrong, hurrr.
##Vote Zakeri since I probably won't be online for the remainder of D2
Would probably be more informative than Sakana or Pesco either way imo (esp. on the Nietz wagon), and appears to be more scummy than Pesco. Doesn't seem like a Sakana lynch will happen so I'm not going to bother when Pesco seems to be the main choice. Still not sure about Jam.
I'll go over this some more tomorrow if I can get on before the day ends I guess.
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Life and something that rhymes with it has taken much of my time. Having no access to the campus labs forces me to phonepost at this time of my day. I should be able to post from a PC in 5 hours.
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And as it turns out, RL is going to pull me away for the rest of the day. Gonna just stick with my guns.
##Vote: Pesco
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Likely going to be my last post before the day ends.
##Vote Jam
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These (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287839#msg287839) don't count? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288613#msg288613)
They don't because one was you repeating what I had just said, which you point out yourself and the other link has no followup from you.
Not giving your opinion out of fear that Town will ignore you? That's both anti-Town and anti-Pesco.
Considering the little time left of the day, it'd be even more anti-town to start a new wagon. My gut read wasn't all in on him so I'd need to observe him more.
You are also quite aware that I know my meta, so using that to guage me is weak. You'd need to have something more subtle like that time where UK called Serp by the full name instead of Serpy. That is a definitive tell, something that seems unlike me is not.
Onto Sakana:
I pressed Sakana at first for hanging back from active scumhunting. Rou plays the first newb card for Sakana here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287006#msg287006).
Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287791#msg287791) Sakana Unevicts Edible when he has said he'd only remove his Evict after getting answers (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286870#msg286870). Between the two, I don't see where Edible could have convinced Sakana of anything big and called the Unevict.
According to HW's count (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286824#msg286824), Zak and Edible were tied. Sakana's Evict edged Edible a little higher. But as mentioned above, he never really put any heart into wanting to lynch Edible. By the reasoning, he could be buddy to Edible. Or by the evict timing, he could be buddy to Zak. Then there's this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288568#msg288568) with him not intending to lynch either of them now.
His final stance (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288862#msg288862) for the day was to lynch Nietz. The motivation given in the post is that he's going with the flow, "I don't fully get it but it's the best one, so yeah".
Day 2 from #255 up to his Evict, pretty much all defensive with no direction until I called him to show a stance. His Zak Evict seems pretty spineless again. This is a grammatical point though, I used are in my question instead of is. If I was referring to a singular scum out of Edible and Zak, I would have used is. Using are meant a plural. English is not Sakana's first language and first language English speakers also make this mistake. Letting him call for a single scum only, he picks Zak with the reason of "he offered".
Coming to where we are. I'm not quite seeing where Sakana has suddenly been fine with letting Zak go. HW called his evict on me OMGUS, perhaps expecting me to be able to post this much on him?
The voting spread is going to be too thin for me to seriously vote Sakana. Bard's vote is dead, we've only got 9 to use where 6 is needed for a proper lynch. Rou being as stubborn as ever reduced our votes to 8. I don't see us getting the full 6 votes in this state. Lynching Zak gives info on Jam and I believe the buddy link I've mentioned here between Zak and Sakana can also be tested.
##Vote Zak
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The Twelfth "SOS Nara Daijoubu" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DPRUD1mMvo) Vote Count
"DON'T MESS WITH ME!"
1. Jam(1): MSB
3. Kefit (0)
5. Pesco (1): Roukanken
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (1): Bardiche
12. Zakeri (2): huh what, Pesco
Not Voting (5): Jam, Zakeri, Edible, Sakana, Kefit
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is in ~5 hours at 3 PM EST, Friday, March 26th
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Sleep deprivation means Edible wakes up five hours later than usual.
I'll wait to see if anyone else manages to get online before 3, at which point I'll drop a vote for Pesco. I'd rather avoid a tie, though.
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Thanks for the info on Sakana Pesco.
However, as you mentioned, it's too late to start a case on him today given the already split up votes.
I should still be around for the remainder of the day... so I think I'll wait a bit before making my vote.
I'm still leaning towards Zakeri because of his starting up the Nietz wagon yesterday and managing to get all attention off of himself and onto Nietz so quickly.
There's also a lot more info that could be gotten from Zak's lynch whether it be on Pesco, Sakana, or even on myself for you guys.
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I will not accept any votes made after 3 PM EST (half an hour from now). But I might not be around to post the day end scene and start twilight. Just note this
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I still think Pesco would be the best choice, but I can't really argue his reasoning except to say that it's a dead end.
##Vote: Pesco
We have an hour left and no unvotes possible, so I'm going to roleclaim now. I am Sasaki, Town doubler. What a doubler does is for every day I select one person, and if they person has a role, they get to target two people with it. This doesn't affect killing roles, or the scum hit.
A weird little side dish to my role is that I had to select all of my actions during the pre-game, given in a list from day one to day ten. Normally this would suck, expect for that fact that my actions will occur whether I'm dead or not. I can still be roleblocked, and I actually was for day 2
May actions so far were:
1. Roukanken
2. Kefit Roleblocked.
I don't know if the roleblocker is scum or town (And if town, don't claim.) so I'm not going to post the rest of the list unless we decide I'm the one going under. If I do post the list and am still alive, this will give scum the chance to prevent town roles from being empowered while letting potential scum roles wreck havoc.
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A weird little side dish to my role is that I had to select all of my actions during the pre-game, given in a list from day one to day ten.
That reasoning strikes very close to home.
I'm now comfortable enough to ##vote Pesco
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Uh.
How does that work? Your next action is Kefit and that's roleblocked? That... doesn't make a terrible lot of sense, clarify please?
Don't have much time, guests are over. I'll try to get in an analysis of the two cases and state my support of which one I'd like...
... wait half an hour?
uh
I can't promise anything but I'll try to read as fast as I can while the guests are distracted. lol
If I disappear it means they noticed me!!
Offhand I'd probably support Zakeri over Pesco but this may change since I haven't really fine-combed Pesco. Just didn't get a wrong impression from him where Zakeri has had some of those moments (Day1 start is :psyduck: so forgiven, sorta) where I frowned and reached for a monocle.
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He didn't say his role took place at night. Like my role, it takes effect during the day.
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Oh, I see. That was a misunderstanding on my behalf.
Reread it all quickly getting it out before hammer, not entirely fine-combed but I'm much more comfortable with Zakeri lynch than Pesco lynch. Zakeri gets points for the Edible Rolefish charge but yeah, I somehow like Pesco more than him, can't substantiate it too much at this point but I may be able to do so later.
It's crappy and I'm sorry for being useless this day, didn't expect this amount of bonding to occur. I'll hopefully be 100% available after sunday, but no promises.
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My role takes place during either the day or night, depending on when the target's role ability takes place.
I was blocked last night, which is why today's action didn't go through.
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Ah, so roleblocking is night and day in this game? Or does your role specifically not act if you get blocked at night?
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Edit: Well, I wasn't "blocked" until this morning, but whatever action was used to block me probably occurred last night and didn't take effect until dawn due to how my role works.
Also, voting's over as of my last post. Pesco's lynched with three votes, and me trailing by one. This is sort of disappointing.
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You expected more from apathetic town? :V
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It would've been tied then if I hadn't screwed up >_<
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This is sort of disappointing.
Why? He was leading with evicts, too.
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The counts weren't showing it. Since you get people that don't bother making their intentions in clear syntax.
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Why? He was leading with evicts, too.
This makes me feel slightly better, but it's beside the point.
Jam's going to have a lot to answer to on day 3.
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Oh fffffffffffffffffff I wasn't looking at the clock and didn't expect my homework to take this long [it's still not done]
:C
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Excuses. Inexcusable.
:3
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Well that's the truth.
I also somehow overestimated the time for the end of the day by failing with time zones. D:
I really don't have the right mindset for this game...
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I don't get how you fail time zones when there's a time management thread AND the fact that you're not that far off from UK's zone.
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I don't know either.
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Well fuck, I somehow thought that day was going to end sometime tonight. No excuses beyond that though, I screwed up here.
Not that my presence would have done much. I could have thrown a vote at Jam as per my reasoning earlier. This would have tied things up, but Edible probably would have just broken that tie with a Pesco vote. Not that I really mind Pesco going down - my Jam case really isn't any more solid than the Pesco case.
Also, Edible's still bugging me. Let's see how Pesco flips before I comment on this more.
Here's to hoping that I keep better track of time tomorrow!
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The Thirteenth "End of Day Two" Vote Count
"Yare Yare"
1. Jam(1): MSB
3. Kefit (0)
5. Pesco (3): Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
8. Bardiche (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (1): Bardiche
12. Zakeri (2): huh what, Pesco
Not Voting (3): Jam, Sakana, Kefit
Pesco has been deadline lynched with three votes
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is in negative three hours at 3PM EST, Friday, March 26th
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"So we'll evict Pesco from our club? What if we need him for the movie?"
"We all know Mikuru is the star because I'm pretty sure you have very interesting fantasies about her"
"Oh, shut up. We're finishing the movie first"
Twilight for however the hell long I feel like, which is probably 12 hours. Keep on keep on keep on keep on talkin'
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~12 hour twilight periods followed by ~48 hour night periods are stupid. That is all.
They'd be shorter if you assholes would turn in night actions faster. Be glad I'm a nice mod and tend to end night when all actions are sent in rather than arbitrarily saying "It's been 25 hours, derp Day start"
Mod note: I say assholes with love <3
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That's what the co-mod is for. To open and close shop when you aren't around.
Yeah, where are you K4U >=[?
I'm sorry, I've had troulbe getting on a comp lately :<
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YAY! K4U has godmother powers! Also, that's fine, I've been keeping up mostly with votecount per 30 post paging, I think
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I'm sorry, I've had troulbe getting on a comp lately :<
/me nags K4U
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Dun feel like waiting.
"Oh good, the movie is finished!"
"Thank God, I can get out of this ridiculous dress..."
"No complaining! I forgot to mention I saw some...interesting footage"
"Wait...what do you mean?"
"Why were you killing Mikuru last night? Did you really want to dress up that much? I'll have you know the SOS-dan is an equal opportunity club! Even if you'd rather be a girl we'd still accept you!"
"W-what are you talking about? Y-you can't be serious?"
"You've been caught, Kyon."
"B-but that should have been...no...why..."
"Killing one of the SOS-dan members is UNACCEPTABLE! You could have just told me to evict her from the club! But...instead, you will be evicted!"
Pesco, Kyon, Mafia Goon, has been lynched D2
Send in night actions within the next 24 to 48 hours please
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They'd be shorter if you assholes would turn in night actions faster. Be glad I'm a nice mod and tend to end night when all actions are sent in rather than arbitrarily saying "It's been 25 hours, derp Day start"
Mod note: I say assholes with love <3
So set a 24-hour limit and not this arbitrary 48-50 hour stuff. :V
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"I have decided that we shall work on the website today!
"Um...usually I expect some snarky commentary here...
"Dammit Kyon, why did you have to suck?
"Itsuki! Give me some snark
"Itsuki? Wait...don't tell me...you're dead too!?
"ARGH! Why is everyone trying to destroy my SOS-dan!"
/me storms off in a huff
Bardiche, Koizumi Itsuki, Townie Roleblocker, Knifed N2
NEW RULE ADDED, STICKY VOTES RULE STILL IN EFFECT!
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The Fourteenth "Start of Day Three" Vote Count
"Haruhi Suzumiya is the central character of a series of Light Novels by Nagaru Tanigawa featuring illustrations by Noizi Ito. A first year high school student (equivalent to 10th grade/sophomore year in the USA), she is considered beautiful, athletic, intelligent, and extremely eccentric. Haruhi has come to the conclusion that ordinary humans are, as a whole, utterly boring, and that she would rather hang out with aliens, time travelers, espers, and the like. In her quest to find them, she promptly joins all the clubs in school for exactly one day... and quits them all just as rapidly. One day, her classmate Kyon (the Narrator) unwittingly gives Haruhi an idea: if there aren't any decent clubs, why not make one of your own? Haruhi instantly switches from an irritated, sociopathic, pompous brat to an irritating, sociopathic Genki Girl who vows to allow nothing to stand in her way. She conscripts Kyon to help her set up the club: the SOS Brigade, whose mission is to find aliens, time travellers, and espers, and have fun with them. Kyon quickly learns an explosive secret that must be kept from Haruhi at all costs, the details of which must be seen to be believed."
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
9. huh what (0)
10. Sakana (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (8): Jam, Sakana, Kefit, MSB, huh what, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is in 72 hours at 6 PM EST, Wednesday, March 31st
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Fuck your TV tropes, bring on the penalty. What a horrible "rule".
Is it really unreasonable to link one freaking TV Trope in 72 hours? I'll say that you really don't want the penalty
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EBWOP: Oh, it's only one per day, not one per post. Well, I can live with that.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryoneAddictedToTVTropesIsATremendousFaggot (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife)
It has to be a real trope with an entry, and a relevant one, though that was my fault for not specifying that at first
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This is the Stupidest Rule I've Ever Seen In A Mafia Game. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleodw1s7zo?from=Main.StupidestThingIveEverHeard) Good thing it only lasts for one post. >_>
Anyway. Pesco's flip gives me enough confidence to go after Sakana in earnest. Besides all the newb mistakes that he got called out for on D1 and the nigh-simultaneous cases the pair had on Kilga, there was his late D2 'eh, maybe we should lynch Pesco after all' without bothering to give reasoning, until finally he leaves with only an evict. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293809#msg293809) In the end, this is pretty much blatantly supporting the Pesco lynch without putting down the pressure of a vote.
##Evict: Sakana
Little too early for votes considering they're still permanent.
@Zakeri: I was informed about receiving a bonus N1, but I'd rather not say anything about whether I could have used it for the sake of not giving the mafia information.
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I've said and done all I care to about the new rule for now.
Bard being the roleblocker and going after Zakeri makes plenty of sense. I'm not sure if it makes Zakeri's claim any better, but at least we have confirmation that he wasn't lying about being blocked - I'm willing to look the other way for now.
Rou is pretty obviously town at this juncture.
I will reread Sakana to decide between him and Jam, but one of the two will likely be our lynch targets for the day.
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New rule is stupid. Everything I know (as in assumed on day2) is wrong. Zakeri looks a lot better to me now that Pesco flipped scum. Curious about Sakana and Jam. Will make a reread + actual post later I guess.
I am going to assume that because of the wordfilters I can post a livejournal link instead of a trope.
http://hiimdaisy.livejournal.com/27081.html#cutid1 <- Livejournal relevant because I mentioned Zakeri and his avatar is taken from it.
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Edible, are you behind that wordfilter? Because I highly suggest you turn it off, since you are flagrantly violating rule 2 at this point
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Word filters removed.
Edible, play by the rules or don't play at all. Global Mod permissions are not to be used to directly interfere with Mafia.
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Edible, are you behind that wordfilter? Because I highly suggest you turn it off, since you are flagrantly violating rule 2 at this point
You're not a player in the game. Given every player so far has hated this rule, I was doing us all a favor. Next question?
Edible, play by the rules or don't play at all. Global Mod permissions are not to be used to directly interfere with Mafia.
It's indirect interference, but thanks for stepping in. I notice no one even brought it up to me.
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Every player being...three. out of eight. Further, it was in the design, and I do believe this was advertised as a bastard game. The rule isn't causing that much undue stress on players. You basically are just BAWWING with your forum powers, and it's kinda sad. Whatever, though, this discussion isn't necessary to have right now. And how do you know I'm not a player :P?
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You basically are just BAWWING with your forum powers
If it was intended as anything other than a joke, I would have stated such. You're the one who started crying about it in IRC. :)
Because it was totally clear this was a joke given the way you've argued just now. Granted, I probably shouldn't have bitched about it as much but whatever
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The rule is stupid.
I don't spend enough time on tv tropes to even think of what the hell I could find there that would be relevant here.
I'll probably just take an easy way out later.
Aaaanyway.... Sakana looks pretty shady after Pesco's flip. It's strange that he seemed totally okay with lynching Pesco [though as Rou pointed out he only left with an evict]. There's really no one else I have my eyes on right now as Zak seems to legitimately have claimed, and what he threw out seems damn logical.
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Pah, should have made the new rule having everyone say "We have entered an endless recursion of time" in every post. Ah well, tropes are pretty damned easy to find. If me and pesco can go a game posting a trope in EVERY post, you can go a day with posting ONE trope :P
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We're playing Haruhi (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuzumiyaHaruhi) Mafia. We're also on a Touhou board! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CaptainObvious)
...okaynowthatthat'sdonewith...
Still think Jam is scum. Still hasn't said anything of real worth. Latest post is a blatant bandwagoning.
