Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: moozooh on September 23, 2009, 02:32:22 PM
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Hey guys. I was recently thinking about the reason so many Japanese players are criminally good at Touhou games, yet there are only few known Koreans, even less Chinese, and even less Westerners. It might not necessarily be the case, but I'm fairly certain that periodic tournaments (http://www11.atwiki.jp/touhoukouryaku/pages/172.html) the Japanese are holding bi-weekly contribute greatly to the cause. So why can't we do the same?
Pretty much everyone here has the games and the ability to play them. You only need to… yes, play them! By doing so in active competition one could have a much greater motivation to improve, seek new ways to do so, explore new characters, and practice. The goal is filling the empty spaces on the scoreboards and, hopefully, motivating more inexperienced players to improve and overcome their self-imposed limitations. This will also be a great step towards removing the "Touhou fans don't actually play Touhou games" stigma that seems prevalent in arcade shmup-centered communities.
Keep in mind that this kind of tournament has no prizes, and is supposed to be for fun and friendly competition in games we all know and like.
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Test run of the tourney will commence in October, 2009 (that is, in a week, as of writing this).
Format and rules:
First week (October, 1st — October, 7th): Scoring contest. Organizers choose two games and a single character type to play in each unless stated otherwise. All difficulty modes (including Extra) are allowed. Participants are ranked by score. Results go to the respective scoreboards automatically unless requested otherwise.
Second week (October, 8th — October, 14th): resting.
Third week (October, 15th — October, 21st): Special challenge contest. Organizers choose two games, a single character type to play in each, and a handicap. All difficulty modes (including Extra) are allowed unless stated otherwise. Participants are ranked by survival time (score is taken into account as a tie-breaker).
Fourth week (October, 22nd — October, 31st): resting and preparing the next month's tourney.
Registration is not required: anyone is free to join at any given moment within the playing weeks. Old scores/replays are not allowed.
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Submission thread: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=2587
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sound nice to me who tryies to improve and beat one day heartbeam :P
also a good side-option should be certain limitations like no focus,no, bomb, 1Lc
and so on.
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It's cool with me. Perhaps if we make small teams like Shmups forum does for STGT-- and then take the average score of each team to find a winner-- that way it would be a little more balanced than you and Heartbeam dominating the entire thing. :P
Just a thought, feel free to throw rocks/tomatoes/shoes :V
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I'd definitely be willing to take part, it sounds like fun. I also like the sound of ghost333's and Matusri's ideas - ghost's helps to keep things interesting and Matsuri's gives everyone a chance at winning. On top of that, I've been looking for some motivation to learn to play for score rather than survival. Count me in. :)
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I participate in /jp/'s danmaku threads any time I find one; I'd be glad to participate in others.
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Besides, it'll sort of fill the void not being able to play in STGT this year left in me. I just don't have the time to learn any new shmups right now, but I know Touhou shmups very well, so it's easier on me! ;)
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bi-monthly (every two weeks)
Err... sorry for nitpicking, but "bi-monthly" means "every two months". The term you're looking for is "semi-monthly".
But yeah. Interest, anticipation, and all that jazz.
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I guess I'll rather use the term "bi-weekly" then. :D But yeah, thanks.
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I participate in /jp/'s danmaku threads any time I find one; I'd be glad to participate in others.
When was the last time you've seen such a thread? Thinking of sending a PM to the original thread starter and bothering him/her to create more, but not if I've been checking the board at the wrong times.
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I participate in /jp/'s danmaku threads any time I find one; I'd be glad to participate in others.
When was the last time you've seen such a thread? Thinking of sending a PM to the original thread starter and bothering him/her to create more, but not if I've been checking the board at the wrong times.
Unfortunately I haven't seen many recently. I'm not sure whether or not he's just stopped, but I liked participating. I even hosted for a while a few times after others went to bed.
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I like this idea, and have actually been wanting it for a while now. I say, go for it.
My thoughts:
Bi-weekly sounds great to me. Though how would it work? Every two weeks the results are tallied and announced, and then the next tournament/competition is announced right away?
A good possibility for "contest modes" is to limit it to a single game and character, but any difficulty. (Like, MoF Reimu B) We could possibly create classes to put participants in - like "normal" class, "hard" class, "lunatic" class... but unfortunately, we'd need a large enough group of people so that it would be feasible. We could give out prizes for things like "most spell cards captured" or whatnot.
Another idea is to have a bonus goal for each tournament, like a no-bomb run or no-death run or something that the participants can take a shot at while working on what the tournament is actually for. Or something. Just to get those elites to do something interesting.
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I'm in :V
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Sorry, but I don't/can't play for score.
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Sorry, but I don't/can't play for score.
Pfft! It's time to learn! :V
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Sorry, but I don't/can't play for score.
Give it a go.
I'm interested enough.
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I can't play for score because I don't want to. :V I think that ending with as many lives as possible is much more impressive than any score run.
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I can't play for score because I don't want to. :V I think that ending with as many lives as possible is much more impressive than any score run.
Scoring is impressive in a different way, though. It changes the game a bit into something more challenging, and to be honest you could use that considering you murder most of the Lunatic modes as it is. :P Plus you can objectively say how impressive it is, which is nice.
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There's a world of difference in playing Touhou for survival and playing Touhou for score. You should definitely give it a try, it's a blast.
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Well, aside from the obvious score related tournaments, there could be some other challenges. Such as "least lives lost", "least bombs used", "most cards captured", etc(with score being the tie breaker in case of a tie). Perhaps have score tournaments bi-weekly, while have a "other challenge" tournaments monthly/bi-monthly?
