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Title: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Suikama on October 20, 2016, 01:43:23 PM
shits happening (https://mobile.twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/788900063833493504)
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2016, 01:52:24 PM
Well, hopefully this one won't suck ass.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2016, 02:02:28 PM
So it's what, a portable wii u with detachable controllers?  Hm.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Suikama on October 20, 2016, 02:06:58 PM
I lold at the Splatoon esports part

they should have shown them playing smash instead :derp:
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
"hey nintendo fans remember when we cancelled online support for splatoon?  here's a reminder!"
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Post by: Zengar Zombolt on October 20, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
At least there's support for classic controllers. I dunno if I could handle playing with the both sides separated :v
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2016, 02:16:26 PM
The best feature is the built-in kickstand.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Suwako Moriya on October 20, 2016, 02:18:57 PM
I wonder how many of those games were just footage from old games for the sake of showing recognizable footage and how many were titles in development.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2016, 02:21:02 PM
I wonder how many of those games were just footage from old games for the sake of showing recognizable footage and how many were titles in development.

Skyrim never made it to Wii U, so I assume Skyrim HD is getting a Switch release.  That, if nothing else, is new.

Edit: Also, the battery life for this thing is going to be like two hours tops.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Suwako Moriya on October 20, 2016, 02:24:31 PM
Groovy. Now all Nintendo needs to do is kidnap Sakurai's firstborn and hold the kid hostage and force Sakurai to make 5mash and I'll be rolling in mud.

(This'll probably be a launch day purchase for me regardless, because there's no way it DOESN'T get 5mash and I am a Nintendrone to the core regardless, but still.)
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: N-Forza on October 20, 2016, 02:43:09 PM
The Splatoon footage had the Inklings sporting different hairstyles and pants, so that's probably a sequel as well.

They got my interest. If they can keep the price point at around 40,000 yen, I'll pre-order it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2016, 02:54:19 PM
New... squid... pants? FINE, I guess I have to buy it...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: MetalStudios on October 20, 2016, 03:01:17 PM
Looks to be an improvement from the Wii U, hopefully online play won't be a joke like it always has been with Nintendo.
There definitely seemed to be a frame-rate issue for the footage shown (I noticed a drop with the Breath of the Wild footage) but this is just a reveal so everything isn't final.
They've got my interest though, it looks promising.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 20, 2016, 03:02:27 PM
I'm interested but concerned.

- Will the battery life be substantial enough to be worth carting around?
- How will you keep it safe from the wear and tear of travel? It won't fit in a pocket, but I don't necessarily want to have it knocking against things in a bag either (nor do I really want to have to tote around a bag just to carry my games around).
- Will the visual quality of the games be consistent between TV and the portable screen?
- So we're going back to cartridges! I approve... but how are they gonna fit all of that content into one cart? I mean, we're talking current-gen games like the new Zelda or Skyrim HD and stuff. Will quality suffer because of that?
- If we're doing cartridges again, I think it'd be cool if 3DS cards would also work in it-- just turn the screen sideways for a split-screen interface.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Suwako Moriya on October 20, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
A collection of confirmed third-party partners from what appears to be an official Nintendo Tumblr account. (http://www.japanesenintendo.com/post/152069613684)

EDIT: Duh, their source is the official Nintendo website. Go me! (https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2016/161020.html)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Lishy1 on October 20, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
I hope it has a touch screen. Call me devil's advocate, but I think removing the touch screen would be many steps back. In games that properly utilize a touch screen, such as Majora's Mask 3DS, the touch screen allows the player to easier manage interfaces, or perform more complex actions. For example, in Majora's Mask 3DS, the Touch Screen allowed the ease of new items and more button options. In basically any game with an inventory, the touch screen is a godsend. It also allowed typing on a virtual keyboard to be much easier.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Edible on October 20, 2016, 04:02:45 PM
It is touch screen-less.
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Post by: Helepolis on October 20, 2016, 04:51:39 PM
I hope it has a touch screen. Call me devil's advocate, but I think removing the touch screen would be many steps back. In games that properly utilize a touch screen, such as Majora's Mask 3DS, the touch screen allows the player to easier manage interfaces, or perform more complex actions. For example, in Majora's Mask 3DS, the Touch Screen allowed the ease of new items and more button options. In basically any game with an inventory, the touch screen is a godsend. It also allowed typing on a virtual keyboard to be much easier.
Microsoft thought that touch screen laptops was going to be big hit. Guess what.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Lishy1 on October 20, 2016, 05:36:04 PM
Welp, I wonder if it will be backwards-compatible in any way? I guess this means no Virtual Console for DS games? Will it co-exist alongside Wii-U?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Third Eye Lem on October 20, 2016, 06:48:18 PM
Honestly, I kinda hope they don't nix the DS with this console. The 3DS is a great system, and I'd love to see it get more games, especially more New 3DS-only titles. Still, I'm gonna get this, though the battery life thing kinda irks me a bit. Two hours? Is this a high-end laptop or something?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: commandercool on October 20, 2016, 07:27:20 PM
The more I think about it the more this thing seems like the PSVita. And I really dislike the Vita. Awkward handhelds that aren't really handheld are not appealing to me. If I can't fit it in my pocket, and that's definitely the case here, I don't really see the point.