I still think Sakana just seems way too clueless, but Pesco's flip reflects badly on him though. Not sure what to make of him. Would prefer Jam dead over him at this point in time though.
In other news, I think Zak is town, Edible and Rou are most likely town. Kefit is hard to determine(good posts, but too little to judge accurately), and HW is neutral.
Gonna wait for Sakana before doing anything.
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I was the bone of my ESP,
Fabulous was my body, refreshing was my blood.
I have blocked over a thousand players.
Unaware of personal space.
Nor aware of keeping my distance.
Have withstood urges to molest Kyon a thousand times.
Yet, these hands will block all others.
I have no regrets, this was the only path.
My entire role was, "Unlimited Roleblocking Works".
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Edible shouldn't make jokes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlehkm94ato?from=Main.PoesLaw)
I mainly want to start looking into potential suspects besides Jam and Sakana today, since shooting fish in a barrel is a sign of stagnation. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitle3gvof391cwuy?from=Main.ItsEasySoItSucks) I'm mainly talking about huh what and Sodium (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThoseTwoGuys), since Kefit only has two posts to go by and nothing out of place between them.
(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CluelessMystery)
I'll do rereads of Jam and Sakana for an evict vote tomorrow (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RidiculousProcrastinator), and then reread through the others I mentioned to see if a viable case can be formed.
What? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Cloudcuckoolander) I can't help it if I like this rule. Besides, with Pesco (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants) dead and UK Too busy being a mod, someone has to inflict the curse. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CursedWithAwesome)
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Why am I associated with Sodium suddenly? :x
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Alright, it's clear that I'm in a really bad situation right now, so to make things as easy as possible and save us the discussion time, I'll just make my claims right now.
That I couldn't get my vote on Pesco out D2 was partly my fault, partly that of real life. I had wanted to wait for his case on me, which he only posted after I had left for the rest of the day. Fwiw, I would have voted him as he didn't even point out how my actions were scummy as I had wanted him to. Well, and because the whole 'link to me' tactic he pulled was highly suspicious, as I said before. But since I didn't vote in the end, this is a void point.
Far more interesting for all of you should probably be:
No other lynch than Pesco's would have happened, even if you had chosen a different target. Because I wanted to see him dead and would have prevented any other lynch. This is my ability, and possibly the only reason we have the Twilight period in the game.
This also means, if you guys want to see me dead, let scum do the job. I will not let myself die from a lynch today.
As for suspicions at the moment, I'm as clueless as always.
However, my main focus for the moment will be on HW. He failed to explain his reasoning behind 'lynch Sakana to get info on Pesco'. If I flip town, what kind of info would have given on Pesco, other than that he might be a skilled schemer with an Evil Plan (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilPlan)? None, as far as I can see.
Out of the two, Pesco and me, Pesco was clearly the greater danger when being scum, and therefore the primary lynch target.
HW ignored that completely, therefore:
#Evict: Huh What
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On another note, something that will probably not help us find scum, but that I find intriguing:
Could it be that Pesco set up the night-kills right in front of our eyes? Look at that:
##Yuyuko doll Kilga
##Evict Purvis
Sodium needs to exist more and so does Donut and Bard.
He mentioned people who were not in the game two times (even if he passed Donut as an alternate Edible-name). And both times it was together with the name of the victim of the following night.
This is probably nothing, and with Pesco dead it most likely won't help us anyway, but I found it interesting.
Consider it fun facts.
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Far more interesting for all of you should probably be:
No other lynch than Pesco's would have happened, even if you had chosen a different target. Because I wanted to see him dead and would have prevented any other lynch. This is my ability, and possibly the only reason we have the Twilight period in the game.
This also means, if you guys want to see me dead, let scum do the job. I will not let myself die from a lynch today.
##Vote Sakana
That is the stupidest ability and roleclaim I have ever heard, even for role madness. Don't tell me you forced a Nietz lynch as well even though nobody even cared about him until late in D1? I seriously think you should get lynched just for blatant lying.
Actual reread/content post coming tomorrow, maybe, since I should be in bed. But that claim is seriously outrageous.
Also, pretty sure I did explain my reasons for voting you over Pesco somewhere. I'll look tomorrow. Ugh, I'm tired.
Oh hey, ninja'd by Sakana again. ##Yuyuko Doll is an injoke (which I don't even understand so hurr). That is not how you set up lynches, unless he was going for super breadcrumbing. You are thinking too hard.
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You are thinking too hard.
That's why I said consider it funf acts. However, this was Pesco, so...
Anyway, it's interesting that you're going for a vote immediately after a grave misinterpretation of my ability. I didn't say I could force lynches, not at all. Try again.
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- Edible, this is a Bastard Mod game. If you weren't ready to get screwed over at least once then you're in the wrong place.
- I really don't see any reason to lynch HW at this juncture. So far, his contributions have seemed pretty solid besides his choice of the Zak train ahead of Pesco yesterday. Regardless, I don't think that puts him far ahead enough of Sakana and Jam to be worth lynching today.
- Sakana's claim is...what? Is he claiming that if he doesn't get his choice of lynch he can choose to block it from happening at twilight? And he's claiming that he can prevent himself getting lynched?!
I...what the hell? Please tell me we have a vig or something, because I can't possibly see this role falling into the hands of Town.
(On a side note, ##Yuyuko Doll is a meme from PatchCon Mafia some time back, where players basically got given dolls to determine their roles. The Yuyuko Doll was the Vig doll, which Kilga ended up springing on Pesco, and for some time he started every game with the post ##Yuyuko Doll: Pesco. Apparently Pesco's doing the same in reverse now.)
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Please tell me we have a vig or something, because I can't possibly see this role falling into the hands of Town.
I'm surprised you can't see this as a town-role.
There is a clear name for my role and ability, and I would have thought the experienced players might recognize it.
Guess I'll have to spell it out later?
The reason why I would have blocked any other than Pesco's lynch at the time was because I was pretty sure about my suspicion on him and wanted to see that cleared up before anything else. An egoistic move, yes, and not fool-proof, but it would have payed off.
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Sakana: How does that prove you're town in ANY way? Can it be proven right now? Also, the formal name for your role is Governor. Prevents lynchs at twilight, etc. Would result in no-lynch, probably. Stopping a lynch and deciding another lynch would be OP if it were unlimited. Both Scum and Town can have that role.
Also, this is important: How does that prove you're town in any way?
Just because you say something ("I wouldn't have let anyone die but Pesco") does not make it true.
HW: Cool Story Bro. You voted Sakana for claiming governor. >_>
Rou: Sup. Also, I thought Kilga did that at the very beginning of the game(Yuyuko Doll)?
...Meh, fuck it. Both Sakana and Jam are huge detriments, and pretty much everyone else is more likely to be town. I suggest both to be removed immediately.
I am Asakura Ryoko, Town Dayvig. If the town will agree to it, I will vig Sakana, and then we can lynch Jam. Or whoever town wants. Preferably Jam. If you have a better suggestion, tell me.
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Sakana: How does that prove you're town in ANY way?
It doesn't. And I never claimed that it does.
The only way to prove my alignment is my death.
I could only prove the ability itself, but that wouldn't give any information about me.
My claim does nothing to get me out of suspicions way, don't think I don't know that.
I could state that I would find it highly unlikely that UK would give a protective role like governor to scum, when it's already hard enough for town to win in a normal game.
If you're really that adamant on killing me, yes, use the vig instead of wasting votes. Before that, however, I would like some analysis on how my actions portray me as scummy at the moment, because that is something I have yet to see from anyone. This doesn't just go for me btw, but for other cases that have been made as well.
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Sakana: Let's see here.
D1: Sitting around with no vote and no pressure does not help Town. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286835#msg286835)
Kilga should be Ki- (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg287791#msg287791)oh wait, he supposedly pressed the barely-confirmed Edible the hardest, now I want to evict him. EVEN THOUGH MY KING VOTE IS STILL ON HIM. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288568#msg288568) Still think his case on Kilga feels desperate, and Pesco's support afterward was an attempt to make it look less bad.
D2: Defense defense defense WHY ARE YOU ACCUSING PESCO (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg292246#msg292246) Supporting flipped scum.
Oh by the way, Pesco's high on my suspicions. Just so you know. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg292273#msg292273) You don't bother saying why here and just throw out 'oh he's suspicious'. Lovely.
Still voting Zak though since he suggested the Nietz lynch, not gonna bother offering anything that isn't obvious. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg292347#msg292347) Not offering information = anti-Town.
Oh wait, I'm tied to Pesco. Maybe we should lynch him after all! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293438#msg293438) Saving your own ass at the last minute.
I can't produce a case because I'm useless! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293768#msg293768) Excusing yourself through the newbie defense doesn't work, Sakana.
Bye guys, just to show how much I support the Pesco lynch I'll NOT vote for him! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293809#msg293809) I've already mentioned this.
Does that work?
I could state that I would find it highly unlikely that UK would give a protective role like governor to scum, when it's already hard enough for town to win in a normal game.
Well we've already seen that Town had a roleblocker (a traditionally scummy role) so I don't believe that point holds. Plus you forget that a) this is probably role madness and b) it's freaking UncertainKitten. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KillerGameMaster)
Sodium: I have no objections to Sakana getting shot today.
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We've had prior art in these forums for a scum guv, if you'll recall Umineko mafia - not that it was ever used there.
I'm no more impressed by MSB's claim than Sakana's. Sakana didn't even fullclaim, though...
But either way, totally okay with Sakana getting vigged. He's already said he plans to guv himself if we lynch him, which means the only way of getting rid of him is a knife to the brain. Full steam ahead, Sodium.
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Hurrrr, I thought Sakana's role was some stupid thing where he got to choose what gets lynched rather than governor. Remind me to get more sleep before reading posts in the future. This doesn't make him look much better to me, though. Supporting dayvig.
Also, @Sakana:
I did explain my reasons why I thought you'd be more informative than Pesco (check post 313), but that was mainly because I was still suspicious of Zak at the time and was really curious about the Nietz wagon. Now that Bardiche flipped town and Zakeri looks a lot better it doesn't mean much anymore, though.
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I can't produce a case because I'm useless! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293768#msg293768) Excusing yourself through the newbie defense doesn't work, Sakana.
Aren't you the same person who said this in regards to Sakana earlier? :V
Also GJ jumping on the new guy for making new guy mistakes. T_T
Another thing about Sakana: WHY would you use Governor to prevent anything but a Pesco lynch on D2? That seems more like you're having a tantrum because the guy you wanted lynched didn't get lynched. If he had gotten ignored in favor of somebody who was obviously town I could see why, but that seems rather selfish.
Anyway, assuming Sodium intends to "take care" of Sakana and I don't need to talk about him anymore, here's some stuff on Jam:
It really feels like Jam hasn't been doing anything at all throughout the game. A lot of her D1 posts were jumping on bandwagons (#70) or doing nothing at all (#125, #165) until #173, where after evicting Edible and saying very little about anything else that was going on, she unevicts (over an incredibly iffy roleclaim that Edible had not yet proved at the time, no less), leaving her with no evict or kingvote at the end of the day, and as a result she leaves no opinion on who she actually wants lynched or kinged and essentially hasn't really done anything by the ending of the day. #175 and #177 are just her repeated what she said in her previous posts without adding anything new again. Then later, there's 280:
It was basically just to prevent his number of evicts from getting "too" high [in the case just a majority I suppose since they aren't official votes] so that we could hear out his proof. [or rather you guys could since I wasn't around]
This makes no sense at all. While evict votes do obviously have an effect on who gets lynched, unless everybody decided to hammer in a King before Edible expanded on his roleclaim (which would be incredibly rash), there was nothing about one more evict on Edible that would prevent him from expanding on his roleclaim, since the day wasn't even that close to the end. In fact, this could even be considered counter-productive, since less votes = less pressure. At the end she jumps on the Zak wagon with little apparent reason, much like she did with Edible earlier.
#303:
Zak's stating that it looks like I'm his scumbuddy seems as if he's trying to get himself off the hook if I turn up scum [which I won't] for pointing it out...
This arguably looks more suspicious than Zak's actual post saying Jam is trying to link herself to him as a potential scumbuddy. Saying that Zakeri is doing something in case she turns out scum makes no sense. Think about it:
Case 1 - Zak is scum, Jam is town
Zak KNOWS Jam is town, so he would not bother trying to set up something that requires Jam to flip scum, because that would be stupid since he knows she won't.
Case 2 - Zak is town, Jam is scum
In this case, Jam would know Zak is town, which... she actually seems to know based on that post. Note that even though she believes Zakeri is scum based on her evict, her post acts as if she thinks he is town hence the "if I turn up scum" (if Zakeri was scum, this wouldn't be valid, since as I previously mentioned, he would know that she is town). But wait, there's a contradiction! She thinks Zakeri wants to do this to get off the hook, which means Zakeri would have to be scum or really really selfish town (seems unlikely). The most likely scenario seems to be that Jam is scum trying to paint Zakeri as scum but acts as if he's town at the same time to make herself look like she doesn't know his alignment.
Case 3 - Both are scum
Implies Jam really, really wants to bus Zakeri and not let him get off the hook if she dies and flips scum. Why? If a scumbuddy has a chance to get off the hook, why would you want to stop them? Seems pointless.
Case 4 - Both are town
Second most likely, but considering everything Jam has done up until now I'm pretty sure it isn't, and her #361 is just stating the obvious. So yeah. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoYeah)
##Unvote
##Vote Jam
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we still can't unvote today.
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Oh wait, alternate options I forgot about.
#1: Jam is cop with an innocent verdict on Zak, explaining why she implies Zak is town even though she's trying to make him look scummy... But that's still really stupid, since she'd be painting Zak as scum despite having an innocent verdict on him.
#2: Jam is a cop with a guilty verdict on Zak, and is trying to hide the fact that she's a cop and knows his alignment. This actually seems kind of plausible, but I think Zak seems pretty townish right now, so I dunno.
Ninja by Edible: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Well uh, I hope somebody else can get Jam lynched then. Just consider me to have an evict on her or something.
##Evict: Jam
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Hey, question for mod: if Sakana gets vigged, will my vote on him be removed?
In the event of a day vigilante kill, the votes are reset
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TRIPLE POST YEAHHH
Out of the two, Pesco and me, Pesco was clearly the greater danger when being scum, and therefore the primary lynch target.
HW ignored that completely, therefore:
Missed this somehow.
How does this count for anything? You don't vote for who would be more of a threat as scum, you vote for who you think would be more likely to be scum, and I figured you were more likely. The information on the Nietz wagon was a bonus, too.
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Since I don't think I have anything to prove I'm town, and because the result will horribly piss off Rou, I agree to the vigging. This will be way more effective than any defense I could try. Pull the trigger if you want, Sodium. I hope town will know how to make the most out of this afterwards.
In case anyone is interested, my full claim would be: Student council president, town governor.
Well done Rou, even though you failed completely to explain how those were actions of a scum. You listed the same things you listed before. Last time it was with 'those are his newbie mistakes', this time it's supposed to be scum intentions?
You don't make sense in your case, but I guess you'll realize that as soon as I die.
Next thing I'd love is for you to state what your conclusions on other people will be when I flip town.
And maybe you should prepare for what other people's conclusion will be about you at that point.
By the way, you're doing the 'pressed Edible the hardest' misrep again, care to tell why? I never said it that way, no matter how often you want to make it look like that.
"Pesco's suspicious" is something I said before reading over his stuff again and seeing how awful our ties already were. That's when I became pretty much convinced of him being scum trying to drag down a town with him. As we can see, he was successful, but that's mostly my fault, of course.
Me being pretty much sure about Pesco is why I would have prevented any other lynch, as I said before. Getting down a scum is the best way to get info about possible other scum. Why let town do a possible mislynch when there's a case on an almost certain scum?
Unfortunately this was the only time in the game I was sure about something.
Excusing yourself through the newbie defense doesn't work, Sakana.
If you think like that, why were you the one giving me that excuse in the first place, as HW pointed out as well?
you vote for who you think would be more likely to be scum, and I figured you were more likely
You're still buying that 'he did this all with intention because he's experienced irl' stuff from Pesco? Because this is the only reason I see why I would appear as more scummy than the rabbit at that time. Or do you have any other explanation making me more scummy that you somehow missed to give at all?
Alright, I guess this will be all I have to say.
Well then, I guess that may be my last post in this game. It was a pleasure~ *bow*
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Well done Rou, even though you failed completely to explain how those were actions of a scum. You listed the same things you listed before. Last time it was with 'those are his newbie mistakes', this time it's supposed to be scum intentions?
All of these things I've mentioned, maybe? Not offering new information, bad cases against confirmed Townies, reluctantly going along with the one scumlynch we've had, excusing yourself from commenting? All these things serve to prevent Town from lynching scum, therefore they're scummy.
