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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 26, 2015, 11:30:16 AM

Title: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 26, 2015, 11:30:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/m3ViO4W.jpg)

Puzzle & Dragons is an iOS/android puzzle RPG.  It plays like a cross between Bejeweled and Pok?mon.  It's completely free to play, but has premium features through purchasable "magic stones," the game's premium currency (which can also be obtained frequently as rewards in-game), which allow for increased inventory, pulls from a rare egg machine, and more.  If you're patient enough the game gives you enough stones through special events and rewards that you shouldn't need to buy any.  (It's recommended you don't because most things can be obtained/beaten without spending money and some amount of patience and skill.)

You can control monsters from lowly slimes to even lowlier dragons to One-Winged Angels with Mommy Issues like Sephiroth (above).  They all have different stats and skills, allowing you to customize your team for any number of purposes.

Real talk though, the real reason to get into this game is because everyone else here is playing it and has been playing non-stop for the past 2 years :V , and probably won't stop for a long time thanks to the constant updates to the game and its mechanics, balance changes that never directly nerf anything and are mostly focused on increasing the viability of older monsters, and of course the endless addition of new monsters and collabs that are dished out on a regular basis.

If you're interested, there's a really useful database of monsters and game info here:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/

A tip for new players: At the end of the tutorial the game will give you one free pull on the rare egg machine.  It's best to "scum" this pull and start over (by uninstalling and reinstalling) until you get something that's really rare (a god).  Great starters include any of the Chinese gods, Ares, Bastet, Isis, Verdandi, Lu Bu, Bastet, Odin, Kali, Shiva, Bastet, Sonia, and many others.  Feel free to ask!

If you need more help or just want to discuss the game, we also have a P&D channel on the MotK IRC network in here. Just type your name and go.
For those using IRC clients other than webchat, the channel is #puzzleandlibrarians on irc.ppirc.net.


List of friends + Main Leaders:
Edible: 328,945,274 (Ronia*, Bastet*)
hyorinryu: 357.646.299 (Sakuya*, Perseus*)
Suikama: 348.941.282 (Isis*, Nut*)
triangles: 322.456.235 (LMeta*, Santa Sakuya)
Chaore: 344,844,286 (Verdandi, Shiva*)
Yukarin: 394.177.213 (Awoken Haku*, LKali*)
Jq1790: 396,049,294 (Athena, Awoken Karin*)
Pesco: 328 276 294 (Rodin, Ronia)
Dibble: 314,673,283 (Isis, GOdin)
Matsuri: 358,689,277 (Awoken Sakuya*, Awoken Tsukuyomi)
Fast Fanatic: 359,184,275 (TAMADRAPurin*, Sakuya*)
Sacchi Hikaru: 385,394,297 (Horus*, Vishnu)
rdj: 338,277,280 (AA Lucifer*, Awoken Minerva)
Chirei: 326,404,383 (Leilan*, Alraune*)
commandercool: 312,728,337 (Gabriel*, Awoken Ra*)
Aoshi: 398,822,333 (LMeta*, I&I)
Conqueror: 331,616,320 (DQXQ, I&I)
MoogsParfait: 313,455,268 (Athena, LMeta*)
Dorakyura: 347,957,300 (Nephthys*)
Bio: 336,681,244 (Sakuya, Athena)
En: 351,629,319 (Lu Bu, Haku)
moekou: 329,066,242 (Osiris*, Pandora)
Espadas: 301,335,377 (Ronia, B/G Karin)
Calamity: 331,737,355 (Ronia, Awoken Shiva)
Mea: 380,147,382 (Sakuya, chibi Rose)

(Asterisk next to leaders means "hypermax" - +297, max skill. Glowing leaders have all five latent awakening slots full.)

Topic Archive
Thread I (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14669.0.html)
Thread II (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html)
Thread III (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15370.0.html)
Thread IV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15728.0.html)
Thread V (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16090.0.html)
Thread VI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16209.0.html)
Thread VII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16326.0.html)
Thread VIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16604.0.html)
Thread IX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.0.html)
Thread X (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17002.0.html)
Thread XI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17175.0.html)
Thread XII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17337.0.html)
Thread XIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17483.0.html)
Thread XIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17582.0.html)
Thread XV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17678.0.html)
Thread XVI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17748.0.html)
Thread XVII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17904.0.html)
Thread XVIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=18079.0)
Thread XIX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18188.0.html)
Thread XX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18335.0.html)
Thread XXI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)
Thread XXII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18624.0.html)
Thread XXIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18773.0.html)
Thread XXIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18888.0.html)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 26, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Also there was a pretty huge rebalancing buff announced for JP so that's kinda cool too:

- Awoken Freyja announced, Devil/Attacker (3 rows, 1 TPAs)
- Skill Delay Resist Latent Tama announced, 30k MP
- Metalit and Dub-Metalit guerilla/urgent, skills up Chester and DMeta respectively
- Co-Op mode Alpha coming out for iOS
- "No Dupe" dungeons now exclude leaders (FINALLY)
- Lots of Rebalancing:

- LMeta gets a CD reduction, 6 -> 5
- DMeta gets a major buff: CD reduction 7 -> 5, LS can go up to 4x attack for ANY TYPE, no longer all-or-nothing HP-conditional, final numbers not yet announced
- GGY now unbindable, HP conditional active above 20% instead of 50%, Dragon type added
- RGY gets same buff, Balanced type added
- GZL is now 2.5x above 80% HP and 4x below 80%
- LZL is now 5x with full HP, 2.5x below full
- All Awoken Norse now get 2 turns of damage buff
- Satsuki now changes Jammers to Dark as well, is now Water/Jammer/Poison -> Dark
- Odin Dragon now removes ALL binds instead of 5 turns (good, he's marginally less shitty now)
- Gadius and Typhon both get -1 CD to skills and a 1 turn Haste
- Fairytale Girls now all unbindable, Snow White gets a water row
- Kotodama and Folklore now Machine type
- Pirate Zaerog gets Attacker type
- Samurai Zaerog and Z8 both get Devil type
- Mithril Edge gets Machine type
- Sherospada gets God type
- Hysferzen gets Devil type

The new Enhanced Heal Orb awakening is being given to the following, with stat boosts to replace the awakenings they lose in the process:
All Valkyries except Beach Claire
Awoken Ceres
Attacker Apollo
Healer Persephone
Super Ult Kushinada
Balanced Izanagi
All Awoken Norse
All of the Original Riders
All of the Sticker Girls
All of the Elementals
L/D Ra

Also according to PDX: "- Same sub-attribute added to most evolved gods. Romans, Japanese 1/2, Indian 1/2, Norse, Egyptian 1/2, Greek 2, Chinese, Heroes, Three Kingdom,"

???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 26, 2015, 11:56:12 AM
Oh yeah also, in NA news:

[07:14:19] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> >[Unconfirmed] Descended Carnival urgent dungeon coming Tuesday 10/27
[07:14:22] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> AHAHAHAH FUCK YOU
[07:14:33] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> AFTER I WENT TO ALL THAT TROUBLE TO FARM TENGUS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 26, 2015, 11:56:46 AM
I feel like they overhyped this one. It was really "we're gonna buff like 20 cards and add Heart OE Awakening support into the game."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 26, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
meanwhile I'm still suffering through Zaerog Infinity for skillups

Things like this wouldn't happen if my friend LZL had more than 0 +Atk eggs. (http://imgur.com/8nQxNgN)

(http://imgur.com/xEqb8eS.jpg)
Got a zero-stone, though, using LZL/Amy though?

I guess it's cool but unnecessary for Zaerog Infinity to get Devil typing? What are you going to do, use him as support on a Lu Bu team?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 26, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
Alright, buffs to a bunch of stuff I play. I like it.

More Hallowrem foolishness:

-Izanami

PAD STOOOOOP. THAT'S FOUR NOW. GIMME T&S YOU MONSTERS.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I'm very happy about Descend Carnival. I held off on making a Tengu team and I'm glad. PAD loves eventually easy-moding restricted dungeons (see easy mode no dupes), so I'll get the clear when they change the restriction to 50 cost or less or some shit.t
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 26, 2015, 01:37:34 PM
they've loosened the restrictions for almost every dungeons from all atts to no dupes

except for the hardest ones, the cost restricted


also matsy pls change my leaders to Awoken Isis* and Ra Dragon*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 26, 2015, 02:49:09 PM
Ra dragon not even out yet dood
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 26, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
He should be out on Friday though

And I have all that materials ready to instantly hypermax him :V


also
(http://i.imgur.com/AeaJnhY.jpg)
Looks like the dublits decided it was time to get RIIIIIIIPPPED (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=041.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on October 26, 2015, 05:24:40 PM
freyja calm down oh my god

did satsuki really need to be even more broken

and fairytales are super hype but yeah that's not a lot really, hope this is just part 1
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 26, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
apparently that's it

yeah we're gonna buff 100 monsters aka buff 10 and then give subtypes/atts to the other 90

thanks gungho as usual
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 26, 2015, 05:39:40 PM
Freyja just got INSAAAANE holy crap.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on October 26, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
Heheh. Called the triple rows :V

Now if only she came out of the REM for me. For some reason she sent her brother instead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 26, 2015, 06:13:15 PM
Heheh. Called the triple rows :V

Now if only she came out of the REM for me. For some reason she sent her brother instead.
The triple rows makes me incredibly happy.  I know wood's mainly about TPAs but I just really like the potential wood rows had had from my looking at what already existed, so them bringing em into VERY usable forms is quite satisfying.

...it might also be my lack of a lot of the big TPA cards(Parvati, Liuuu Bei, Bastet, Vishnu, etc), but I dunno.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 26, 2015, 06:30:15 PM
I mean technically Liu Bei also has a row.

Awoken Norse buff both their main and sub-attribute colors, right? So would it be outlandish to field awoken I&I on a Byakko team to buff dark x2 for two turns?
Obvs Loki would be the ideal but he hasn't shown his face in my box yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 26, 2015, 06:38:34 PM
I mean technically Liu Bei also has a row.

Awoken Norse buff both their main and sub-attribute colors, right? So would it be outlandish to field awoken I&I on a Byakko team to buff dark x2 for two turns?
Obvs Loki would be the ideal but he hasn't shown his face in my box yet.
Yes, and why not?  Just because it's strange doesn't mean it's wrong!  I mean, I like using Shinra Sun God Apollo for all-atts dungeons on Karin so...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 27, 2015, 01:06:26 AM
Result of today's Zaerog Infinity farming.

A bunch of rank up experience. Surprisingly, you get about 50,000 exp per run, which is pretty damn good. Also contains a guaranteed Super King, some pengdras and of course a really unique fight.

Got two skillups over the course of today, which brings me up to 9 out of 11. Sweet deal.

I'm legit surprised at how effective LZL/Awoken Ammy is, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2015, 01:39:22 AM
Oof, I guess I didn't realize just how tedious Awoken Susano is to make. Ultimate Goemon and Ultimate Tengu is a lot of materials to farm. Damn.

For all of the mountains of jewels I've got, I actually am finding myself running low on red jewels. I'm going to need three more for immediate projects (two for Susano, one for a second ultimate Izanami) and while I'm sure I have that many somewhere I think I'm going to have to blindly dig through mails to get them, and that's going to flood my box with other jewels that I don't care about.

Meanwhile, I really should start working on Awoken Orochi. Not because I have any particular plans for him (although I guess he technically could sub in for Sun Quan on Awoken Ra sometimes, but I'm not sure why I would do that) but because I need a way to burn of excess Bubpiis. I have nothing that I can really use them on and I'm starting to amass too many.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on October 27, 2015, 01:50:56 AM

Meanwhile, I really should start working on Awoken Orochi. Not because I have any particular plans for him (although I guess he technically could sub in for Sun Quan on Awoken Ra sometimes, but I'm not sure why I would do that) but because I need a way to burn of excess Bubpiis. I have nothing that I can really use them on and I'm starting to amass too many.

Awoken Orochi is a key c10 enabler in the future so there's no harm prepping for it. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 27, 2015, 05:16:41 AM
There are c10s that Goemon can beat? :O
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on October 27, 2015, 12:07:14 PM
So we got a new regular pantheon - Constellation Machines pantheon.

Their particular gimmick is to have 2 Heart OE, 2 Color OE and 2 SBR. The AS is to convert hearts + jammers + poisons to their main color and has Haste, it is very similar to Satsuki's AS. 

R/L = Antares
B/G = Alresch
G/D = Spica
L/R = Pollux
D/B = Castor

Their LS = x4 ATK when matching exactly 5 enhanced orbs at once. They resist about 25% of all attribute except their main color.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 27, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
So we got a new regular pantheon - Constellation Machines pantheon.

Their particular gimmick is to have 2 Heart OE, 2 Color OE and 2 SBR. The AS is to convert hearts + jammers + poisons to their main color and has Haste, it is very similar to Satsuki's AS. 

R/L = Antares
B/G = Alresch
G/D = Spica
L/R = Pollux
D/B = Castor

Their LS = x4 ATK when matching exactly 5 enhanced orbs at once. They resist about 25% of all attribute except their main color.

I have heard conflicting reports amongst some people that it might just be one of the orbs at minimum like the other popcorn LSes, some say it's all five. All five would be extremely unwieldy, to say the least.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on October 27, 2015, 01:50:03 PM
I have heard conflicting reports amongst some people that it might just be one of the orbs at minimum like the other popcorn LSes, some say it's all five. All five would be extremely unwieldy, to say the least.

Had to check wording again. Looks like it's just regular popcorn.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 27, 2015, 01:58:48 PM
wow that new descend boss actually looks like a decent Isis sub

...although Reine's new "buff" actually make it worse because she gained attacker >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 27, 2015, 02:54:24 PM
Whoa I can get Draggie from descended carnival? I need to get on that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2015, 03:00:04 PM
Oh man, Isungr would be an interesting Ra sub if only his colors were a little different. Maybe a decent Kali sub to fill her blue slot? I don't know, he's one of the stranger cards ever, but he seems like he has potential for something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 27, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
Draggie get yay

Now to wait to skill it up with dragon fruits


As for Volsungr, I'm torn. I think his debuff seriously limits his usefulness, but that aside he's fucking ace.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2015, 04:23:01 PM
I was just like "Oh wait, he's a rainbow dragon sub! I know just what to do with him! White Sonia, right?". Then I came to my senses.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on October 27, 2015, 04:38:54 PM
So far, I think the best bet is UmiYama sub.  Nut was talked about too. I can't think of any other nice places though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on October 27, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
Would using a damage buff of some kind overwrite the debuff?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 27, 2015, 05:19:27 PM
Would using a damage buff of some kind overwrite the debuff?

Assuming it works like literally every other debuff in the game? Yeah.

Grand Sonia would probably work because of that, yes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 27, 2015, 05:59:29 PM
Yeah, part of what we discussed was that the Weapon cards could actually be mega-useful for this dude because since they give a small attacker buff on a stupid fast cooldown, to the point that you could run two Volsungr in succession. If you wanted to.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2015, 06:58:35 PM
Wow, if that's the case then he's a great White Sonia sub, and she just got way more legit as a farmable lead. What other farmable dragon subs are rainbow-friendly?

She still needs the green slot filled, but I don't think she cares about Draggie that much because she already has an enhance herself. Maybe Zhao Yun? His active isn't great, but it's not nothing. I guess you could also use any fruit dragon for green too, since although their active breaks Sonia's leader skill it would still be handy for stalling, and all of the awakenings would be useful.

WSonia/Volsungr/Volsungr/Defoud/Zhao Yun or Lemon Dragon/WSonia

Kind of low-utility, but for a 100% farmable team it seems like it packs a lot of punch.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on October 27, 2015, 07:06:10 PM
What other farmable dragon subs are rainbow-friendly?

Nordis?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
Oh yeah shit, Nordis would fill the green slot while providing great stats and a passable active. Gravity might be really handy for Sonia since I'm guessing her damage is probably a little lot and she may fall short of killing a lot of things normally. His awakenings are a little sketchy for a rainbow team, but they're still great for farmable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on October 27, 2015, 07:22:31 PM
Alresch with a Baggi sub for maximum survivability sounds fun.
Spica's also cute but I'm not sure if I have the right subs for her even if I pull one.
Oh who am I kidding I haven't pulled a single green pantheon god in a year there's no chance I'm getting her. rip

Glad gungho finally started giving pantheons more than 4 awakenings to start with because waiting a year to uevo them so that people start using them is so dumb.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 27, 2015, 10:53:45 PM
Did Descend Carnival, got Tengu and Gaia, did not get Draggie this time. I'm happy with that. Now to start the obnoxious process of leveling up and evolving Tengu. So tempted to just throw a snow globe in him...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 27, 2015, 11:53:17 PM
i died to sphinx because skyfalls brought him to exactly 10% from full >___>


also apparently your HP total gets added in coop mode?

oh boy would it be possible to hit 1 million HP with two hypermaxed noah teams :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 28, 2015, 12:14:06 AM
oh boy would it be possible to hit 1 million HP with two hypermaxed noah teams :V

Nowhere close. The maximum amount with 10 hyper noahs with hp latents is only 465,201 HP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 01:06:54 AM
oh for some reason I thought you could hit 500k with noah
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 28, 2015, 01:40:11 AM
I noticed there was a director's choice carnival happening and decided to do one pull. Got Ra. My thought process basically went:

"Hmm..."

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/2009.png): "Sacchi?"

"Oh, yeah? What is it Horus?"

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/2009.png): "You're not... thinking of replacing me as your rainbow leader... right?"

"I've spent far too many resources on you to quit now."

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/2009.png): "But if you hadn't... would you?"

"I ain't good enough to activate your LS consistently, much less his."

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/2009.png): [squeals in flamingchickenese]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 28, 2015, 01:43:17 AM
"only 465,201."

Also did another pull because I never learn.

>light CyberDragon

Ok I'm done for real,ugh.  It isn't terrible, but I don't really have much of a team yet to make him fit.  Not useless so I can't trash it either, but oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 04:42:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/BYjPwEW.png)

These damage numbers happened when I got an excellent Kali board with 11 white orbs, then like a million white skyfalls, half of which were two-prongs. And this is even without Sun Quan's active. Get killed, Mephisto. Consider this payback for all the times you were mean to me right after you came out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 28, 2015, 07:03:32 AM
So we have transformers in this game now.

(http://pad.gungho.jp/member/lineup/img_newmonster/151028/2417_mjuxpj.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/A7pRUXE.jpg)

But not just any kind of transformers - MONMUSU TRANSFORMERS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 28, 2015, 12:31:29 PM
No-stoned lifive last night. AYomi strong.

I wonder if I can do ilsix...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 12:37:20 PM
Yeah, I have no plan for Ilsix right now. Gabriel doesn't want to do it because a 50% chance of gravity is crazy, Ra doesn't want to do it because dealing with Starling would be a bitch and Ilsix's mechanics are pretty rough on rainbow gods. I suppose if I work out the math just right Verdandi actually has a shot, or maybe dual Gabriels if I want to die of boredom?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 28, 2015, 01:04:17 PM
Starling is the real choking point for Yomi, too. There's just too much risk of hitting too hard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 02:20:52 PM
i regret hypermaxing two andromedas

thier hp is just so terrible that even when hypermaxed i can't tank big hits, even with Isis shield. I'm always just a little bit off.

also even though my base RCV is high, it's still pretty bad compared to anything with even a tiny RCV multipler
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 28, 2015, 03:39:43 PM
How low is her base HP, like 2500 or something?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on October 28, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
3k HP is nowhere near "so terrible" imo?  More, since yours are hypermaxed.

I guess either invest in hp latents or run an HP lead / bigger shield if you need to tank a big hit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Zerviscos on October 28, 2015, 03:42:07 PM
Wow. An FF collab. Makes me want to play again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 03:48:32 PM
I guess either invest in hp latents
It would be nice if those would appear again ._.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on October 28, 2015, 04:10:20 PM
"Invest" in this case would be buying them, sadly :V

With that said, you're switching to ra dragon right?  Probably better HP across the board on that sort of team
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 28, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
So apparently the final three floors of Super Ultimate God Rush (co-op α) are:

Zeus-Stratios -> Divine Queen Hera -> UA Kali
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 28, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
Just 2-stoned dragon rush. It was... surprisingly painless, actually. Vishnu's active overwrites Beyzul's Ice Age, I have more than enough damage to destroy Wangren in a reasonable amount of time, I got a lot of ease in the first two floors by rolling the water monsters in both of them (and the first one gives me an eternity to stall) and I blocked a skill block with only 40% resist (since everyone besides the leaders were bound) and LKouryou was surprisingly low-health  :wat:

However, Threedia wrecked me because of lack of health - I didn't remember his second turn hit for 20k :V - and Zaerog kinda murdered me with Zero Blast when I fucked up my combo and left him with a sliver of health - and no, dark resists wouldn't have helped since I wasn't at full health.