Oh, and I'd join. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would join this on a regular basis really.
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I'll play on like Normal or something, sure. ;D
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Yeah, I don't have much to say that hasn't been said, so I'll just repeat that it's an awesome idea. This might actually give me some incentive to learn how to score in PCB, which I've always told myself I should do but never got around to.
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I've never score-run in my life. Not sure I want to. But I'm good for something like this, why not.
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Ooh, PCB's got the most fun scoring system of them all though!
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Lol score running for me would translate into Easy mode T_T. It'll still be fun though ^_^
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Ooh, PCB's got the most fun scoring system of them all though!
:|
edit: oh, yeah, tournaments = good
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Will be happy to join, I guess.
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I'll give it a shot, at least.
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I'd be up for this, but I just want to ask, can there be two different contest per two weeks? Like say the first one focusing on more traditional scoring, and the other being more of a challenge type, like lowest/highest graze or stuff that focuses on one stage. You know, for people who are horrible at normal score runs... Like me.
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I can't say that I'm a big fan of playing for score, but
/jp/'s danmaku threads
are definitely enjoyable due to their interesting twists in how you have to play.
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Ok, seems like people are interested enough. I've come up with a new competition plan taking the popular requests into account.
First week: Score contest. Organizers choose two* games and one character type per game chosen unless stated otherwise. Playing commences from 1st to 7th day of the month. All difficulty modes are allowed. Results go to the respective scoreboards automatically unless requested otherwise.
Second week: resting.
Third week: Special challenge contest. Organizers choose two* games, one character type per game chosen, and a single handicap for both of them. Playing commences from 15th to 21st day of the month. All difficulty modes are allowed unless stated otherwise.
Fourth Week: resting.
* — I decided to go with two games per week because having only one game would make the category rotation painfully slow, plus it should allow some choice in case one of the categories will be too frustrating to commit to.
Possible handicaps: no-missing, no-bombing, no vertical movement, no horizontal movement, no movement at all, no focused movement, low-score attack, pacifist. Winners will be determined by survival time. In case several replays are tied (eg., they all clear the stage/game), score is taken into account as a secondary factor.
Test tourney will commence in October. I will host it, but if anyone wishes to help or discuss things, pm me on the forum. Depending on how things go, some things may be changed, updated. I'll edit the first post with new information.
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no movement at all
I still have that replay of you almost beating PCB Stage 6 Lunatic with that condition. :P
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haha.
Anyway, that sounds good to me. I've never focused on score-runs before, but if it was something like Koumakyou I think I could get into it~
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I participate in /jp/'s danmaku threads any time I find one; I'd be glad to participate in others.
When was the last time you've seen such a thread? Thinking of sending a PM to the original thread starter and bothering him/her to create more, but not if I've been checking the board at the wrong times.
Unfortunately I haven't seen many recently. I'm not sure whether or not he's just stopped, but I liked participating. I even hosted for a while a few times after others went to bed.
/bun/ has one, but its kinda dead now.
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I participate in /jp/'s danmaku threads any time I find one; I'd be glad to participate in others.
When was the last time you've seen such a thread? Thinking of sending a PM to the original thread starter and bothering him/her to create more, but not if I've been checking the board at the wrong times.
Unfortunately I haven't seen many recently. I'm not sure whether or not he's just stopped, but I liked participating. I even hosted for a while a few times after others went to bed.
/bun/ has one, but its kinda dead now.
/bun/ died because there weren't enough terrible people going there.
You know this to be true.
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Right, I think we'll need our own separate scoreboard for this. We can keep a scoreboard for each week, and then maybe a running scoreboard on top of that or something? dunno
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no movement at all
I still have that replay of you almost beating PCB Stage 6 Lunatic with that condition. :P
the most u can reach is the resurection (the last spell)
but the red shots will evebtully kill you :P
i have tried too :P
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GIL did it.
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any scores you make in the first week of this should be able to fit into the already existing threads fine enough
and then for the third week heartbeam said he'd do similar topics to mine for special challenges
maybe we need to split them somehow
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The pilot tourney will commence on October, 1st at 0:00 GMT (reference clock here (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/)). I am now preparing a thread with scoreboards and instructions. No registration, everyone is free to join. Get ready!
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I guess I'll rather use the term "bi-weekly" then. :D But yeah, thanks.
"fortnightly". *punched for nitpicking*
i'll give eosd a shot tomorrow :D
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This week is Laser Week!
Anyway...
Going to touch up that EoSD Easy run. Tempted to do EoSD Normal. Haven't 1cc EoSD Hard yet with any shot type, so I might consider it as well. Not bothering with Lunatic. Not too interested in UFO Easy / Normal for some reason. Very tempted to touch UFO Hard / Lunatic.
I encourage everybody to submit at least one replay, regardless of your skill level / scoring capability. EoSD Easy is somewhat different though, since it only has 5 stages and no "Final Clear".
Oh and as a little bit of "forced" encouragement, I'll clear EoSD Extra for the first time ever if 'nut joins in.
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Does EoSD have the hitbox patch allowed or not?
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It's not. Not that I can call you out on it even if you use it, of course…
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Got 130m on EoSD Normal, unfortunately I have the patch installed....how to uninstall it? :V
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oh man i can't wait to try this out. i've never finished a game with marisa in my life... maybe eosd and ufo easy will be the first ones?
im also interested in trying normal... =P although i don't think i'll do very well =(
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It's not. Not that I can call you out on it even if you use it, of course?