If you think like that, why were you the one giving me that excuse in the first place, as HW pointed out as well?
You can't say 'I'm newbtown I can't contribute!', other people say 'you're newbtown you have no clue what you're talking about'. And even then, newbcalls only last so long, and yours ran out around the start of D2. You made that claim late D2, by which point you REALLY should be producing something.
Whatever. Fire away, Sodium.
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Just pointing out that my quip about Rou defending Sakana for being a newbie earlier wasn't a serious point or anything, I just found the hypocrisy humorous. Hence the :V .
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All these things serve to prevent Town from lynching scum, therefore they're scummy.
Okay, seems I have some more last words: So you wanna say I was completely uninvolved in Pesco's downfall? You make me laugh, boy~
Pesco's case didn't appear like a major one, and the number of votes on him was in no way high. And yet I was supporting his case, even though I messed up the vote. Totally makes sense for a scum~
Okay, I really should stop here. Sorry, Rou, this is nothing personal, but you're getting blinded by your tunneling on me. Widen your view again once this is over.
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Why do you feel the need to suddenly turn all antagonistic towards everybody who wants to vig you before you get vigged? :x Seems like scum taunting, which is stupid since you're about to die.
I fail to see how Rou was tunneling you at all.
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So you wanna say I was completely uninvolved in Pesco's downfall? You make me laugh, boy~
Yeah this is descending into AtE. >_>
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Very quick post before I head into class because I think this information is pertinent RIGHT NOW:
I am town and have vigilante powers as well. You guys think there are two town vigilantes in this game? That being said, go ahead and go forth with the vig use, sodium. I'd like to see how it turns out ;D
More later, after class.
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rofl
Oh, Sodium. Fakeclaiming again?
I wonder if we can have them vig each other.
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Ahahahahaha
Kind of curious why Sodium fakeclaimed vig, though. Unless there's a town dayvig and a scum dayvig/serial killer at the same time or something.
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Also, unrelated but somewhat amusing: I like how only 3 out of 8 players haven't roleclaimed so far.
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Back from school. Majority agrees, etc.
##Erase Sakana
Kefit: Cool Story.
No, I'm not fakeclaiming. -_-
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Huh. *twiddles thumbs*
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"They say it's better to regret doing it than to regret not doing it, right?
It's okay for me to force a sudden change based on my onsite observations, right?"
"What are you talking about?"
"You see, Sakana, I really want you to die."
Sakana, Student Council President, Townie One Shot Governor, has been Erased D3
VOTE COUNT RESET
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Are we all supposed to roleclaim?
Anyway: Sakana is still the shadiest.
His claimed role is in no way clearly town or clearly scum and he did a pretty not good job at explaining it [thanks for making it clear Sodium]
The fact that he's getting all defensive and kind of tunneling on Rou to an extent now in terms of just arguing back and forth make things even more irritating.
I'm totally down with the vig, if one of you is vig or something... we'll see.
#Evict Sakana
I clearly don't now how to search TV Tropes because nothing I'm trying is bringing up anything relevant... Maybe later~
Probably gonna reread and sort stuff out when I'm not trying to get other stuff done.
Ninja'd: Oh.
Well.
Okay then.
[heavy sigh]
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The Fifteenth "COOL EDITION" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZrlQgnhVI) Vote Count
"You see...I really want you to die"
Mod Note: Vote Count Reset
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
6. MSB (0)
7. Edible (0)
9. huh what (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (7): Jam, Kefit, MSB, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible, huh what,
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is in ~50 hours at 6 PM EST, Wednesday, March 31st
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Ah... I can see... the light....
Good luck with the rest, guys ^^
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Oh my.
Kind of curious about Kefit and Sodium here. We could have Kefit stab Sodium and if Sodium flips town lynch Kefit, but in the odd chance they're both town that would really put us at a huge disadvantage, so maybe not.
Still really suspecting of Jam though. Also, Jam, did you completely skip over my post? I'd like a defense in response to that whole Zakeri thing.
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I'm honestly kind of beyond caring at the moment.
I'm kind of annoyed by my inability to play this game.
I also kind of wanted to get my thoughts on Sakana in before the vig.
But alas a I was too late (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreTooLate) because... I couldn't figure out how to find something relevant on TV Tropes. D: /whining
I'll take a better look in your post, but class is soon so expect something in a bit over an hour.
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*obligatory headdesk*
Sodium has confirmed he has a kill now. With Kefit claiming the same it's probably gonna fall on him to follow suit. Meanwhile, I don't recall Jam doing anything to improve on the cases made against her yesterday, and since pretty much every other big case is resolved one way or the other by now she's pretty much my main suspect for the day barring a REALLY big roleclaim.
##Evict: Jam
Want to hear details about their hit powers in more detail. If they're identical one of them is almost definitely scum, in which case Kefit should probably shoot Sodium (and lynch Kefit if Sodium flips Town). If Kefit's got something else along with the vig powers then Town/Town is more likely and a shot could end up taking us into Mylo (7 players still alive atm, most likely 2 scum left unless there's a third party). This also doesn't rule out the possibility one is a day-shooting SK, but that's going too far into role speculation.
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Hi I just said that :V In less detail, though.
What's mylo? Mynch or lose?
Evictcount:
Jam (2): huh what, Roukanken
Sakana (0): Roukanken, huh what
huh what (0): Sakana
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What's mylo? Mynch or lose?
Mislynch and Lose. Town loses if they lynch a Townie, but they can last a day regardless by No-Lynching. NLing in Lylo is frowned on by some players, and it can lead to scenarios where scum respond by not killing, leading to the dreaded Happily Ever After scenario where no-one lynches or kills. Or, as Rule 15 puts it, everyone loses in that instance >_>
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EBWOP: I meant NLing in Mylo, NLing in Lylo is really stupid >_>
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Got out of class early.
I'll go read things and attempt to be competent now.
We really need to try and find scum guys, cuz... it's not looking so good.
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-_-. Was hoping Sakana was scum. Ugh, oh well.
##Evict Jam Nothing said has given me reasons not to vote her, etc. HW would be my second choice purely by moving along my list of "who I think is most likely to be scum out of everyone alive".
Doubt Kefit is lying, because that'd be suicidal.
Oh, and I'm one shot btw.
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It really feels like Jam hasn't been doing anything at all throughout the game. A lot of her D1 posts were jumping on bandwagons (#70) or doing nothing at all (#125, #165) until #173, where after evicting Edible and saying very little about anything else that was going on, she unevicts (over an incredibly iffy roleclaim that Edible had not yet proved at the time, no less), leaving her with no evict or kingvote at the end of the day, and as a result she leaves no opinion on who she actually wants lynched or kinged and essentially hasn't really done anything by the ending of the day.
Well I really can't say anything to you other than I don't really know how to make my own cases yet about the first point. I'm really trying to get better at this, and it's just not working out.
Sorry, but there's nothing else to really say about this point.
I already kind of went over why I unevicted Edible. You're right in saying that it was kind of silly as the votes don't count. But, if I'd left it on him people would have perhaps used that against me later to in some attempt at reasoning. Either way, I'm sure something would have been assumed from it.
As far as King goes, I'm pretty sure I stated before that if I'd voted Kilga as I had originally intended he would be close to being King. Seeing as our evict votes were not at any sort of majority, I thought it would be a good idea to just let that be without picking a King.
#303:This arguably looks more suspicious than Zak's actual post saying Jam is trying to link herself to him as a potential scumbuddy. Saying that Zakeri is doing something in case she turns out scum makes no sense. Think about it:
Case 1 - Zak is scum, Jam is town
Zak KNOWS Jam is town, so he would not bother trying to set up something that requires Jam to flip scum, because that would be stupid since he knows she won't.
Case 2 - Zak is town, Jam is scum
In this case, Jam would know Zak is town, which... she actually seems to know based on that post. Note that even though she believes Zakeri is scum based on her evict, her post acts as if she thinks he is town hence the "if I turn up scum" (if Zakeri was scum, this wouldn't be valid, since as I previously mentioned, he would know that she is town). But wait, there's a contradiction! She thinks Zakeri wants to do this to get off the hook, which means Zakeri would have to be scum or really really selfish town (seems unlikely). The most likely scenario seems to be that Jam is scum trying to paint Zakeri as scum but acts as if he's town at the same time to make herself look like she doesn't know his alignment.
Case 3 - Both are scum
Implies Jam really, really wants to bus Zakeri and not let him get off the hook if she dies and flips scum. Why? If a scumbuddy has a chance to get off the hook, why would you want to stop them? Seems pointless.
Case 4 - Both are town
Second most likely, but considering everything Jam has done up until now I'm pretty sure it isn't, and her #361 is just stating the obvious. So yeah. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SoYeah)
##Unvote
##Vote Jam
I'm sorry that I'm nowhere near good enough to take so many things into account.
I still have no freaking clue how you think I know Zak is town.
Because I don't know anyone's alignment, and I never alluded to it.
Actually, I don't even get half of this.
I should stop trying to play this game...
I'm sorry I don't think about every possible thing that could be inferred from what I do.
I really was just trying to come up with something on my own for once.
I assume that that vote is a case of tag fail, not a self vote. Therefore, it won't count. Also, fix'd
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Jam: Is that vote you posted part of your quote, or did you just vote yourself? :|
And in all, defending on the basis of 'I'm not good enough to produce' doesn't work. I didn't let Sakana away with it, and Jam doesn't get a free ride on it either.
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Oh it's part of the quote.
You can see the messed up code.
[I swear if that counts as a vote...]
I get what you're saying Rou, but there really isn't anything else I can say [which was the same in Sakana's case].
We should just move on and look at other people with the time that we've got left.
If you guys still think I'm the best choice by the near end of the day, well then there really won't be a damn thing I can do about it, will there?
That being said, we should probably keep it to evicts for the time being so that people have chance for claims/defense and whatnot.
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Oh good.
Thanks UK.
sorry... >>;
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I get what you're saying Rou, but there really isn't anything else I can say [which was the same in Sakana's case].
We should just move on and look at other people with the time that we've got left.
'Let's talk about people who aren't me because I'm not going to say anything useful!'
Want clarification of Kefit's vig power. If it's not a simple one-shot, we might have to consider who to have Kefit shoot a little more seriously.
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Details of my role:
1) I may only use my vigilante power during the night.
2) All you cops out there don't have to waste time or resources on investigating me. I'm a town Sneering Bastard, which means that I show up as scum to any investigation. Yeah, this looks bad for me, but keep in mind that if I were scum I would prefer to fake claim this AFTER the cop wasted a power use on me.
Detective Time
Sakana's claimed power has been perceived as a very powerful ability (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg296873#msg296873). It poses a substantial threat to the side opposite of the one with the power. Seeing this, Sodium offers to kill Sakana immediately after the role claim. I respond by claiming vig, and Sodium nonetheless goes through with the kill in short order. Sakana flips town.
Here's what the story looks like if Sodium is scum:
Sodium sees Sakana claim Governor and knows that he poses a serious threat to the scum. Sakana's been looking fishy all game, and his roleclaim was less than clear, so Sodium seizes this chance to get rid of him. Things probably would have gone smoothly for Sodium even after Sakana flipped town. After all, vigilantes are known for making mistakes.
Except I roleclaimed before Sodium was able to use his vig. Sodium knew he was in deep shit at this point. You see, If I was scum, then I had absolutely no reason to try and interfere with the free kill of a threatening townie. It would have been in my best interests to keep lurking, as no one had their eyes on me at that point. Thus, Sodium reasoned that I would appear very townie after Sakana flipped town. Two town vigilantes in a 12 person game, even a role madness game, seems like a fairly remote possibility to me, if for no other reason than it creates the potential to accelerate the game far too quickly. If I look like town after Sakana's flip, then Sodium naturally looks like scum.
Sodium decides to make the best of a bad situation, and remove the threat to scum before I get a chance to get back from class and use MY vig to kill the scummy vigilante bastard. I suppose it's fortunate that I didn't specify that my vig is a night vig ;D
So Sodium goes through with the kill, and here we are now with Sodium still trying to pass himself off as town. And succeeding, as it seems the train is now on Jam. While Jam hasn't been a paragon of townie, her general inactivity, lack of enthusiasm, and rolling over for death at this point remind me far too much of when she did the exact same things in Himelander as town. The case against Sodium here seems much stronger, much more concrete.
Of course, my theory against Sodium can be attacked from a couple of angles.
Possible Attack #1: Kef-kef, what if Sodium is town? Isn't your theory for Sodium's scumminess circular, since it depends on the assumption that Sodium is scum in the first place?
Indeed, that cute story above was written with the assumption that Sodium is scum to begin with. It certainly does make everything fit nicely together, but it doesn't prove anything. However, the Sodium as town story doesn't work out nearly as nicely. Sodium being town means that there are two town vigilantes in a 12 person game. Or it means that Sodium is town and I'm scum, and as scum I tried to interfere with the killing of a threatening townie. Sodium being town means that he rushed to use his vig kill as quickly as possible despite town's best interest of weighing in on the situation and discussing the new circumstances I had brought to the table. Sodium being town just doesn't add up.
Possible Attack #2: But Kef-kef, what if both you and Sodium are scum and this is a masterful Xanatos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) carried out with the intent of making you look like a confirmed town?
One scum is already dead. Sacrificing another scum for anything seems like a bad trade for me, as there are probably only three scum to begin with in a twelve player game.
Besides kids, Xanatos Gambits don't happen in real life. Brilliance in these sorts of games comes from making the right choice at every critical juncture, rather than from relying on some convoluted plan susceptible to crumbling in the face of the unexpected.
##Vote: Sodium.
Yes, that's a vote. You guys would have to move heaven and earth to get me to change my stance on this. I also don't want to accidentally miss the voting deadline again. I certainly do not recommend that town begins nailing down its votes en masse, but I do believe that this is the right choice for me.
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Uh, wow.
##Unvote
##Vote Sodium
Also ##Unevict Jam, who now seems pretty much innocent if Kefit is to be believed (and I seriously can't find any flaws in his logic that he didn't address, but then again I'm stupid so hurrr), since if Sodium really is scum there is no reason for him to be consistently attempting to bus her since D1.
I wish I had more to say about Sodium (since this post is just "yeah sure!" at the moment), but uh, he hasn't even said anything notable about people other than Sakana and Jam. Ugh. Don't know why he thinks Edible is obvtown though.
(Also, is your nightvig a one-shot like Sodium's dayvig?)
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Forgot this. Is it just me, or did Zakeri randomly disappear? I haven't seen anything from him since his initial post today.
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TRIPLE POST YEAHHHHH
I missed this until now.
Yeah, this looks bad for me, but keep in mind that if I were scum I would prefer to fake claim this AFTER the cop wasted a power use on me.
...How do you know the cop didn't waste a power use on you? Or do you mean investigated you and roleclaimed then posted about it?
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hw is your vote the first of the after vig? Cuz then your good.
Your use of unvote really threw me off since we can't unvote [silly me deleted the evict and vote counts from my notes after the vig, whoops]
Kefit you freaking amaze me.
I was thinking of prodding you for not posting at all save for the post about your role today, but this makes up for everything by being dang good.
Honestly, Sodium hasn't done anything but the vig today. That would have been fine, but Kefit's claiming vig should have brought forth some discussion before allowing it to happen. [whoops, we should have spotted that too]
Evict Sodium
Just evicting because there aren't that many of us so voting will make it dang close already.
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Kefit: Except governor really isn't that powerful. It's basically forcing a no lynch, when the governor feels that the lynch is retarded. Let alone when the governor is basically telling everyone that he won't let himself die. -_-
Detective Time
Sakana's claimed power has been perceived as a very powerful ability (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg296873#msg296873). It poses a substantial threat to the side opposite of the one with the power. Seeing this, Sodium offers to kill Sakana immediately after the role claim. I respond by claiming vig, and Sodium nonetheless goes through with the kill in short order. Sakana flips town.
Can't prove this, but I was thinking of using my vig on Jam, and then moving to Sakana but decided to wait for Sakana's post. Also, perceived from someone who didn't get it at first.
Here's what the story looks like if Sodium is scum:
Story time! Yay!
Sodium sees Sakana claim Governor and knows that he poses a serious threat to the scum.
I lol'd. Governor isn't very useful in the hands of someone who doesn't use it properly, and is probably more of a detriment to town.
Sakana's been looking fishy all game, and his roleclaim was less than clear, so Sodium seizes this chance to get rid of him. Things probably would have gone smoothly for Sodium even after Sakana flipped town. After all, vigilantes are known for making mistakes.
What? Scum would've eventually gotten rid of him if they really wanted to(they probably didn't), and he was a dead-weight at best after his governor claim.