Oh right and I uvo'd Kouryou into LKouryou despite having never done Paradise. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 05:03:36 PM
Unsurprisingly after getting Grisar right away, I haven't seen one Elia in ~25 runs. No way in hell I would ever directly farm skillups for these guys, less than 4% appearance rate (for me so far) for a 25% or less chance at a skillup is unreasonable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on October 28, 2015, 05:08:12 PM
So apparently the final three floors of Super Ultimate God Rush (co-op α) are:

Zeus-Stratios -> Divine Queen Hera -> UA Kali

Ahahaha DQ Hera pre-empt 53566 damage.
DKali hp 37mil hahahahahaha.

But since this is 0stam sounds fun.

I know someone on iOS but gotta wait for him to wake up but he also has work in the morning so might have to wait till weekends before we can find some time to co-op. :( arg timezones

Unsurprisingly after getting Grisar right away, I haven't seen one Elia in ~25 runs. No way in hell I would ever directly farm skillups for these guys, less than 4% appearance rate (for me so far) for a 25% or less chance at a skillup is unreasonable.

Yea. I didn't start bothering with Elia until 10x +eggs on descends was a thing so that Elia is kinda a bonus. Otherwise farming for pys sounds like a more mentally healthy thing to do. (Imagine getting a 0/5 on these guys after farming for invades for days)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 05:45:38 PM
You know, Lifive is much more viable than I remember now that I look at him again. For all of everyone shitting on him for being too expensive I guess I overlooked that he's pretty solid. Not sure what you'd run him on exactly (maybe Takeru?), but his stats are solid, his awakenings are passable or better, and his active is great at max skill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on October 28, 2015, 06:22:00 PM
DMeta is now 1.35x HP and ATK to DARK.
HP 51~80% 3x ATK
HP 0%~50% 4x ATK

So your DARK team basically stays x16 at 51~80% and gets boosted to 29x when you're under 50% hp.

Edit: Seems like the type restriction on DMeta is gone. :V She's pretty good now...?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 28, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
Huh, so she gets a base ATK multiplier now too? Intriguing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 28, 2015, 06:42:52 PM
Also remember that she is now on a 5 turn cd and her earlier forms now have the same active.

So... yeah?

@fakee:
Huh, so she gets a base ATK multiplier now too? Intriguing.

Yeah, she now also has an unconditional 1.35x atk multiplier for dark, which means that she's a 4.05x leader at 51~80% HP and a 5,4x leader below that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on October 28, 2015, 06:46:50 PM
It'd be nice if Light Metatron got a leader skill buff too. Don't see people leading with her that much anymore. Maybe the Valk "healer and gods treatment" and making the multiplier easier to maintain and/or increase the HP bonus by x amount.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 08:11:42 PM
As someone who uses a white Metatron friend lead a lot, the buff I'd like to see is some kind of RCV multiplier. Same skill as now, but with 1.35x RCV. Maybe add god to the types she works with. Maaaaybe give her an extra small attack boost too max HP.

Lot of stuff they could do with her, hopefully they pick one or two things.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 08:13:17 PM
Ahahaha DQ Hera pre-empt 53566 damage.
huh but since you have double HP each player only needs around 27k HP which is a lot less than you need normally :V


e: huh so your HP gets added up but your RCV doesn't

So then RCV boosting leaders like Awoken Norse clearly have an advantage :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 08:41:45 PM
I'm assuming players take turns taking moves, is that right? Abd they use their own orb-matching-related stats (ATK/RCV) and awakenings during their own turn? If that's the case then having one dedicated DPS player and one dedicated cleric player might be a good idea. Isis to attack, Gabriel to heal?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 09:28:23 PM
Yeah that could work

Or you could just both use Ra Dragon lel


Also how are the Director's Carnival Rates? The only card I care about right now (OH BOY DOESN'T THAT SOUND FAMILIAR) is Indra and he's in the carnival. I know PCGF is coming up but there's always the chance that NA players are dumb and don't vote him


e: actually wait no I don't think Gab/Isis would work because I think your friend leader is just your teammates leader so you both basically have to play the same team type
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on October 28, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
Indra doesn't seem like something NA would vote in. He doesn't have flashy triple prongs/rows/whatever and hasn't gotten a new ult. Personally, I like using Indra a lot on my JP account, but I can't see him appealing to the Cat/Norn/Shiva-loving crowd of NA. I don't think Ra dragon people are common enough for him to show up.
As someone who uses a white Metatron friend lead a lot, the buff I'd like to see is some kind of RCV multiplier. Same skill as now, but with 1.35x RCV. Maybe add god to the types she works with. Maaaaybe give her an extra small attack boost too max HP.

Lot of stuff they could do with her, hopefully they pick one or two things.
An RCV bonus wouldn't mean that much tbh. In my experience, her biggest problem is that she doesn't do enough damage. She can't itemize rows or prongs that well, and light healers need more people. Still disappointed in no healer Apollo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 09:43:10 PM
Yeah, I guess I should be clear that I'm talking about me here, not most people. For the benefit of most people she needs 4x ATK at 100% and some kind of offensive awakenings (two light Orb Enhance would be cool).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on October 28, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
Also how are the Director's Carnival Rates? The only card I care about right now (OH BOY DOESN'T THAT SOUND FAMILIAR) is Indra and he's in the carnival. I know PCGF is coming up but there's always the chance that NA players are dumb and don't vote him

I'd uh, not bet on PCGF. larger pool, indra feels fairly unlikely to get voted (subs don't often get votes), and well no idea when it is

Carnival isn't the best idea either though, i'd wait for a indian 1.0 fest.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
how are special carnival rates vs GF? Director's carnival says it has x3 rates, while GF... also has x3 rates?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 28, 2015, 10:27:37 PM
It should be the same unless we're talking Godfest + Gala (Then it's 4.5x) but that rarely happens.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 10:30:00 PM
Tomorrow is my 400th day, so I'll have some REM pulls. Because I am dumb I'm going to throw one at Director's Choice and let it decide where any others go. If I get aomething good, more Director's Choice. If not, more futile fishing for Hallowsopdet and Thothoween.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on October 28, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
e: actually wait no I don't think Gab/Isis would work because I think your friend leader is just your teammates leader so you both basically have to play the same team type

Theoretically you can do something like put together a team of Heart OEs subs which gives a respectable rcv boost and have the other player stack offensive awakenings like TPAs or rows.
But the Heart OE pool needs to be larger for this to be feasible but I'm not sure if anyone here hope for the Heart OE pool to be any larger than it is. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 28, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
So Ra Dragon will be out on Nov 1st (It says right in the shop Odin Dragon will be here until Oct 31) and I'm exactly 50k MP off 300k

The question is do I sell off Dmeta, or 10 other cards? Yeah Dmeta recently got a nice buff and it might be fun to mess around with, but it's not necessarily game changing either and it's unlikely she'll get another buff for a while now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 28, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
So Ra Dragon will be out on Nov 1st (It says right in the shop Odin Dragon will be here until Oct 31) and I'm exactly 50k MP off 300k

The question is do I sell off Dmeta, or 10 other cards? Yeah Dmeta recently got a nice buff and it might be fun to mess around with, but it's not necessarily game changing either and it's unlikely she'll get another buff for a while now.

option c) wait for the godfest in like 3 days and pull one 6*, ezpz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 28, 2015, 11:24:58 PM
Theoretically you can do something like put together a team of Heart OEs subs which gives a respectable rcv boost and have the other player stack offensive awakenings like TPAs or rows.
But the Heart OE pool needs to be larger for this to be feasible but I'm not sure if anyone here hope for the Heart OE pool to be any larger than it is. :V

Given that so far they've been a straight-up free add to already-good cards, I say pile 'em on.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 28, 2015, 11:40:59 PM
yo commandercool

I think I stole this from you.  (http://imgur.com/dMQm9Dz)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 29, 2015, 12:10:35 AM
yo commandercool

I think I stole this from you.  (http://imgur.com/dMQm9Dz)

Nooooo that's mine! Trade you three Haloweezanamis for it (as though I hadn't already sold two).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 29, 2015, 01:01:43 AM
Nooooo that's mine! Trade you three Haloweezanamis for it (as though I hadn't already sold two).
Take them, please. I don't want to skill up another Descend boss that only drops 50% of the time while also needing 10 skillups.

(So basically my success ratio farming Zaerog Infinity again?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 29, 2015, 01:10:58 AM
tried extreme evo rush and died because ayomi is too hardddddddd

i should really evo zaerog
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 29, 2015, 01:42:12 AM
Take them, please. I don't want to skill up another Descend boss that only drops 50% of the time while also needing 10 skillups.

(So basically my success ratio farming Zaerog Infinity again?)

I'll do it, I'm a masochist (besides, I mostly plan on using them for S-ranks, so I don't think I neeeeed max skill).

tried extreme evo rush and died because ayomi is too hardddddddd

i should really evo zaerog


No kidding, Awoken Yomi looks like a fucking nightmare to me. Would not want to play when I can just powerblast guys with Ra harder for way less effort. Yomi is definitely a rad sub, but I am intimidated by/failing to understand the point of him* as a lead.

*Have we come to a conclusion on PAD Yomi's gender yet? Mythological Tsukuyomi is a man, but obviously that's not conclusive with PAD. I think I read that they intentionally drew him androgynous, but do we know for sure if he's a particular gender?

Edit: And I should be clear that I'm being semi-facetious when I compare him to Ra. One is a rainbow god and the other isn't, that's a big enough difference right there. But as "huge multiplier awoken gods" I think they sort of compare.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 29, 2015, 01:42:37 AM
i should really evo zaerog

Damn right you should.

I'm not really sure where to go with Zaerogoo. Courtesy of Zaerogoo's absurd stats (http://imgur.com/7AcAT5O) I should be able to squeak past 30,000 HP after Dizzy is +'d and Zaerogoo gets the last 97 +eggs. Having two healers also means I have an acceptable 3800~ RCV, which goes a lot farther when Dizzy is active.

But I don't like having to rely on two Byakko boards, even when Zaerogoo brings their CD down considerably and dark skyfalls have a huge omgwtfbbq factor. Subbing out D/D Byakko with Goetia (who has greater HP and about equal RCV) might help out a lot, especially since her 6 CD is very fast and will easily be up when I need her.

The major substitutions I could make, if I roll her, would be Satsuki. Vritra could see use, if I roll that guy, and D/L Fagan could be a gravity in the event I need to take down 21 million HP in one turn somehow. I still have a max skilled Cyclone Devil Dragon from my Beelzebub days as well. Maaaybe Hadar could be a statstick who enhances orbs as well?

I can dream of rolling Halloween Bonia.

inb4 I convert D/D Byakko to D/R.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 29, 2015, 02:21:58 AM
*Have we come to a conclusion on PAD Yomi's gender yet? Mythological Tsukuyomi is a man, but obviously that's not conclusive with PAD. I think I read that they intentionally drew him androgynous, but do we know for sure if he's a particular gender?

The artist that drew Yomi said that he was indeed intentionally androgynous, but D/D Yomi is a girl, while D/L is a man.

Awoken Tsukuyomi is anyone's guess though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 29, 2015, 03:17:26 AM
I remember when I beat this back when people thought it was impossible unless you whaled.

(http://i.imgur.com/DYWeVTu.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KCULSaa.png)

If only you could see how much stronger you'd become, me of 8 months ago.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 29, 2015, 11:08:31 AM
Alright, I have 15 stones from login bonuses. I will leave their fate to the REM's first offering.

-Shiva

Ooh, not bad. Direcror's choice it is. Sorry T&S, I may be able to grind out one more pull before you're gone, so I hope you're in it, but otherwise no dice.

-Venus
-Strawberry Dragon (evolved too, so it got my hopes up)

Still, 2/3 not bad. I don't have immediate uses for either, but both are obviously great. I was hoping for Valkyries but I'm plenty happy with this.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 29, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
oh ultimate arena is out

have you cleared it yet chirei? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 29, 2015, 01:03:20 PM
oh ultimate arena is out

have you cleared it yet chirei? :V

If I used a mainstream team? I could probably do it with a dozen tries or so, but I don't want to waste stamina right now.

With Alraune? I have to solve the Kali Damage Problem first.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 29, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
If I used a mainstream team? I could probably do it with a dozen tries or so, but I don't want to waste stamina right now.

With Alraune? I have to solve the Kali Damage Problem first.
Any tanky team can just bring a gravity for Kali
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 29, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
Any tanky team can just bring a gravity for Kali

Not that easy. My only option is Nordis, and then I still have to do 5% health with the remaining utility of the other 3 subs, which would be about 3 million damage in one turn. That is not very easy, combined with the fact that she will be quite hard to tank. In addition to this, my only solution to Fatty at the moment is King Woodsie, and that ruins the lineup even further for survivability.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on October 29, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
Plus let's not forget floor 20 is not the only floor of the dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 29, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
Ra can do it for sure, but I would need to figure out the right mix of subs (or just netdeck it, if I can find one that I own all the parts of) and get pretty lucky. Can't really imagine myself taking the time and stamina to grind it all the way through though. Maybe next time I'm on a train I'll buy a ten-pack of stones and go to town, but I got no plans.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on October 29, 2015, 02:15:32 PM
Zaerogoo, as unreliable as he can be, is probably my best bet. I could maybe cobble together a Kirin team with Elia, Valk, and friends, but that involves me being good with Kirin. I probably need an LKali for that as well.

Ugh but I need Satsuki pretty badly to make Zaerogoo work.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 29, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
*Yolo pull
*Yolo pull
*Whatever could it be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn5h9KVSJh4)

*It's Alfecca and another goddamn meatball mace man
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 29, 2015, 03:38:02 PM
M e a t b a l l n a t i o n

Probably useless for you, but he really isnt too bad. Try for a skillup since you sound like you have multiples!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 29, 2015, 04:19:58 PM
nah i'll take the mp instead :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 29, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Plus let's not forget floor 20 is not the only floor of the dungeon.

I didn't forget, I already know roughly what I can and can't take along the way, which is why I already determined this is impossible without King Woodsie. I did beat XEC already, after all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 29, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
it's easy all you have to do is get a 15 combo with 4 wood tpas :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 29, 2015, 05:59:45 PM
it's easy all you have to do is get a 15 combo with 4 wood tpas :V

That actually wouldn't be enough. It has to be five TPAs - I've already tested my damage in extreme circumstances like this one, so I already know exactly what I need anyway.

(http://i.imgur.com/RlPPNaO.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 30, 2015, 01:33:27 AM
>KR getting x10 descends

NA DONT LET US DOWN
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 30, 2015, 05:11:36 AM
oh man oh man oh man

now I REALLY am torn on pulling FF stuff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 30, 2015, 11:49:28 AM
oh man oh man oh man

now I REALLY am torn on pulling FF stuff
At least do one pull for principles' sake or youll likely regret it later.   You had been waiting for this for HOW long again?  Past the one though, use your best judgment I suppose.

Speaking of Judgment, let's not get into how terrible Ilya/Elia is to fight.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 30, 2015, 12:35:22 PM
forget ff collab, damn those fotns buffs

kenshiro is now as strong as aHorus but has no active condition AND has a rcv multipler
yuria is the real juggler 2.0 with both a better high end at 7.5x and also damage spread with 4.5x, 3x, and 1.5x
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
Speaking of Judgment, let's not get into how terrible Ilya/Elia is to fight.

Fight? How about find? I'm well over thirty runs on her timer at this point and I haven't seen one trace of her. There's other stuff I'd rather be doing too, but I feel like I can't pass up a chance for a "free" REM-tier monster.

I probably wouldn't even use her if I had her, either. I'm now actively working on my Wukong team now since I pulled Venus, and I've got enough white orbchanges as it is. Granted most of them aren't as prong-friendly as she is, but I don't have an active white prong team right now (unless you count Ra, and she doesn't go there).

Edit: Also, terrible how. I haven't fought her yet (COUGH COUGH), but what's bad about her fight?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 30, 2015, 01:36:15 PM
100K + defense, she has a status shield, 2.5m HP, and her attacks heal her(Sanctuary hits for a bit over 7k and heals her 20% of her max HP, Lightning Blade heals her 10% and does a little under 11k...Under half I believe it's a skill delay...and if she hits critical HP(30% was it?) she flat out murders you with Judgment(six digit damage here, folks) AND FULLY RECOVERS. 

I was all set to fight Minerva last night in Ur's stage(somehow never actually got her stone whoops.  Only ever beat her in challenges apparently) then SHE shows up instead.  Was excited since I wanted her, but...gotta actually KO her to use her!  I couldnt consecutively nuke her either which I normally would have but since Ur was next stage I woulda NEEDED a 7s to at least push her into dark so she didnt use Eternal Thirst on me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 02:07:12 PM
Yeah, I guess it was the high defense that I overlooked. She seemed pretty soft compared to Grisar's colossal assload of HP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 30, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
I like that even as a filthy casual I can get numbers like this, but I'm sad my beach pandora and Halloween alraune were kinda non -starters.   Maybe if I can get more orb changers skilled up.
(http://i.imgur.com/1LKM6X6l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/1LKM6X6)

I got Ilya first day after stoning a few times for stamina. The fight was harder than I expected so I just stoned once to beat her.  If I have an abundance of pys I could use her I guess?  Now that I can beat 7/10 challenges that may happen.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 30, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
aYomi in tricolor is just silly

I'm pretty sure I'm hitting so hard could one shot the Kalis even with their shield on
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 02:53:32 PM
I like that Awoken Amaterasu by the way Moogs. She's a weird fit for Gabriel, but she sort of works with him despite not being blue at all. You planning on hypermaxing her?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on October 30, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
Yeah, she's replaced LMeta for me. I don't have much to do so after I farm Tamas this weekend I'll be hyper maxing Ammy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
Neat. I'll look forward to it. I lose a ton of HP over Metatron by pairing with her, but I gain a TON of recovery. She probably makes Lifive farmable with Gabe, among other niche uses.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/I5BZFw4.jpg)

Die Elia die! (That's German for "the Elia the".)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on October 30, 2015, 05:43:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/I5BZFw4.jpg)

Die Elia die! (That's German for "the Elia the".)

Don't know why but "Seid ihr das Essen? Nein, wir sind die J?ger!" popped into my mind after reading that  :V

Anyway, today is a good day..... today i can finally give one HUGE middle finger to twinlit dungeon and shout to my phone like a lunatic "This is what i think of your orbtrolling!!!"

If it wasn't clear, i finally have enough skill-ups for a quick farm team for twinlit and it's basically 99% safe (don't know if a trollish Ronia's active on final floor, something like 5-25, would let me ohko them anyway but i'm not in a hurry to test that possible 1% of failure  :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 30, 2015, 06:14:51 PM
Yeah, I guess it was the high defense that I overlooked. She seemed pretty soft compared to Grisar's colossal assload of HP.
Yeah.  Her DEF wouldnt be a problem if every move she did didnt also heal her ALONG with her being un-delayable.  Alas, i'll need to plan for her possible appearances it seems.  Maybe start using GZL more or, even better, finally get ANeptune up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 06:25:18 PM
It helps that she's pretty offensively weak until she gets to low health. You could maybe stall on her until you get a good seven-star roll.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 30, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
It helps that she's pretty offensively weak until she gets to low health. You could maybe stall on her until you get a good seven-star roll.
Yeah, that'll probably end up being what I did next time I see her.  Guess I better get to work on Nep soon.

For now though, focusing on killimg the war dragons so I can finally unlock the Dragon Knights and punch Cleo's face in forever for Warons.  I'm just -done- with SQ being 17 turns.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 30, 2015, 07:49:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4UYEHHd.jpg)

I made this because I like goofy crap and hate resources.

Edit: Oh shit, I'm totally running Udon/Wukong/Apollo/DXDQ/Awoken Venus/Awoken Thor at some point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on October 30, 2015, 08:17:21 PM
rolled a bunch of evo carnival for blue mask, only sadness

oh well time to hunt an angel
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on October 31, 2015, 01:19:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/0zESEHa.png)

OK, great, that's done. Maybe I will hypermax her in future.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 31, 2015, 05:55:30 AM
Huh? I thought people said this dungeon was supposed to be hard!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/reozoUQ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/TfnGQeE.png) (http://i.imgur.com/9WpugSP.png) (http://i.imgur.com/QPMbZhk.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on October 31, 2015, 07:22:33 AM
It is when you're not running a full hypermax team :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on October 31, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
It is when you're not running a full hypermax team :v

Not to mention lower multipliers give you more allowance on Starling, who is the true boss.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2015, 03:31:43 PM
Alright, one final Halloween roll. Come ooooon, Thothdet.