Add it to the rules :V
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lol eosd:
Cant save replay becuase refresh rate is more than 60!!! lol
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Surprise Extra run after failing UFO Normal! Totally makes up for the lacking performance today. I'll enjoy my five minutes of #1 position until .ASP returns and usurps the top score.
EoSD - Extra
Heartbeam - 403,221,870 - C - 0.104% - (replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5137))
And there I was, naively hoping I might nab that EoSD Extra #1 spot at some point. ;_; I don't think I can reach 400m... still, far too early to give up yet.
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lol, I have the last place in almost everything :V
Still, it made me take another look at UFO MarisA and found out that the bright lasers aren't that distracting....she is actually quite good.
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Yeah, she's pretty much the second best character, though I guess she isn't as Easy to handle as Sanae-A (or Reimu-B I guess).
This week is actually the week of straight laser Marisa in games where she isn't completely horrible (SA doesn't count because of spread).
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I guess that it is since I don't have to use the hitbox that much now.
Still, bright spells like Radiant Treasure are a dick to capture with all the flashy stuff.
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Well, I just realized how short this timeframe actually is. I don't think there's not enough time for me to master UFO supergrazing to use on Hard / Lunatic.
Not to mention I keep making silly mistakes on EoSD Easy. I should be able to break at least 120mil given the timeframe though.
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Geez. Why is Easy Mode so hard to do score runs on :V
Got all the way up to Byakuren with 160mil, but kept dying. Some of her cards are *still* difficult. i.e. I can't dodge upside-down, the fencing-in card is still difficult, and fuck those damn circle lasers.
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Nightmare in Heiankyou was IMPOSSIBLE with MarisaA, and then I was like "oh wait, maybe I should just stop holding down the shot button."
Also, the blue UFO spellcard has somehow gone from "loleasy" to "OH GOD WHY IS THIS HAPPENING TO ME" in the past 2 days. The complete opposite has happened with Rainbow UFOs.
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Geez. Why is Easy Mode so hard to do score runs on :V
Because you're more willing to take (more) risks on lower difficulties for all the (potential) Points.
With that said, I restart more on UFO Normal than I do for UFO Hard or even UFO Lunatic. Guess I should also plan out actual routes for S4 and S5 instead of relying on "oh look a UFO" *grab*, *death*, repeat. Well, probably more on S4 since I've basically memorized S5's from my 500+ attempts at the stage itself. I can adapt 1-2 changes to my current route for it...
Master Spark'ing for UFO chaining is really, really rewarding. As in, the moment you grab the correct UFO during a bomb is just revitalizing.
EoSD scoring is picky; I never thought grazing could add up to so much. Ever since that incident into colliding into Meiling while grazing the First Boss SC, I've ended up being too cautious about moving "too close" and only get ~300-400 at best. Which has evidently had some impact on my current score...
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So how long does it take before you have complete control over what your hand is doing? >_>
I *always* die twice before getting to Flandre. My record on Royal Flare is 1/78, but I don't want to bomb it, because I'll need to bomb Philosopher's Stone. And of course, stupid deaths all the time on Silent Selena.
Which reminds me, death-bombing is fucking hard in this game <<;
Good news is, my completion high score was only 80mil(oh god if only i could complete it a second time), and I have hit 130mil without even beating that bitch. If only I was better at her spell cards. It's just so hard to practice. D:
/vent
EDIT -- Right, on topic, my left hand obviously forgot which was shoot and which was focus on China. Lol 3 deaths on iiji moodo
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Grrr, I can't see the bullets because Marisa's familiars or whatever they are are blocking the view. Maybe I should stop shooting and time out the last spell, probably easier to do it that way...
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3574/difficulttosee.jpg)
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I can't get over that either. Byakuren's third noncard is so mean, too. I hardly see any difference between Normal and Hard, and Lunatic doesn't change much even with the additional wave.
The EoSD Easy score isn't budging, and the biggest problem lies with stage five which is a 10M+ difference compared to MATSU's stage performance. I'll admit, I haven't been working on the grazing that comes before midboss Sakuya, just trying to time the bombs that come after her.
Searching through the blog it appears that nyanko is aware of ycw's UFO route or did the math for him/herself?
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I dont think he has seen ycw's replays. as far as I know he discover it himself.
I wonder why ycw didnt upload his replays to royalflare.
looks like that moozooh made a post there, so let see what happens. Maybe 1,75 billion coming soon?
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More inexperienced players should participate so I feel better about myself. :V
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More inexperienced players should participate so I feel better about myself. :V
I'm gonna do EoSD, I swear, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. >_>
Farthest I've gotten in UFO in one credit was stage 4 so I don't think I'm going to be able to pull off anything remotely worth posting for that though.
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(http://i80.servimg.com/u/f80/12/80/32/92/th/grazin10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=286&u=12803292)
Learning it bit by bit for the future. I still can't bring my confidence high enough to circle around Nazrin's First Boss SC and supergraze the "green" lasers.
EDIT: And made it to 1.8k Graze by doing additional grazing on Nazrin's midboss SC. I'm thinking if I had the control, I could probably push for 2.6-7k Graze easily by the end of S1 (through more grazing on Nazrin's First Boss SC. Or I could compromise one of the grazing spots and still get about 2.2-3k Graze :V
I don't think I can submit a 1 billion UFO Hard run in what, 11-12 hours (sleeping time; early morning lecture) Guess it's worth a shot though. Mind you, I still haven't practiced Ichirin supergrazing enough, so :V
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Well, here goes...