Except I roleclaimed before Sodium was able to use his vig. Sodium knew he was in deep shit at this point. You see, If I was scum, then I had absolutely no reason to try and interfere with the free kill of a threatening townie.
I don't see how the fact there's another townie vig would really make me worry, but okay. Also, I really don't see what your alignment has to do with this, but okay.
It would have been in my best interests to keep lurking, as no one had their eyes on me at that point. Thus, Sodium reasoned that I would appear very townie after Sakana flipped town.
...For doing what? =V Making a vague vig claim before the first vig that claimed killed scummy-town?
Two town vigilantes in a 12 person game, even a role madness game, seems like a fairly remote possibility to me, if for no other reason than it creates the potential to accelerate the game far too quickly.
This is UK. =V She'd get amusement from how the board could flip extremely quickly.
If I look like town after Sakana's flip, then Sodium naturally looks like scum.
:Alice-claims-doctor: Also, why? Two Town Vigs doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
Sodium decides to make the best of a bad situation, and remove the threat to scum before I get a chance to get back from class and use MY vig to kill the scummy vigilante bastard. I suppose it's fortunate that I didn't specify that my vig is a night vig ;D
The fact that everyone except ,1)Person I was going to kill and 2)Person I really didn't trust, supported it, I really didn't see why not just shoot him asap.
So Sodium goes through with the kill, and here we are now with Sodium still trying to pass himself off as town.
"Townies don't need to think about looking town"!
/taking Zak's lines
And succeeding, as it seems the train is now on Jam. While Jam hasn't been a paragon of townie, her general inactivity, lack of enthusiasm, and rolling over for death at this point remind me far too much of when she did the exact same things in Himelander as town.
:Meta: Care little for it in this case.
The case against Sodium here seems much stronger, much more concrete.
Cool Story Bro. I too think that my suitcase made of concrete is quite strong.
Nice 180 on what you think of Jam.
HW: Thanks for bringing that up. Zak, just because you're probably town because of your role doesn't mean you can vanish! Also, stop votan pre-emptively, HW.
Jam: Moar obvious bandwagoning.
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This is UK. =V She'd get amusement from how the board could flip extremely quickly.
This is a pretty good point, and it seems fairly likely.
Kay.
Let's try to find some more possible scum with the time we have left!
[cept I have to wake up early so I'm sleeping now D:]
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Kay.
Let's try to find some more possible scum with the time we have left!
Or let's cheerlead without trying to help! :|
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@Kefit: Will you kill Jam tonight? Please say yes.
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I don't see why Jam should die if Sodium gets lynched flips scum, since there is no reason for scum to constantly attempt to bus their partner from their first vote of D1.
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EBWOP: I meant "gets lynched and flips scum".
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Because if Kefit's town and doesn't kill tonight, he's dead.
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I think I made it pretty clear that my interference with Sodium's vig makes no sense whatsoever if I am scum. I don't feel that I should have to commit to a vig of any kind in order to confirm my townieness. I also don't want to commit to a foolish kill that leaves us with another townie death, seeing as we already have so few players remaining.
That being said, if Sodium flips town then I will strongly consider vig'ing Jam.
Oh, and my vig is indeed one time. Sorry I didn't specify that earlier.
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Meh, I suppose that' (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EverythingsEvenWorseWithSharks)s reasonable enough.
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Kefit's case feels sort of like it's getting away on the sake of Appeal to Authority. Yes, it's a nice fancy wall of text, but IMO it's the most flawed thing he's produced all day.
2) All you cops out there don't have to waste time or resources on investigating me. I'm a town Sneering Bastard, which means that I show up as scum to any investigation. Yeah, this looks bad for me, but keep in mind that if I were scum I would prefer to fake claim this AFTER the cop wasted a power use on me.
WIFOM out the ass.
Sakana's claimed power has been perceived as a very powerful ability. It poses a substantial threat to the side opposite of the one with the power.
Scum!Governor is possible. A majority of people told him to go ahead with shooting Sakana. Why are you holding him responsible for a majority decision?
Or it means that Sodium is town and I'm scum, and as scum I tried to interfere with the killing of a threatening townie. Sodium being town means that he rushed to use his vig kill as quickly as possible despite town's best interest of weighing in on the situation and discussing the new circumstances I had brought to the table. Sodium being town just doesn't add up.
You conveniently missed out a third option that makes everything add up: One of you is a Serial Killer/Third-party. Of those two I'm more inclined to think it's you based on a) not mentioning this possibility anywhere in your supposedly concise WoT and b) the fact you've claimed that you target at night and will turn up scum.
That being said, if Sodium flips town then I will strongly consider vig'ing Jam.
Even though you'd be in Mylo with a scum kill in hand?
##Unevict: Jam
##Evict: Kefit
You got away with producing a little here and there up until now, but this attack is nowhere near as good as people are making it out to be. I'm wondering how many people are just reading it and saying to themselves 'Ooh, lots of words and sarcasm! This must be a good case!'.
On this note, Huh What and Jam look bad for just following along.
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You got away with producing a little here and there up until now, but this attack is nowhere near as good as people are making it out to be. I'm wondering how many people are just reading it and saying to themselves 'Ooh, lots of words and sarcasm! This must be a good case!'.
Slightly related, but I found it hilarious that UK would comment like she did on his post, because she'd probably only do that sort of thing if it was magnificent bastardry. :V
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The Sixteenth "Kitten4u Is Finally Doing Something Useful" Vote Count
UK will add flavor later if she feels like it
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
6. MSB (2): Kefit, huh what
7. Edible (0)
9. huh what (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (5): Jam, MSB, Roukanken, Zakeri, Edible
MSB is at L-2
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is in ~31 hours at 6 PM EST, Wednesday, March 31st
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Scum!Governor is possible. A majority of people told him to go ahead with shooting Sakana. Why are you holding him responsible for a majority decision?
Because my vig claim at least warranted some discussion by the group before Sodium popped his power. There was none.
You conveniently missed out a third option that makes everything add up: One of you is a Serial Killer/Third-party. Of those two I'm more inclined to think it's you based on a) not mentioning this possibility anywhere in your supposedly concise WoT and b) the fact you've claimed that you target at night and will turn up scum.
Having not played this game for about four years prior to Himelander, I just had to look up how the serial killer role operates - in other words, it didn't come to my mind when I wrote out my case against Sodium. If I was a serial killer then 1) we would have already seen multiple night kills and 2) I would not have thrust myself into the limelight with a vig claim when I was already getting away with inactivity. Serial killers must survive until the wee end of the game, and risky behavior is not a great way to accomplish this.
Even though you'd be in Mylo with a scum kill in hand?
I was bored in class so I wrote a limerick that effectively communicates my feelings on the potential use of my vig power:
Kefit is now in quite a bad pickle,
To kill or not kill, you guys are fickle,
Edi wants night shot,
Rou says I cannot,
Am I thrown to wolves by you mob of dickles?
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Kefit is now in quite a bad pickle,
To kill or not kill, you guys are fickle,
Edi wants night shot,
Rou says I cannot,
Am I thrown to wolves by you mob of dickles?
*wipes tea off monitor*
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Actually, yeah. Screw it, mind's made up.
##vote Sodium
Kefit, I'll leave it up to you to decide whether to use your kill or not. I'd prefer if you did, but if you're town and scum decides to off you tonight, you won't have a chance to use your kill (assumedly).
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Because my vig claim at least warranted some discussion by the group before Sodium popped his power. There was none.
Again, everyone told him to shoot. Why is Sodium alone responsible for this? :|
If I was a serial killer then 1) we would have already seen multiple night kills and 2) I would not have thrust myself into the limelight with a vig claim when I was already getting away with inactivity.
WIFOM again. If Town doesn't think an SK exists they won't look, and this is a good opportunity to 'clear' yourself regardless.
If Sodium does flip scum, then go nightvigging. If he's Town, it isn't worth the risk considering that it's effectively Lylo after the scum kill.
This claim seems a bit too convenient.
The rest of town might be more lenient.
But whatever they say
I'll ##Vote: Kefit away
And hope everyone else can take the hint.
I'm bad at limericks dwi :<
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I'm devolving into my old habits again. Damn.
Good news is, If Kefit is telling the truth, even in a scenario where we have two scum remaining and a serial killer, then Town has won already.
Note: This is only if Kefit is telling the truth.
What I mean is right now, only four people have a realistic chance of being scum - Sodium, Kefit, Huh what, and Jam. If Kefit is a town vig, then chances are Sodium is the Serial Killer, and Huh What and Jam are our remaining mafiosi.
I generally agree with Kefit's case on Sodium. Sodium's reaction to the fakeclain accusation does make it seem like Sodium wanted to prove his kill, using the majority vote as an excuse for it. Kefit's reaction to Sodium's claim by counterclaiming doesn't seem like something random he threw out there to confuse us (Unless I'm underestimating him). In short, I think Sodium is a serial killer, and Kefit is the real town vig.
I'm doing a real quick reread, skimming over Jam, Sodium, and Huh what's posts, and my theory on who is which faction seems to make a lot of sense. Huh what seems to tunnel on my all day one and two, ignoring everyone else for the most part. Jam tunnels on Edible and cheerleads me for day one, then switches to me day 2 out of desperation.
I'm also starting to see a lot of pokes with regards to the Mafia Triangel. Huh what's 264 concern over Roukan's case on Pesco is the diplomatic equivalent of taking a big stick and using it to shake a nest out of a tree while pretending he doesn't notice it's there. 261 has Pesco asking Sodium why he thinks jam is scummy, and Sodium's reply confuses Huh what into doing the same thing as above again in post 283. Huh what also jumps onto the Sakana wagon once Pesco starts to scapegoat him, and it seems like the Aim of the day for the three of them was to focus on Me and Sakana as scapegoats.
By day three, Jam is all but certain a lynch, and Huh what has been almost completely ignored up until this point. Cue Huh what's case on Jam, which makes a fair bit of headway. Jam's response seems to be that she's all but given up and willing to let Huh what take the credit for her lynch. Cue Vig Madness, and Kefit's huge case on Sodium, shortly followed by both of them ignoring everything they've said to each other before and dumping weight on Sodium, Huh what going so far as to vote along with Kefit.
I would rather we lynch one of Jam and Huh what, having Kefit vig the other, and then sort out the Vig/Serial killer thing tomorrow. Except we've practically already lynched Sodium, since no one can unvote. Yeah. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OhCrap)
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Slightly related, but I found it hilarious that UK would comment like she did on his post, because she'd probably only do that sort of thing if it was magnificent bastardry.
Didn't she remove it? :V
Kefit's case feels sort of like it's getting away on the sake of Appeal to Authority.
I have no idea who he is so not really :V
I don't actually consider him to be obvtown based on his post if that's what you're thinking ("lol if cop investigates me they get scum" just seems kind of like an attempt to cover up any previous guilty investigations.), but his case on Sodium seems pretty sound and I'd like to see how it turns out.
Rereading Kefit's post, I don't really understand why Governor is dangerous for scum, especially in the hands of Sakana, who said he was just going to use it so he doesn't get lynched. I don't think this makes Sodium look any better, though, because if he is scum vig, he could have taken the chance with the intention of getting an easy kill on a townie without getting questioned over it.
Still supporting Sodium lynch either way, since aside from that he doesn't look very good right now, if Sodium flips scum then Kefit and Jam pretty much become obvtown, which is nice.
What I mean is right now, only four people have a realistic chance of being scum - Sodium, Kefit, Huh what, and Jam. If Kefit is a town vig, then chances are Sodium is the Serial Killer, and Huh What and Jam are our remaining mafiosi.
How is Edible obvtown again? He hasn't even said much lately and didn't give him opinion on the Sodium case until a while after it was posted. His roleclaim is not in the favor of any side either. Rou isn't perfect despite being pro-town, but I'd rather wait for Sodium's flip to go over that.
Huh what seems to tunnel on my all day one and two, ignoring everyone else for the most part.
I didn't even have computer access throughout the latter half of D1, but okay.
In 283 I asked that because I had no idea what Sodium meant and assumed that he said everything that he said about Jam applied to Pesco too, which, if you read his post, is stupid.
Hey, question. Has anybody actually gotten doubled by Zak yet? Rou never even said if Zakeri's double worked.
The reason I made that case on Jam is because I noticed the odd wording about her apparent "connection" with you while reread and hadn't seen it before. It doesn't seem to count for much at this point, though. Meh.
Hey, question. Has anybody actually gotten doubled by Zak yet? Rou never even said if the D1 double actually happened.
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Hey, question. Has anybody actually gotten doubled by Zak yet? Rou never even said if the D1 double actually happened.
Rou confirmed somewhere that he got a bonus, yeah.
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Have HMWK/Studying to do.
lol, I am already dead. Well, except for Kefit lynch(lolno), or getting into Haiku battle with someone else.
HW: What is there to suspect about Edible?
Nice to see Zak post.
What the hell is Rou doing?
Don't really see why HW is creaming himself over Kefit's case on me, but whatever.
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For the record, My target for today was Neitz, just in case we needed to hammer in the "All selections in during pre-game" part.
At this rate, only one will know my love :V (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FauxYay)
One or two of those prods may just be coincidence, but they're still there. And I don't mind that Rou hasn't confirmed if my d1 targeting worked or not, since he has no real reason to roleclaim.
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I'm studying for my two tests tomorrow guys...
It sucks, but I really can't have the time to post and whatnot.
I ought to be able to at least say something tomorrow before deadline...
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Dum dee doo.
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Kay.
So.
My role is Kyoko Tachibana, Town Disabler.
So it's sort of like roleblocking, except not exactly... as I have to block the night before to block for the next day/night set.
However, it does make Sodium's idea that there could be 2 townie vigs seem all the more plausible to me.
Why am I saying this? Well, I'd really like to prevent myself from getting viged. Even if I get killed by the mafia, it would be preferable to them killing one of our people in addition to a town being viged.
I honestly just think that we should not use the vig at all unless we somehow become magically sure someone is mafia because there are so few of us left, and if it gets used on a Townie, we're about done due to MATH.
Basically [assumes 2 mafia are left]:
We use the vig on a townie
If we actually manage to lynch a Mafian - there's now one mafia member and 3 town, yay!
If we mislynch - there's now 2 mafia members and 2 townies...
We somehow actually manage to use the vig on a mafia member
If we lynch a mafian - WE WIN! [but really how likely is this given the current track record?]
If we mislynch - one mafia and 3 town are left
If we don't use the vig at all
Lynch a mafia - 4 town, 1 scum
Mislynch - 3 town, 2 scum [not good but far better than the other possibilities]
Once again, this assumes there's 2 scum left, which we can't be sure of... I just thought it'd be a good idea to lay it out like that.
That's about my piece for now.
Gonna wait a bit and see what the thoughts are.
I nothing happens in the few hours we've got left I suppose I'll vote Sodium as he is still somewhat shady, and the chances of someone else being lynched are really freaking small right now.
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Oops I lied.
Assuming my calculation of day ending time is correct this time around, I have class right until the day ends.
I'll try and get on a school computer really quick between classes but I dunno how that'll work..
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So we have two roleblockers, too? <_< Or are you more like a Jailer? Because this seems really stupid.
Jam, how exactly does your "I need to block to block the next day" thing work? Do you just need to block every night or else you can't block anymore or something? You didn't explain it very well.
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Jam claiming what's basically a delayed roleblocker makes my face hurt. Also rolespeculation out the ass and 'I think Town/Town might be possible but I'll lynch Sodium anyway, oh and don't vig me plz'.
Guess the Kefit case isn't going through. >_> If Sodium flips Town, though, I'm on him tomorrow no matter what anyone else says, and even then Scum!Sodium doesn't rule out Kefit as an SK.
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huh what: I don't need to block someone every time [bad wording on my part]. I just have to state who I want to block for the next day and night the night beforehand. ie: I can't block Kefit's vig or any other night actions the night they would happen.
Rou: I'm sorry the roles are weird, I didn't come up with them.
Well there's really no way to prevent Sodium's lynch at this point unless everyone jumps on someone else at the last second. [we have what... an hour I think?]
Kefit is already pretty suspicious in a sense.
I mean he didn't post at all all day and then all of a sudden he comes out with this crazy logic and everyone's all for it? It does seem pretty suspicious. As does his statement that that a cop would find him scum. He states that if he were scum he wouldn't have told us that, but what if he's just trying to buy our trust?
I wouldn't be against lynching Kefit or Sodium, as I can't think of anything overly suspicious anyone else has done. Kefit may even be more shady for winning everyone's trust so quickly.
[class in 3 minutes enough time to like refresh and see if anything happens and if I should vote D:]
I suppose if you want to vote and force a haiku battle that wouldl be possible as well.