(http://imgur.com/jxwxF7S.png)

Lol.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on October 31, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
So is that a win or a loss?  =P
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
It's a win, I guess. I wanted the most common thing in the machine and I got the rarest, so it's novelty at least. I have enough and the correct distribution of Kalis that I didn't need her, and black Kali's utility stuff is useful on Ra, but I may hypermax this one so I can lead with her. Her leader skill is cool.

Probably the last collab eight-star I ever would have picked, but I'm still happy to have her for goofs at least. And if I ever get an Awoken Isis she maybe becomes the better choice over black Kali on my Ra team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 31, 2015, 04:56:57 PM
Alright, one final Halloween roll. Come ooooon, Thothdet.

(http://imgur.com/jxwxF7S.png)

Lol.
jesus christ
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on October 31, 2015, 05:07:08 PM
If I'm playing her it's probably HKali/WKali/Wkali/WMetatron/Sun Quan or Muse?/Hkali. That's a much sturdier team than Ra with much lower damage. If I ever get my hands on Fuma then the damage potentially becomes pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 31, 2015, 06:51:33 PM
option c) wait for the godfest in like 3 days and pull one 6*, ezpz
welp the godfest sucks and doesn't happen until after ra dragon is out anyways so

to sell dmeta or not to sell that is the question...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 31, 2015, 07:15:12 PM
to sell dmeta or not to sell that is the question...

She just got even more absurd in JP, I wouldn't do it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on October 31, 2015, 08:15:17 PM
Huh? I thought people said this dungeon was supposed to be hard!!!

I don't know which is better: that you just owned one of the hardest technicals with Alraune or that you did so with half of your team farmable....

Kudos Chirei, your achievement with the lil cutie are both inspiring and depressing for me! Inspiring because i'm hellbent on making Sephiroth and Levi (if we ever get SnK in NA) my main team, despite possibly having stronger teams; depressing because you cleared so many dungeons i haven't even touched yet with my Ronia team  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 31, 2015, 08:19:09 PM
I don't know which is better: that you just owned one of the hardest technicals with Alraune or that you did so with half of your team farmable....

Not much of a choice there sadly, those are more or less her best subs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 31, 2015, 08:26:06 PM
yeah, but all the super good Dmeta team's I've seen all involve several Satsukis

also keeping Dmeta means I have to sell 10 other things

well I might as well list the stuff that I could possibly sell now

3k:
Fruit Dragons and Chibi Chinese - I don't really want to sell any of these because I spent so much just trying to collect their stupid cute faces in the first place

5k:
Uriel - he's a good sub for cards I don't have, but he also might get an awoken soonish maybe
Nim - still not a muse >: (
Leilan - it would feel kind of bad to sell chinese but i dont really have any use for her
Mamiya - I see her a lot in jp runs because of her awakenings so I probably dont want to sell her
Awoken Neptune - I'd rather keep all my water cards incase of Isis buffs or Isis dragon or something but man this guy has not had any real use for me aside from killing fatty dragon a few times...
U&Y - ehh I dunno. I'd rather keep and he's getting a super ult but also havent had to use him at all since aIsis came out
Sharon - cute but useless, but I should probaly keep incase her ult is good
Alfecca - probably better to keep as an Isis sub
Dupe Nut - no real use for her aside from dick jokes
Perseus - another good sub but I just dont have the team
GGY - yeah I'm selling this guy regardless lol
Avalon - i remember the days when two rows two sb was considered good lol. I mean it still kind of is but there's just better options now
Awoken Ammy - dont really have a use for her but she is good so it's probably better if I keep her
Apollo - next three cards would all work well in a light row team with aThor I guess so it would be nice to keep them
Wukong
Valkitty
Raphael - maybe will get awoken soon so eh
Awoken Thor - probably going to keep him
Hanzo - used to be a good Dmeta sub because he was attacker, but now Dmeta doesn't care about type so even if I keep her Hanzo is still kind of meh
Goetia - maybe a good aYomi sub with her skillups coming eventually but also maybe not

15k:
Ronia - still sort of useful for Zombie Dragon dungeon I guess lol
Sumire - so I maxed her only to never touch her again but she's still blue ehhh

50k:
Dmeta - yep

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on October 31, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
stuff

Mamiya is a Silver, so 3k.

How I went through this game, I just really kept stuff from the elements I liked, so R/G/L. I guess in your case, you'd keep blue.

Ronia + GGY + Dupe Nut + Nim + Avalon + Perseus + Goetia + roll a gf somewhere

Reasonings:

Ronia: Unless you're going to do that farmable arena beelzeronia team, you don't really run red. You also appear to have a dupe.
Nim: Do you have Freyr? He's a lot better.
Dupe Nut: This one is dodgy. She has two TPAs now and 4 OE is fairly strong on top of it.
GGY: You want to sell him anyway.
Avalon: Like GGY, he is green rows, but green rows kind of suck right now.
Perseus: I would give this a second thought because you have Verdandi. I use him on her even though he has no TPA.
Goetia: DMeta is better.

I also notice your padherder says you have Rozuel. She's not terribly useful in the long run right now, but did you just glance over her? You don't run red, and Uriel is better I think.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on October 31, 2015, 11:24:18 PM
i havent updated my padherder since the last massacre :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 01, 2015, 03:39:35 AM
all this cheating

(http://i.imgur.com/NjMyAaU.png) (http://i.imgur.com/nhaIoBM.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 01, 2015, 04:16:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xvIVKDN.png)

Ra Dragon team is basically complete now. lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 01, 2015, 04:29:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xvIVKDN.png)

Ra Dragon team is basically complete now. lol

Does Ra Dragon need Kanna? I thought it just spammed Kalis.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 01, 2015, 04:31:09 AM
Does Ra Dragon need Kanna? I thought it just spammed Kalis.

DKali / Indra / A.Isis / Kanna or flex

Some people will use 2 DKalis but I only have 1.

EDIT: Way long overdue, but...

(http://i.imgur.com/XfZxfJJ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7BLhfeN.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 01, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XfZxfJJ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7BLhfeN.png)

where's the next dragon, killer7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 01, 2015, 03:11:17 PM
I melted c9 and EEC

c10 you're next


e: dammit hera skill bound me floor 1

i need you indra :(


Endless Corridors morel like Effortless Corridors

well aside from 5x4s those are still stupid
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 01, 2015, 08:09:27 PM
where's the next dragon, killer7
I dont know much about k7, but I tried making stuff up.

Crimson Dragon Lord, Kiseven
(-> Relentless Sanguine Dragon Lord, Kiseven)
R->R/D
Dragon/Attacker->Dragon/Attacker/Devil

I have too much fun doing silly stuff I suppose.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 01, 2015, 08:41:30 PM
Does anyone know what the +egg drop rates are for halloween now that's its x2 drop rate + increased +egg rates?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 01, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Does anyone know what the +egg drop rates are for halloween now that's its x2 drop rate + increased +egg rates?

probably like 40stam/egg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 01, 2015, 08:48:52 PM
Approximately between "quite good" and "Star Vault on a good day"  :V

I've been running the Int-level for skill-ups (so only 5 floors instead of 6 and almost zero chance on boss floor) and i've got at least one +egg every run

EDIT: of course the run immediately after posting this didn't drop +eggs  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 01, 2015, 08:58:18 PM
Approximately between "quite good" and "Star Vault on a good day"  :V

I've been running the Int-level for skill-ups (so only 5 floors instead of 6 and almost zero chance on boss floor) and i've got at least one +egg every run

EDIT: of course the run immediately after posting this didn't drop +eggs  :V
that actually seems even better than star vault since those cost 30 stam per run and you usually only get 1 or 2 per run as well
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 01, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
welp tried c10 again

reached Z&H, brought them to half HP, and then my finger slipped off the phone and i died >_>

so uh c10 1 stone cleared


also ra dra's active is ridiculous I messed up on the final combo so bad and normally it would have been a 2 stone but I had a million years to fix my mistakes
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 02, 2015, 03:32:56 AM
I guess I placed in the top 12 for the PAD Tournament.

Now the question is, am I strong enough to give myself enough leeway to go, while not crashing and burning in school?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 02, 2015, 03:41:37 AM
the answer is do neither and instead you should teach me how to not suck and gid gud like you

e: oh shit another event already

one-shot challenge yeah let's go


>spirit jewel invade

no why i need hp tamas :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 02, 2015, 04:00:49 AM
the answer is do neither and instead you should teach me how to not suck and gid gud like you

there is only one method

you too, most sacrifice yourself to the norns
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 02, 2015, 04:29:20 AM
teach me how to not suck and gid gud like you

(http://i.imgur.com/RbYOQcp.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 02, 2015, 04:31:28 AM
there is only one method

you too, most sacrifice yourself to the norns

BELL-DAN-DEE
KEI-ICHI-SAN
BELL-DAN-DEE
KEI-ICHI-SAN
BELL-DAN-DEE
KEI-ICHI-SAN
BELL-DAN-DEE
KEI-ICHI-SAN

SKULD
CHI-REI-SAN
SKULD
CHI-REI-SAN
SKULD
CHI-REI-SAN
SKULD
CHI-REI-SAN
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 02, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
Life... Dreams... Hope... Where do they come from? And where do they go...?

Such meaningless things... I'll destroy them all!

(http://imgur.com/INBCpAy.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 02, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Alright Nordis, face the power of Ra Dragon!

>try to hit him below 50%
>skyfalls
>Last Belief

it's okay guys I've learned how to consistently 10 combo

but it only happens if the 10 combo will kill me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 02, 2015, 02:09:09 PM
So has anyone pulled FF collab yet? I decided I wanted to pull until gold but

First pull: Yuna

oh hey its one of the ones I wanted most ;w;

I dunno if I particularly want to spend any of my google play credit or credit card rewards on this but I'd really like to get some of the other golds before calling this quits. I'd especially like Squall and Rinoa, I think, and potentially Cloud. Sephiroth would be nice but total ass to skill up since his skillup drop is from Gilgamesh :V

...

How many Clouds do you need to run the Cloud System?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 02, 2015, 02:13:29 PM
1 pull

Ace

lame

So has anyone pulled FF collab yet? I decided I wanted to pull until gold but

First pull: Yuna

oh hey its one of the ones I wanted most ;w;

I dunno if I particularly want to spend any of my google play credit or credit card rewards on this but I'd really like to get some of the other golds before calling this quits. I'd especially like Squall and Rinoa, I think, and potentially Cloud. Sephiroth would be nice but total ass to skill up since his skillup drop is from Gilgamesh :V

...

How many Clouds do you need to run the Cloud System?
You need like 3 + a friend cloud
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 02, 2015, 02:15:24 PM
I haven't done any pulls and I'm not going to, but I watched two different people do pulls and both get Sephiroth on their first try. One of them did another pull and got another Sephiroth. So from my sample it looks like this REM has a 100% Sephiroth rate. :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: triangles on November 02, 2015, 02:15:59 PM
I want to pull till Vivi it's purely for personal non  puzzlemon reasons but so far I've gotten Rinoa  Squall and Zidane (along with random Ace and Aemo who the heck is she)

FF collab was the one thing I've always said would break my non paying ways buuuut I know me I still probably can't do it :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 02, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
Did one pull, got Zidane.  Definitely not the worst thing I coulda gotten!(thatd prob be Tidus since I have things that outgun him in every way pretty much for my box)

Not doing any other pulls, time to save for Christmas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 02, 2015, 02:33:17 PM
I want to pull till Vivi it's purely for personal non  puzzlemon reasons but so far I've gotten Rinoa  Squall and Zidane (along with random Ace and Aemo who the heck is she)

FF collab was the one thing I've always said would break my non paying ways buuuut I know me I still probably can't do it :fail:

iirc Aemo is a character from some mobile FF game we never got here but we might possibly get now idk

she's cute but kinda useless for me tbh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 02, 2015, 02:54:16 PM
Aemo who the heck is she

I dunno, but her LS when evolved is called RADICAL ORANGE so she must be rad
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 02, 2015, 02:57:04 PM
2 pulls for now: Aemo (sooo cute but sooo useless) and Wol >_>
If i don't get Seph with my 3rd roll (the last available to me with the bonus stones) i'll buy for the first time a full pack.....

EDIT: Well, i guess there IS another way to rack up stones  :V (and i actually need 4 of this guy)
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-11-02-16-54-53_zps2g5zg6nx.png)

Despite reading many harsh comments about this dungeon it was surprisingly easy, and my Verdandi and Liu Bei aren't even max lvl.... TPA-fest with elemental advantage is such a wonderful thing <3

Btw i just checked the FF dungeon.... HOLY SH*T! 910 exp/stam ratio?!?! That's better than KoG!  :*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 02, 2015, 05:19:21 PM
1) Tidus
2) Vivi
3) Ace
4) another Tidus

welp :V

Also Minerva/Ronia and double Lucifer can both handle Mythical, I am pleased.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 02, 2015, 06:41:34 PM
Let's beat up all the FF bosses with monmusu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V91zfQwUX-E)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 02, 2015, 07:18:46 PM
Pro as always Chirei!

I was sure you had put some change of bgm based on the enemy but i didn't expect Gilgamesh invading and the AWESOME switch to his theme!  :D  :dragonforce:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 02, 2015, 08:31:39 PM
Light healers are super strong against this dungeon. I wish the gatcha had something nicer  for them.

(http://i.imgur.com/z0389OQl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/z0389OQ)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 02, 2015, 09:03:52 PM
Oh. My phone can record sound now as I make videos.

Nice.

Hera-Rush testing with Zaerogoo. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSsXXzUByvU)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 02, 2015, 11:00:53 PM
I forgot to check my stamina before I went to bed last night so it was maxed when I woke up this morning. The upside of that is that I cleared the whole Hera challenge in one day so it won't bother me when 3x normals are around. I've decided I'm going to hypermax Halloween Kali, so I'll be trying to get her as finished as possible during this event starting from nothing. I don't love the idea of skilling up yet another Kali, but I may just use Badpiis on her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 02, 2015, 11:39:25 PM
so i thought i was playing puzzles and dragons

(http://i.imgur.com/Xieqy8r.jpg)

but then somehow i ended up in the stanley parable
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 02, 2015, 11:51:25 PM
There was an actual dungeon here before, something has gone wrong, it's all gone horribly wrong!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 02, 2015, 11:56:12 PM
I caved and bought a full pack without waiting for my last free roll..... FF too stronk.
So after getting Aemo and Wol this time i rolled:

3) Wol
4) Ace
5) Wol  :colonveeplusalpha:
6) RINOA!  :)
7) Vivi
8.) SEEEEEPHIIIIIIROOOOOOOOTTTHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8) :toot:

I don't think i'll roll again in the Collab Rem. Cloud is for megawhales and i dislike systems, Squall needs an uevo badly and Yuna have lower priority compared to the first 2. (Zidane and Tidus can go jump off a cliff)

Not sure if i should keep the silvers or convert them in MP.... they are pretty useless
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 03, 2015, 12:07:52 AM
I caved and bought a full pack without waiting for my last free roll..... FF too stronk.
So after getting Aemo and Wol this time i rolled:

3) Wol
4) Ace
5) Wol  :colonveeplusalpha:
6) RINOA!  :)
7) Vivi
8.) SEEEEEPHIIIIIIROOOOOOOOTTTHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8) :toot:

I don't think i'll roll again in the Collab Rem. Cloud is for megawhales and i dislike systems, Squall needs an uevo badly and Yuna have lower priority compared to the first 2. (Zidane and Tidus can go jump off a cliff)

Not sure if i should keep the silvers or convert them in MP.... they are pretty useless
oh wow congrats on actually beating the desire sensor :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 03, 2015, 12:43:00 AM
egg nog
big cherries
eat a bear
ham and cheese


egg nog
big cherries
eat a bear
ham and cheese

8.) SEEEEEPHIIIIIIROOOOOOOOTTTHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8) :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 03, 2015, 07:36:32 AM
So for people running the FF dungeon on Mythical: watch out for sub-40% Neo Exdeath if you're using a lower-multiplier team. Both PDX and Skyozora have Comet listed as being a 5603 hit, but in reality it's a random multihit going all the way up to 22412.

Unsurprisingly this hurts, as I just found out. orz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 03, 2015, 08:08:11 AM
aa2.0 ults and super uevo aa 1.0 announced

details via trance next post prolly, short text:

Aa2.0 all tri-prongers, rozuel not announced yet, michael super uevo has 4 auto-rcv, sb, and 3 rows and 2/1.5/2

shounen sunday collab, get ready to roll your inuyashas

nothing else important happened
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 03, 2015, 08:38:19 AM
Against my better judgement I decided to pull. A lot.

1 pull in the FF collab machine, 4 for part 2 godfest.

- Zidane
- Gryps Rider
- Amenouzume
- Zeta Hydra
- BOdin

Now I have all three odins, a worse fire orochi, my bindclearer for the horus team and the other two.

I'm overall not satisfied but not displeased. Could certainly have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 03, 2015, 10:07:02 AM
Chireiiiiii XDDDDD
I almost sprayed my breakfast over the keyboard!!

Regarding the new ult: jeez, they reeeally are pushing for Green Rows..... DOES THIS MEAN WE ARE FINALLY GETTING KILLUA HxH IN NA?!?!? Yeah sure....  :(

Urgh, don't know if i should try the godfest for Satsuki, since Midnight Gala is going..... should i wait for GFE x4?

Last question: the bosses of FF collab are quite good for low-cost..... do you think any of them would be usable for Gaia/Xuanzang?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 03, 2015, 10:24:26 AM
nothing else important happened

Well there's also Hathor getting two more Light OEs, one heart OE and a finger.

I'm not sure what to think. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dorakyura on November 03, 2015, 10:49:49 AM
Well there's also Hathor getting two more Light OEs, one heart OE and a finger.

I'm not sure what to think. :V

They should at least change the useless water OE to something like SBR or TPA, otherwise it seems disappointing, compared to Osiris and Nut.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 03, 2015, 12:35:43 PM
I'm surprised you all forgot Awoken Loki.  :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2015, 12:44:03 PM
*commandercool wakes up to super ultimate angels and nearly dies of blood loss.*

Well, wasn't expecting that. I've been thinking about Awoken angels a lot lately since they're due to pop up eventually, but I've been  worried that they would get tweaked too much and become too different. I never expected that we would get this instead. This is what I would have hoped Awoken angels might be like in my most ambitious fantasy. Assuming Gabe gets the same/similar treatment anyway, which I am. I hope his art is good... The anticipation for this is gonna kill me.

Oh yeah, and did one godfest pull because Heroes and that's all I could afford.

-Sumire

I don't really know what that is. Is that good?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 03, 2015, 01:20:05 PM
Only if you think a super-bulky water/heal maker with haste ability, stupid easy 20.25x active, and ability to reduce damage by over half by matching a heart cross is good.

So in other words, yeah, she's really good. Especially since you run water :V



Meanwhile I'm very excited to see that Lumiel not only got good with her ult, but got REALLY good. A shame her active still kinda sucks, but she'll make a stellar sub for Yomi/YomiDra/Typhon. :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 03, 2015, 01:41:44 PM
eh I haven't really enjoyed using her so far. 20x is really weak when you have no rows or TPA, and matching a cross of hearts is actually really hard because there's 0 flexibility in how you make it. Unlike a 5 match which you can usually place along a wall so it doesn't get in the way of other orbs, a cross clogs up a 3x3 space. Not to mention it costs 5 heart orbs which you might have been better off saving
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 03, 2015, 01:50:30 PM
matching a cross of hearts is actually really hard because there's 0 flexibility in how you make it.

http://pad.dawnglare.com/?s=uw4qxg2
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 03, 2015, 02:07:02 PM
http://pad.dawnglare.com/?s=uw4qxg2
well excuse me for being terrible

:(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 03, 2015, 02:29:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eltpgMa.png)

Volsungr is quite possibly the easier than Z8 as a dungeon

EDIT:

Awoken Loki is Physical/Devil, D/L, and requires Zeus-Stratios and Mephisto with Dark/Dark/Light Jewels.

He got 2 TPA and 2 SBR, making him fairly flexible for Dark teams.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 03, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
Awoken Loki is Physical/Devil, D/L, and requires Zeus-Stratios and Mephisto with Dark/Dark/Light Jewels.

He got 2 TPA and 2 SBR, making him fairly flexible for Dark teams.

My reactions when i saw A.Loki:

D/L = "yes..."
2 SBR = "Yes!"
2 TPA = "OH GOD YES!!"
Physical/Devil = "FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo..............."