Although it would have been handy to be able to keep playing Splatoon in the bathroom during crazy Splatefest win streaks. So I guess there's that...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Helepolis on October 20, 2016, 07:28:03 PM
Splatoon has definitely another look. Different hair styles and map environment. Wonder if Mario Maker will appear on the Switch as well.

[FirstWorldProblems] Well, have to sell my Wii U at this rate it seems.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Lishy1 on October 20, 2016, 10:31:17 PM
I think everyone is cautious about the NX/Switch.

For one, it's a new console being released completely out of sync from the other consoles. Typically there is a big reveal at e3, and all 3 major consoles release at the same time. It's been that way since the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox, PS3/Wii/Xbox360, and PS4/WiiU/XboxFail. This might make people feel like the Wii U died a little bit too early, even if it was around for awhile.

Not only that, but it's both a Console and a Handheld. This naturally makes every fan feel a bit awkward because it feels like a replacement for both our 3DS and WiiU, and the 3DS was a pretty beloved handheld. We really don't want the things we've grown so attached to die.

Realistically, I think the 3DS and NX/Switch will co-exist.

Also, I think the NX/Switch will be a critical success to Nintendo since it is the perfect console for social gaming; it always has 2 controllers, it's portable, it's a true tablet. Just like it showed in the trailer, a bunch of guys were playing Sports games at a bar.  Parents will want it because kids no longer have to use the TV, and adults will want it for the more mature library of games, such as *portable* Skyrim. 

My only complaint is I do not see a D-pad on the console. WTF? This is by far the most controversial decision. Not only will it negatively affect classic gaming, but it's sort of a betrayal to everyone who stuck with Nintendo for 20+ years. In each and every console they've made, they've always had a D-pad. I am very worried about this.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Third Eye Lem on October 21, 2016, 01:06:31 AM
Realistically, I think the 3DS and NX/Switch will co-exist.
Same here. The 3DS does dual-screen gameplay better. maybe we'll have New 3DS ports of certain games for the NX, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

My only complaint is I do not see a D-pad on the console. WTF? This is by far the most controversial decision. Not only will it negatively affect classic gaming, but it's sort of a betrayal to everyone who stuck with Nintendo for 20+ years. In each and every console they've made, they've always had a D-pad. I am very worried about this.
That is a bit jarring, yeah, but if you look closely at the footage you can see it was made that way so both side controllers could have a similar SNES-style button layout. I think that's pretty cool. As someone who used the Playstation's d-pad for some time, and used the face buttons for games like Binding of Isaac, I don't think this is a deal-breaker. It'll take some getting used to, yeah, but if you absolutely need a d-pad, that's why the Classic Controller is there.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: commandercool on October 21, 2016, 01:10:15 AM
Keep in mind with that with those swappable controller bits they could easily make special controllers for different kinds of games. And one with a d-pad seems pretty inevitable. I've been wondering if there's a way to do a fighting games setup with that much open space between the stick and that buttons, and I hope there is. I would probably buy that (if any notable fighting games are released for the Switch anyway).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Mеа on October 21, 2016, 01:39:01 AM
As with the wii u, I'm excited but a little worried, since for whatever stupid policies they have, I still want nintendo to do well. Splatoon looked supers hype, excited for that greater customization and, by the looks of it, actual local multiplayer support for tournaments and what not. There doesn't seem to be any kind of weird gimmicks (besides the controller detaching thing), so I hope they were really able to push out the hardware specs on this thing. And unlike the wii u, looks like they learned their lesson and actually have a line of first party launch titles thing time around.
I'm rather glad it doesn't have touch screen support so that it can distinguish itself from the 3ds for one thing, but also from the mobile market and keep itself as a pure gaming console. If slightly blurring the image of the console as a stationary thing.

I wonder what the successor will be called, the Nintendo Switch-erU
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Suikama on October 21, 2016, 02:08:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/g3fahyG.png)

oh god i thought i was finally free from you :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Jq1790 on October 21, 2016, 02:12:28 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/g3fahyG.png)

oh god i thought i was finally free from you :colonveeplusalpha:
He says, with an Isis avatar.

I do recall they have several other franchises and such though so I wonder what they're bringing to the table?  No touch screen means unless they have an orb-board addon bit (I haven't watched the video so I don't know how the previously mentioned add-on parts work) you're safe.
Title: Re: NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Drake on October 21, 2016, 03:54:41 AM
they should have shown them playing smash instead :derp:
implying nintendo will acknowledge competitive smash while sakurai still breathes

- Will the visual quality of the games be consistent between TV and the portable screen?
- So we're going back to cartridges! I approve... but how are they gonna fit all of that content into one cart? I mean, we're talking current-gen games like the new Zelda or Skyrim HD and stuff. Will quality suffer because of that?
The visual quality will pretty much definitely be the same; even the Wii U's screen was full 1080p and not that bad. EDIT: Wow not even close, scratch that.