...and messed up on Stage 3 by dying twice. Typical.
Yep, no time for a proper run.
...no time for a half-assed run either.
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I checked the board a few times to make sure everything is updated and correct, but please recheck if you can. Although I know the amount of score submissions wasn't very big, I expected even less than that. Good job everybody!
Look forward to the second week! I've come up with very interesting challenges that will make you groan in pain, but will ultimately make your life easier later on. ;)
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Err... my UFO Hard score links to your replay. I didn't have a replay for that one.
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Look forward to the second week! I've come up with very interesting challenges that will make you groan in pain, but will ultimately make your life easier later on. ;)
:V
I need a breather to let my right index finger recover. Playing while it was bruising wasn't a good idea.
Forgot this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=2587.msg118283#msg118283) submission of mine.
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Heh, I love that I placed 6/10 on Normal while not even making it as far as three entries underneath.
Anyway, this was damn fun! I wonder what sadism you're throwing at us for the special challenges... 8D
*Crosses fingers for Pacifist No Bomb No Focus Reimu C SA*
Also if we're gonna do this a lot we may want a separate subforum. But we don't need one for a while yet...
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All corrected now, thanks for reporting.
Anyway, this was damn fun! I wonder what sadism you're throwing at us for the special challenges... 8D
*Crosses fingers for Pacifist No Bomb No Focus Reimu C SA*
Haha, actually I considered that but decided to not do it in the first such tourney ever.
Also if we're gonna do this a lot we may want a separate subforum. But we don't need one for a while yet...
Actually I thought of just making the normal scoreboards (as well as this thread) into stickies so that they're always on top.
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That was quite a lot of fun, despite that I ended up only participating in EoSD Extra. :P The challenges sound much more along the lines of what I usually attempt, though, so I might perform better in those. I can't wait to see what they'll be.
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Not too good scores here, but still made me realize something:
1) MarisaA in UFO is actually good
2) Got a bit better with EoSD Marisa. I was a 100% Reimu user before because Marisa was too fast.
3) I don't need the hitbox patch at all anymore :V
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2) Got a bit better with EoSD Marisa. I was a 100% Reimu user before because Marisa was too fast.
3) I don't need the hitbox patch at all anymore :V
These two apply to me as well :V
I had never finished a game with Marisa before doing this EoSD Normal run... It made me happy :V
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i think i did pretty good despite the fact i never do highscore runs and suck with marisa :P im gonna keep playing this week to better my performance
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damn too much work this 2 weeks i hope i will have more free time at the upcoming.
anyway i liked it and finally gave a shot at ufo
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This should be resuming... 48 hours or so from now? I think?
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Add a week.
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Third week (October, 15th ? October, 21st):
Okay, 72 hours. Or did something get changed while I wasn't looking? XD
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I'm blind and sleepy :V
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By my reckoning, it's been 10/15 GMT for a couple hours now. I can has part 2?
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Indeed, I can't wait for a special challenge ;3
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Hurray for impending exams, a full week for the next week orz
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It's already the 15th!?
Mother of... crap, I JUST started working hardcore on a mini-VN for Halloween. I...
...will MAKE IT ALL HAPPEN.
...Once Moozoh tells us how we screw ourselves over
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Sorry, got caught up in work. I'll announce the challenges shortly, and the week will go from 12:00 to 12:00 instead of the previous 0:00–0:00.
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Ok, done. You may start cursing. :D
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Ok, done. You may start cursing. :D
2) Touhou 11: Subterranean Animism ? Marisa-C (yes!). Goal: maximum graze value.
What kind of evil monster are you.
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how do you get maximum cherrymax value??
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CHALLENGES INVOLVING GRAZING
;_;
YOU EVIL HEARTLESS PERSON
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I have 1cc'd Hard and I still have no idea what the hell is CherryMax :V
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how do you get maximum cherrymax value??
Wording sounds a bit off. Just increase it by grazing bullets while your supernatural border is active. Increases by 30 per bullet grazed unfocused, 80 unfocused, and 10,000 for letting the border time out naturally. But of course, let the wiki (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Cherry_Blossom:_Gameplay#Cherry_System) do the work!
Mixed thoughts about the SA challenge. There's the matter of timing suicides to sit on Parsee and get ahead of players who may go through the 'regular' way, but that makes it all the less likely to complete. Not the goal of course, but it feels iffy.
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10,000 for letting the border time out naturally.
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I did not know this.
:V
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SA Pure Grazespam?
Cool story bro 8D I'm down with it
AND HOLY CRAP YOU PICKED MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER FOR PCB TOO 8D
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Ok, now that I have a bit more time I'll explain my reasoning.
Increasing CherryMax value is the main prerequisite for scoring high in PCB, so it is a useful skill to do better at the game. It does involve grazing, not getting hit during supernatural borders, strategic bombing for bullet canceling, and dying to replenish bomb stock and abuse max power bullet cancel. Which are all things most players normally don't opt to do. And here is their chance to try it and see what they can get out of it. Sakuya-B is arguably the perfect choice for it because she's pretty much tailored for this particular challenge, while her normal cherry+ gain possibilities are inferior to Reimu-B and Marisa-A (so she has to use bombs more often).
Now for Subterranean Animism. I know I could pick Reimu-A for this challenge, but I purposefully didn't do so for one reason: it's too easy to graze while invulnerable. With Marisa-C, however, you don't really get the luxury of being invulnerable, so you have to graze things the hard way and learn the best spots to do so (of which Parsee is hardly the most profitable due to lack of lives). Which, of course, will make it easier with every other character afterwards.