I was sooo hoping for him to get Attacker......  :fail:
Well, at least he is a terrific sub for Ronia
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dorakyura on November 03, 2015, 02:55:41 PM
He got 2 TPA and 2 SBR, making him fairly flexible for Dark teams.

2 TPA, 2 ROWS and 2 SBR, Really strong. You could add him into teams together with all the other tpas+rows Dark like Persephone, AHades, Claire, BeachPandora, Zuoh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 03, 2015, 03:20:05 PM
Loki being physical/devil may have just permanently sold me on focusing on dark for my next big team.  I really want to get use out of batman.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 03, 2015, 04:27:30 PM
Oh I was hoping for D/L Loki so I could use him on RaDragon

He's still not a god, but I get 100% SBR on top of a boost that works on most of the team so maybe it could work for arena?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 03, 2015, 05:16:25 PM
well excuse me for being terrible

says mr. 8 avg combo ;o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 03, 2015, 05:18:56 PM
RaDra is basically cheating though :derp:

I can shift an orb, check the news, grab a drink, then come back and still have enough time to completely solve the board
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 03, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
Decided to roll once in the godfest just to avoid regretting it later.....

I HAVE NO REGRETS!  Kushinadahime  :D

Decided to tackle FF Mythical with RoBu.....

I have a few regrets, namely the 2 stones i had to burn to clear it  :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 03, 2015, 06:04:36 PM
Decided to roll once in the godfest just to avoid regretting it later.....

I HAVE NO REGRETS!  Kushinadahime  :D

Decided to tackle FF Mythical with RoBu.....

I have a few regrets, namely the 2 stones i had to burn to clear it  :fail:
FF Mythical is no joke, trust me.   It's not for the faint of heart.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2015, 06:37:08 PM
I accidentally S-ranked Final Fantasy clearing it with Ra for the stone. It may very well be tough for most teams, but if you have a large-multiplier burst team, use that. The dungeon has no tricks whatsoever to prevent you from just steamrolling everything with a big multiplier. No pre-emptives, no resolve, nothing with especially good defense or HP. Just weird-looking monsters standing there waiting to get splattered. To be clear I'm not saying it's easy or that anyone having trouble with it sucks, just that it's vrry exploitable with a certain kind of team.

Am I remembering that Sumire's leader skill also triggers rows in 5x4s? Is she good for those? She seems like she might be too orb-hungry for me normally, but I may max her for that.

I'm working on Halloween Kali right now, and how does this team look?

HKali/WKali/WKali/WMetatron/Izanagi/HKali

I feel bad about all the wasted skillboosts and am slightly concerned about the lack of heartmaker or delay on a team that I'll probably want to do some stalling with, but it's pretty buff and the damage should be solid.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 03, 2015, 07:33:26 PM
I accidentally S-ranked Final Fantasy clearing it with Ra for the stone. It may very well be tough for most teams, but if you have a large-multiplier burst team, use that. The dungeon has no tricks whatsoever to prevent you from just steamrolling everything with a big multiplier. No pre-emptives, no resolve, nothing with especially good defense or HP. Just weird-looking monsters standing there waiting to get splattered. To be clear I'm not saying it's easy or that anyone having trouble with it sucks, just that it's vrry exploitable with a certain kind of team.

Am I remembering that Sumire's leader skill also triggers rows in 5x4s? Is she good for those? She seems like she might be too orb-hungry for me normally, but I may max her for that.

I'm working on Halloween Kali right now, and how does this team look?

HKali/WKali/WKali/WMetatron/Izanagi/HKali

I feel bad about all the wasted skillboosts and am slightly concerned about the lack of heartmaker or delay on a team that I'll probably want to do some stalling with, but it's pretty buff and the damage should be solid.
Yes, Sumire DOES trigger rows in 5x4s!  I almost beat 5x4 EC with her unevo'd/unleveled(I think I got to like Ceres or something) because of that silliness, actually.  I just need her skilled and some faster orb changes and I might revisit it someday way later in fact.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 03, 2015, 10:00:45 PM
Hera Challenge complete. Cost me a stone for stam to keep trying Hera Rush (Fuck you, fatty, and your Osiris blocking ways), but I got my stone back and have enough snow globe exp to max out Yomi Dragon as soon as I get her. >:D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 03, 2015, 10:25:28 PM
Wow Hera Beorc is a huge pain for Ra Dragon because of her light absorb. Stalling for 10 turns is easy, but if you accidentally skyfall 144x you will instantly lose (unless you have the full Arena team with latents designed to survive 30k hits)

Luckily any delay/shield or running Awoken Ra friend solves that issue easily but still RIP 149 stamina...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 03, 2015, 10:28:13 PM
The more I think about it the more I'm convincing myself that Snow White is a legit Halloween Kali sub in the Metatron slot of the team I posted earlier. I lose Metatron actually being able to do damage for a short-cooldown heartmaker to help with stalling. Hmm...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 03, 2015, 11:37:40 PM
BTW anyone who needs another A Ammy friend, this person, Cobb, has a hyper sonic one:

354,995,219
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 04, 2015, 01:11:28 AM
BTW anyone who needs another A Ammy friend, this person, Cobb, has a hyper sonic one:

354,995,219
Does she make the screen flash and have enemies spontaneously explode?

Wait, who am I kidding, that IS what AAmmy does.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dr Rawr on November 04, 2015, 02:20:01 AM
yea i roll with awoken ammy 323 743 297 hyper maxed or what ever we call it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 04, 2015, 04:54:26 AM
"Okay FF collab, let's blow all my stones on you!"

*endless torrent of aces and wols*

"Okay fuck this, the rest go to the godfest"

*Tsubaki, Urd*

The moral of the story is never roll on collabs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 04, 2015, 05:20:20 AM
I think if GH wants people to more than yolo on the collabs more, they need to continually upgrade them like the regular pantheon gods.

The pattern is clear now:  Pantheons get continual upgrades, special gods get an ult and then are left to rot, and collabs are what you see is what you get unless the jp fanbase throws a fit (DBZ)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2015, 05:24:14 AM
I think if GH wants people to more than yolo on the collabs more, they need to continually upgrade them like the regular pantheon gods.

The pattern is clear now:  Pantheons get continual upgrades, special gods get an ult and then are left to rot, and collabs are what you see is what you get unless the jp fanbase throws a fit (DBZ)

Hey, Eva got upgrades. Not "way better versions of already-high-tier stuff" level upgrades like Fist Of The North Star, but still plenty nice.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 04, 2015, 07:33:29 AM
Doing a little bit of research via stamina expenditure: 1.5x drops on FF collab does not mean 100% drops on non-Kefka floors if you're running Master or lower. 2x drops might be different, but for 1.5x it's Legend or higher for guarantees.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 04, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
"Okay FF collab, let's blow all my stones on you!"

*endless torrent of aces and wols*

"Okay fuck this, the rest go to the godfest"

*Tsubaki, Urd*

The moral of the story is never roll on collabs.

I feel you. I rolled 3 times in godfest and got Sumire. Took me 8 rolls in FF to get a gold last night (Squall). Should have just been content with Yunie as my first roll.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2015, 01:54:32 PM
Alright, I fed Halloween Kali all four of the spare Angelits I had around and two spare blue snowglobes, and from that she got one skillup and max experience. So now she needs five awakenings, four skillups (probably to be carried out via Badpy, since I don't feel like farming Friday Dungeon), and 281 more +eggs. Let's see how fast I can do this without stoning.

Meanwhile, I need one more Dub-Rubylit to make Awoken Susano. He'll need some Tamadras that I don't have as well, but at least I can skillmax him right away (and conveniently reclaim a lot of box space in the process).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 04, 2015, 02:06:45 PM
Tamadra guerillas tomorrow, for what it's worth.

Star Vault today as well, but who cares about that with 10x on the horizon?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Unless my Tamadras are early tomorrow I have to pass, since 3x normals starts and that's more time-sensitive.

Who cares about Star Vault? I do given that I have nothing better to do today. Not enough to stone or anything, but I'll put a full stamina bar in it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 04, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
"Okay FF collab, let's blow all my stones on you!"

*endless torrent of aces and wols*

"Okay fuck this, the rest go to the godfest"

*Tsubaki, Urd*

The moral of the story is never roll on collabs.

i wonder if they just nerfed the rem when we got it or something

people are reporting a -lot- of bad rolls for some reason
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 04, 2015, 06:38:49 PM
and apparently just failed to get Cloud of Darkness to drop on Legend

Mythical or bust? ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 04, 2015, 06:40:50 PM
i wonder if they just nerfed the rem when we got it or something

people are reporting a -lot- of bad rolls for some reason

Yeah.  I remember people saying the JP REM had pretty good rates?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 04, 2015, 06:42:36 PM
How is it possible that with all the people working for PAD not a single one of them noticed that a skill-up material that might drop from an invade is utterly RETARDED??!?

What, no i'm not pissed about Sephiroth's skill-up, what gave you the idea? And certainly i'm not annoyed by the fact that i have lots of pys for every color EXCEPT DARK..... :X
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 04, 2015, 06:45:46 PM
They still think evolving skillups are a good idea.  I think that explains a good deal right there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2015, 06:57:26 PM
How is it possible that with all the people working for PAD not a single one of them noticed that a skill-up material that might drop from an invade is utterly RETARDED??!?

What, no i'm not pissed about Sephiroth's skill-up, what gave you the idea? And certainly i'm not annoyed by the fact that i have lots of pys for every color EXCEPT DARK..... :X

Hey, if it bothers you just assume that there are no skillups and wait to get Piis. Recall that we just got DC collab back and still had no skillups for anything, so this is at least marginally better than that. I don't think it's really reasonable to expect to skillmax anything off of collab invades, it's way too hard, but you have an option to try to save a few Piis at the cost of running nothing but the collab for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 04, 2015, 07:11:31 PM
Yeah.  I remember people saying the JP REM had pretty good rates?

It took only like 10 or so rolls to get all of the golds in the rem sans seph, yeah. With dupe tidus.

I've also seen a lot of yolo golds though so it could just be you and matsy getting the iron shaft, tbh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 04, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
The worst part is that I'm still tempted to roll more just because I want Rinoa orz

the power of nostalgia is a strong one

EDIT: rolled 2 more

>Vivi3
>Rinoa

ok done
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 04, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
"I know I said I was gonna save, but maybe oooone more roll on FF wont hurt."

>expects silver for his poor control
>gets Squall

Ok yeah that will suffice.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 04, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
man I really want Indra so I can just farm Arena and say fuck you to all skillups
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 04, 2015, 08:56:02 PM
I don't think it's really reasonable to expect to skillmax anything off of collab invades, it's way too hard, but you have an option to try to save a few Piis at the cost of running nothing but the collab for a few weeks.

I had already decided that any Badpy i get would immediately go to Seph even before starting to farm the collab. I'm more annoyed at the stupidity of the luck-fest involved in his specific skill-up:

1) if you are lucky Gilgamesh invade
2) if you are lucky you drop the sword instead of Gilgamesh
3) if you are lucky you get a skill-up when you feed the sword

I won't try to calculate the actual probability of getting a skill-up from a run but it's damn close to ONE PERCENT, which is simply ridiculous.
I'll still farm the collab non-stop but it feels really frustrating....

The only saving grace is that the bgm is awesome, the enemies are awesome and, ironically enough, my Rinoa is already 2/3 on skillups :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 04, 2015, 09:15:33 PM
Yeah, it's too hard.  But the Superman skillup is 0% because it doesn't exist, so at the very least there's that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 05, 2015, 03:09:54 AM
Not quite at 8-combo tier yet, but I'm getting there.

(http://i.imgur.com/mWAlPGn.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 05, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
This deserves a double post: The rank requirement to create a Co-Op room has finally been reduced from 400 to 250.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 05, 2015, 12:08:13 PM
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-11-05-07-53-04_zpsa8gr5nwl.png)

*insert FF7's victory theme*  :D



(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-11-05-09-38-05_zpshk7bhehf.png)

.....remember Superman, remember Superman, remember Superman, remember Superman, remember Superman......  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 05, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Unless you've got other business sticking around that collab dungeon I suggest you go farm Badpys from alts. Probably a lot more lucrative in the long run. Sounds like the rates are about the same, but each dungeon is way cheaper so you can squeeze way more in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 05, 2015, 03:14:01 PM
Unless you've got other business sticking around that collab dungeon I suggest you go farm Badpys from alts. Probably a lot more lucrative in the long run. Sounds like the rates are about the same, but each dungeon is way cheaper so you can squeeze way more in.

Agree 100% on the badpys, i'm mainly sticking with the collab because it's also a reliable source of Rinoa and Kefka's skillups. It's not like my Sephiroth is already maxed and +297 so there is no hurry to maxskill him (now watch as i drop Masamune in the very next run and Seph goes 1/1 on skillups  :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dr Rawr on November 05, 2015, 03:38:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Qc9MlKL.jpg)

just no stoned ultimate god rush and cleared it for the first time  :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:03:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Qc9MlKL.jpg)

just no stoned ultimate god rush and cleared it for the first time  :toot:

:toot: how is that passive 15000+ regen?

My friend went 4/4 on FF gold eggs; Zidane, Yuna, Tidus, Tidus.
The jealously.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 05, 2015, 05:40:59 PM
Trying to learn Ra and the 6x7 board at the same time is exhausting.  I can't do this for very long at all
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 05, 2015, 06:07:50 PM
I ended up going for the Tamadra dungeon instead of +egg farming after all, since I had a lot of stamina and was going to rank up before it ran out. Max 'wakened Kalloween with two Baby Tamadras left over.

Still unsure whether I want to use Metatron or Sleeping Beauty on the final team, so I guess I should test both. That means I need more Tamadras for Sleeping Beauty. At least she's almost skillmax from feeding rando High Water Ninjas into her. I guess I should also budget even more Tamadras for B/W Izanagi while I'm at it.

Edit: Son of a bitch, I keep saying Sleeping Beauty when I mean Snow White. When I'm talking about Kalloween I mean Snow White. They are too similar.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 05, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
Honestly if you're not hurting for RCV I'd say that Snow White would be a better choice than Metatron due to higher HP and heartmaking skills on top of being able to clear binds.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 05, 2015, 09:33:05 PM
Yeah, my recovery is plenty acceptable with four hypermaxed healers (once Kalloween is done) and a modifier. The main draw to Metatron for me is that she's primary white and has at least some attack (Snow White's attack is aaaaaawful) so she'll be providing at least some damage. But it won't be a ton either way, so I think Snow White is probably the better choice. And certainly the cooler one.

Edit: Forgot that Kalloween is not actually healer, she's god/devil. Regardless, she has good recovery.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 06, 2015, 12:14:14 AM
I tried out uevo Hathor for a bit and I'm loving it.
4 Light OEs turned out to be real good since it's on the leader, and Hathor has low ATK anyways so leaving the damage output to the TPA-ers while boosting their base-atk is pretty legit.
Here are some testing I did with +99atk on Mini rose and hathor only.
(http://i.imgur.com/qQbKdJi.jpg)
6c with a non-enhanced light 4-orb combo

(http://i.imgur.com/5EWPXnD.jpg)
6c with a enhanced light 4-orb combo

I just had a new found appreciation for the OE awakening :V

I just threw all my saved plus eggs onto the team so now it's near full hyper maxed (4 297s and one in the 100s)
Lets see how I fare in Arena with her!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 06, 2015, 12:29:20 AM
You probably want Z&H somewhere in there for arena :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 06, 2015, 12:32:45 AM
You probably want Z&H somewhere in there for arena :derp:

Hathor leads comes with two 25% gravs by themselves :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 06, 2015, 01:26:31 AM
wow im dumb
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 06, 2015, 01:27:22 AM
Yooooooooo.

(http://i.imgur.com/huOi1FM.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 06, 2015, 01:34:39 AM
Can I haz Phoenix Rider from REM already? :(

Or at least Earth Dragon Swordman so I can do Devil Rush...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 06, 2015, 09:56:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/A2qWSsv.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/F8IGXYu.jpg)

Arena didn't go too well but the lastest c10 in JP has Kalis in it!
It goes Beelzebub->Uevo Goemon-> LKali/DKali
and I no-stoned it with Hathor! yay

Hathor's tanky enough to stall >10 turns on Goemon and 14 turns on lkali lol.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 06, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
One-shot challenge and Scarlet, why must you vex me? I just want to farm +eggs and I don't need any distractions!

Got Awoken Susano finally. With him my Verdandi team has 45362 HP now, up from... Much less than that.

And as an added bonus, while I was fetching the materials to un-evolve Susano I happened to get enough Rubylits to evolve an extra red fairy that I had laying around forever and got a skillup off of it. Rando hero god skillups are the best.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 06, 2015, 04:03:45 PM
Earlier this morning:

>Wake up and roll the Enhance Carnival PEM.

2 gold eggs, no surprise there...

>Extreme King Metal Dragon hatches from the first egg.

:getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 06, 2015, 04:31:57 PM
A reminder to anyone that hasn't started One-Shot Challenge yet, that you can use coin-boosting leaders to MASSIVELY increase the money you get from the first stage.

(http://i.imgur.com/VAK7E8a.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 06, 2015, 05:32:18 PM
Dang it challenge 6,why must you vex me?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 06, 2015, 07:09:09 PM
Earlier this morning:

>Wake up and roll the Enhance Carnival PEM.

2 gold eggs, no surprise there...

>Extreme King Metal Dragon hatches from the first egg.

:getdown:
Fave that thing; you wont be getting him the normal way for a while and as you might realize he is used in some top-shelf evolutions!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 07, 2015, 02:19:00 AM
Everyone start your engines

Your Scarlet Engines that is :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 07, 2015, 02:29:12 AM
Well, looks like I just can't beat Scarlet.

Gabriel can't burst Belial and then immediately burst another 3.6 million on the following turn. I maybe have a chance with a Blodin friend with very good orb rolls, but I didn't have great luck the first time and my one hypermax Blodin friend hasn't popped back up. Once again, if a good chunk of my team didn't have trash-tier awakenings and I could actually use skills on the first floor things would be completely different, but they do so they aren't.

Ra can't do it because Divine Queen Hera's pre-emptive still barely kills him even after an Izanami damage reduction. And if I bring Izanami she has to be replacing a white Kali, since I need black Kali to clear the bind on Sun Quan that I get from Kraken, and if I do that my damage is hilariously low. I guess I can just cross my fingers to get Dancing Queen Hera, but that seems like a bitch strategy. If my team doesn't work it doesn't work, and if I'm going to cheat by constantly rerolling the dungeon I might as well just cheat by using a continue, and I'm not going to do that.

Kalloween can't do it because her levels will always be hilariously low due to how the level up dungeons work, which will make stalling (the one thing she's good for over Ra) completely impractical. And I suspect her damage is way, way too low to kill Scarlet in a timely fashion anyway.

Fuck me I guess. Good luck/good job to everyone who's working on/clears it, but unless I think of a better plan I give up. I just lost 200 stamina I could have used to do something practical figuring out that nothing I have is good enough, so I basically wasted an entire day I could have spent farming +eggs. Yaaaay?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 07, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
RNG, this comes straight from the deep of my heart......... FUCK YOU

I know i shouldn't get angry at a mere videogame, i know that sometimes you simply are unlucky but what just happened goes well beyond what i'm willing to let pass.

One-shot challenge lv6.
Verdandi - Liuuu Bei - GZL - Marine Rider - God Canopus - commandercool's hypermaxed Verdandi (my Verd and Liu Bei around lv 85, the entire team at half skill)

I clear the various floors burning 3/4 of my skills (killing Meimei after calculating i would survive her last hit with about 300hp left was quite nerve-wracking).
I actually reach DIza with about 10k hp, my GZL ready and 1 TURN to wait for CCool's Verdandi. I think "It's perfect, chip her a bit then Verd+GZL for the kill"

I make a 3-hit combo with 1 Wood TPA then....... SKYFALLS TURN MY ATTACK INTO A 10-HIT COMBO WITH 3 WOOD TPA, sending her under <50 and binding half of my team for 3 turns, just enough to let Despairing Lament + Fires of Deicide kill me.

To put it into perspective: i just skyfell over 3 MILLIONS of damage in literally the only place in the entire dungeon it would have screwed me. So yes, i'm pissed off as hell.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 07, 2015, 03:58:42 PM
"Awwww yeah got to the boss wave of Scarlet using Zaerogoo
Just need 9 or so dark orbs and some skyfall luck with Byakko and this should be a win"

gets 5 dark orbs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 07, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
Why is she a broad-minded demon?  The boss dialogue makes it look like she's lazy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 07, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
Why is she a broad-minded demon?  The boss dialogue makes it look like she's lazy

A quick search seems to say it means you're not easily offended or unbiased. It seems pretty hard to piss off someone that lazy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 07, 2015, 05:03:12 PM
Well, Broad-Minded certainly sounds better than "Lazy Hell Demon, Scarlet".