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Oh wait.
I suck at math.
Deadline is in like 3 hours, not one.
God am I stupid.
Okay then, I'll vote later on depending on what's going on.
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Kefit you freaking amaze me.
I was thinking of prodding you for not posting at all save for the post about your role today, but this makes up for everything by being dang good.
Kefit is already pretty suspicious in a sense.
I mean he didn't post at all all day and then all of a sudden he comes out with this crazy logic and everyone's all for it? It does seem pretty suspicious. As does his statement that that a cop would find him scum. He states that if he were scum he wouldn't have told us that, but what if he's just trying to buy our trust?
These seem slightly contradictory. :|
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I would say it ought to be known that after thinking, people change their minds sometimes.
I'm trying to actually think rather than just jumping on what sounds smart for once.
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Kefit may even be more shady for winning everyone's trust so quickly.
Uh, how does that make somebody shady at all? That involves the players who trust him more than Kefit himself, really.
I still stand by my earlier post in that Kefit does look somewhat suspicious, but Sodium should be higher priority since he seems more likely to be scum and his flip will give information on Kefit and Jam (and if he's scum, they both become obvtown). If Sodium flips town I'm all for a Kefit lynch tomorrow, though.
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^ That sounds reasonable.
I guess I'm just getting a bit overly paranoid because of the number of people left.
Sodium's flip will clearly help us figure out what to do next, and just about everyone seems down for it. I don't truly think he's scum, but there is enough of a chance of it.
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Okay no input from anyone and day's almost over so Vote Sodium
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Are we still gonna have twilight with Sakana dead?
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That's a hammer. I'll handle all the cool stuff about it after I finish cooking dinner. Gonna lock the thread until I get there
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INBEFORELOCK
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inafterlock :V
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The Eighteenth "End of Day Three" Vote Count
"Someday, someone radical like me will probably appear again. See ya."
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (1): Roukanken
6. MSB (4): Kefit, huh what, Edible, Jam
7. Edible (0)
9. huh what (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (2): MSB, Zakeri
MSB has reached Lynch Count
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is NOW at 6 PM EST, Wednesday, March 31st
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"What the hell is this on our website? I thought Ryoko was going to kill Kyon, yet she's threatening me?"
"Um...you don't know about that. The Ryoko trying to kill Kyon thing"
"I've taken so many liberties with this story do you think a little thing like in character knowledge will stop me!?
"In fact, who the hell are you? I thought Kyon died."
"I'm just pretending to be him so we can have these hilarious dialogues"
"You know what? I give up. Anyway, apparently Ryoko wants to kill me but killed that damned Student Council President instead. Can't say that wasn't worth it but apparently he wasn't that bad a guy. So, she's out of the club"
"Oh, ok"
MakaiSouvenierBooth, Asakura Ryoko, Mafia One Shot Vig, Lynched D3
No twilight yay! Oh yeah, send in your actions within the next 24 hours. I don't feel like being mysterious this time
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Edible DID post a trope >=[. Meaning everyone complied.
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Actually, I did post an honest to goodness trope! It's hidden in my posts to give you something to do at night. :toot:
*stops posting in locked topics*
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Wellp, with the site closing down I'll tell you all who the last scum is. It was actually me. I had a mechanic where I would RNG the kill whenever I was the last scum. I'm actually Haruhi Suzumiya, True God. So, yeah, let's have postgame discussion and all
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...what.
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These early April Fool's jokes are getting old.
What? I'd do it. I would totally be a mafiate in my own game. Granted, I am two hours early for April Fools, but, well, yanno, the sites closing :S
Stop being tricked by early April Fool's jokes.
I'll link some marathon games where I'm a player. I mean, hell, I've been posting in the scum QT all game
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How many people here are familiar enough with UK to know that she loves being a modplayer though?
Also shoosh.
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April Fools on the internet isn't fun anymore. :<
I mean, hell, I've been posting in the scum QT all game
Then link to it :V
I leave that up to my fellow scumbuddies
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Cool, gold shows up normally. Anyway, Day 4 will start tomorrow. Yeah, it's pretty obvious the "UK is scum" thing was a joke
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Well, the topic isn't locked so...
Just a heads up, I'm gonna be at Sakuracon all day Friday and Saturday. I should be around to post on Sunday though.
Try to not fuck up things too badly while I'm gone, k?
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##Vote umu and I.P.D.
Didn't post until the end of D3. Obvscum.
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Yaaaay D4.
I was like: FFF CAN'T CHECK MAFIA GAME AS FORUM IS DOWN THOUGH I KNOW IT'LL ONLY BE FOR A DAY D:
I should be around tomorrow earlier in the day though at night time is anime club and other funtime stuffs.
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"There are only 6 of you left...the original SOS-dan had five members. And you still haven't figured out who's killing you. This is UNACCEPTABLE! WE HAVE A MYSTERY HERE TO SOLVE!"
"Oh, yeah, someone else died"
"DAMMIT! Ok, fine, we're getting serious, no silly games!"
Huh what, Suyoh Kuyo, Townie Modified Doctor, has been Shot N3
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The Ninteenth "Start of Day Four" Vote Count
"What's your name?"
"John Smith"
"...Are you an idiot?"
Mod Note: ALL NEW RULES CLEARED
1. Jam(0)
3. Kefit (0)
7. Edible (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (5): Zakeri, Kefit, Edible, Jam, Roukanken
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline is in 72 hours at 12 PM EST, Monday, April 5
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;_; You scum people are jerks. Remind me to never try anything new ever again.
Best of luck, town. I'll enjoy watching this game from the sidelines~
Also (assuming I can edit now that I'm not actually playing): Who the heck is Suyoh Kuyo? Google gets no results and I've never read the source of this game's flavor so yeah.
I'm surprised. No spelling of her name seems to get results. But, she's there I tell you! Book 9!
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Kefit, did you kill anyone last night or did scum NK? T_T
Anyway, down to one scum now. Here's what I have on just about everyone thus far:
Zak: His role is genuine, but given that we've seen Town!RB with Bard I'm not sure how much we can trust that. He cheerleaded the Pesco wagon for a good while, only actually voting at the end of D2 when his own wagon was almost ready. Likewise with D3, but by that point Sodium was more or less dead anyway so it doesn't mean that much.
Really, though, this is probably nothing.
Kefit: Okay, after yesterday I'm pretty sure that Kefit isn't scum. Sodium's vig could have bought him a hell of a lot of Town cred, so his buddy calling him out on it is pretty suicidal. That said, there is a risk along the lines of third party - I honestly find it hard to think Kefit doesn't have a kill, otherwise he wouldn't be so confident about the Sodium case yesterday. But then why was there only one kill last night?
Edible: Hmm. Edible dropped the third vote on Sodium yesterday, so I find it hard to believe he's scum when it was possible to turn against Kefit instead and even the wagons. He's probably the one player I trust the most at this point.
Jam: Oh god, Jam. She's been pretty horrible all game, to be frank, but there's Sodium's constant wagon-running of her to consider. If anything, though, there's a chance that it's too constant. He seems to try too hard to get her lynched, along with even saying yesterday 'I'd rather shoot Jam but I'll just submit to Town's will here'. Plus there was 'Oh hey, I'm another roleblocker! Just like that Townie guy that died earlier!'
I'm torn between Jam and Kefit right now. Want to hear what Kefit did last night first; if his explanation seems reasonable I'll probably aim for a Jam lynch today. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg296904#msg296904)
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Wait... what?
I don't understand any of your reasoning at all this time Rou.
I was thinking Edible as his role still doesn't feel town or scum to me or Zak.
Your point about Edible putting the third vote on Sodium makes him not seem scummy though as you mentioned so Zak seems most scummy to me still with the bit of stuff I've got to go on given the dwindled number of people.
He's managed to narrowly evade getting lynched and turn everything around.
I don't know.
Rou has seemed pretty much like town to me for the most part as his reasoning generally makes sense.
Kefit could still be scum... there's really not much to go off of for him save for what happened yesterday which while really logical still could be just a really clever attempt to gain townie cred. Honestly, he might not even have the role he stated seeing as we haven't seen another vig yet [though he did state it was one use]. At the same time, 2 scum vigs is reaaally unbalanced since they would know who to vig while town is stuck guessing and trying to reason.
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I'm waiting to see what Kefit has to say about last night before I decide who I want to vote for.
I'd probably be apologizing to Huh What, today, even if he wasn't the night kill.
Also, my entire list of Actions is officially obsolete now, since I won't be targeting another living being for the rest of the game.
1. Roukanken
2. Kefit
3. Neitz
4. Roukanken
5. Pesco
6. Huh what
7. Roukanken
8. Bardiche
9. Edible
10. Roukanken
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Very little else to say at this point. I don't see a better lynch than Jam.
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Zak, why did you target me four times? T_T
Just realised that Kefit has claimed V/LA until Sunday. GM, could we get an extension? Otherwise we might be pressed for time by the time we get back. >_>
I'm pretty sure I have rules about this. Maybe you should use them ^-^
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EBWOP: The time Kefit gets back, I mean. I don't like the idea of hanging around and waiting for his vig results until the last minute. Bleh I haven't slept properly in days x_X
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##Extension
We only need one more if we count Rou's bolded question.
Zak, why did you target me four times? T_T
Because from past experience, it's usually really easy to tell if you're town or not. I sort of used that to the advantage of my role, which is why I voted for you first in day one And I kind of figured it's be nice to give someone multiple shots in case they were doctor or cop or something, and because you're generally a nice guy...
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##Extension
Just to make it official.
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Extension Votes: Zakeri, Roukanken
I'm not giving you all a vote count until you actually vote.
Also, Deadline in um...24 hours unless you get the extension[/b]
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Ok I'm back. I didn't use my vig last night. I don't really think Jam is scum at this point, and I didn't want to take a crap shoot on anyone else.
Speaking of which, I don't really think Jam is scum due to the meta I pointed out here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg297667#msg297667) and the Sodium wagon issues that have been mentioned several times, most recently by Rou here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg300974#msg300974). Jam was already looking really bad by the time Sodium offered to use his vig, so I think that his expressed desire to take out Jam was just an attempt to look pro-townie, rather than an attempt to bus either himself or Jam (bussing would be a bad idea with only two scum left, and at that point Sodium could not have known that his vig would backfire on him like it did).
I'll do a reread and figure out who I actually want to vote for later. Until then, ##Extension.
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K, 24 hour extension granted. New deadline is in a little under 42 hours on Tuesday at 12 PM EST
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I'm more than comfortable enough with Rou and Kefit. Frankly, I think Jam's still scum solely by process of elimination - Zakeri's been mostly quiet, but at least has produced decent things. I disagree with Kefit concerning his tells on Jam.
That said, assuming Kefit's night vig is still active, we should still have a way to win regardless:
1) Lynch Jam or Zakeri. If one is scum, great! If not...
2) Kefit shoots whoever we don't lynch. Scum's NK also goes through, but town will be alive and scum will not.
Thoughts?
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EBWOP:
Nevermind, I am completely retarded. That is a terribly bad idea.
Counting is difficult!
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We don't really need Kefit's vig shot to do anything we can't do with another day of play instead.
...I mean, we could use it to verify if he's lying about it or not, but then we wouldn't have a tomorrow to discuss things with. ???
honestly, the way things look now, the biggest question should be "If it's not Jam, then Who?"
Just looking at day 3, Kefit caught and lead the Sodium wagon. Jam adds her support, but not her vote to the wagon along with huh what who did vote. Edible then adds a third vote which basically seals Sodium's death right there. Then finally the Jam Hammer. In short, if Rou isn't the last scum, then there's some major busing happening here.
My money is still on Jam, but to be honest Kefit being the last one wouldn't be all that surprising considering...
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What annoys me about Kefit not shooting is that now he most likely won't shoot at all. If we mislynch today, a misfire from Town!Kefit will cost Town the game. Worse yet, we now have no way of confirming whether Kefit's claim is true as a result - again, outright scum is unlikely after yesterday, but the third-party threat still irks me with the risk of a joint-win tomorrow if we mislynch today.
Jam has done nothing to help herself. At all. Seriously. By now the 'braindead Townie' clear is really wearing thin. Maybe we're just overthinking this?
I'll hold my judgement until Kefit finishes his reread and places a vote.
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##Vote: The molecules of nitrogen about 1cm in front of and 3cm to the left of UK's nose
The 3.1415...th "Players outside the game voting!?" VoteCount
The molecules of nitrogen about 1cm in front of and 3cm to the left of UK's nose: Alice Blackburn
Not Voting (3,792): All forum users not in this game
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No one has still voted, deadline is in like, 18 hours. Might wanna get on that
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##Vote: The molecules of nitrogen about 1cm in front of and 3cm to the left of UK's nose
Might as well get a bandwagon going. :V
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##Vote: The molecules of nitrogen about 1cm in front of and 3cm to the left of UK's nose
Are dead people counted in "Players outside the game voting!?" votecounts? Because I support this notion.
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Ok, seriously, this is getting out of hand. If you aren't in the game, either as mod or player, don't post please. If you are dead, also don't post please
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Right, I see Kefit online now. It's been over a day since he said he'd do a re-read, so I'm expecting him to post something relatively soon. Otherwise he's been leaving us hanging for too long, and I'll place my vote on him. I'll be around before deadline if necessary, but Kefit's lack of vig and lack of content today don't exactly fill me with glee.
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Yes, Mistress.
My patients is beginning to wear thin anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote: Kefit
He has absolutely no presence on day one or two, And has only commented on a few people when he did post. Despite this, he's been given no pressure at all this entire game, usually because he's provided adequate and often real excuses for why he's not here.
Out of the Sodium case yesterday, I believe Kefit is actually the second most likely to be busing (After Jam, of course) Kefit's argument seems heavily planned. It's not on as much of a whim as it should be, and the Case is just based off of a single thing Sodium did. Rou is right in calling Appeal to Authority on it, and what makes it seem more like something they planned out together was that Kefit had presented counter arguments which he deconstructed in the same post. This looks more like the result of a brainstorming session.
Add to that the fact that Kefit has not shot at all last night, given the excuse that he didn't feel Jam was scummy enough for it. Now that it's detrimental to have Kefit shoot gives MafiaKefit the perfect leeway, since he no longer has to prove he can shoot.
I think Kefit being a Serial killer is unlikely at this point, since He would have no reason to counterclaim or even make a case on Sodium if this were the case. There's also the issue of there only being One Night Kill every night - I don't think there is another potential night kill in play.
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Halfway through a reread, I'll get something posted up soon. We've still got plenty of time folks, no need to rush into votes yet.
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Halfway through a reread, I'll get something posted up soon. We've still got plenty of time folks, no need to rush into votes yet.
Actually, we probably should have voted a while ago, thanks to Nitori's brand new invention: The unvote.
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Oho, I was unaware that that rule was abolished. Makes me wonder why you guys are putting the onus of discussion and taking stances upon me, but whatever.
Clearly no one reads votecounts. Further, given the rule changes EVERY DAY, I'd think checking the rules at the start of every day would be instinct at this point :P
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I'm still exhausted from the con and my head hurts like hell after a full day of school today, so this post will be a bit more brusque than is usual from me.
Edible
Supported and employed Pesco's vote confusion tactics - that is, adding in additional and largely unnecessary vote types - on day one (see: here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288030#msg288030) and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288394#msg288394). Pesco placed the first evict (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286016#msg286016) on the d1 wagon against Edible. Has not contributed much since then, but did place the third real vote on the Pesco wagon d2, which was the deciding vote for the lynch (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg294582#msg294582).
Rou
Pesco and Sodium initially vote for him to be king d1. Placed the first evict vote against Pesco, which would eventually become a wagon. Can't seem to make up his mind on whether I am scummy or not. First he suggests that even thinking about using my vig was scummy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg298001#msg298001), then the results of Sodium's scum flip make him "pretty sure that Kefit isn't scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg300974#msg300974)" but in the same post says he's torn between lynching Jam or me for today, and finally expresses frustration that I didn't shoot (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg303336#msg303336) last night, in seeming contradiction to his d3 post declaring a shot to be a very bad idea.
Zakeri
Defended Pesco and his vote confusion tactics (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg288680#msg288680) on d1. Posted chaff about not having intent to "dodge responsibility" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg289372#msg289372) for the Nietz lynch on d1. Continued to defend Pesco (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293434#msg293434) on d2, but then suddenly changes his stance (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293972#msg293972) to preferring a Pesco lynch, followed by placing the second real vote on Pesco (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg294578#msg294578). Worth noting that Pesco voted for Zakeri d2.
Despite all this, Zakeri's doubling power has been confirmed by Rou, and it doesn't seem to be something that would make any sense in the hands of the scum. Rou wouldn't lie about this unless he was scum, which would probably mean that both Zakeri and Rou are scum - which I very much doubt is the case due to the game size.