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question.. do you or someone else have a sample video demonstrating optimal routes for both games (especially PCB, with said strategic bombing. I'm a bit afraid of bombing/dying, since it's said to make you lose cherry points.. haven't seen/read how much of them are lost, btw..), so that I don't have to try to come up with what would more likely be a suboptimal one for myself? (not that I can accurately reproduce their "flight plan", but I can at least filter out the most difficult -- and likely, the most rewarding -- parts :p)
until then, I'll play with these games a bit :p
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Most of these (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/High_scores#Perfect_Cherry_Blossom_world_records_.28.E6.9D.B1.E6.96.B9.E5.A6.96.E3.80.85.E5.A4.A2.E3.81.AE.E3.83.8F.E3.82.A4.E3.82.B9.E3.82.B3.E3.82.A2.29) should suffice, although I'd probably take this one (http://score.royalflare.net/th07/replay7/th7_ud0720.rpy) for Easy mode.
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Bah, and I did a SA Lunatic 1cc as well with MarisaC. Guess I'll have to do it again...
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To be honest I expected something other than a half-assed score challenge where you don't have to score, but still must go through the ridiculous scorerunning crap. :V
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I thought stuff like pacifist SA Reimu-C would be too much for the pilot tourney. :D
Anyway, this isn't really a score challenge because you don't have to actively score. You don't have to survive to beat the games either, if you find good tradeoff spots for required points. For instance, burning all remaining lives on Utsuho's 1st and 3rd regulars does seem viable in this competition as opposed to conserving them to beat the game.
I promise that the next challenge week won't have anything to do with grazing.
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Wow, I had no idea there were so many grazing opportunities just in S1 alone. Just pulled off 1k+ in practice mode. (Now to work on doing it without dying 5 times. :V)
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donut should join :V
That SA grazefest is actually pretty fun. I'm going to work on that alone I think.
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Wording sounds a bit off. Just increase it by grazing bullets while your supernatural border is active. Increases by 30 per bullet grazed unfocused, 80 unfocused, and 10,000 for letting the border time out naturally. But of course, let the wiki (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Cherry_Blossom:_Gameplay#Cherry_System) do the work!
thanks!! sorry my english sucks :(
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fgsfds
if there is one thing I'm worse at than grazing, it's supergrazing.
And if there is anything I'm worse at than supergrazing, it's UNFOCUSED supergrazing.
Not to mention that I'm much more of a Reimu user in PCB, so all of my PCB Phantasm deaths were "how the fuck did that hit me" or "what the hell hit me anyways, I swear there wasn't anything"
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thanks!! sorry my english sucks :(
No, sorry. It was directed at the challenge requirement. It was sort of implied (not your post, that came second) there would be a cap to reach with the CherryMax and I thought 'highest' would be better suited, but after thinking on it a little it sounds fine. I merely jumped on the first impression with that comment.
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By the way, there's something curious that happened around the 34 second mark for Utsuho's opener if anyone would like to explain. Is it an exact spot to the very pixel?
That looks like an exact spot to me. I would have no idea to how to get onto that spot every time though.
I reckon going beyond 30k Graze is possible for SA Easy. Though, just barely past it. Screw that, you can probably go 33k Graze with enough precision. That's assuming low consistency for entering Utsuho's blindspot in the opener.
However, once I find some sort of marker to get into that spot, then I could perhaps allow a greater room for error elsewhere...
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what the hell my cherry on lunatic on stage 6 is about 500.000+ only...
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Argh I can't even do this and I have NO EXCUSE D: running into Parsee's crap is just... argh. Running into Parsee herself is even more argh
Also all of Baity's replays desync after Utsuho, guaranteed (Regardless of stage started on and the usual suspects) so... I don't know even in theory what I'm gonna do vs Utsuho to get that last 10k+ Graze potential T.T;
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Just to be sure, if you were to start the replay on stage five and speed it until the end of that stage but leave the entirety of stage six running at normal speed...does it still happen?
Here's a practice run (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5468) showing the rough outline in case you can't get the others to work. No need to explain the grazing hotspots, but use of bombs and lives are another matter. Varying on how many resources you have left at this point and I think it's worth it to spend some on Orin's ghost wheels. Most suicides should go to her opener because it yields less graze the 'regular' way compared to the third noncard. Then you have death timing which, based on this run, should be much earlier to benefit more from sitting in the middle. If you can safespot it that's a plus, but expect the worst.
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Thanks a lot; I'll try my damndest to get out a good run at work tonight. 8D
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Stage 6 Demonstration / Test (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5490) for SA (Easy).
This only shows the tactics to be used in a future run. Very unlikely that I'll be able to pull that off though. Additionally, most of the non-spells ended too early from bomb / death damage. Potential Graze count for Stage 6 should be easily 14k+, and with enough precision (something that I lack: see Me and super-grazing Ichirin's opener), I reckon 20k+ is possible.
Not going to tell you the safespots by the way :V
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Thank you both. Managed to get a run that at least went to Utsuho and 10k+, and I've got a VN I need to be writing so I can't spend forever retrying @_@ I'm satisfied with myself for now.
Anyway though, PCB. I have not played it in months and my experimental runs which know shit-all about how to optimize CherryMax in terms of route... I'm terrible 8D (Aside from knowing "Get SNB faster by going unfocused, graze like a crazy mofo during it to boost value, don't get hit!")