At least they didn't give her a super chuuni name like Extreme Black Beast's Chosen Broad-Minded & Lazy Hell Demon, ScarletΩ
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 07, 2015, 05:41:23 PM
No, no. That's her upcoming super ult form.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 07, 2015, 06:10:29 PM
Scarlets offering me a work out.

Good thing board RNG and screen slips are here to ruin it -instantly-.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 07, 2015, 06:11:38 PM
i think at the end of the day, a team of six hypermax Scarlet is as lazy as it gets

"Six of a Kind, Scarlet Engine"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 07, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Unlike the Halloween dungeon, +egg rates in FF seem pretty terrible
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 08, 2015, 01:17:08 AM
Hera Challenge COMPLETE!

Minus me failing at Ur a couple of times everything kinda just fell over.  Stone get, now to work on the One Shot Challenges a bit then I...guess farm plusses?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 08, 2015, 06:45:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ey7Zrrl.png)

anime tiddies were punched (This is JP Challenge Dungeon LV10 not Arena)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 08, 2015, 05:14:01 PM
Scarlet cleared

I thought this dungeon would be harder after watching people fail it numerous times on twitch :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 08, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
That is kind of what Ra dragon does lol

Welcome to ez mode
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 08, 2015, 06:39:58 PM
I saw someone fail a lot with Ra Dragon too :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 08, 2015, 09:43:52 PM
Mmm.

I miscalulated.

I...did not factor in Scarlet Binding leaders this entire time, I needed to be bringing Ame no Chokezume with me. Whoops.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 08, 2015, 11:06:18 PM
This team seems to be the definition of stupid. (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=2324.99.1.0.0.0.8..2321.99.1.0.0.0.5..1848.99.1.0.0.0.6..1744.99.1.0.0.0.7..2082.99.1.0.0.0.7..2324.99.1.99.99.99.8)

...Especially since I can actually make it.

My Athena must be crying in the corner :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 08, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
This team seems to be the definition of stupid. (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=2324.99.1.0.0.0.8..2321.99.1.0.0.0.5..1848.99.1.0.0.0.6..1744.99.1.0.0.0.7..2082.99.1.0.0.0.7..2324.99.1.99.99.99.8)

...Especially since I can actually make it.

My Athena must be crying in the corner :V

The HP is atrocious, unsurprisingly for a healer team. That seems like it makes Amaterasu's autoheal a lot less useful. With RCV that high will it even do anything? You should be able to heal up from any hit that doesn't kill you relatively easily anyway, right? I haven't use Awoken Amaterasu a ton, but I think her biggest potential might be in pairing with a 2x HP lead, possibly Raphael or even Himi Udon. On a default healer team with two Amaterasu leads it seems like a lot of endgame attacks will just kill you, so the recovery doesn't even come into play much of the time. But I haven't used her extensively, so I could be wrong. What do you think?

On another note, I notice you don't have a damage enhance or a delay. What's Amaterasu's average burst damage with just orbchangers? Can she do ~3-4 million unenhanced? Ganesha definitely helps a lot with that if you can find a place to stall him up (and that might actually be hard on a lot of harder dungeons with your horrible HP), but if you need to kill multiple consecutive bosses without getting hit can you do it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 08, 2015, 11:37:56 PM
The HP may be atrocious, yes, but that is compounded by the fact that this setup gives me a whopping 16k autoheal - literally what doesn't kill me outright will just be shrugged off.

Ganesha is there specifically to tank stupidly big hits, and the massive HP deficit can be rectified (to a point) with plus eggs. This team's major weakness is probably just its burst potential, but with everyone and their mother having at least one TPA damage shouldn't be lacking in the slightest - I suppose the strategy would be much like a stall team's, only infinitely faster since the multiplier isn't complete ass.

That said, maybe running UVO'd Raphael would probably be better, if not for the fact that he is a row-based monster with an absolutely ass active in a team that is largely TPA-based. Let's also not forget that the highest possible multiplier with a Raphael co-lead would be 5,4x and unlike the RGB archangels there is no Dragon Emperor for big bursts. Plus your autoheal falls to about 9,5k, which, although good, is not nearly as much as the 16k - especially when considering the fact that your now have double the health and a third of the damage, with no gravities and no Morning Stars.

...now that I think about it, Raphael really is the worst of the archangels, simply because he exists in a niche (light rows) which hasn't been really developed yet, even in that niche he isn't the best option and he doesn't have a big nuke like Lucifer nor does he have a Dragon Emperor like the RGB archangels.

Super Uvo Raphael when.

(Also, I think I saw someone clearing Hera Rush with a similar team not too long ago, so I'm pretty sure it can work with at least *some* lategame dungeons.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 08, 2015, 11:59:37 PM
I run a similar team regularly, and the 15k autoheal is amazing, it makes you immune to things that can't kill you in one hit.  You'll only have trouble in dungeons with multiple HP gate monsters or dungeons where you have to oneshot everything with Ra.  25k hp is a magic number in that regard, so some physical/healer types could come in handy when they make more of them. 

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 09, 2015, 01:46:07 AM
OTOH I can't beat Challenge 8 like I thought.  I can't be consistent enough with both Ra and Ammy. =(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2015, 02:36:44 AM
The HP may be atrocious, yes, but that is compounded by the fact that this setup gives me a whopping 16k autoheal - literally what doesn't kill me outright will just be shrugged off.

Right, but you've got two healing actives and great recovery, so how much more autoheal do you need? There's a certain point where it's just wasted. Not that that's the only thing Amaterasu does of course, she has all sorts of other upsides, but it's the most novel thing she does and I think it's best used with an HP mutliplier. Probably.

That said, maybe running UVO'd Raphael would probably be better, if not for the fact that he is a row-based monster with an absolutely ass active in a team that is largely TPA-based. Let's also not forget that the highest possible multiplier with a Raphael co-lead would be 5,4x and unlike the RGB archangels there is no Dragon Emperor for big bursts. Plus your autoheal falls to about 9,5k, which, although good, is not nearly as much as the 16k - especially when considering the fact that your now have double the health and a third of the damage, with no gravities and no Morning Stars.

Not wrong at all. Although keep in mind that a Dragon Emperor also only works coming at this team from the Archangel side anyway. You can't force your friend lead to swap, so if you had one you would still be swapping it with Amaterasu.

I don't think you need a Dragon Emperor if your stalling power is good enough. You can just tank hits all the way down and slowly chip some enemies rather than bursting them. Sometimes that isn't viable obviously, but Ganesha would be useful in those situations.

...now that I think about it, Raphael really is the worst of the archangels, simply because he exists in a niche (light rows) which hasn't been really developed yet, even in that niche he isn't the best option and he doesn't have a big nuke like Lucifer nor does he have a Dragon Emperor like the RGB archangels.

Yup, and best case scenario his active is still pretty dubious. He is not good. Is there a better 2/2/0 option in white? I can't think of one, but I could be forgetting something.

Super Uvo Raphael when.

Soon, I imagine, since Michael is getting one.

(Also, I think I saw someone clearing Hera Rush with a similar team not too long ago, so I'm pretty sure it can work with at least *some* lategame dungeons.)

How much HP did it have? I'm kind of curious.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 09, 2015, 06:31:51 AM
...now that I think about it, Raphael really is the worst of the archangels, simply because he exists in a niche (light rows) which hasn't been really developed yet, even in that niche he isn't the best option and he doesn't have a big nuke like Lucifer nor does he have a Dragon Emperor like the RGB archangels.

>Light rows hasn't been developed yet

>Saria, Awoken Thor, Cloud, Ilm

sure
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 09, 2015, 06:47:07 AM
>Light rows hasn't been developed yet

>Saria, Awoken Thor, Cloud, Ilm

sure
To be fair, only one of those is a "normal" card.  Two of em are GFEs, and one's a rare collab gold, so it's easy to forget about em when pull rate is likely abysmal at the best of times.

Doesn't discount their existence, mind, but it's a thought.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 09, 2015, 07:08:58 AM

Doesn't discount their existence, mind, but it's a thought.

It's still delusional to say that light rows hasn't gotten much attention when rows in general has been getting a lot of love. Not just light rows, but also green rows, basically the only thing stopping green rows from gaining more traction than it is currently getting is the lack of a stable green row lead that isn't Perseus (no, Ishida is not stable, he requires actives to do damage).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 09, 2015, 07:21:34 AM
like between Freyja, Artemis, and Perseus you got some crazy stuff going on there
The bad thing is that neither Artemis nor Perseus convert anything from Genbu boards, and Awoken Meimei is all TPAs anyways

Ceres can cleric it up if need be. Parvati... is TPAs. Liu Bei has a row technically and can convert from G/L Meimei. Vishnu is all TPAs...

Michael is pretty cool. I'd consider him with G/L Meimei all day. GGY can be useful I guess. If you have any orb enhancers around, you can consider Zeus Dios as a x2.8 kill option.

Green row lead where

Light rows has Superman and LZL as well, right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 09, 2015, 07:26:53 AM
Quote from: people
raphael is not that good and light rows are butt

Quote from:  
Challenge Dungeons! 1 by win8x

(http://i.imgur.com/TMTDxwJ.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/z0R4CUq.png)

plz guys are you even trying

venus and wukong are beast too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 09, 2015, 07:32:29 AM

Green row lead where


JP actually has Gon but that's JP so I decided not to talk about him
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 09, 2015, 09:01:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vkuuFAIl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/vkuuFAI.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tGnU6Dal.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tGnU6Da.jpg)

tonight on "how the heck did this work"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 09, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
I'm, uh, thoroughly stumped on Challenge 8. With the exception of Kirin (whom I must find a Santa Kirin to pair with), none of my teams have enough bulk to survive or +investment to survive more than two turns against Twinlits.
I can't use Zaerogoo x ??? because flipping Raphael, or any dark primary team.

The only shot I had at just punching through everything with a non LD team would be with Yamato Takeru, but I would have to deuvo my Takeru because no dupes is awful

Edit: Today sucks less  (http://imgur.com/IpRSfRW)

Would Ariel/Kiriko/Valk/Cloud/???/Ariel be acceptable when Ariel's tripledongs come out? I'm thinking Himi Udon for Attacker typing with Physical HP and autoheal for days, Arthur for yet another orb change, or Athena because Athena.

With the amount of fixed orb changes, I could probably fit Leilan or Meimei on there with no regrets as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dorakyura on November 09, 2015, 12:42:41 PM
The only shot I had at just punching through everything with a non LD team would be with Yamato Takeru, but I would have to deuvo my Takeru because no dupes is awful

Remember, you could pair Takeru with a Shiva Dragon Friend
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 09, 2015, 12:53:12 PM
Remember, you could pair Takeru with a Shiva Dragon Friend

My Takeru team features Theurgia, Kiriko, Chiyome, Awoken Leilan, Wizard Laila, and Belial

essentially, gods do not exist

I thought about Shivadora X Awoken Shiva though. But fire/God isn't really a thing that I have a lot of compared to just "Fire/whatever"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 09, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
JP actually has Gon but that's JP so I decided not to talk about him

Currently waiting on that ult Sonia :V

You know, it might be unorthodox, but looking about what's been done so far, how about leading with Micheal. More rows than Raph who's been able to do work. Works with Mei, Throw in Awoken Freyja and I think you have something pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 09, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
i can actually farm zaerog8 now o/

the only threat is the chance of my finger slipping off the phone...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 09, 2015, 06:48:36 PM
I think my Kalloween team might actually have too many Kalis. I know "too many Kalis" is blasphemy, but given that I can stall I don't think I'll need them to burst consecutively that often. They still have great stats and awakenings (sans wasted skillboosts) though and a lot of my +eggs are in them, but I don't think I really need that many of her active in this case.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 09, 2015, 09:32:43 PM
hey uh how do you all go about FF skillup farming? I'm trying to nickel and dime my stamina by running the 45 version but I dunno how the drops break down.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 09, 2015, 10:30:45 PM
hey uh how do you all go about FF skillup farming? I'm trying to nickel and dime my stamina by running the 45 version but I dunno how the drops break down.
._.

By forgetting I have Squall and much less importantly Zidane to skill up and ignoring it entirely.

OTL
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 09, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
well now i'm sure cloud can wait for pys

cause getting kefka drops instead of buster swords sucks
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 10, 2015, 01:13:19 AM
just wait until the collab ends and if he's not done by then, then its py time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 10, 2015, 03:48:47 AM
break from FF dungeon

I, uh, didn't realize invades could happen when my entire team was level 1. (http://imgur.com/YqYs9HI)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 10, 2015, 05:20:34 AM
0/7 on zerobutt

whatever just one more clear for the full awakening and then i'll evo him and throw him into the never use bin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 10, 2015, 05:32:58 AM
Finally got around to breaking from +egg farming to do some One-Shot Challenge. I would've just skipped it but I didn't realize at first that it gave a million free stones. Cleared up through six, plan on doing seven whenever I rank up next and have some spare stamina. Should probably be able to do eight with something like Ra/WKali/HKali/BKali/Sun Quan/Sakuya or similar but I'm not sure if I'm going to take the stamina to try. Especially since I've gotten my last choice for every variable floor so far, which means I would probably just get another Bubpy I have no use for from eight. Don't even want to try nine, not sure what I would even use.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 10, 2015, 11:24:47 PM
Let's talk about Typhon, shall we?

I've been kicking mine about recently and the playstyle is pretty interesting.  I assume focusing on dark rows +heart gen is the best strategy in general for him; doing so gives him access to quite a nice sub pool, some of which I have.  His ideal sub appears to be Mitsuhide, who combined with Typhon makes a board entirely dark/hearts; he comes with two row enhances to boot.

But since I lack a Mitsuhide, pairing DKali with Pandora would appear to suffice.  DMeta seems like a no-brainer as well, which leaves Asmodeus for extra board change and much-needed RCV, or Batman+Disruptor for delay?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2015, 12:16:10 AM
Typhon is one of those newer cards (relatively) that I have mentally filed under " ???". He's too different from anything I'm used to playing.

That said, I've been hesitant to try anything like him because I have the impression that they're too orb-hungry to be able to activate consistently, but too frail to be able to stall up the skills that they'll likely need to get good damage. That might be completely off-base, and Typhon has more flexible activation options than some, so he might be able to sweep easy floors consecutively without skills.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 11, 2015, 12:17:36 AM
I sure hope you pulled Halloween Thoth and Sopdet. I think they're pretty ace for Typhon.

(because what Mitsuhide >:()
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 11, 2015, 12:50:32 AM
I sure hope you pulled Halloween Thoth and Sopdet. I think they're pretty ace for Typhon.

I did.  And I didn't even consider using them.  Stupid me :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2015, 01:32:50 AM
plz guys are you even trying

venus and wukong are beast too

Missed this the first time, so addressing it now.

Raphael is the worst Archangel. I stand by that. But all of the other Archangels are excellent, so I'm sure he can still get shit done. His active is just worse than the others, even if his awakenings are better.

I love Venus and Wukong. A Wukong team centered around Venus is the next team I'm working on. I don't have a problem with white rows at all, largely because Venus exists and kicks ass. Worth noting though that I couldn't figure out how to get Raphael on said Wukong team because his active is too sketchy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 01:47:44 AM
I love Venus and Wukong. A Wukong team centered around Venus is the next team I'm working on. I don't have a problem with white rows at all, largely because Venus exists and kicks ass. Worth noting though that I couldn't figure out how to get Raphael on said Wukong team because his active is too sketchy.

raph is also pretty much impossible to skill up now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 11, 2015, 01:48:53 AM
Missed this the first time, so addressing it now.

Raphael is the worst Archangel. I stand by that. But all of the other Archangels are excellent, so I'm sure he can still get shit done. His active is just worse than the others, even if his awakenings are better.

I love Venus and Wukong. A Wukong team centered around Venus is the next team I'm working on. I don't have a problem with white rows at all, largely because Venus exists and kicks ass. Worth noting though that I couldn't figure out how to get Raphael on said Wukong team because his active is too sketchy.

I dunno, as a lead, his additional rows give him more burst, especially when you're packing an enhance. They could afford to buff his active a bit though. Sonias got theirs buffed after all.

raph is also pretty much impossible to skill up now

I gave up waiting for Anglits to rotate back to him and blew them on Kanna. Why do Kalis need two rotations anyway?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 01:51:28 AM
I gave up waiting for Anglits to rotate back to him and blew them on Kanna. Why do Kalis need two rotations anyway?

In the most recent buff, the pre-ult DMetas got their AS changed to be the same as the UVO DMeta. For a long time, Devilit skilled up pre-ult DMeta before the whole skill up rotation thing became... well, a thing.

Suffice to say, Angelits are probably never going to skill up Raph again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 02:19:11 AM
Why do Kalis need two rotations anyway?

Because this is all the top tierlist drones are about, and therefore it would be a wise marketing move to cater to them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 03:49:57 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/664287589847830530

don't you just find it amazing that this guy shows up right as we talk about him?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 03:50:31 AM
"yo what is up fuccbois I heard you were talking shit about me"

(http://i.imgur.com/zdDSRlT.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 11, 2015, 04:10:26 AM
In the most recent buff, the pre-ult DMetas got their AS changed to be the same as the UVO DMeta. For a long time, Devilit skilled up pre-ult DMeta before the whole skill up rotation thing became... well, a thing.

Suffice to say, Angelits are probably never going to skill up Raph again.

I wish they'd outright say it then. Couldn't sell them in case they rotate to him again. I wonder if he'll get new skillups with the ult.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 11, 2015, 04:10:50 AM
Okay, that art is fucking amazing.

I need to know stats though, if he gets any less than an active buff and at least one more row it's gonna be really hard to justify putting him in light row teams.

Also, archangel of healing apparently plays with cubes... and has a sort of water tank for a forehead? Was that in his regular uvo art? rofl
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2015, 04:15:53 AM
Husbando makeover when? (Actually it looks like the new Angel art is pretty much the old designs redrawn, so he probably won't get much of a makeover. Which is all good as far as I'm concerned. New pose when though?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 04:17:37 AM

Also, archangel of healing apparently plays with cubes... and has a sort of water tank for a forehead? Was that in his regular uvo art? rofl

http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1256

the translucent thing used to be covered by gold plating in the regular uvo

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/664372633941577728

Yo fuccbois Raphael has 5 light rows and his AS has 2 turns of 100% damage block
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 11, 2015, 10:02:20 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/664372633941577728

Yo fuccbois Raphael has 5 light rows and his AS has 2 turns of 100% damage block

That's... one way to do it, I suppose.

Holy shit five rows? What the fuck? We barely just got quad row monsters and now we getting a five?

I would call this Juggler creep but I'm pretty sure even Juggle is weeping at this point.

Also fucking RIP Ganesha, holy shit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 11, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
wtf man

Make all the angels that good, dammit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
This went about as well was I expected it to.

(http://i.imgur.com/75sVfee.png) (http://i.imgur.com/U4YzdZG.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7FBDXWo.png) (http://i.imgur.com/HvmJO6b.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 12:13:28 PM
wtf man

Make all the angels that good, dammit

Michael's super ult is already very good; 3 green rows while generate green + enhanced hearts.

Even though Raphael has 5 goddamn rows, his AS still doesn't generate any ammo for you unless you use a heartbreaker, and there aren't many Light heartbreakers that also have rows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 12:24:58 PM
Michael's super ult is already very good; 3 green rows while generate green + enhanced hearts.

Even though Raphael has 5 goddamn rows, his AS still doesn't generate any ammo for you unless you use a heartbreaker, and there aren't many Light heartbreakers that also have rows.

I think even Valk would work because two Raphs is already 10. Use Awoken Venus for 13 + have the whole board enhanced. Apollo would be a slower option for more rows, but the million dollar question is "how obscene do we need the row count to get"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 11, 2015, 12:41:39 PM
Um.  Holy crap. Raphael, CALM THE HECK DOWN.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 12:41:52 PM
I think even Valk would work because two Raphs is already 10. Use Awoken Venus for 13 + have the whole board enhanced. Apollo would be a slower option for more rows, but the million dollar question is "how obscene do we need the row count to get"

I would suggest PADBT Valk instead because she does have a row, but she's JP-only unfortunately.

Regular Valk would probably work I guess but running Shiva Dragon since his release has taught me that there's no such thing as too many rows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 11, 2015, 01:12:50 PM
lmao i was just thinking man they need to give ralph at least like 4 rows for anyone to give a fuck

but then he also got TWO TURNS INVINCIBILITY????

holy shit I... I don't think I need indra anymore

I'm so glad I didnt sell him

(well he still only has one SBR and I need two but 80% is not bad and he has way more rcv to stall out skill binds)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 01:22:02 PM
Poor as fuk? Only have Raphael?