Jam
Basically no real contribution as far as scum hunting goes, but has made continual attempts to appear active, such as keeping track of evict counts and her response to Edible's roleclaim (gone into with more detail by me here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg294681#msg294681)). Was ready to give up and die d3, which strikes me as reminiscent of when she did the same thing in Himelander. Sodium voted against Jam basically the entire game, despite the presence of wagons voting elsewhere. Hammered Sodium (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg299382#msg299382) on d3. Has made a dubious roleclaim, especially considering that town has already had one roleblocker.
Analysis
Zakeri's behavior on the first couple of days with regards to Pesco bugs the hell out of me, but I simply cannot see him as scum after Rou confirmed his power.
Edible hasn't given much to go off of lately. He supported Pesco's tactics d1, but placed the deciding vote that lynched Pesco on d2. His attempts to add to vote confusion d1 seem to be in line with his signature selfish play, which Kilga averred to on d1. Gets a pass from me now, though I think he deserves a real careful look if he is still alive tomorrow.
Rou is basically the opposite of Zakeri. His play the first couple of days was great for town, first in suggesting the evict system to get around mod assholeness, and second in starting the case against Pesco d2. However, his wishy washy attitudes towards me since I roleclaimed yesterday is disconcerting, though it reminds me of his cautious attitude towards me near the end of Himelander (in which Rou was town).
Jam hasn't done anything except pretend to be active. Her roleclaim doesn't make any real sense unless UK is being especially assholish with this setup. Placed the hammer vote on Sodium after it became inevitable that Sodium would be lynched d3. The train lead by Sodium against Jam all game has made me hesitate, but after a full thread review I agree with Rou's stance that this train seemed too random in origin and too strangely consistent to be a scum vs town train. Jam's rolling over and dying behavior may be an attempt to take advantage of meta from Himelander, and I suppose that I should trust the meta knowledge held by those of you who have played in more than one game with her.
Vote: Jam
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EBWOP
Made a misread of the the post on which I stated that Zakeri was defending Pesco on d2 (linked again here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg293434#msg293434)). Zakeri was actually advocating a Pesco lynch in that post for information gathering, which is consistent with his later posts in d2. He was already looking good before due to his roleclaim, but I guess this makes him look better.
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The Twenthieth "Song to be linked" Vote Count
"Flavor to be quoted"
Mod Note: I figured you all would want one of these since I won't wake up until about 3 hours before deadline.
1. Jam (1): Kefit
3. Kefit (1): Zakeri
7. Edible (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (3): Edible, Jam, Roukanken
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline is in 12 hours at 12 PM EST, Tuesday, April 6
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I don't care anymore. D:
Though I suppose I think it'd be nice to see town win for once...
So...
Kefit: Didn't post anything at all really at first [yes there was a legit excuse I know]. The only time he really did post he got everyone to follow his suggestion, which is quite a feat. His reasoning seemed spot on, and he took into account EVERY SINGLE thing Sodium could have done.
Possibly them working together as was suggested above...
Rou: He still seems pretty solid to me. He tends to mention his thoughts on everyone for the most part and show reasoning.
Zak: Did a lot of not so hot stuff towards the start, but after his roleclaim the spotlight's been off him.
Hmmm... I'll just Vote Zakeri and we'll see what happens.
P.S.: Jam just got a job and will thus not be around until quite a while after the day ends. D: I may pop in again before I go to sleep though....
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First he suggests that even thinking about using my vig was scummy (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg298001#msg298001)
Blatant misrep. If you'll read the linked post in full, you'll see that I was irritated because you were willing to shoot if we mislynched that day, when we would be in Mylo (Lylo following the upcoming scum kill). I even say here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg298315#msg298315) that 'If Sodium flips scum, use your vig', so there's no contradiction here.
then the results of Sodium's scum flip make him "pretty sure that Kefit isn't scum" but in the same post says he's torn between lynching Jam or me for today
Again, third-party is a genuine risk in my eyes, because it means there could be a joint win with scum if we mislynch today.
Zak raising the possibility that Kefit may have been bussing Sodium hard is something I didn't consider, and makes me wonder if I overlooked the possibility of Scum!Kefit a little too soon.
So I'm left with Kefit's reread, which is half IIoA and half 'wait, the person I didn't want to vig last night is scummy after all!' and Jam's apathetic departure with a vote on Zakeri, of all people. Still don't suspect Zak based on his role, still don't suspect Edible for being on both scum lynches thus far, so really I'm down to two suspects atm.
Of those two, at least Kefit is making an effort to contribute. Jam's content today has been, in a word, abysmal. Her last-ditch vote on Zak comes with the most apathetic analysis I've ever seen ('I'll just vote Zak and see what happens' for doing some 'not-so-hot stuff'? Really?) and makes me really wonder if I've just been overthinking the case on Kefit all this time.
##Vote: Jam
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I'll vote Jam when it comes down to the wire. For the record, I can provide clears for everyone except Jam, which makes her the best lynch by default.
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Yo, I'm also here in case I need to switch or something.
Jam lynch is fine with me. If She's scum, we win. If not, it only adds to the Kefit-Scum theory.
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I believe it is now "the wire."
##vote Jam
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Yep, a lynch happened. Lemme get you a votecount and remember what role Jam had :P
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The Twenty-First "Parallel Days"[url] Vote Count (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNg3X68M1U)
"How dare you kidnap Mikuru?"
Mod Note: So yeah, I'm running out of songs and I can't be arsed to find accurate quotes.
1. Jam (3): Kefit, Roukanken, Edible
3. Kefit (1): Zakeri
7. Edible (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (1): Jam
Not Voting (0)
Jam-Kiske has been lynched
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline is NOW at 12 PM EST, Tuesday, April 6
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*insert dramatic fake quotes here of Haruhi discussing the game with someone, discovering Kyoko Tachibana is in the club, evicting her for kidnapping Mikuru at one point, and finding out she's town*
Jam-Kiske, Kyoko Tachibana, Townie Disabler, lynched D4
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It is now night 4, please give me your actions in 24 hours
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"Four people left. Four. Is this all that's left of my brigade? WE STARTED WITH FIVE! Are you all such utter failures that you can't find a simple murderer!?"
"Three people Haruhi."
"What's that-"
*gunshot*
"Three people, as I said"
Haruhi's dead body slumps down, and somehow you all completely miss who the culprit is. Ah well, hope you figure them out today
Sorry about the lateness, I've been out most of today. Anyway, I'll probably throw some cute flavor up later, but Edible's dead
Edible, Suzumiya Haruhi, Townie Dreaming God, has been shot N4
So yeah, all new rules have been cleared. Again
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The Twenty Second "Start of Day Five" Vote Count
"A picture of you sleeping with a stupid look on your face totally oblivious to the dangers of this trip serves as a warning to future generations!"
Mod Note: So, I may not be here to update at deadline, hopefully the game will be over before then.
3. Kefit (0)
11. Roukanken (0)
12. Zakeri (0)
Not Voting (3): Kefit, Roukanken, Zakeri
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch
Deadline is in 72 hours at 9 PM EST, Saturday, April 10
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Well, that's about what I expected if Edi wasn't the last scum, seeing as both Zakeri and Rou have made well known their desire to rape the shit out of me. Should be easy enough for whichever one of you is scum to rely on the other to place the first vote, right? I highly advise backing off of this attitude lest one of you wants to be humiliated come the end of game.
Rou, I've got a couple of questions for you. Your knee-jerk response may be not to answer them, but we're now on the last day. I do not see a need to hide information for any longer.
1) Do you have any confirmation that Zakeri's alleged doubling power was actually effective? That is, that it actually did what it purported to do? If so, how and when has the doubling been confirmed?
2) What is your role? I believe that you are the only person who hasn't claimed at this point - or indeed who has been alive in the last couple of days who hasn't claimed.
By the way, you guys may have noticed that the roles in this game have generally been strange or had unusual quirks to them. Mine is no different. In addition to my nightvig, I am also immune to night kills. My wonderful Sneering Bastard "ability" (you know, the one that makes me come up as scum to any Cop investigations) presumably exists to counteract this disadvantage. I was trying pretty hard on day three to get the scum to waste their next night kill on me, but it didn't work out. Of course, I still die if #scum = #town at night.
It should be pretty obvious why I haven't revealed this until now. But what you may not realize is that I actually did claim this power earlier:
Kefit is now in quite a bad pickle,
To kill or not kill, you guys are fickle,
Edi wants night shot,
Rou says I cannot,
Am I thrown to wolves by you mob of dickles?
Take the fifth word of the fifth line, the fourth word of the fourth line, the third word of the third line, the second word of the second line, and the first word of the first line and arrange in that order:
Wolves Cannot Night Kill Kefit
I'll post some more thoughts after Rou answers my questions.
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I'd like to hear what Rou's role is as well before I dive into today.
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I don't even get flavor for my death?
D:
Maybe eventually, I'm kinda burned out
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Welp, looks like it's time to claim now. Yuki Nagato, Townie Data Analyser. Or at least I would be if Haruhi hadn't plugged me into a mains socket as a joke. Now I'm a Townie Faulty Data Analyser.
Put simply, I was given four investigations (listed as A, B, C and D), and told that they could potentially be one of 5 different types - Sane Affiliation, Insane Affiliation, Naive Affiliation, Paranoid Affiliation, or Rolecop. I could use one every night.
On Night 1, I was given mod confirmation that any investigation I had could now be used twice in 1 night. Seeing the opportunity for two investigations instead of one, I decided to investigate Pesco and Bard with investigation C. Pesco turned up scum, hence me going after him the next day, while Bard (who I checked to see if I could resolve the Edible/Bard incident in any way) flipped Town and thus slipped out of my suspicions.
I figured Pesco had done enough that was suspicious that it was worth assuming the result was Sane, and if he flipped Town then it was an insane investigation and therefore Bard was obvscum.
Night 2, I used investigation A on Sodium, which returned him as a One-Shot Vig. This is what led to the D3 shenanigans. >_>
By Night 3, things were getting awkward. My only remaining possible investigations were Naive, Paranoid and Insane, and I had no way of telling one from the other. Given that by now Kefit had already claimed that he returned scum in all investigations (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg297667#msg297667) I didn't see the point in investigating him, and threw a look at Jam (investigation D, if it's relevant). She returned as Town, which I can now assume was my Naive investigation.
Which leads me to tonight, getting another boost from Zak. I figure to myself 'hey, I may as well use my last investigation. Now that I've got two targets it might actually be useful!' So with nothing else to do, I targeted Kefit and Zak. Both returned as scum, which pretty much confirms my last investigation was paranoid. >_>
So yeah, that's just about everything I have. Still find it really hard to see Zak as scum given that his role has been confirmed to me twice, and Kefit doubling up his claim to add 'Oh, BTW, scum never had a chance of killing me' doesn't win me over in terms of clearing him.
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This really goes a long way to explaining your vote for Kefit on day three which back then made me facepalm. It also fits in perfectly with just about everything else you've done, so I can't see how this could possibly be a lie.
So not only am I half certain Kefit is scum, I'm completely certain Rou is not.
First things first: My case from yesterday (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg303874#msg303874) still stands. In 480 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg302579#msg302579) he defends Jam as town (Based on meta no less, now that I look back), but in 496 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg303928#msg303928) He votes Jam as the worst playing individual still in the game. I can really only see this as a backtrack that was spawned by the fact the Kefit was lying about his shot.
On top of that, there's no part of his role that seems townie to me. He claims Miller along with Vig, in which Miller is short for "Please don't investigate me." And just recently claimed bulletproof which is a role often given to the Serial killer, and in some cases with a secondary kill, to the godfather of the mafia. On top of this, we have no proof that any part of Kefit's role is true (with the possible exception of the miller role, if we assume Rou's last investigation is insane) but even if we could tell, it wouldn't really mean anything.
Besides, even when you consider inactivity, the first two days of play really don't look like a Miller//Vig/Bulletproof trying to get scum's attention for the nightkill.
Basically I don't see how it couldn't be Kefit.
##Vote: Kefit
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This really goes a long way to explaining your vote for Kefit on day three which back then made me facepalm. It also fits in perfectly with just about everything else you've done, so I can't see how this could possibly be a lie.
How does finding out that Sodium is a vig explain a vote on me for day three? So Rou knew that Sodium was a vig. Guess what? We all knew that after Sodium used his vig power! If this information somehow made it so clear to Rou that I was scum, then why didn't anyone else with the same information vote for me?
And you're completely certain that Rou is not scum now? You must have missed the hole in his explanation:
Which leads me to tonight, getting another boost from Zak. I figure to myself 'hey, I may as well use my last investigation. Now that I've got two targets it might actually be useful!' So with nothing else to do, I targeted Kefit and Zak. Both returned as scum, which pretty much confirms my last investigation was paranoid. >_>
Rou claims that he had nothing else to do except use his double investigation on me and you (Kefit and Zak). But wait a second here - Edible was alive last night! Rou had another viable option in targeting me and Edible, or even in targeting Zak and Edible. At this point Zak's townieness must have been nearly proven to Rou, so me and Edible would have made a lot more sense than me and Zak.
I also find Rou's story to be a little too fabricated in the sense that everyone he targeted died immediately afterward. In other words, they didn't stick around for long, meaning that Rou wouldn't have to justify much of his own behavior regarding the people he had investigated.
Rou's story works out fairly conveniently if he's actually a scum rolecop. First the scum kill Bard, the roleblocker. Why kill Bard on night 2? He wasn't doing anything up to that point. But killing him makes sense if scum know he's the roleblocker. Then scum kill huh what, the doctor. Why kill huh what, people were annoyed d3 that he wasn't doing much of anything! But man, if they know he's the doctor then he's the prime choice (in other words, Rou would have actually investigated huh what rather than sodium).
I'm I sure that this is what actually happened? No. But I believe it is a possibility. It is a possibility that discounts Rou's story from completely clearing himself. It is a possibility that should be considered, among others.
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By the way, my Jam vote was the result of rereading the entire thread. A greater understanding of the context of her behavior and the Sodium train against her convinced me that there was a possibility that she was scum. While I wasn't entirely convinced that she was scum, it did seem more likely than any other scum choice.
Besides, I'm sure that you guys would have lynched me yesterday if I had voted for anyone else, what with the way you all just sat there waiting, refusing to do anything until I made my stance known. Seems I was damned either way. Kind of reminds me of that limerick again :p
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You're right, the possibility does exist, but that alone isn't a reason to doubt him.
You do bring up an interesting point though. Rou, you already knew Kefit would turn up scum, so why didn't you target Edible last night?
##Unvote
As for you, Kefit, which of us do you likely think is scum now? Who would you be more willing to vote?
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At this point I would be most willing to vote Rou. The questions I asked him were designed for two purposes:
1) To give us more information on Rou himself; alternatively, to give him the chance to slip up if he is scum and has to fabricate a story.
2) To further solidify your (Zak's) role.
Before Rou answered these questions, I considered some means by which Zak could be faking this role. One that came to mind was if Zak was a False Inventor or some variant thereof. He may have sent Rou a false power, or merely made use of some kind of mod messaging ability (such as was present in Himelander) to lie to Rou about a power doubling. But now Rou has confirmed that not only did he receive the power doubling on both days that Zak said he'd get it, but also that this power was effective.
So at this point Zak's role as a power doubler has basically been confirmed. Either Rou is town, in which case he has no reason to lie about it, or he is scum and thus Zak has no reason to lie about it. While this doesn't prove Zak's alignment, I really can't see how this power could possibly ever belong to scum, especially in a game like this where scum have powers that can be repeatedly abused with the doubling power.
So that leaves me with Rou. And really, I kind of like the way that things fit together if Rou is a scum rolecop. Perhaps he rolecop'd me night one and found out I was bulletproof (he certainly would have no need to actually rolecop Pesco). Since he knew he couldn't kill me at night, he's lead a witch hunt against me ever since I raped the shit out of his scum buddy on day three.
Yeah, it's just a story. But I like stories that fit together conveniently. One such story allowed me to nab Sodium, after all. And I really can't think of any such stories that explain Zak scum at this point.
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How does finding out that Sodium is a vig explain a vote on me for day three? So Rou knew that Sodium was a vig. Guess what? We all knew that after Sodium used his vig power! If this information somehow made it so clear to Rou that I was scum, then why didn't anyone else with the same information vote for me?
By the D3 shenanigans, I mean the callout here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg296873#msg296873) where I pretty much ask Sodium to shoot Sakana.
As for the vote on you - well, it made sense to me given that a) Sodium had proven his power while you hadn't (and I'll add, you STILL haven't), and b) you conveniently missed out the third-party option in your wall accusing him.