With that said, gonna sit down and release a couple as laughably amateur runs 8D 'Cause someone has to place on the bottom~
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Screwed up a run by shooting during "Hell's Artificial Sun". Lost waaaay too much graze because of it. Couldn't even safespot the opener right. Messed up Stage 4 lasers 4 times. Total Graze amounted to a measly 29,900. I don't even know how to graze the GOAST WHEELS properly; perhaps I should look into that first.
EDIT: Alright, now I know. No wonder why I was only getting 100 a go.
EDIT 2: And I should probably practice grazing certain non-spells that I was trying to graze before (and failing at)
By the way, circle grazing is fun.
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Completely lost track of the days left in this challenge. What is there to say? The low turnout I would guess to be from being too scoring-centric with less-than-favored shot types. It may have been the primary target for the first tourney but you can survive well enough in the game and sweep half the board. This one is much more nitpicky and such.
I do like circle grazing as another way to 'chase' bullets without endangering yourself much, but when you're trying to make away with something as large as Parsee's rings it's something that can't be picked up immediately like Yuyuko's penultimate spell or Lunasa's second noncard. I remember watching one of HS参謀's runs with Reimu where he did something of the sort with Alice's last noncard. He had to stand so far away just to not get caught by the expanding attack and didn't cover more than 15% of the surface.
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sorry for not being much participative.. (and perhaps for what I'll say now :p)
When I started playing for both challenges, I had difficulties in spotting potential graze sources (for SA) and CherryPointMax improvements, there were materials (replays) but the games seemed to have way more keypoints (and some/most of them felt unobvious to me) than I'm normally able to recognize. So all I did was improvise/experiment for the most part, and try to take advantage of certain patterns that I were expecting beforehand (but still not knowing much what to do about them). Here I'm more like, complaining about not having a strategy guide to read (some games with simpler scoring mechanics such as Varth and Thunder Dragon 2 may not require more than one decent gameplay video -- or an input file from a STGT teammate, in the case of Varth :p), some days ago I was complaining more about grazing :p (and again, these games prove to be more enjoyable -- like most shmups I've played -- when you do get through the first stages, since the latter stages have better potential for cherry/graze and I was directing too much effort into executing the first stages well. I was feeling that, since the graze count on the first stage was disappointing, I should risk myself more, and didn't notice that the game didn't reward me well enough for the risk taken in stage 1, which was/is the main cause of my restarts)
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Completely lost track of the days left in this challenge. What is there to say? The low turnout I would guess to be from being too scoring-centric with less-than-favored shot types. It may have been the primary target for the first tourney but you can survive well enough in the game and sweep half the board.
I have a feeling the natural score-based matches will have a larger turnout XD
Oh well, I loved it anyway. It's a good excuse to look into and learn Touhou tricks and showoff techniques, which are always fun 8D
Anyway, I'm all for two-per-month in the current format. It may be better to offer more varied options for week two though - one based on survival or limited resources or something, and the other based on maximizing a potential of some sort. Erm, if that makes any sense XD
Also, hahaha, did I just win a category by default? 8D
Also? I'd love to see some Single-Stage special challenges for Week 2, as opposed to Full Game. Having to work entirely on one stage changes some tactics depending on game, as you can't benefit from Barrier/UFO carryover, for instance - but it's not as time consuming as a full-game challenge to learn and master from scratch.
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Also? I'd love to see some Single-Stage special challenges for Week 2, as opposed to Full Game.
This. This this this this this.
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This. This this this this this.
agree
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agree
that.
I didn't do anything this time since I hate grazing. :V
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btw i have already some plans in my mind for next week
i wonder if i should host this time :P
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Whoops. Forgot about this in my week of VoWG Lunatic timeouting. =V
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The one I wanted to join, and my internet decides to die right before it started. It's kinda funny in a sad way.
Also going to agree with there being some single stage challenges. Maybe during week 2 having one full game and one single stage.
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I think the scores in this Tournament should go to the High Scores forum!
That forum is so abandoned, only the same people seem to post there.
Would be great to have a lot of activity...
I keep posting my scores there, no matter how bad they are, everyone should do the same, if they could =)
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Okay, I finally got around to updating the rest of the submissions. Let's see what issues/criticisms we have.
1. Special challenges are too scoring-centric.
Well, yes, as it was largely my original intention. I now see that more variety is needed, so that will be accounted for in future tourneys. I like Garlyle's idea of one restriction-based and one maximization-based challenges per week.
2. Special challenges are too long (i.e., full-game).
Quite probably it is better to restrict [some of] them to a single stage. So far I like the idea of doing one full-game and one single-stage challenges in a week, but that seems rather imbalanced. I need more opinions on this.
ghost333:
You can PM me your ideas, and it might be that they end up in the tourney.
I don't know when we're ready to host the next tourney. Shall it be November, 1st, again? Is everyone ok with that? Also, I would like to request some updating help from lgb because I'm not very quick when it comes to mass submission processing (laziness, etc.).
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Okay, I finally got around to updating the rest of the submissions. Let's see what issues/criticisms we have.
1. Special challenges are too scoring-centric.
Well, yes, as it was largely my original intention. I now see that more variety is needed, so that will be accounted for in future tourneys. I like Garlyle's idea of one restriction-based and one maximization-based challenges per week.
2. Special challenges are too long (i.e., full-game).
Quite probably it is better to restrict [some of] them to a single stage. So far I like the idea of doing one full-game and one single-stage challenges in a week, but that seems rather imbalanced. I need more opinions on this.
ghost333:
You can PM me your ideas, and it might be that they end up in the tourney.