Don't worry - now even scrubs like you can get a team with 15 rows.

(http://i.imgur.com/qvrjamn.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2015, 01:37:02 PM
EDIT:

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/664372633941577728

Yo fuccbois Raphael has 5 light rows and his AS has 2 turns of 100% damage block

Wait what.

Okay, now I excpect big, huge things from Gabriel.

Looks like Raphael has a place on my Wukong team after all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 02:01:40 PM
Looks like Raphael has a place on my Wukong team after all.

(http://i.imgur.com/s7RTolq.png)

I'm mulling over it...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
Wait what.

Okay, now I excpect big, huge things from Gabriel.

Looks like Raphael has a place on my Wukong team after all.

Don't sub Raphael. His full potential is wasted. Use him with a lead with a Saria friend or something to keep the 4x HP, but be able to do bone-crunching damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 11, 2015, 02:20:32 PM
oh wow he's even healer so Awoken Ama finally gets a good shield + row sub all in one
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
Don't sub Raphael. His full potential is wasted. Use him with a lead with a Saria friend or something to keep the 4x HP, but be able to do bone-crunching damage.

I'm not sure about bone-crunching damage. You would get x4.875 if you ran Raphael with Saria or Awoken Thor and used Active Skill. The damage would be about the same as if you subbed Raphael in a higher multiplier team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
Don't sub Raphael. His full potential is wasted. Use him with a lead with a Saria friend or something to keep the 4x HP, but be able to do bone-crunching damage.

I could even see double Raphaels being a thing. But I'm hesitant to run a second Archangel lead, especially since he's potentially* infinibetter than Gabe now thanks to Gungho's policy of going out of their way to make white and black stuff strictly better than colored stuff.

*I recognize that there are a lot of factors that go into that, but let me be alarmist here for a minute, at least until we see Gabriel's awakenings.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 02:34:40 PM
I'm not sure about bone-crunching damage. You would get x4.875 if you ran Raphael with Saria or Awoken Thor and used Active Skill. The damage would be about the same as if you subbed Raphael in a higher multiplier team.

But the HP would not. 4/something/2 is pretty stable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 11, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
more like 2INFINITY/something/lol30heartorbs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 11, 2015, 02:45:18 PM
But the HP would not. 4/something/2 is pretty stable.

Saria + Awoken Thor is 2/10.5626/2.5 which is a much better balance. And x6.25 without using an active, which is the same as Ronia+Beelzebub.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 11, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
HOLY..... 5 rows were already shocking but TWO turns of invincibility?!?  :o

Raphael will laugh at any huge preemptive (not on first floor) and status shield, and finally he actually can be used for full heal + refresh board.

EDIT: you know, someone should start tying up rdj as a precaution.... i honestly have no idea how they plan to buff Lucifer but it must be something terrifying (now watch as he get a 1M nuke every 10 turns :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dorakyura on November 11, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
there aren't many Light heartbreakers that also have rows

Apollo has 2 rows  :derp: but yeah jp-special-valk works too I guess.
You team looks neat.

I wonder when Nephthys comes :( (last but not least?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 11, 2015, 04:30:50 PM
oh wow he's even healer so Awoken Ama finally gets a good shield + row sub all in one

Also a non-Lkali board flush

Like
Holy. Shit.
Wtf is this op raphael is this real!?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 11, 2015, 05:06:29 PM
I hope twinlits shift back to skilling him up again

then I can max him and get rid of all these useless angelits all in one go
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 11, 2015, 05:34:08 PM
EVA might be coming back next week for NA, which means the buffs should arrive as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 11, 2015, 05:50:59 PM
EVA might be coming back next week for NA, which means the buffs should arrive as well.

Excellent. I'll be farming it nonstop for skillups. My long-long-long-term PAD goal is to get every Eva character hypermaxed and try to beat content with the lot of them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 11, 2015, 06:34:44 PM
welp time to skill up my other Isis and chibi Isis :V

and i guess Asuka too if we get the tama drops
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 11, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
the one time I try to play something that actually fits the meta and this happens

(http://i.imgur.com/6eoBylfl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6eoBylf.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 12:06:47 AM
I'm not sure if Swallowtail counts as meta :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 12, 2015, 01:40:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/FRqzmMD.png)

looks like awoken kagu+goemon does dumpster kerihime on legend
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 12, 2015, 06:49:46 AM
Just released in NA:

-Ult Verdandi
-Awoken Sakuya
-ult Noah
-super ult Kushi
-super ult U&Y
-L/D Izanagi split ult

Also:
-Draco Summoning Circle min/max cooldowns -1  (19->12)
-Same for Aubade Gaia and Grimoire Sphere
-Pirate GSonia and Motonari's skills also reduced max/min by 1 (19->14)
-U&Y skill reduced max CD (11->7)

-Light jewels now skill up Awoken Sakuya

-Medje now wants ult Osiris for his LS

-Awoken Horus LS buff is here (1.5x is now universal, not just God/Devils)

-L/G Sakuya gains 100 Atk because sure.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 12, 2015, 07:13:21 AM
All hail Kung Fu Bible Uriel (https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/664701818656571393)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
I have waited long enough.

(http://i.imgur.com/TS9H7s7.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/sBqzQvR.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Yukarin on November 12, 2015, 08:26:15 AM
tfw no Zhou Yu so I aint getting A.kirin right now but she will be added to my collection when Zhou Yu comes again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 12, 2015, 08:30:33 AM
I've, uh, been ready for a while. But I didn't have +297 and pys readily available for this Kirin.

Sucks to suck. I uvo'd Noah, at least.

I'll keep using Kirin #1 until I get the second one up to speed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 12, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HRITvSa.png)

G   D   R
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 12, 2015, 12:22:47 PM
hi, i made a new video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udGkr8VzD5M i hope it's amusing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2015, 12:37:34 PM
Oops I wasn't prepared for Verdandi. Gonna have to scramble for the mats and Tamadras to get her online.

Also didn't know we didn't have that Izanagi form yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 12, 2015, 01:30:42 PM
So Uriel learned Falcon Kick for his double ult? Also, Tennin buffs are always good. Make her Gon-level op Gungho. You know you want too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2015, 01:53:52 PM
Not increeeedibly happy to see that the colored angels are getting cookie-cutter ults whole the black and white ones are getting special ones. I know I shouldn't be surprised because they've been like that the whole time and I shouldn't complain because a buff is a buff, but it is a little disappointing.

Interesting to see how the typings on these guys are shaping up though. Gabriel basically confirmed God/Healer/Physical?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 12, 2015, 02:01:53 PM
Not increeeedibly happy to see that the colored angels are getting cookie-cutter ults whole the black and white ones are getting special ones. I know I shouldn't be surprised because they've been like that the whole time and I shouldn't complain because a buff is a buff, but it is a little disappointing.

The light and dark ones however NEED something special so that they can keep up with the current meta. The "cookie cutter" ults for the RGB Archangel 1.0 is fine because it builds on their strengths while making them stronger and more desirable in their particular niche (more damage-oriented compared to utility of Hero Gods awakening-wise)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 02:10:23 PM
this just in

no awakenings is still fucking stupid

that is all
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 12, 2015, 02:13:14 PM
Unless you consider which colors are being converted (RGB archangels only convert light and dark, which are the "unresisted" colors), the RGB archangels have objectively better active skills than the Heroes because of the heart enhance. That leads to either better healing, or less need to enhance orbs after a heartbreak.

I always considered that to be the reason why they had less Awoken skills than Heroes previously, but now they make really heavy hitting subs. Michael and Uriel got a flat 500 ATK boost, which alongside their three rows makes them far more capable of destruction than Heroes. As subs, rather.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2015, 02:24:36 PM
I don't know if anyone said this already, but apparently Eva ults are out today as well.

The light and dark ones however NEED something special so that they can keep up with the current meta. The "cookie cutter" ults for the RGB Archangel 1.0 is fine because it builds on their strengths while making them stronger and more desirable in their particular niche (more damage-oriented compared to utility of Hero Gods awakening-wise)

The content of the evolutions is not a problem at all for me. If you recall regarding Michael I said "This is way better than I was expecting, if Gabe is at least this good I'll be happy". And I am, this will be a huge boost, I was just hoping for more variety.

Those stat boosts are massive though, christ. If we assume they go by the usual weighting and that Gabriel does indeed gain Physical (maybe he'll get Attacker and also get 500 attack?) then we can expect to see him gain 1000 HP. Which is pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 12, 2015, 02:31:13 PM
"what the fuck u&y needs a fattie?  I don't want to waste one of those on th-"

*pulls fattie from pal egg machine*

Praise be.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 12, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
"what the fuck u&y needs a fattie?  I don't want to waste one of those on th-"

*pulls fattie from pal egg machine*

Praise be.
All super ults need one, so if you have stuff like archangels for when they get here or Kushi for NOW or anything, better prepare yourself!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 12, 2015, 02:49:09 PM
You know, despite having several other super uevos already, that somehow managed to completely slip my mind. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 03:44:39 PM
Yomi Dragon is now SS Rank :o I guess they finally found a consistent arena team with him

Unfortunately that team involves having TWO YomiDras so that's 600k MP lmao
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 12, 2015, 04:18:45 PM
Now with Kung-Fu Bible Uriel being a thing, my Uriel/Wangren (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1253.99.1.0.0.0.4..1225.99.1.0.0.0.3..2179.99.1.0.0.0.9..984.99.1.0.0.0.3..1099.99.1.0.0.0.3..2392.99.1.0.0.0.8) team seems to actually be a feasible thing since it has 10 rows.

The lack of skill boosts(only 5) kinda hurts though, only skills that will be up on turn one are Wangren and Gigas and that's if I actually skill up Wangren.

Still, 46k HP and 7.4k RCV is nothing to sneeze at, especially with 10 rows.

(Note: I love how the ass RCV on that team is getting carried exclusively by Echidna and Uriel :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
The lack of skill boosts(only 5) kinda hurts though, only skills that will be up on turn one are Wangren and Gigas and that's if I actually skill up Wangren.

Yup, that's one of Team Gabriel's biggest flaws. There are a surprising number of dungeons (probably like, three or something) that you just won't be able to do because of this. You might be able to stopgap it with bizarre subs like how I have to swap out Beyzul for black Metatron to farm Hera Rush, but I don't think I could do that without an assload of +eggs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
okay lv9 beat this time

Sonia Grand is literally the easiest part of the dungeon. she literally cannot kill me unless I knock her below 50% and then fail to active 11 times in a row lol

Py floor was the hardest because I was stubborn and wanted to stall through them rather than just using Awoken Ra friend ?_(ツ)_/?

The two dragons were just a matter of using DKali and not fucking up (which I did the first time >_>)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2015, 06:41:10 PM
Yomi Dragon is now SS Rank :o I guess they finally found a consistent arena team with him

Unfortunately that team involves having TWO YomiDras so that's 600k MP lmao

Why two? I mean, aren't there other things that would serve a similar purpose just as well?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
I guess cause with three of them you have a mini engine that gives you both dark orbs and heart orbs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2015, 07:10:22 PM
I suppose. I mean, I can kind of get a similar effect by throwing Satsuki in, even if she's not a God type and doesn't make hearts.

Meanwhile, I am realizing that ASaku's multipliers don't mean shit if I can't do better than 6 combo. I need to see some pro ASaku strats/builds so I can make her work better.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 07:23:05 PM
pro ASaku teams is the Dark build which is weird but works because Dark is OP and has way more time extends :V

Basically DKali, DIza, aYomi, and another DKali or Beach Claire or something

DKali > LKali because you get more time extends, bind immunity, and heal orbs

aYomi gives you 3 time extends plus his active makes it much easier to hit max combos for your big burst

DIza cause you're going dark so the more the merrier, otherwise you'd use aSusanoo for shielding
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2015, 07:32:46 PM
I get that, but at that rate I may as well be playing Ra, you know?

And yeah I'll get right on using DKali oh wait orz

AYomi I have tried though. Seems to work okay when I pull it off just right. As for DIza, I'm feeding the one I have to Yomi Dragon when she comes out orz

and she's the one I've managed to get a couple skillups on but it's all such a tremendous pain in the ass that I'd rather just use ASusan
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 07:45:11 PM
Well the dark kirin team is mostly geared towards arena anyways so yeah (and even then it's not that good lol)

For just general use Susanoo is fine, and if you don't want to farm Elia then aYomi + two Kalis or fat choco lol should still handle most things

If you plan on running Yomi Dra though why are you throwing away Diza? She's still a fine sub for both Yomi and YomiDra
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 12, 2015, 07:49:57 PM
If you plan on running Yomi Dra though why are you throwing away Diza? She's still a fine sub for both Yomi and YomiDra

Evo form requires a diza.

I would just farm up a new one if your current one is even remotely leveled or skilled, imo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
Mrr, I guess. I'm just bitter about how fucking ridiculous skilling Izanami up is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 08:01:13 PM
Is it? I skilled mine with the dark bowl dragon and it wasn't too bad...

Hell, Diza's own dungeon isn't even that hard now

Skilling up things that need evo mats is way worse imo

fucking angelits
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 12, 2015, 08:07:48 PM
I'm sorry I don't have good luck with skillups?

(read: every damn thing I've had to skillup without pys)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 12, 2015, 08:12:44 PM
well yeah skilling up things suck

but it just sounded like you were saying that diza in particular was a pain to skillup as opposed to in general :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 12, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
All the more reason to level up/evolve a spare one so you can keep your current one!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 12, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
Extremely preliminary experimentation seems to indicate that Armadel is actually better than GZL on my Verdandi team, at least for maximum burst damage. And this is still four orb enhances short of the final team. I also have much more HP, although less recovery by a little and fewer skillboosts. And I don't want to skill her uuuuup.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 12, 2015, 10:01:21 PM
Is it? I skilled mine with the dark bowl dragon and it wasn't too bad...

Hell, Diza's own dungeon isn't even that hard now

Skilling up things that need evo mats is way worse imo

fucking angelits

Hello, my name is Espadas and i plan to lead with Sephiroth...... :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 12, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
Hello, my name is Espadas and i plan to lead with Sephiroth...... :colonveeplusalpha:
Just farm Badpys.  The end.  (Though I guess you might as well run FF while it's here since it's also stupid good rank EXP)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 01:49:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ua1Guq6.png)

yeah uh gungho.

Also re: "Yomi Dragon is SS rank!! so good!!" yomi dragon's arena team doesn't have anything that isn't new in it so i have no clue why they rose the tier to SS rank, the only new Dark god that appear within the past 1 or 2 months was like, Castor. Awoken Loki has a good enhance for Yomi Dragon I guess though? He isn't God though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 01:52:42 AM
I'm guessing people kept tally of their success rates and eventually found that specific YomiDra team worked ~80% of the time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 02:54:05 AM
I'm guessing people kept tally of their success rates and eventually found that specific YomiDra team worked ~80% of the time

Maybe, but I never really trusted their tier lists anyway
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 13, 2015, 02:57:16 AM
I'm guessing people kept tally of their success rates and eventually found that specific YomiDra team worked ~80% of the time

I heard someone also say that reco popularized dark sakuya build and people basically just ate it up blindly.

Also could you put up isismom until tomorrow or whenever, I wanna mess around with something and I don't know anyone else with isismom
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 02:59:37 AM
Maybe, but I never really trusted their tier lists anyway
Eh imo the S rank leaders make sense

but the rest of the list is total jank

I heard someone also say that reco popularized dark sakuya build and people basically just ate it up blindly.

Also could you put up isismom until tomorrow or whenever, I wanna mess around with something and I don't know anyone else with isismom
she's always up bruh :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:16:34 AM
Eh imo the S rank leaders make sense

for example, Raoh uvo being lower than Shiva Dragon lol thats a lie
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 13, 2015, 03:18:53 AM
she's always up bruh :V

I dun see nut
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:21:08 AM
What? ShivaDra is an unconditional 5x while Raoh is conditional 4.5x...

I dun see nut
oh whoops i didnt see the mom part <_<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 13, 2015, 03:22:12 AM
What? ShivaDra is an unconditional 5x while Raoh is conditional 4.5x...
oh whoops i didnt see the mom part <_<

I think they're considering the existence of an active skill, alongside the HP boost instead of RCV.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:23:58 AM
I thought RCV boosts were better than HP?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:25:11 AM
What? ShivaDra is an unconditional 5x while Raoh is conditional 4.5x...

x2.25 HP boost is just as strong as x2.25 RCV boost, plus Raoh gets access to Ronia on top of being an orb changer himself.

He also has access to Awoken Freyr as an enhance who is a better sub than R/R (or R/L if you're hipster) Freyr for Shiva Dragon. Raoh is generally easier to build a team for. His lower multiplier compared to Shiva Dragon isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things given their row counts generally tend to be about the same.

I thought RCV boosts were better than HP?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-E3uGq_UM not always
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:29:29 AM
x2.25 HP boost is just as strong as x2.25 RCV boost, plus Raoh gets access to Ronia on top of being an orb changer himself.

He also has access to Awoken Freyr as an enhance who is a better sub than R/R (or R/L if you're hipster) Freyr for Shiva Dragon. Raoh is generally easier to build a team for. His lower multiplier compared to Shiva Dragon isn't a huge deal in the grand scheme of things given their row counts generally tend to be about the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF-E3uGq_UM not always
I'm not sure what the video was supposed to prove? Can't Shiva dragon do that dungeon just fine as well?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 13, 2015, 03:32:53 AM
nooot really because random DQ Hera gimps?

The HP also lets Raoh eat a hit from Scarlet, getting free red orbs from jammer in the process.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:36:01 AM
You can survive DQ if you have Mamiya

Being able to tank Scarlet for orbs is nice though I'll admit

I still don't see how this makes Raoh better than ShivaDra?

Unless you meant they should be even... but then why compare to ShivaDra you could have just said he should be S rank too :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:47:03 AM
Unless you meant they should be even... but then why compare to ShivaDra you could have just said he should be S rank too :derp:

I meant that they should be even.

Because their damage output in the grand scheme of things are actually pretty much on par. And they're both Red Row Leaders, which is why it is only logical to compare them together.

Also some people actually don't have Mamiya, and not everyone is actually willing to hypermax her, which is a requirement if you run ShivaDragon for DQ because her stats are actually shit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 03:50:18 AM
Okay yeah

But I guess I more meant the leaders who are in S rank mostly belong there


...okay actually maybe aAnubis is debatable too lol. He's good in 6x7 but outside of that he's actually pretty terrible

like watching paprika and reco play him live shows how bad he is. you literally have to get lucky to activate even if you match every board perfectly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:55:33 AM
But I guess I more meant the leaders who are in S rank mostly belong there

And I'm saying there are some leaders below S rank who could be S rank.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 04:00:09 AM
okay yeah youre right :V


omg now i kind of want to try to roll for Cloud

cause of all the hype
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 13, 2015, 05:10:16 AM
Kalloween is rocketing toward completion. 199 +eggs down, max level, max awoken, max skill. I might be able to finish her in time if I get lucky or drop 1-2 stones. Still need one skillup and one awakening on Snow White, to de-evolve Izanagi and get him into his new form, and get him four more awakenings and two skillups. Then the team will be done and I'll do... Something with it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 13, 2015, 07:23:13 AM
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

(http://i.imgur.com/hmvpr3j.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 13, 2015, 10:12:32 AM
u got

Nut-ered


Meanwhile

This morning's acquisition: danger cutie
(http://i.imgur.com/vqApxps.jpg)


I did Kouryu just to get a rainbow keeper for this oops
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 02:24:37 PM
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

(http://i.imgur.com/hmvpr3j.png)
should have got a light resist :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 13, 2015, 02:42:35 PM
should have got a light resist :V

Impossible! That shit's no awakenings.

Or was that the joke?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 02:44:01 PM
I thought that was endless corridors?

e: yeah c9 has a different background

and also Chirei already beat it and you cant redo it :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 13, 2015, 03:01:48 PM
Fair enuff.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
I thought that was endless corridors?

e: yeah c9 has a different background

and also Chirei already beat it and you cant redo it :V

floor 30 of XEC to be exact!

next time, chirei-kun.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 13, 2015, 03:10:42 PM
should have got a light resist :V

Wouldn't have helped. I died to Divine Star because my finger slipped. Completely underestimated the timing of it getting cold here this season.