Rou, you already knew Kefit would turn up scum, so why didn't you target Edible last night?
For the sake of testing sanity. By now I was down to either Insane or Paranoid investigations. If Kefit returned Town then it had to be an Insane investigation, and therefore Zak's affiliation was the opposite of what it came across as. Therefore if Zak returned as Town he was the last scum, and if he returned as Scum then it was between Kefit and Edible (again, I trusted Edible over Kefit, but that was assuming Edible even survived the night). If Kefit returned Scum - as he did - it was the paranoid investigation and therefore useless.
As for why I targeted Zak over Edible? Like I said, Edible had been decisive on two different scum (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg294599#msg294599) trains (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg298300#msg298300), so either he was the biggest busser ever or he was just a damn accurate scumhunter. Zak meanwhile had received a clear from me based on role, and given that we apparently had two roleblockers on Town's side (Seriously, UK? Seriously?) it wasn't totally impossible that Zak was scum with a Townie role.
I only see one flipped roleblocker. Where do you see two? Does anyone else see two roleblockers? Cause I sure don't see two roleblockers.
To clarify for whiny people who are saying I interfere too much with the game, Disabler != roleblocker. The confusion may have occured for some odd reason but it's not the case. This is public information somewhere, so I feel comfortable revealing it
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EBWOP: Also, Kefit, just for the sake of completion, feel like nameclaiming? I can't see a nameclaim looking through your posts.
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I am Fujiwara, Townie NK Immune Miller Vig. No spiffy unique name for my role or anything. Hell, I don't even recognize the character name.
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Hell, I don't even recognize the character name.
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4872/2783873.th.jpg) (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/2783873.jpg/)
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Gee I certainly didn't think of that.
ps haruhi
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Okay seriously we need to do something, I only just noticed we don't get an extra-long LYLO day and discussion is dead.
Still intent on voting for Kefit, mainly because I can't come up with any sort of scenario where Zak is scum failing UK being completely out of order with the roles.
In fact, colour me completely convinced by now. If I've messed this up and Zak is somehow scum, I will give him a freaking medal.
##Vote: Kefit
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Still intent on voting for Kefit, mainly because I can't come up with any sort of scenario where Zak is scum failing UK being completely out of order with the roles.
In fact, colour me completely convinced by now. If I've messed this up and Zak is somehow scum, I will give him a freaking medal.
Haha, for once I agree with you, Rou. Zak, you deserve this win if you are the scum.
##Vote: Rou
I'll just make a couple of final points before leaving this in your hands, Zak.
1) Either Rou was bussing hard on Pesco d2, when three scum were remaining, or I was bussing hard on Sodium on d3, when only two scum remained. Which of these scenarios makes more sense? Yes, this is a bit WIFOM, but even with all the WIFOM in the world I can't see scum willingly halve their own ranks when there are only seven people remaining in the game.
2) Your argument here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg303874#msg303874) is essentially that my own argument against Sodium was too good. Please consider that I will be graduating from a top tier law school in two months. I have spent the last three years learning how to argue effectively. The idea that my argument is too good should not be a point against me.
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Posting to say "Not it"
Also, that I'm going to be spending the rest of the day rereading.
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1) Either Rou was bussing hard on Pesco d2, when three scum were remaining, or I was bussing hard on Sodium on d3, when only two scum remained. Which of these scenarios makes more sense? Yes, this is a bit WIFOM, but even with all the WIFOM in the world I can't see scum willingly halve their own ranks when there are only seven people remaining in the game.
What did I have to gain from bussing Pesco? I had already been written off as Town by the majority, that's why I got made King D1. Going out of my way afterwards to bus Pesco seems like overkill.
And meanwhile, you had been getting by for two days doing much, offering little to the discussion. Who would discussion turn to after Sodium shot Sakana? Jam would probably end up being lynched, but then it's the same scenario except you haven't offered anything to the conversation and it's possible Sodium's previous misdeeds will damn him anyway. Bussing him D3 gives you a massive clear and lets you away with your lack of content elsewhere, and combined with your apparent uncertainty about shooting Jam N3 allows you to claim having nightkill powers without having to actually prove them.
That's pretty much everything over here, as well. It's down to Zak now.
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One final argument for my case before I leave for the day.
Zak, there's a question I would like you to ask yourself: Why are both Rou and I still alive? We know now that either Rou or I is scum - which means that the other has been a very powerful force for town, left untouched by scum even after the doctor's death. I will cover both scenarios.
Rou Scum
Rou's been at my throat since d3, and before then was a paragon of townieness. If Rou is scum, then he knew my analysis in my case against Sodium d3 was correct. He also knew that I had a vig power which I was loath to use on Jam (someone he also knew wasn't scum; that is, someone who it would be good for me to use my vig power on in the eyes of the scum). So why didn't he kill me that night? Well, perhaps he was afraid that a doctor would save me. Luckily he got rid of the doctor that night. So why didn't I die last night? Because Rou knew that you were already predisposed towards me, and figured that the two of you vs me would be the easiest final day configuration available for him.
Or we could go with my pet theory that Rou is a rolecop, and he knew that I was bulletproof. Thus, he had to get my lynched if he wanted me gone. Would nicely explain why he waited for me to vote on d4 before he placed his own vote. If I hadn't of voted for Jam, then he would have had a nice excuse to start a wagon against me.
Kefit Scum
Rou's been at my throat since d3, and before then was a paragon of townieness. He's been the largest threat to scum all game, and continues to threaten as he attempts to get me lynched.
Yet I let him live through the first two game nights untouched. Maybe I'm afraid of the doctor on night three, when Rou really started going against me. But was I really too afraid of the doctor to go after Rou on any of the first three game nights? Somehow I luck out and kill the doctor on night three. So why didn't I kill Rou last night? Did I really prefer to keep the two people most against me alive? I'd have nothing but a flimsy WIFOM defense to use in standing up to this lynch mob. Alternatively, I could have killed Rou last night, getting rid of the super townie and leaving a much less biased play group of me, Zak, and Edible. But for some reason I didn't do this.
Which of these situations do you think is more likely? Or is this just more WIFOM? Well yes, it is WIFOM. But that doesn't mean you should discard it out of hand. The general idea behind WIFOM is that a given choice is less immediately advantageous for the scum, but brings with it a lower chance of detection. Thus, a single piece of WIFOM, when taken alone, invites reasonable skepticism. But many pieces of WIFOM will aggregate into an insurmountable hinderance for the scum, as each individual disadvantage adds up. And man, if I'm scum this game then I sure have let a lot of WIFOM disadvantages add up against me.
Don't believe me? Just ask Rou! He's been kind enough to point out possible Kefit WIFOM ever since he got on my case during day three. See here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg298001#msg298001), and here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg298315#msg298315). Of course, I recently took to pointing out potential Kefit WIFOM myself (ie choices I made that would disadvantage scum), such as in the previous paragraph and in this post here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg307637#msg307637).
A Rou scum scenario, on the other hand, would see Rou stopping the WIFOM induced bleeding after the Pesco lynch (a scum bus is essentially a WIFOM situation). At this point, as established town, he had no reason to bring about more disadvantages for the scum. Funny enough, this was the last time Rou would something harmful to the scum, as shortly after this he started driving full speed ahead on the Kefit and Jam train.
So, what makes more sense: Kefitscum wiling to bleed to death in an endless series of needless tricks to fool town, or Rouscum smartly applying a bandage after pulling off one painful trick to affirm his innocence?
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Edible/Zak/Kefit is not a safe setup for Scum!Kefit. Look at it this way - Zak is still looking at Kefit after D4, and with my death I'll have confirmed Zak's role and thus Edible has no other target but Kefit. Of the three remaining players, I'm just about the only one you had a valid chance of forcing a mislynch on in Lylo. As for why you didn't hit me N3, there's the simple fact that I went out on a limb protecting someone who turned out to be scum the day before, and there was a good chance Town would do the dirty work for you by pressing me on it.
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All of your current arguments sucks. All of them. I'm talking to both of you.
Comparing a scenario where Rou dies to one where Edible dies is meaningless. Whether Kefit or Rou are scum, killing Edible just plain makes sense. For Rou, it would be because I'm already on the Kefit wagon and switching to an Edible wagon wouldn't make sense. For Kefit, It was between Rou, who started the Pesco case and countered the Sodium case, and Edible who sealed both Pesco's and Sodium's deaths with the third vote on both.
The points between Rou bussing Pesco and Kefit bussing Sodium are rather moot to me. Rou had a lot less to suffer from leading a wagon on pesco as scum, but he also had less to gain from it. The only reason for Scum Rou to do something like that would just be Meta based Fanservice. Kefit however had a lot to gain from bussing Sodium. Giving him the potential for a game wide clear to ride until the end. The fact that Kefit is using this as his argument for why Rou is scum proves this is true.
I can't discount the rolecop theory, but once you think about it, it doesn't necessarily mean Roukan is the role cop. It certain explains huh what's death, and it could potentially be the basis for Bard's death as well (Though, for night one and two deaths, I'd put more stock in the reason being "Least likely to be/cause a mislynch" which Bard would be at that point.)
The only real legitimate scumtell I see from Rou is his chainsaw defense of Sodium. The rest of the game for him is squeaky clean. I'm giving Rou slack for targeting Jam since the only one opposed to a Jam lynch was Jam. Of this, however, Rou's defense of Sodium is completely logical.
Meanwhile, Kefit has been inactive for all of day one and two. Day four, he claims he didn't want to vig based on a meta read of jam, but after a full reread, votes her. This is either a backtrack caused by a lack of vig, or a lucky, if brainless move by town. His case on sodium makes sense, but it predisposes itself to circular logic, which means Kefit's case was either a lucky shot, or started by the knowledge that Sodium is scum in the first place. This isn't a solid point because if Kefit is town and did have a Vig, then he would have on good authority that Sodium is scum due to counterclaims.
In short, the Sodium case is probably the biggest part and the deciding factor in who I vote for, and for both sides it's almost a null tell.
Out of all the things I can say, the only thing that comes to mind is "u?~"
Both because it's the best moe sound effect I can think of to describe how I feel, and because like the real u?, I would give my left nut for two vig shots back to back.
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Less than 11 hours remaining! Kefit and Rou each have a vote
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I just don't know.
Rou's been posting good posts for twice as long as Kefit has, and Rou has only made one mistake. Kefit obviously hasn't been in enough discussion for me to get a full grasp on his alignment over Rou's, which just goes to show why discussion is so pro-town. I'm going to ##Vote: Kefit for this reason, even though he does have some legitimate excuses for why he hasn't posted much day one.
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gj
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Kefit playing Fujiwara, Townie NK Immune Miller Vig has been lynched!
Zakeri playing Sasaki, Townie Doubler endgamed
The scum team of Pesco, MakaiSouvenirBooth, and Roukanken has won the game!
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(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2508/advicemomiziharuhimafia.jpg)
I might be more upset at how Day 3 was blithely ignored in the days that followed, but I correctly called the entire scum team right after my death (and it's on record for everyone to see) as well as Bard's N2 NK, so I'm pretty happy with myself even though I supremely fucked up my role by not actually using it.
Congrats to Roukan, your play wasn't perfect by any stretch, but you played well enough to win, and ultimately that's what matters.
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Derpaderp. gj scum.
@ Rou: Because of my stupidity, I wasn't actually able to protect past D1, so I was really just a generic townie when you killed me despite your investigation. However, I pretty much figured you were scum after Sodium's flip and was planning to go after you D4, so I dunno if you were better off lynching me anyway. (Tbh I doubt people would have listened to me.)
I didn't do that great for my first game (my apologies for D1 and especially N1, that was just kinda dumb), but I'm somewhat glad about my performance on the grounds that I could have been much, much worse.
Also, are we supposed to link to the dead people qt?
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herp derp.
That's all I have to say about my play.
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Let the mods do the linking of stuff. It's their game they ran.
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After this game and Himelander I'm pretty sure that town has no actual desire to win games here.
Just a small note: going on a witch hunt against the guy who correctly counter claimed the scum vig is an incredibly scummy thing to do holy shit how did Rou get people to help him do this. Also I've never fucking seen a town vig used well in any game I've ever played; keeping it in reserve is generally better for town then firing it off at someone random. Don't fucking witch hunt against vigilantes who fucking correctly counter claim a scum vig because they refuse to use their vig.
ps my vig worked on a point system. I had zero points. I could only gain points if someone tried to night kill me and failed. I felt that revealing this would reduce the potency of my claim and lower my threat level in the eyes of scum, thus leading to a smaller chance of being night killed. Didn't want to reveal this on the final day because I thought that such a large backtrack on my previous claim would devastate my credibility. All in all, if I made one mistake this game it was probably this, though I'm not even sure if I played this incorrectly. My role this game was so horrendous that I dunno if there was even a good way to play it at all.
pps You guys should be figuring out by now that I only post when I have something meaningful to say. This means that I generally avoid the crapshoot that is day one. When I do post, my posts contain something worthwhile. Note my first post mindhax on Rou (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5363.msg286669#msg286669). This Is How I Play This Game. This Is Not A Reason To Find Me Scummy.
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I feel like an idiot :<
The only reason I even joined this game was because literally no one else was going to.
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Holy crap, I actually did it.
To clarify, since it didn't come out, I was really a scum JoaT. Global roleblock (but it also blocks the scum NK), one rolecop (used N2 on HW), one redirect (used twice on N1 to make Bard and Kefit target each other out of blatant paranoia), one delayed roleblock (target someone at night, their powers fail for the next 2 phases), and finally a mysterious 'role enhancement' that UK never clarified. Target someone at day, and their power is 'enhanced' that night. I tried using it on Kefit with the intent of global roleblocking, then turning onto Zakeri when his powerups failed to follow the order he had set out, but then UK reminded me I could only use one JoaT power in every Day/Night cycle. This lead to me being convinced Kefit was going to obviously shoot me that night. >_>
Fortunately Kefit thought too hard and didn't shoot, giving me an easy mislynch on Jam, and then all that I had left was needing to turn Zak against Kefit.
I'd like to give commendations to huh what, actually. Think you played pretty well for a newcomer.
Kefit's raging sort of kills off the satisfaction of victory, though. I apologise. >_>
EDIT: But yeah, this is my first time playing scum in over a year. Whoo. :V
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I'd like to give commendations to huh what, actually. Think you played pretty well for a newcomer.
You don't know my role specifics and N1 action yet, so not really :V I'm still punching myself for that.
But thanks :>
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You are not me. So stop using my signature moves kthnx. And for someone that is supposedly good at playing systematically with logic, FPMH is the last thing you should be claiming.
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EDIT: But yeah, this is my first time playing scum in over a year. Whoo.
This is partially what got me, I think. Rou doesn't have a scum meta anymore.
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Rou's scum meta still works when he doesn't have me on the team to bus.
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I'm not raging that hard really, just wanted to make my points forciful.
I didn't shoot Jam mostly because I couldn't at that point (no points to use my power). I didn't think she was scum, but she did need to get out of the way. I still didn't think she was scum when I voted for her, but everyone was just sitting there waiting for me to vote before doing anything. I'm pretty sure I would have been lynched if I had voted for anyone else.
But actually, had I had a usable vig power I would have used it on Rou night three. I think I even chatted with Alice about this at the time. I was pretty sure at that point that he was the final scum, but I felt that pushing this would get my lynched - not to mention that I was busy almost all of day four anyway.
You are not me. So stop using my signature moves kthnx. And for someone that is supposedly good at playing systematically with logic, FPMH is the last thing you should be claiming.
sry 2 bad
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Well, guess that handles that. Mildly surprised at the result but glad it got to F3. I'll post the role PMs now with the mod notes that explained what they did:
"Finally, I have one more request. Please don't get too close to me."
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Kilgamayan. You are Future Asahina Mikuru, Townie Time Traveller. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilities:
Time Travel: Once during the game, at night, you have the ability to change the past. Choose an event that previously happened in the game, and altar it in some way. Your action will be judged for balance. A rejected action does NOT consume a use of this ability.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"Names are just a sign of acquaintance."
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Kefit. You are Fujiwara, Townie NK Immune Miller Vig. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Sneering Bastard: You appear as guilty to investigations
Time Manipulation: If you are targetted for a kill, the kill fails and you gain a point
TPTD Charges: You start the game with 0 points.
Active Abilities:
Time Manipulation:You may target a player at night. That player will be killed. The kill method is the same as whatever method was prevented by Time Manipulation. This action costs one point.[/b]
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"I'm Haruhi Suzumiya, from East Junior High. First off, I'm not interested in ordinary people. But, if any of you are aliens, time-travelers, or espers, please come see me. That is all!"