I don't know when we're ready to host the next tourney. Shall it be November, 1st, again? Is everyone ok with that? Also, I would like to request some updating help from lgb because I'm not very quick when it comes to mass submission processing (laziness, etc.).
I'm all for starting on the 1st 8D And I can probably try to keep an up-to-date-ish score list too. You'd just have to double-check everything later @_@ Anyway though, I still am all for one full-game special challenge and one single-stage - the main thing is that challenges like these have to be learned from scratch, mostly, or at least relearned to be at their most effective.
I think the scores in this Tournament should go to the High Scores forum!
Also, I totally agree with this.
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So, uh, it's the 1st.
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So, uh, it's the 1st.
It's just 3 AM here :V
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It's just 3 AM here :V
Still the 1st according to GMT XD
Just anxious to get started, that's all XD
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Well? :V
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He must be busy today =X
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...I'm tempted to ask if someone wants to declare it started anyway (Or wants me to) @_@
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Hell, I'll do it if no one else wants to and moozooh doesn't show in a reasonable amount of time (as in like sometime today).
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Or we can have 2 tournaments :V
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Or we can have 2 tournaments :V
Are you nuts!?
I...
...Am totally up for that 8D
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Yeah, I was busy (and, uhh, almost hospitalized if that makes any sense), so we'll have to reschedule a bit. If no-one starts anything by 7th @ 00:00 GMT, I guess I'll make a new thread.
Do you want the second week to start immediately after the first to fix the time shift that takes place?
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Yeah, I was busy (and, uhh, almost hospitalized if that makes any sense), so we'll have to reschedule a bit. If no-one starts anything by 7th @ 00:00 GMT, I guess I'll make a new thread.
Do you want the second week to start immediately after the first to fix the time shift that takes place?
I'm down with that :3
And, maybe delay week 2 by a couple days to give at least a bit of a break
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1 week delay, can't play touhou now :V
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I'm up for it starting over the weekend; I'll actually be able to play a lot XD
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Start the next one as soon as you like!
I agree with Garlyle, 2-3 days break between tournaments would be quite welcome.
Thanks for organising this, btw - it's been fun so far~
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Now waiting on Moozooh~
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BUMP
So, judging by moozooh's profile, he hasn't been on for a while. Guess this'll be defunct until he gets back.
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someone else could host it
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Yeah okay so
I gotta pack stuff today, move in tomorrow, etc ;
but once I get that done, if there hasn't been a tourney thread made, I'll do it.
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I decided to host it.
I will try my best.
i also decided to make the challenges harder and more unigue...
after all this tour is to improve ourselfs.
i hope people not to get discouraged and try their best.
and keep in mind that this is the 2nd test run.
topic made here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3892.0)
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i HATE IN i really do.
i am not going to try IN lunatic again.
playing with one life and dieing at stupid misakes....
(http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6046)
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I probably experienced one of the worst moments in Touhou yet. I use a bomb. What I didn't realize was that doing that caused certain fairies to not drop Bomb Items, meaning I didn't lose 1 bomb from bombing intentionally, but 3.
I also collided into harmful familiars a few times (unfocused to make a quick dash to misdirect a pattern for instance), making me lose 2 lives overall :|
And last of all, I ended up having "stiff fingers" partway through Stage 6, meaning that I essentially didn't move until it was too late.
Cleared IN Hard 3/0; not submitting for obvious reasons, and magically failed all the Last Spells except for Keine's and Reisen's (which I did unfocused).
...I'm probably better of with the MoF challenge as I'm a lot more proficient with the scoring mechanics of the game. I don't care if it's ReimuC; scoring is a lot easier than survival for me.
EDIT: On the plus side, I did at least pull off one perfect deathbomb :V
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I probably experienced one of the worst moments in Touhou yet. I use a bomb. What I didn't realize was that doing that caused certain fairies to not drop Bomb Items, meaning I didn't lose 1 bomb from bombing intentionally, but 3.
i am guessing that the fairys didnt die.....
since all the places that fairys drop 2 bombs ,
had in the past expirienced my nuke bomb.
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Oh, I'm quite sure the fairies did die, considering that I did get the Point Items off them. Oh well, what happens, happens for good reason.
Rough run of MoF's.
(http://i80.servimg.com/u/f80/12/80/32/92/th/untitl66.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=348&u=12803292)
I have a bad habit of shotgunning things I shouldn't be doing at my "level".
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Will FinalA/FinalB matter at all for IN?
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hmm can i use the invisible hitbox patch for MoF?? im more comfortable playing without seeing a dot on my character...
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ofc there is no problem :P
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Could anyone upload a MoF score.dat with ReimuC? :V
I don't really feel like screwing around with her or cheat engine.
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@Banana : Just watch someone's replay of stage 5. It should open up the stage for practice.
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(http://i80.servimg.com/u/f80/12/80/32/92/th/untitl67.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=350&u=12803292)
Easy is pretty fun. I reckon I could break 100 million easily considering that I actually missed some large Faith items, unoptimized Boss strategies, etc.
I suddenly feel like a Heartbeam now :V
Donut. Join. NOW. ...please?
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Easy is pretty fun.
I had my hopes of a decent place
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I haven't submitted anything yet :V
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I haven't submitted anything yet :V
Your screencap pretty much destroyed me anyways
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Donut. Join. NOW. ...please?
so my score won't be last
either way, stage challenges are cool. made me capture Secretly Inherited Art of Danmaku for the first time ;_;
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I almost captured it. Though like on Hard I game overed even with the amount of lives you get in practice.