To be fair though, this was my second attempt at it, and as you can see, it's more than doable with time... (or resetting for ZM Skyfall)

(http://i.imgur.com/FwZuxGP.png)

My Nut and Blodin also aren't maxskill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 13, 2015, 03:42:26 PM
Here's my heimdall clear video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkAOEpTgx1M)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 13, 2015, 04:27:55 PM
Here's my heimdall clear video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkAOEpTgx1M)
oh my god uriel's icon

everyone else is calm while he's just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


also wow that stage background is cool
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 13, 2015, 10:46:23 PM
Here's my heimdall clear video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkAOEpTgx1M)

Oh for the love of...!!! Ragnarok Online's BGM..... goddammit, it has been so long since i played that awesome game  :qq:

and it doesn't help that the (very cool) background reminds me of Umbala
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 14, 2015, 01:47:09 AM
oh my god uriel's icon

everyone else is calm while he's just AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

RAIDAAAAA KIIIIIIIIIIKKU
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 14, 2015, 03:16:39 AM
The long war is over.

(http://i.imgur.com/k64Dwmg.png) (http://i.imgur.com/FubgrgW.png) (http://i.imgur.com/DuvKguL.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 14, 2015, 03:23:18 AM
ugh this c10 am I supposed to use dual RaDra but get fucked by the pys, or use aRa for the pys but then get fucked by other stuff
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 14, 2015, 03:50:05 AM
ugh this c10 am I supposed to use dual RaDra but get fucked by the pys, or use aRa for the pys but then get fucked by other stuff
Does RaDra have room for ARa as situational sub to take them out?  I dunno how that team works, like if it needs all the slots filled a specific way or what, but...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 14, 2015, 03:51:35 AM
I use aRa as a friend

Unfortunately doing so hurts my RCV, damage, and forces me to use actives to hurt things

Also apparently I don't have enough damage to kill Athena if I do use aRa
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 14, 2015, 06:42:23 AM
So your best bet is to use RaDra as a friend and then either try to rcv through the piis...

...or just do an awoken-anubis level of damage to break through their defences.

One of the two.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 14, 2015, 07:10:31 AM
Hmm.....I'm tempted to give this game a try. What region is everyone playing on? Does the JP version come in English, or only the US one?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 14, 2015, 07:19:43 AM
USA and EU versions are the only ones in english, we mostly play in the USA version though (I believe Trance and Thaws are the only ones here that play in JP seriously).

To be fair the game isn't hard to understand, once you get used to the UI and stuff you can very safely play on the JP servers, especially with the aid of http://www.puzzledragonx.com (http://www.puzzledragonx.com) to translate the actually annoying stuff to understand (IE: Active and Leader abilities.)

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 14, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
To be fair the game isn't hard to understand, once you get used to the UI and stuff you can very safely play on the JP servers, especially with the aid of http://www.puzzledragonx.com (http://www.puzzledragonx.com) to translate the actually annoying stuff to understand (IE: Active and Leader abilities.)

pdx cheking is basically all you need from my experience but i've played this game for years so everything is mostly second nature

pad.skyozora to see what events are up is also useful
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 14, 2015, 08:29:52 AM
PAD's got a bit of a learning curve (consider it one of those "it takes a few minutes to learn and forever to master" kinda things) but once you get into a groove it's pretty great. Like already mentioned, PDX is a fantastic resource and a lot of us check it daily.


In other news, decided to do an impulse yoloroll on godfest and got Sanada! I'm all right with that-- now that I have him and Urd I may be able to run Gadius semi-well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 14, 2015, 09:57:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1ERah04wQ

RED RIDING HOOD STRONG
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 14, 2015, 10:49:58 AM
Thanks for the advice, all! I'll start on US to get familiar with things first. Wish me well as I reroll......

And this is my first: http://m.puzzledragonx.com/monster.asp?n=1616

Reroll Y/N?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Pesco on November 14, 2015, 11:06:45 AM
This godfest doesn't really offer anything really newbie friendly. The easier to use gods that you could get like Amaterasu, Bastet or Isis feel like they have a bit of weak mid game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2015, 11:43:29 AM
Decided to do one pull because why not.

-Nim

That's really cool actually, I'm extremely happy to get Crest Knights even though I never use the ones I have. Only missing Delgado and whatever the black one is now (and Delgado is the one I'm most likely to use, though I still kind of doubt I would). Might do more pulls later, I don't know.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Tea Devil on November 14, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
So I've been playing this since March or so and eh, I'm not very good at it. Not at the point where I can do descends or farm for plus eggs yet.

Decided to pull for FF and the godfest.

-Wol (meh)
-Zidane (I like him so I'll be satisfied with this)
-Sharon (I don't know if she's good with what I have)
-Yomi (Seems alright, though I don't know what evo to use)
-Ace (uh sure)
-Vivi (^)

Might roll a bit more later, though I don't know exactly what's worth getting currently.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 14, 2015, 01:17:19 PM
Thanks for the advice, all! I'll start on US to get familiar with things first. Wish me well as I reroll......

And this is my first: http://m.puzzledragonx.com/monster.asp?n=1616

Reroll Y/N?

Definitely reroll. Having to use a skill to gain any of your multipliers or having none is incredibly bad.

As a side note, most of the people here play on the NA server, but JP typically gets content faster and more collaborations. If I were to be perfectly blunt, if you want to play with community, I'd stick to NA unless you plan on making friends with randos in the JP server. If you care more about collaborations and just want the game to be easier, play JP. You can also think of NA/JP as a Normal/Easy mode select.

It's also worth noting that they are currently testing a co-op feature in the future, so if you decide to main the JP server, you won't be able to play it with anyone here except Trance, Thaws, and Chaore, since I think they are the only ones active on that server.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 14, 2015, 01:31:12 PM
Did four rolls on the godfest while waiting for my blood test this morning:

- Dupe Radious ._.
- Dupe Water Dragon Swordsman ._.
- Dupe Rozuel ._.
- Viper Orochi

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY YOMI I HAVE NO NEED FOR OROCHI EVEN IF AWOKEN OROCHI IS REALLY GOOD :tableflip:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 14, 2015, 01:55:05 PM
Definitely reroll. Having to use a skill to gain any of your multipliers or having none is incredibly bad.

As a side note, most of the people here play on the NA server, but JP typically gets content faster and more collaborations. If I were to be perfectly blunt, if you want to play with community, I'd stick to NA unless you plan on making friends with randos in the JP server. If you care more about collaborations and just want the game to be easier, play JP. You can also think of NA/JP as a Normal/Easy mode select.

It's also worth noting that they are currently testing a co-op feature in the future, so if you decide to main the JP server, you won't be able to play it with anyone here except Trance, Thaws, and Chaore, since I think they are the only ones active on that server.

Thanks for the tip. I played through a few more dungeons for another roll and picked up a Horus. From what I've read, it seems to be a good starter. What do you all think?

And for the NA/JP thing, kind of expected that. Maybe I'll just stick to NA first learning how it works, then pick up a JP account once I'm used to things.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2015, 02:09:05 PM
Thanks for the tip. I played through a few more dungeons for another roll and picked up a Horus. From what I've read, it seems to be a good starter. What do you all think?

And for the NA/JP thing, kind of expected that. Maybe I'll just stick to NA first learning how it works, then pick up a JP account once I'm used to things.

Horus is a fine starter, although he's a little tricky to use and to reach true endgame potential you have to get lucky and get a very specific set of other monsters to go with him.

If I were you I'd keep Horus, since I don't think rerolling is that necessary. Tomorrow one of the featured sets of gods is Chinese, which in my opinion are the best starters you can get for power level, ease of use, and potential value throughout every stage of the game.

So maybe keep Horus, but save all of the Magic Stones you get today to try to get a Chinese god tomorrow. Or if you want to keep rerolling, wait until tomorrow to do it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2015, 02:18:38 PM
So I've been playing this since March or so and eh, I'm not very good at it. Not at the point where I can do descends or farm for plus eggs yet.

Decided to pull for FF and the godfest.

-Wol (meh)
-Zidane (I like him so I'll be satisfied with this)
-Sharon (I don't know if she's good with what I have)
-Yomi (Seems alright, though I don't know what evo to use)
-Ace (uh sure)
-Vivi (^)

Might roll a bit more later, though I don't know exactly what's worth getting currently.

Who's your leader right now? Post your friend code so you can play with us.

As for what's worth having, all of the gods featured in the godfests for today and tomorrow are pretty hot right now, since they've all gotten super-powerful Awoken forms recently. You won't be able to use Awoken gods for a long time since they have extremely high evolution material costs, but they're nice to have for later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 14, 2015, 02:24:15 PM
Thanks for the tip. I played through a few more dungeons for another roll and picked up a Horus. From what I've read, it seems to be a good starter. What do you all think?

And for the NA/JP thing, kind of expected that. Maybe I'll just stick to NA first learning how it works, then pick up a JP account once I'm used to things.

Horus is good but a bit hard to learn at the beginning for most, Chinese have a much better curve and are probably one of the best for starting out.

And yeah, there's also absolutely nothing that says you can't play both servers at the same time at some point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Tea Devil on November 14, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
Who's your leader right now? Post your friend code so you can play with us.

Right now, I'm using liu bei and dancing queen hera, though I have evolved Kanna and would use her more if my team cost could support the mons I want. Probably would be more useful to you all than liu bei anyway.

Amd my code is 388 361 301.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Right now, I'm using liu bei and dancing queen hera, though I have evolved Kanna and would use her more if my team cost could support the mons I want. Probably would be more useful to you all than liu bei anyway.

Amd my code is 388 361 301.

Hey, people love Liu Bei. Not usually as a leader, but he can work for that. Liu Bei is one of the most-loved monsters in the game at this point, at least in his Restrained Dragon Hero, Liu Bei from.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Tea Devil on November 14, 2015, 02:44:01 PM
Unfortunately, both he and hera and their chibi forms. I really wish I had a proper one, if only because A) TPAs and B) better art. So I'll put Kanna in the first party. hera may or may not stay in the second party.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 14, 2015, 02:52:19 PM
Looks like I own Viper Orochi now.

Hm. I could water row it up with him, too, or use all those dongers.

Re: new posters
Uh I dunno how much Big Dog would help you all out but feel free to send an invite anyways I guess?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 14, 2015, 02:52:40 PM
Godfest day 1 yoloroll: DValk

Amd my code is 388 361 301.
I'm 347966337.

EDIT: and your friend list is full...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Tea Devil on November 14, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
It needed cleaning out anyways. Not full now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 14, 2015, 03:44:48 PM
Godfest day 1 yoloroll: DValk
Dunno how much she helps YOU specifically, but DValk(later Claire) is totally great,plus getting the REM Valks is usually a crapshoot, so good going!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 14, 2015, 04:24:58 PM
Did a couple more yolorolls hoping for Amaterasu, Isis, or Kanna.

-Belial (after all this time, you now show up after Ronia teams are long obsolete? Fuck off.)
-Shaitan dupe x1000

should not have pushed it

fire gala too hot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 14, 2015, 04:30:42 PM
you know I bet Archdemons will get some sort of super ult soon after archangels

and maybe my maxskilled Belial will get a new skill that invalidates the 9 pys+dupe Belial that I fed to him
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 14, 2015, 04:59:06 PM
should not have pushed it

fire gala too hot

Quote from: Anonymous
It starts with
One roll I don't know why
It doesn?t even matter how hard you try
Keep that in mind, I designed this rhyme
To explain in due time
All I know
Stones are a valuable thing
Watch them fly by as the dragon arm swings
Watch the stamina count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks stamina away
It?s so unreal
Didn?t look at padx
Watch the stamina go right to hecks
Trying to beat the dungeon but didn?t even know
I wasted it all just to watch me stone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 14, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
That's amazing! Laughed so hard  :D

Anyone here that could put up a Darkseid while Tengu is here?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 14, 2015, 08:50:27 PM
0/7 on Z&H skillups

thanks as usual
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 14, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
Here i was, getting ready to burn my almost full stamina on Fire Carnival when suddenly a wild Suikama appears with Darkseid equipped!
And despite 1-stoning Legend because of a stupid mistake, Tengu is history!  :)
Thanks Suikama! ^^

Now i just have to wait for Draggie and i can finally put to rest my <12 DC team (as in "feed off all the little bastards to better cards, especially Darkseid himself since i had to give him around 20 +HP eggs to survive the ogre on floor 1")
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 14, 2015, 10:27:48 PM
oh yeah can someone put up their guan yinping or w/e I wanna try to get the stone from coin tengu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 14, 2015, 10:32:28 PM
Ocean Of Heaven has been terrible today. I've barely gotten anything.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 14, 2015, 10:55:47 PM
Ocean Of Heaven has been terrible today. I've barely gotten anything.

Tell me about it. I decided to cut my losses and just trawl through coin dungeons for stones.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Tea Devil on November 14, 2015, 11:46:51 PM
A roll on a second account. I was going to wait until Chinese godfest but

-Tsubaki

Well, that suits me just fine.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 15, 2015, 02:35:21 AM
asaku can be fun

(http://i.imgur.com/qlGuDKX.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/E0LQK35.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Rq5CTkr.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 15, 2015, 03:34:08 AM
Surprisingly, I got two Cloud skillups today. He's pretty fun to use, even though Dragon Rider Arthur is far from max skilled and I could probably find a shorter CD than Kiriko to use.

Edit: 3 for 3 in Cloud skillups today wtf

Edit edit: it's pretty bad that I'm expecting 4x light dongers with Cloud to hit as hard as 4x dark dongers with Zaerogoo
I mean don't get me wrong I love the straight HP advantage that Cloud has but...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mеа on November 15, 2015, 09:00:39 AM
"Hmm, I wasn't planning on rolling, but I could use a Haku. Ok, guess I'll roll once."
*Rolls a Haku*
Mission accomplished

I love you RNG goddesses
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 15, 2015, 09:19:54 AM
I wish RNGesus would just give me Phoenix Rider and Yomi already.

Or at least Kaede.

;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 15, 2015, 09:49:05 AM
Edit edit: it's pretty bad that I'm expecting 4x light dongers with Cloud to hit as hard as 4x dark dongers with Zaerogoo
I mean don't get me wrong I love the straight HP advantage that Cloud has but...

Uh, Cloud's multiplier cap isn't anywhere close to Zaerog's though. Cloud is kinda like a farming team mostly.

EDIT:

(http://i.imgur.com/OtmYfa2.png)

He'll come in handy someday. Probably.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 15, 2015, 11:39:33 AM
[06:36:38] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> rofl it is dupe gfe fest
[06:37:07] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> decided I'd roll a bit from an account I'm closing anyway
[06:38:01] <trancehime> =b=
[06:38:21] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> 2 lemondrgn, 1 dupe karin, 1 dupe red riding hood, 1 dupe urd (#3), 1 dupe Typhon (#2), 1 dupe LKali (#3)
[06:38:27] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> and one not-dupe blonia
[06:38:41] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> lots of good MP I guess????
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 15, 2015, 12:29:28 PM
"Hmm, I wasn't planning on rolling, but I could use a Haku. Ok, guess I'll roll once."
*Rolls a Haku*
Mission accomplished

I love you RNG goddesses

That is some serious pinpoint precision..... Mea 1 - Desire Sensor 0  :D


Urgh, same problem as yesterday.... i have a team ready for Xuanzang but no partner leader to pair up with. Didn't think THIS would be the hard part of clearing the cost-restricted dungeons  :V
Is there anyone that could put up an unevolved Sylph or (better) Noah?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mеа on November 15, 2015, 01:17:28 PM
Now that I check though, I'm a bit annoyed. I really want to fit a Haku on my Beach Pandora team, her awoken form, but she doesn't have any rows. Two TPAs, sure, but no rows. I guess I should use the d/d version if I'm to fit her in then?
Also there's like pretty much nobody that can convert away the fire orbs from her active into something useful, aside from Hanzo who's rem only, grrr

e: or maybe I could try for the b/w Karin... that could be interesting. She has a TPA and a row for both blue and dark. I can convert away the greens from her active with one of the Pandoras.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 15, 2015, 01:26:20 PM
Now that I check though, I'm a bit annoyed. I really want to fit a Haku on my Beach Pandora team, her awoken form, but she doesn't have any rows. Two TPAs, sure, but no rows. I guess I should use the d/d version if I'm to fit her in then?
Also there's like pretty much nobody that can convert away the fire orbs from her active into something useful, aside from Hanzo who's rem only, grrr

Mitsuhide is better. (and also rem)

But honestly AHaku's haste and skill bind resist (and better awakes overall) > 2 dark rows if you ask me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 15, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
So.......

In addition to the Horus, I now have a Krishna and a Nim on one account. I rerolled and picked up a Verdandi and Yamato Takeru on another.

I see Verdandi's on the list in the OP. Which one should I keep?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 15, 2015, 02:39:11 PM
So.......

In addition to the Horus, I now have a Krishna and a Nim on one account. I rerolled and picked up a Verdandi and Yamato Takeru on another.

I see Verdandi's on the list in the OP. Which one should I keep?

Verdandi is very friendly to new players. She requires absolutely no match condition to use her multiplier, so you can just use green stuff. However, you'll have to push any improvement on your own.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 15, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
Another plus to her is that she has a fair number of farmable sub options, which makes her hilariously easy to get off the ground.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 15, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
Godfest day 2 rolls:

Fire Dragon Knight
Red Sky Wizard, Chester
Thumbelina → 3000 MP
Grape Dragon
Cerberus Rider → 5000 MP?
Cao Cao
Red Knight, Nim (dup) → 5000 MP
Markab
Gadius
Berry Dragon (dup) → 3000 MP
Snow White → 3000 MP
Sakuya

1 pantheon god in 12 rolls :fail:

At least I have some better fire-type monsters now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: triangles on November 15, 2015, 02:46:03 PM
fffffff I accidentally put the wrong latent on LMeta WELL SHE'S ALL MAXED OUT NOW TIME FOR THAT FANCY HIGHLIGHT even if I bungled a bit and gave her one of the super loser ones and I don't know how to undo it :( :( :(

Which one should I keep?
I'm going to 3rd/xth the Verdandi suggestion for a new player yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2015, 03:03:41 PM
Obligatory one godfest pull:

-Zuoh

He's another member of that chunk of special gods that I just kind of overlooked and don't really have strong opinions on. Is he good?

I was kind of hoping to get Haku because most of my potential black teams want her, but he's at least pretty similar, so he should make a great stopgap, I think. His leader skill is uninspiring to be since again he's "huge ATK multiplier, orb hungry, no other stat boosts" and I don't really feel compelled to make another one of those.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 15, 2015, 03:05:55 PM
Sounds good, I'll hang on to the Verdandi then. From what I read, Yamato seems decent for endgame, so at least there's that.

The ID is 320,092,324. Still the starter in the leader slot until I level enough points to put her in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 15, 2015, 03:06:25 PM
>Doing Alt Starlight Sanctuary

>Minerva spawns on 1 timer

>Verdandi gives board that doesn't even 7 combo

>I'm 99.9% definitely about to die

(http://i.imgur.com/EUSCd3g.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ai50XJR.png) (http://i.imgur.com/VagSb3I.png)

N E V E R      S U R R E N D E R
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 15, 2015, 05:49:05 PM
My +egg farming continues to slant heavily toward RCV and away from HP. I started over fresh with Kalloween so there should have beem no influence from past trends on her, and right now she's+277/+279/+294. Any excess +RCVs when she can can go back into the second white Kali I was working on before... Who's sitting at an unlikely +20/+45/+51.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 15, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eqcHAZJ.jpg)

FUCK YES BV

Took 4 tries

1 time got bound despite having 80% skill lock resist >_> And then I stalled but skyfall killed Hera and I had 1 turn left vs pys >____>

2 times to starburst because wow aRa is actually kind of weak I mean just look he deals less than half the damage of RaDra
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 15, 2015, 05:54:30 PM
2 times to starburst because wow aRa is actually kind of weak I mean just look he deals less than half the damage of RaDra

:getdown:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 15, 2015, 06:08:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eqcHAZJ.jpg)

FUCK YES BV

hydra real mvp, needs uvo soon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 15, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
I ended up killing Parvati in like 3 turns though so Echinda would have been fine :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 15, 2015, 06:31:24 PM
My +egg farming continues to slant heavily toward RCV and away from HP. I started over fresh with Kalloween so there should have beem no influence from past trends on her, and right now she's+277/+279/+294. Any excess +RCVs when she can can go back into the second white Kali I was working on before... Who's sitting at an unlikely +20/+45/+51.