The reason we switched to CDs in the first place was 1) cost-efficiency and 2) space-efficiency, despite sacrificing read/write times. Disc media was easier to make and cost far less than something like the massive N64 cart, while also growing in capacity faster. Note that N64 carts capped at a whopping 64MB, compared to PS1's 650MB. Cartridges were bigger simply because the component sizes on the chips were so large, which also makes it more expensive. As components could be made smaller over time, we can fit more shit on a chip, increasing speed and/or decreasing size. Meanwhile, current systems barely even use the discs themselves as the main storage, as with both the One and PS4 you go straight to dumping to HDD. This was already a problem back in the PS3/360 days; loading from disc is just too slow for the rest of the hardware. If you aren't loading from disc there's no reason to shove a disc reader in the console, making room and saving that cost.

With current technology carts have significant advantages going for it. This kind of switch is probably part nostalgia, but Nintendo's innovation has quite potentially led them in the right direction here.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Lishy1 on October 21, 2016, 05:20:08 AM
Regarding cartridges, I think this is a shift in technology as a whole, rather than just the NX. SSDs have superior load times, and provide a more stable state not to break. Once they become cheaper to make (and it will happen in our lfietime), they will overtake Disks, and Cartridges will be supreme again.

It does blow my mind that we will have Skyrim Portable on a Cartridge though. I look at Pokemon X&Y with its N64-tier graphics, and I laugh how much of a skip the NX is. It feels like we're moving a bit too fast.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: triangles on October 21, 2016, 01:50:40 PM
We'll see how long it takes me to lose this in the couch or something knowing me.

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Reddyne on October 21, 2016, 06:31:29 PM
My ambivalence knows no bounds! I'm just hoping its tricks turn out for the best since the Wii U has always just felt like a good vehicle for the virtual console.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Phasm on October 21, 2016, 06:40:53 PM
I smell Inovation. I heard that in Japan when Nintendo unveiled the Nintendo Switch their shares immiediately incresed by 1% , this means basically is worth more 1M ( maybe Billion ) than before ( which i bet is a ridiculously giant number  ) :D
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: N-Forza on October 22, 2016, 12:55:46 PM
There was actually a ~5% drop I think.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: RegalStar on October 22, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
If it's meant to replace (rather than co-exist with) 3DS, RIP Etrian Odyssey.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Think Komachi with a Rifle on October 23, 2016, 02:35:12 AM
If it's meant to replace (rather than co-exist with) 3DS, RIP Etrian Odyssey.
Also possibly RIP it as well.
Initial reactions were too big to be viable handheld... Also battery life, if it wants to be a home console it will need to draw quite a lot of power.
So more like the Gamecube or WiiU I guess, portable, not handheld.  Did actually use a GC with attachable screen back in high school. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Barrakketh on October 23, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
Initial reactions were too big to be viable handheld
By that metric I think the 3DS is too big to be a viable handheld.  Unless you're wearing cargo pants or something it doesn't fit in a pocket and stays at home, so the 3DS is just as portable as a Wii U for me.

Personally the portability is a plus for me, if Splat2n is playable on a single screen it'll be great when my nephew and I are squadding together when he's visiting.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Hello Purvis on October 23, 2016, 10:31:11 PM
You must have lousy pockets. I don't have any issue carting around an XL in any of my pockets.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: commandercool on October 24, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
By that metric I think the 3DS is too big to be a viable handheld.  Unless you're wearing cargo pants or something it doesn't fit in a pocket and stays at home, so the 3DS is just as portable as a Wii U for me.

Personally the portability is a plus for me, if Splat2n is playable on a single screen it'll be great when my nephew and I are squadding together when he's visiting.

3DS doesn't really fit in a pants pocket, but it does fit in a jacket pocket pretty cleanly. Whereas this wouldn't. Like at all.

You must have lousy pockets. I don't have any issue carting around an XL in any of my pockets.

For real? I'm trying it out right now and I CAN fit my 3DS in my jeans pocket, but it's a tight and uncomfortable fit and definitely couldn't have a dust cover on it so it would get lint in it. And mine is not an XL.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: Barrakketh on October 24, 2016, 02:36:06 AM
You must have lousy pockets. I don't have any issue carting around an XL in any of my pockets.
Did JNCO come back in style or something, or do you just wear baggy pants? My jeans are just big enough that I could pull them past my hips while still buttoned (I still need to wear a belt because they are a bit loose at the waist) and even my smartphone (Galaxy Note 4) is tight in my pockets while sitting, nevermind something several times thicker.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch / NX Reveal Thread
Post by: triangles on October 24, 2016, 03:04:54 PM
Be like me and bring your 3DS XL when purse shopping to make sure it fits as manatory criteria  :V