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Edible. You are Suzumiya Haruhi, Townie Dreaming God. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Endure: List your active abilities before the game starts. They will automatically be used each day in that order regardless of whether you alive or not.
Active Abilities:
SOS-dan Mystery Hunting: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Where Did The Cat Go?: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Lone Island Syndrome: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Editor in Chief? Straight Ahead!: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Snow Mountain Syndrome: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Closed Space: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
The Day of Sagitarrius: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
SOS-dan Website: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
The Adventures of Asahina Mikuru Episode 00: You don't know what this does, but you can only use it once.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Notes:
SOS-dan Mystery Hunting: Any player that casts a hammer vote is motivated for the night until further notice.
Where Did The Cat Go: Remove all Rule Changes
Lone Island Syndrome: Daytalk for a day
Editor in Chief?: Instead of the normal lynch cycle, there will be 24 hours added to the game day. Players use this time to vote for a king. The king has the remaining time in the day to select a player to die. This only applies to the game day it goes off on.
Snow Mountain: Remove all Rule Changes
Closed Space: Reduce deadlines to 48 hours until further notice
Day of Sagitarrius: Each votecount will also include a count of how many players are living in each faction until further notice.
SOS-dan Website: All players must post a relevant TV Trope every game day upon pain of losing their night action until further notice
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody: Remove all Rule Changes
The Adventures of...:Players may not unvote until further notice.
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"Sometimes I get the feeling that we're all just a bunch of clowns standing on our tiptoes at the edge of a great abyss."
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Bardiche. You are Koizumi Itsuki, Townie Roleblocker. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilities:
Magaare Spectacle: Target a player at night. That player is roleblocked.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"That's Classified Information"
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Nietz. You are Present Mikuru, Townie Neighborizer. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
SOS Club Room: You can talk to your target in a quicktopic that will be mod provided. You will get a new QT for each target.
Active Abilities:
Meeting Note: Target a player during the day. That night you will be able to talk to them with SOS Club Room. This effect only lasts one night per target.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"Because I got a quicker response when I called you by your real name than when I called you
by your nickname. The difference was about 0.2 seconds I suppose."
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Zakeri. You are Sasaki, Townie Doubler. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Endure: Select 10 players before the game starts. You may select a player twice. They will automatically be targetted each day in that order regardless of whether you alive or not.
Active Abilities:
Stable God?: Target player selected by endure will have their action doubled for the night. (Note: This will not double kills or certain special actions)
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"............"
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, huh what. You are Suyoh Kuyo, Townie Modified Doctor. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
Data Gathering: You start the game with 1 point.
Active Abilities:
Phase: Target a player at night. They will be protected from kills. For every kill successfully protected against, you gain a point. This action costs one point to use.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"We believe the existence of the real god is not Suzumiya-san but Sasaki-san here."
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Jam-Kiske. You are Kyoko Tachibana, Townie Disabler. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilities:
Kidnap: Target a player at night. They will lose all active abilities for the next day phase and next night phase. (If you target a player N1, they will lose active abilities for D2 and N2)
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"I slowly forgot which side is the real me. Actually, changing to become a person of different
character is not such a bad thing either."
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Sakana. You are The Student Council President, Townie One-Shot Governor. You have the following abilities:
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilities:
Control Mob: Once per game, if a player would be lynched, you may prevent their lynch. You have 12 hours after their lynch to do this, though you many send in an action early to prevent a lynch.
Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
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"Yare Yare"
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Pesco. You are Kyon, Mafia Goon. You have the following abilities:
Factional Abilities
Buddies!: You are in the Mafia with Roukanken, Nagato Yuki, and MakaiSouvenierBooth, Asakura Ryoko You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/9mevMnSmPRB)
Mafia Kill: You can execute the Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Shot"
Mafia Falseclaim: At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.
Mafia Safeclaim: Kyon should be a safe claim for you since flavor does not reflect alignment. Vanilla is also a safe claim.
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilities:
You have no active abilities
Win Condition (Mafia): You win when the mafia controls more than 50% of the votes
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Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, Roukanken. You are Nagato Yuki, Mafia Jack of All Trades. You have the following abilities:
Factional Abilities
Buddies!: You are in the Mafia with Pesco, Kyon, and MakaiSouvenierBooth, Asakura Ryoko You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/9mevMnSmPRB)
Mafia Kill: You can execute the Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Shot"
Mafia Falseclaim: At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.
Mafia Safeclaim: Yuki should be a safe claim for you since flavor does not reflect alignment. Jack of All Trades is also a safe claim. You should probably, however safeclaim Detect Data as a regular investigation with sanity not guaranteed, and you probably should not claim Destroy data.
Passive Abilities:
Data Restriction: You may only use one active ability per day/night cycle.
Active Abilities:
Contain Data: Once per game, at night, you may roleblock all players
Detect Data: Once per game, at night, you may target a player. You will be told that player's role.
Rewrite Data: Once per game, at night, you may target two players. All actions that target A uses will be redirected to target B.
Destroy Data: Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player loses all passive and active abilities for the next two phases. (If you target a player with this N1, then they will lose all passive and active abilities for D2 and N2)
Enhance Data: Once per game, during the day, you may target a player. That player will gain an augment to their role for the duration of the night phase. (If you target a player D1, they will have their augment for the duration of N1)
Win Condition (Mafia): You win when the mafia controls more than 50% of the votes
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"You see, I really want you to die"
Welcome to Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Mafia, MakaiSouvenierBooth. You are Asakura Ryoko, Mafia One shot Dayvig. You have the following abilities:
Factional Abilities
Buddies!: You are in the Mafia with Pesco, Kyon, and Roukanken, Nagato Yuki You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/9mevMnSmPRB)
Mafia Kill: You can execute the Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Knifed"
Mafia Falseclaim: At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.
Mafia Safeclaim: Asakura should be a safe claim for you since flavor does not reflect alignment. Being a one shot dayvig is also a safe claim. Your kill method is slightly indicative of your rolename, however.
Passive Abilities:
You have no passive abilities
Active Abilities:
So, Please Die?: Once during the game, during the day, you may target a player. That player will die. Your kill method will be Erased. You may not use this ability during lylo.
Win Condition (Mafia): You win when the mafia controls more than 50% of the votes
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Motivate List:
--Kyon: nothing
--Self: nothing
--Asakura: Strongman vig
--Esper Chick: upgrades to demoralize
--Sasaki: Doubles the doubler's action, they get a free choice
--Student Council President: Doesn't consume one shot
--Suyoh: Doesn't consume one shot
--Present Mikuru: Allows day talk for the day after target chosen
--Itsuki: Turns into Jailkeep
--Haruhi: Does nothing
--Future Mikuru: Doesn't consume one shot
--Fujiwara: Untargettable, gains charges for being targetted (outside of motivate)
Hope you enjoyed the game, basically the key was that scumhunting based on roles was supposed to screw you. Apparently doubler was too townie though :S. Rou's fakeclaim at the end was brilliant, I wish I could come up with something like that. Your role could have been very good Kefit, considering there was no cop and you were just a miller for the hell of it ^-^;. But yeah, you were supposed to look like an SK but not actually be one. Kilga's role was broken (but aweseome), too bad scum killed it :(. I like the point mechanic I used, but I suppose things could be worked out with it.
So, yeah, fun to mod, hope you had fun playing, etc.
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Watched the game from the sidelines while it was occuring, and while it was nowhere near as bad as Invasion and thus does not warrant yelling, I just want to make four things clear (even though Kefit's already mentioned them a lot - and could you guys listen to him for a change? He's actually right about a lot of stuff that MoTK Town does wrong a lot of the time.)
First off: "Rou was spotless apart from the chainsaw defence on Sodium".
This is actually a very *Scummy* thing to be. It's very easy for Scum to be spotless, heck, I do it all the time, so does any competent Scum (Kilga did an awesome job at this in a game we played in together on another site recently, for instance), and in this game, so did Roukan. However, there's the issue of the chainsaw defence. At the time it was made, there was no indication that it was bad. After Sodium's lynch, it was. This was a perfect Scumtell: defending a Scum that didn't have to be lynched but ultimately was, with the reasoning for the defence being sketchy at best.
Secondly: "But Kefit was totally bussing Sodium!"
No. Bussing only makes sense if the person you are bussing is either: A) a derpsicle, or B) already under fire from Town OR did something that once Town found out would now make him go under fire. Over here, Kefit wasn't very prominent, but overall thought of as Town, and Sodium was being lauded as Town after his vigging of Sakana. At this time, a Scum is not going to off the one which is *better off in the eye of Town* when neither of them are under suspicion! That is not gambiting, that is just sheer lunacy.
And anyone who stated anything to the effect of "but Kefit's argument was written so well it had to have been staged!" needs to be ashamed of themselves. Now. Then they need to read this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5016.msg266867#msg266867) and actually do what it says that you should do. Being able to make good, coherent, understandable, logical cases is a good thing, not something to hold against people, ffs!
Thirdly: Not everything is WIFOM.
I'm pretty sure this is why Kefit actually started deconstructing the concept near the end of D5. Because a lot of people here seem to miss the point as to what WIFOM is. For those of you who know game theory, WIFOM is a weighted, head-to-head guessing game, between two or more choices, where one of the choices carries an inherent drawback, and this drawback is countered by a different drawback for the other person. As a result, there is no dominant strategy for this guessing game, because any attempt at one will just cause one to go into logical reasoning loops and waste time without ultimately being any closer to making a valid guess than they would by pure random chance.
A lot of the stuff you guys call WIFOM is not WIFOM. Analysing people's actions subjectively is not WIFOM, especially if you can very easily trace a given action to a motive which is unambiguously Scummy (i.e. trying to go after the guy who COUNTERCLAIMED THE SCUM VIG AND GOT HIM LYNCHED), and in fact sometimes needs to be done to tell between bad Town play, weird Town play (due to various reasons), and Scummy play. Quite often in Mafia you simply do not HAVE enough information to be able to do a full first-order logic deduction to determine everyone's roles, heck, if you always did, the game would be fairly boring, as you could just have computers decide the final set of lynches and either Town would virtually always win or Scum would virtually always win (then again, MoTK seems like somewhat of an example of the latter, so who knows, really.). As a result, one is forced at times to make subjective judgements. Sometimes these can be wrong, if they are, this needs to be pointed out. However, they are very much *not* Scummy in and of themselves, and quite often *need* to be done, and thus should not be used as a Scumtell in and of themselves. Argh.
Fourthly: D1 lurking is not a Scumtell.
I do this regardless of alignment. So does Alex. So does K4U. So does Kefit (I presume - I've never really seen you play Scum). There are many reasons why you'd do so, ranging from "busy with real life matters" (my lurking on D1 in GWU that lead to my almost-getting-lynched and then the now-infamous doc fakeclaim was as a result of studying for a final exam that was that same day, for instance), to "just does not want to deal with the shitpile that is D1". As long as the posts they do make on D1 are good, and contain votes with at least some amount of sensible reasoning, this is perfectly fine. If they continue lurking D2 onwards, now is the time to LALU, but D1? D1 is largely irrelevant past about D3 in next-to-any game that I've ever been in, and the majority of the information that is gathered is from voting patterns and wagonalysis, not actual posts/content - this is why, as long as they still vote, they are justified in otherwise lurking on D1, but again, only on D1.
To see how competent Town decides things, here (http://molniya.ath.cx/MoTKMafia/WTC) is still my favourite game as Town. Start reading at Page12.html and keep reading until the game is over. You will note how various things are analysed, and stuff that looks bad but is not Scummy in and of itsself is ignored, whereas stuff that is Scummy but doesn't seem all that important at first sight is eventually used to locate the relevant Scum and lynch them. This is what *should* be done. Unfortunately, as long as Town here persists in being lazy, we're stuck with games like this, where the principal reason for Town's loss was simply their own stupidity.
And that doesn't make Town a fun alignment to play for anyone who *is* even halfway competent, at all.
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Oh right: Mod Room (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/NrEp9wLg3Yj2U)
Dead Room (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/DGb4DVenwk5)
Scum can link their QT if I didn't already accidentally do it.
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Here's the scumtopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/9mevMnSmPRB), if anyone cares.
And yeah, right now I feel pretty miserable following everyone pointing out that I should have died ages ago and only won because Town didn't have a brain cell between them. And yes, I'll be the first to admit I was pretty bad in this game. Problem is I whine about this stuff and then I don't care enough to actually do anything, so yeah. >_>
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Yes, I intentionally gave it to Kilga. I wasn't planning to, but it first rolled to huh what, IIRC. There was no way in hell I was giving that role to a newb (No offense to you in post game when you read this in postgame). So, I did fix the role a little for balance reasons.
:3c
It really is a shame the time traveler died so early, though.
I should retract my statement about huh what missing his doc shot. Getting only one sure shot is tough. And if one thinks they'll have success on N1, so be it. Would like to see why he chose Roukan (who is Scum) during postgame though.
I'm pretty sure there's a trope about having a really good item or something that you never use because you're saving it for when you needed it, and I happen to fall for that a lot so I thought I was saving myself the trouble. I realized it was a bad decision after sending the PM but it was too late, so meh.
Why I voted Rou: I was planning to protect the king on the grounds that somebody (Pesco?) brought up that the king might get special abilities or something.
It was a really terrible action, but I probably would have wasted it on Kefit N3 if I hadn't used it, so I don't think it affected the outcome of the game very much.
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Here's the scumtopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/9mevMnSmPRB), if anyone cares.
And yeah, right now I feel pretty miserable following everyone pointing out that I should have died ages ago and only won because Town didn't have a brain cell between them. And yes, I'll be the first to admit I was pretty bad in this game. Problem is I whine about this stuff and then I don't care enough to actually do anything, so yeah. >_>
Don't feel bad. I think you played quite well into the end game there and you deserve this victory. You saw a possible way out of a desperate situation and ran straight for it, and it worked. Town gave you too much leeway on your chainsawing of Sodium, and that's all you needed to bury me under Zak.
I'm mostly just frustrated cause I thought I was pretty cool this game and still lost :p
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Honestly, your breadcrumb was genius Kefit.
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Don't feel bad. I think you played quite well into the end game there and you deserve this victory. You saw a possible way out of a desperate situation and ran straight for it, and it worked. Town gave you too much leeway on your chainsawing of Sodium, and that's all you needed to bury me under Zak.
The point is that I should have been held responsible for that lynch and didn't. I made a crappy mistake there.
Whatever, It's a bad idea for me to discuss any of this. It's one of my horrible traits that I whine about being bad at something while not making any effort to practice. :|
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:ohdear:
I should never play another game again.
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:ohdear:
I should never play another game again.
Much sadface
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Just to add on a bit to Alice's comments: It's been mentioned before, but what we're not doing right on MotK mafia is not lynching people for scummy actions. Instead, we're lynching people for bad actions and the distinction between those 2 is the challenge we as players have to figure out. Kilga's scum guesses in the Dead Room are a good example of figuring it out. And no matter how painful it is to read, Invasion Mafia highlights instances of Town doing it right, and Town also doing it horribly wrong.
huh what: Too bad the mod chose to not give it to you. Kilga was never prevented in using the ability. It would have gone off without a hitch, he just chose not to use it on N1.
Zakeri: Not sure what advice to give. Alice covered most of it and I think they're very good points. If we just take some of those to heart, it makes all of us much better players right there.
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Well, if I had the ability I probably would have made stupid choices with it. Probably for the best.
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It's true though.
There's no reason why my realization that Kefit's case on sodium comes from counter claiming should not have ended with a vote for Rou.
Not to mention everything Alice said is all of the following:
True
My fault
Something I should have already known by now.
Rou complains about being bad at the game and making no effort to improve, but I'm really the one here who embodies those things.
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Zakeri: You could read Invasion Mafia to see you're not alone. Affinity and I were downright miserable at the end of that and they were mistakes where we were experienced enough to have avoided them. All we can do is try again and just remember our previous follies.
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Too much sadface in this thread. If you don't like the way you played then just do better next time. As long as you had fun everything should be fine right?
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Too much sadface in this thread. If you don't like the way you played then just do better next time. As long as you had fun everything should be fine right?
Precisely this. Mistakes are not something to be ashamed of, rather something to learn from.
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huh what: Too bad the mod chose to not give it to you. Kilga was never prevented in using the ability. It would have gone off without a hitch, he just chose not to use it on N1.
YOU WERE ONE OF THE ONES THAT SUGGEST I NOT ROLL IT TO A NEW PLAYER! >=[
And yeah, no sadfaces, everyone screws up!
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Oh, right.
Completely my fault and I apologize to UncertainKitten and huh what for the comment I made in #558.
Psst: I would have done it anyway, you just made me feel better about it :P
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I blame myself for Sodium not dying N1, my ego got in the way of proper play and I made an assumption about the rules + my role that was not true.