Used your replay to get access to the stage as well.
I can't even get to stage 5 on Lunatic legitimately yet. I did get there using the Marisa bug once.
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I almost captured it. Though like on Hard I game overed even with the amount of lives you get in practice.
Used your replay to get access to the stage as well.
I can't even get to stage 5 on Lunatic legitimately yet. I did get there using the Marisa bug once.
Stage 4 was a huge roadblock even with ReimuB for me......thank god he picked st5 and not 4.
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my picks weren't random.
just like the restrictions.
they are meant to subconsciously train you and make you a better player.
and ofc they are not impossible for the average person.(there is easy ofc)
lol i sound too wise!!
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Miraculously hit 500k Faith for Stage 5 and theAAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3891.msg169737#msg169737)
/me regains composure
Yeah, clipped something and destroyed my run. I was aiming for 130mil+ too.
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Aw Baity, why do you have to ruin my fun of being first so soon? ;_;
Meh, I can be second =3
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Too much luck-dodging though. I have something like a 5-10% to just unfocus twitch to grab all the Faith items and then PoC.
EDIT: It could take me a while to actually even produce said run "flawlessly".
EDIT 2: See my flawed run for an outline. I basically paid no attention after dying once.
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FFFFF Baity you monster
please don't touch easy
ever
again
;_;
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I don't feel like copying someone else for the tourney. =3 Well, I'm not taking it too seriously, so I don't really feel like watching another person's replay.
And yeah, I usually restart a lot even using my really flawed method. Doesn't help I can't consistently capture any of Sanae's cards with ReimuC, minus her last. They all last too long. =V
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Guest Stars really screw me over every single time.
I've got Moses' Miracle 2 times, but after that it was a disaster.
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Was that Easy low score run pacifist or something? I tried beating it pacifist but died right before Sanae giving me more points from the death explosion damage due to enemies killed than you got during your entire stage run. And Sanae has some long timers.
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Perfect Pacifist. I've even made an effort to minimize the number of bullets on the screen between Spell Cards. So the chance of you actually getting a lower score than that is pretty low.
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Perfect Pacifist. I've even made an effort to minimize the number of bullets on the screen between Spell Cards. So the chance of you actually getting a lower score than that is pretty low.
Unless you intentionally die to avoid bullet clear bonuses!
You can probably get < 1000 points and still complete the stage if you time it right.
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Unless you intentionally die to avoid bullet clear bonuses!
You still release a deathwave that still does damage and thus, score for you.
However, I reckon it would warrant a test, brb.
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You still release a deathwave that still does damage and thus, score for you.
However, I reckon it would warrant a test, brb.
The deathwave score is far less than the bullet clearing score, unless you die during the stage portion.
Actually, it seems that < 1000 might be impossible. Under 3000 points might be doable though. I managed to get 6970 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6092) points, which included one unintentional death and horrible timing on the final non-spell death.
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Got under 3000 "easily" (2.9k if you're interested) including "hurr" deaths during Spell Cards / non-spells. Below 1000 I believe is completely impossible.
But it's such a chore. I probably won't bother because the Perfect Pacifist looks impressive enough anyway.
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Just remembered I can unlock stages via replay
After playing a ridiculous normal mode run where I don't think I ever touched the bottom half of the screen XD
EDIT: Due Date Is When?
EDITEDIT: My MoF crashes after a replay. But still counts it as clear and unlocks 8D
EDIIIIIIIIT: Nevermind, my computer lags too hard to play MoF decently on stage 5 so I probably won't even a replay (And that's good compared to IN)
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Oho! Beat your score by around 20 mil. in MoF Banana!
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Oho! Beat your score by around 20 mil. in MoF Banana!
I didn't really even try....and I really suck at scoring.
I'm like the hard mode version of Donut :V
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I wouldn't claim to be a master at scoring either. I just go to the POC whenever i can. That and not dying to the stage helps a lot! And i don't suppose neither you or me will surpass my score because doing that would pretty much require capturing Sanae's other cards other than Moses' Miracle which while it might not be impossible to me would require a great deal of dedication to an incredibly boring stage. Seriously guys! Why'd you have to pick S5 of all? Its soooooooooo boring!!!
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I wouldn't claim to be a master at scoring either. I just go to the POC whenever i can. That and not dying to the stage helps a lot! And i don't suppose neither you or me will surpass my score because doing that would pretty much require capturing Sanae's other cards other than Moses' Miracle which while it might not be impossible to me would require a great deal of dedication to an incredibly boring stage. Seriously guys! Why'd you have to pick S5 of all? Its soooooooooo boring!!!
The stage sucks hard since the fairies always block me off from the PoC and I just couldn't replicate the method to take them out.
Still, got out of this with 2 things:
1) I understand most of her spellcards now.
2) Except for Guest Stars, which is an autobomb.
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i would like to hear opinions about the latest tour.
also i would be happy if sb improved in playing.
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Playing IN at not default life mode made the run not meeting the requirement for the scoreboard. Sorry, kinda lost my interest there >_> Well the extra mode is always at default but probably its because of my laziness.
Figuring the no-bomb MoF route is pretty fun. Have to plan everything until risks were minimal and no lucky dodges are involved, because I was unsure I could perfect Sanae every time. She has her random 1st and 2nd spellcard, and probability getting a wall during her opener is pretty high. Not to mention other clipdeaths.