I'm the polar opposite, my current "baddie storage" is sitting at +21/+2/+1

oh and about that "using extreme stall teams to clear Xuanzang"..... i suddenly have the urge to maxlvl my unevolved DQXQ or Asmodeus  :X I don't have the patience to chip away at the bosses for 3 hours straight >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 15, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
fffffff I accidentally put the wrong latent on LMeta WELL SHE'S ALL MAXED OUT NOW TIME FOR THAT FANCY HIGHLIGHT even if I bungled a bit and gave her one of the super loser ones and I don't know how to undo it :( :( :(

Latent Awakenings can be overwritten by feeding new ones. Unfortunately you can't choose which one to overwrite and you start overwriting from the oldest one. So if the wrong one is the last one you need to feed 5 new latents, yes it'd dumb hope they change it in the future.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Chaore on November 15, 2015, 09:26:46 PM
me: shiva/kiriko is too much of a crapshoot for level 8 I'm doomed ;;

Mei: (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-untzP4DaM4Q/Vkj3fD57UpI/AAAAAAAAC30/YhydzrhGuQ8/w385-h684-no/15%2B-%2B1)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2015, 03:23:42 AM
Bought Ra Dragon a couple hours ago, attempts at Ranking  Dungeon (No AS allowed):

(http://i.imgur.com/z8bolKo.png)

2 times to starburst because wow aRa is actually kind of weak I mean just look he deals less than half the damage of RaDra

2 TPAs > 0 TPA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 16, 2015, 05:28:48 AM
I, uh

I made a mistake  (http://imgur.com/8tx7ktc)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2015, 05:48:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hm7aoeC.png)

i am so done
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 16, 2015, 05:57:03 AM
Ariel isn't even max level...

(http://imgur.com/YjYCaif.jpg)

Are you guys proud yet?

I clutched this one out two hours before the dungeon closed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2015, 06:05:57 AM
Ariel isn't even max level...

Yeah, you can tell I don't really play Light cards at all, but due Ranking Dungeon's nature (No AS allowed), I had to throw in some off-color Red gods in order to compensate for being unable to orb-change.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 16, 2015, 06:21:11 AM
One last roll during the Godfest.....

Yellow Sky Fruit, Lemon Dragon.

Fruitsaredragonswtfnow?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 16, 2015, 06:47:23 AM
One last roll during the Godfest.....

Yellow Sky Fruit, Lemon Dragon.

Fruitsaredragonswtfnow?

strawberry = red, berry = blue, melon = green, lemon = light, grape = dark
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 16, 2015, 07:10:35 AM
strawberry = red, berry = blue, melon = green, lemon = light, grape = dark

Thought so. The idea of a huge dragon that could double as an air freshener is making me giggle, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 16, 2015, 09:31:43 AM
Thought so. The idea of a huge dragon that could double as an air freshener is making me giggle, though.

I present to you the (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=441) ancient (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=442) aka (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=443) whiskey (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=444) dragons (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=445).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 16, 2015, 09:59:01 AM
I present to you the (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=441) ancient (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=442) aka (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=443) whiskey (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=444) dragons (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=445).

The fumes around them are quite suspicious....

Btw, did (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1761) you (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1762) have (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1763) breakfast (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1764) yet? (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1765)


EDIT: you know, Dragons are supposed to be the epitome of mythical monsters..... PAD is doing a damn fine job of turning them into a laughing stock  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 16, 2015, 10:19:05 AM
Goodnight badpys.
Goodnight snow globes.
Goodnight 20+ baby tamas.
Goodnight, cursed Izanami that I fed 30+ skillup feed and only got 2 skillups out of, perhaps your descendant shall be better.
Goodnight, last fucking Zaerog that I need to work with at least until I get around to doing Sonia Gran.

(http://i.imgur.com/YChiZJq.jpg)

Good morning, moon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 16, 2015, 11:47:07 AM
Are you guys proud yet?

I clutched this one out two hours before the dungeon closed.

It's not my problem.  :colbert:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 16, 2015, 01:40:23 PM
I came i  just over the wire for hypermaxing Kalloween during the last event. I've had her for two weeks (or was it three? At any rate, I've been actively working on her for two weeks) and she's +96/+96/+99, max level, max awoken, max skill.

I can still finish her this afternoon with Star Vault if I don't get really unlucky like I did with my last handful of runs last night and go 7/8 on RCV eggs.

Sucks to be working on Star Vault when I should be doing Dragon Challenge or Eva Collab, but those things can wait. I really do want to finish her at this point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Dorakyura on November 16, 2015, 02:16:21 PM
Are you guys cloud yet?

fixed  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 16, 2015, 05:26:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LdedLrBl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/LdedLrB.jpg)

I'm surprised I remembered Sphinx was an on-color Devil defense piercer, since I haven't gotten around to evolving an Awoken Ra yet. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 16, 2015, 08:00:23 PM
Aaaaand done.

(http://imgur.com/km1gjDB.png)

See PAD, you can give me nice things. I'll take good care of them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Edible on November 16, 2015, 09:18:14 PM
"Huh, I never did zhou yu.  I don't like resolve mechanics and all attributes is kind of annoying."

"... Oh, I can hit him with a status beforehand?  I can sub in Awoken Orochi, who covers blue anyway!"

And then Zhou Yu got to stand there and watch me one-shot him, go "aha, resolve shield!" and then die the next turn anyway without being able to do anything.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 16, 2015, 10:43:53 PM
The fumes around them are quite suspicious....

in case you don't know, all of the ancient dragons are named after expensive brands of scotch/whisky, which is also why their costs are so high despite them being pretty garbage

And to be completely fair for every laughing stock dragon they have an equally amazing dragon. Like the Dragon Emperors and...

uh...

...the mechdragons? i guess???

(let's not forget that kitty dragons are a thing, for some reason)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 16, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
to be fair the whiskey dragons have surprisingly high HP and RCV considering the fact that they are dragons

Dud active be damned, they are good stat sticks
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 16, 2015, 10:54:44 PM
That kinda seems to be the case with most dragons out there, horrible actives, mediocre awakenings, great stats.

There are exceptions of course (in the name of like Gran Sonia, the Zaerog Quartet and Apocalypse) but that seems to be the case for the most part.

Unless we're talking about skillup dragons but don't get me started on "how the fuck can something as cool as a dragon be relegated to a goddamn skillup material I fucking hate you gungho"

i really like dragons did you guys notice that yet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 16, 2015, 11:03:50 PM


And to be completely fair for every laughing stock dragon they have an equally amazing dragon. Like the Dragon Emperors and...

uh...

Don't forget about the one true dragon king, Medjedra
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 16, 2015, 11:15:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OZyI0BB.png)


oh........................
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 16, 2015, 11:19:34 PM
Don't forget about the one true dragon king, Medjedra

Sorry, i can't take seriously something that looks like a Pokemon dropout (and the "wtf are you doing" face of Osiris in the background doesn't help at all).

And speaking of true dragons: i can't believe how UGLY the MP dragons are! For something that overpowered and expensive you would expect the artwork to be glorious, instead..... i find a lot of 4 and 5-star monsters more appealing  :V

EDIT: Go die in a ditch Zhou Yu..... how come half the time i 0-stone a dungeon fairly easily on my first try, but the 2nd/3rd time i have a lot of problems? And this despite the team got better since the first run!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: qMyon on November 16, 2015, 11:39:08 PM
Those dragons.....my sides......

in case you don't know, all of the ancient dragons are named after expensive brands of scotch/whisky, which is also why their costs are so high despite them being pretty garbage

And to be completely fair for every laughing stock dragon they have an equally amazing dragon. Like the Dragon Emperors and...

uh...

...the mechdragons? i guess???

(let's not forget that kitty dragons are a thing, for some reason)

Are you implying something about whisky brands? :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 16, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
Sorry, i can't take seriously something that looks like a Pokemon dropout (and the "wtf are you doing" face of Osiris in the background doesn't help at all).

Are you familiar with the historical basis for Medjed? It's actually pretty interesting. To say nothing of the Japanese cultural basis for him. Google it if you don't know the story. But anyway, he looked precisely like that in ancient Egypt, so his derpy design isn't Gungho's doing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 16, 2015, 11:58:14 PM
Are you familiar with the historical basis for Medjed? It's actually pretty interesting. To say nothing of the Japanese cultural basis for him. Google it if you don't know the story. But anyway, he looked precisely like that in ancient Egypt, so his derpy design isn't Gungho's doing.

Oh yes, i know about Medjed (i'm a big fan of mythology), but even if that is an accurate depiction, it's STILL so derpy  :derp:

What i didn't know was the origin of the whisky dragon's names..... since i cannot drink anything even barely alcoholic i guess it's kind of understandable  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mеа on November 17, 2015, 12:12:29 AM
Are you familiar with the historical basis for Medjed? It's actually pretty interesting. To say nothing of the Japanese cultural basis for him. Google it if you don't know the story. But anyway, he looked precisely like that in ancient Egypt, so his derpy design isn't Gungho's doing.
You know, because Gungho has a track record of showing that having a solid mythological/historical basis saves some from the trouble of retaining such negligible details, with the power of creativity!
Blonde white female Noah? Why that's in the book of Hezekiah, who debuts along with white Aryan Jesus that every portrait of him ever is based off of! (That's the chapter where they fight the devil, Satan, and Lucifer at the same time)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 17, 2015, 01:09:07 AM
Sorry, i can't take seriously something that looks like a Pokemon dropout (and the "wtf are you doing" face of Osiris in the background doesn't help at all).

He can shoot lasers from his eyes. Darkseid is the only other pad card that can do that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 01:36:00 AM
I don't know what to do with the Dragon Lord Zaerogs that I get from Dragon Rush. I don't want to throw them away unless I ever need them as evo materials, but I also don't really care about anything that uses Zaerogs to evolve.

He can shoot lasers from his eyes. Darkseid is the only other pad card that can do that.

 :colbert:

Superman.

And Supergirl
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 17, 2015, 01:47:43 AM
Remember when I said I was so done?

(http://i.imgur.com/EpvIro8.png)

i fucking lied.

go eat shit, you stupid rng dungeon.

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/666498487064772608 <-- UUVO Gabriel. 3rd type Attacker
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 17, 2015, 06:33:46 AM
+500 ATK in stats, same awakening as Uriel and Raphael.

Oh boy, my awoken Lakshmi Team is going to have a blast with you.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 17, 2015, 06:48:25 AM

Awoken Sakuya's so good. So much damage. Remember how I complained about Zhou Yu's dungeon a bunch? Now I think that dungeon is fair and balanced(Actually, a little on the easy side.) Zhou Yu is the only part of the dungeon worth caring about and I can blast him even with his shield now.
Even going from L/L Saku to L/G felt like a massive boost. Went from needing 9 light orbs or 6 light orbs + a gravity to kill a miniboss in paradise of the holy beasts to just one active. Made rushes feel more feasible with minimal investment. I've just been using my L/G with some Awoken Kirin's (thanks Matsy for being one of, if not the first hypermaxed one on my list) and it's just holy damages batman.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 17, 2015, 06:51:00 AM
Awoken Sakuya's so good. So much damage.

x25/36/49/64/81/100 is pretty good
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 17, 2015, 07:28:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/8FpCRam.jpg)

Thank you rng gods.
Thanks hyo for the tinnin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 17, 2015, 08:24:37 AM
wow super ult gabe is really fuckin pretty

tbh i may just start running water just to use him <_<;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 17, 2015, 09:31:29 AM
wow super ult gabe is really fuckin pretty

tbh i may just start running water just to use him <_<;

Me too, I might seriously consider saving up MP to purchase Neptune Dragon, as my blue rows game is becoming insanely scary.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 17, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
ARMOR GABE WITH CRYSTAL WINGS WHAT
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 12:35:02 PM
Acceptable.







(Naw, I'm kidding, he's great. Interesting, though not surprising at this point, that he ended up an attacker. Husbando's a truck now.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 17, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
Now all that's left is Lucifer.

Frankly I think luci users are going to be pretty disappointed if he gets anything that's not a second SBR and bind immunity.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 17, 2015, 12:56:53 PM
Now all that's left is Lucifer.

Frankly I think luci users are going to be pretty disappointed if he gets anything that's not a second SBR and bind immunity.

and then he gets 3 tpas :^)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on November 17, 2015, 01:04:50 PM
...Seriously?

I mean, it's possible but it wouldn't exactly do very well with his playstyle as a leader.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 17, 2015, 01:33:59 PM
...Seriously?

I mean, it's possible but it wouldn't exactly do very well with his playstyle as a leader.

I mean Raphael got 5 rows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
Naw, expect him to be strictly better than the colored angels. He is, after all, from one of the strictly better colors.

(Obviously I"m mostly being facetious, but absolute best-case scenario for Gabriel would have been bindproof+bind clear. And I fully expect Lucifer to get that buff instead. Gabriel can definitely make better use of an attack boost and more rows than Lucifer would have been able to though, so... Fair, I guess.)

I think it's interesting that Gabriel seems to have gotten by far the biggest visual overhaul of any of the angels yet. I don't necessarily have a problem with that, I like his new art plenty, but it's much more of a change than any of the others were, at least to my recollection.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 17, 2015, 01:43:02 PM
PGCF time (https://a.pgtb.me/QLlSTq) (pls vote for Indra)

Also Isis is finally a top 5 pick in PGCF *-*

e: wait shit she's in 6th and Bastet is winning by one vote >_> whatever close enough :V

e2: oh now its tied and sakuya isnt too far behind
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Oof, Gabriel still at four votes. Keep ignoring him, fools, soon your reckoning will be at hand. I guess it's all for the best, I like having a super-rare secret husbando and if everyone started using him my World's Best Gabriel would become less special.

Voted Andromeda even though it's probably futile.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 17, 2015, 01:50:00 PM
Actually votes for Andromeda matter the most because I think she's really really close around the 30th place cutoff mark

Meanwhile voting for DKali is literally wasting your vote she's already 1st place you fools :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 17, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
Vote Ariel plz
with a skill that's so spammable
everyone could use more tripledongs

Well. That happened.
(http://imgur.com/l88o0ZE.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 02:11:26 PM
Actually votes for Andromeda matter the most because I think she's really really close around the 30th place cutoff mark

Meanwhile voting for DKali is literally wasting your vote she's already 1st place you fools :V

Sorry, I didn't mean voting for her was futile, I meant that trying to pull her out of this huge pool was futile. The list I was looking at had them sorted by pantheon and I just assumed she was already safely qualified.:v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 17, 2015, 03:38:35 PM
Oof, Gabriel still at four votes. Keep ignoring him, fools, soon your reckoning will be at hand. I guess it's all for the best, I like having a super-rare secret husbando and if everyone started using him my World's Best Gabriel would become less special.

Pretty much. Gotta be unique.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Espadas on November 17, 2015, 04:07:31 PM
Voted for Satsuki.

I find it amusing that after buffing LZL and ignoring completely GZL, the latter still have 3 times the votes of the former  :V

P.S. am i the only one that looks at uevo Gabriel and see a Gold Saint of Saint Seiya?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 17, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
500 dkali votes lmao
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 17, 2015, 04:33:53 PM
I bet people have been wondering since day one, "man, that guy running Gabriel is so weird"

After his super ult, I'm sure people will still think you're weird for running Gabriel.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 04:34:19 PM
Aw, came 900 points short of S-ranking Eva collab on my first try with Ra. I'm going to be farming it though, probably with him, so if I can just optimize where to use actives and creep my combo count a little higher I'm sure I can do it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Jq1790 on November 17, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Voted for Satsuki.

I find it amusing that after buffing LZL and ignoring completely GZL, the latter still have 3 times the votes of the former  :V

P.S. am i the only one that looks at uevo Gabriel and see a Gold Saint of Saint Seiya?
Re:  GZL
Remember, wood Attackers are pretty popular, unlike light healers for the most part.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 17, 2015, 05:07:51 PM
I think there's a chance Super Angels/Awoken Norse is going to be a thing soon. Which really os just a power crept version of the team I've been using the whole time. It'll be interesting to see if more people do start playing them as leads after that, of if they'll just become more popular as subs.

The massive upside of the way the Super Angels worked out is that I would now be totally receptive to a second Gabriel to fill the Ruka slot on my team instead of Andromeda.

Two Gabriels would give less skillboosts (something I badly need) and less color flexibility than Andromeda, and I would miss the bind recovery a lot, but the extra row and amazing stats make him a legit option now. Could my long Andromeda nightmare finally be nearing an end? Double husbando is real.

Edit: Wait, never mind, Andro does only have one skillboost. So it's basically row vs. bind clear (tie), autoheals versus time extend and lock resist (Andro), active versus active (tie), and stats versus stats (Gabriel).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 17, 2015, 11:54:38 PM
I don't see any troll voting so far. Kinda disappointed. It was kinda amusing to see people try to vote 30 people over Luci. I want to see some lobbying. Maybe something fun will happen if GH releases Luci's super ult.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 18, 2015, 12:07:32 AM
I'm just surprised that Raphael has votes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 18, 2015, 12:13:17 AM
I don't see any troll voting so far. Kinda disappointed. It was kinda amusing to see people try to vote 30 people over Luci. I want to see some lobbying. Maybe something fun will happen if GH releases Luci's super ult.
Bodin in 21ist is kind of troll, especially when Hermes is way down in 47th >_>

Also Venus 19th while Raph is 37th
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: hyorinryu on November 18, 2015, 02:16:34 AM
Bodin in 21ist is kind of troll, especially when Hermes is way down in 47th >_>

Also Venus 19th while Raph is 37th

Not really. Blue Odin might not be the best thing ever, but he's still pretty mainstream. He doesn't rile people up like Luci or Neptune did.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: trancehime on November 18, 2015, 02:17:01 AM
I'm just surprised that Raphael has votes.

F I V E R O W H Y P E
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 18, 2015, 08:27:54 AM
HATHOR ARENA CLEAR

(http://i.imgur.com/ZUh1OP4.jpg)(http://imgur.com/lHlGpTk.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/BOYdxr8.jpg)

Team is very heavily plussed, all 297s except A. Ammy at +234.
Surprised it only took 2 tries. I got pretty good rolls with enemies I guess? Venus for battle 15, Dios for battle 17.
Stalled at Zaerog for 20 turns because he used light absorb 5 times to give you an idea of how tanky this team can be.
Got Hera-Is for battle 19 which is one of the easiest I believe.
LKali used 99% grav most of the time, giving me a very hard time trying to stay alive. Hathor's active was one turn from being back up again at the end but I had a really good board and opted for just bursting with mini rose+izanagi, well that burst with skyfalls dealt like 10mil which was pretty overkill so whatever. :V

Oh man I'm liking playing this team so much. It's so fun :V and it's been years since I played rainbow teams again it's a refreshing experience different from combo teams :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 18, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
Gee gungho, it sure is nice to have Eva skillups. A shame you took away the 2x skillups RIGHT WHEN IT STARTED THOUGH HOW DID YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Suikama on November 18, 2015, 01:35:20 PM
There's x2 skillups this evening :V

Also Dragon challenge complete

I'm now at 67 stones

Indra come to meeeeeeee
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: commandercool on November 18, 2015, 01:37:48 PM
Thaws: In keeping with the Evangelion theme...

"Congratulations!"

Gee gungho, it sure is nice to have Eva skillups. A shame you took away the 2x skillups RIGHT WHEN IT STARTED THOUGH HOW DID YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA

Yup, I'm with you. My box filled up basically instantly. Good thing a lot of that is just copies of The Fourth Angel - Assault Mode that I don't mind feeding at normal rates because I don't care about Godin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 18, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
30% chance to bind, my ass. Had to wait out like 30+ turns of binds smh

(http://i.imgur.com/DuQ8WRE.png) (http://i.imgur.com/s0N4N8v.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 18, 2015, 05:28:47 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH WOW

I SHOULD HAVE GOT A SCREENSHOT

so I ran journey to the west mythical with ASaku, blind

I forgot that dark Xuanzang had a light drain. Well, fuck, I thought I had to stall.

I did a 12 combo, 100x.

I OHKOd Mythical Xuanzang with sub damage alone. That means my subelements did over 2 million damage alone (well over that, because I know both Sakuyas alone did over 700k water damage each, and that's not counting my Kalis, Susano, or Tsukuyomi).

Take your light drain and shove it. Get. Rekt.

ASaku. :*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 18, 2015, 05:43:48 PM
Just died on Journey To The West Legend because I got massive skyfalls against Wujing and knocked him down to resolve. I even had a delay, I just didn't use it because, you know, that wasn't very likely. Yup, resolve+instant kill sure is a fuuuun mechanic.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 18, 2015, 05:45:21 PM
I brought Echinda just for Wujin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 18, 2015, 06:15:20 PM
Brought Zaerogoo into Journey to the West. My experience fighting Sopdet taught me that Zaerog can in fact deal controlled damage, so I matched two sets of three dark orbs and some change to chip Wujin down.

Skyfalls keep happening. I see two dark orbs align at the top while combos keep happening.

"Don't do it. Don't you dare."

I got rekt.

hurrr Zaerogoo's dark orb boost wasn't even active, too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 18, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
Use hades friend or something, you can even just use gravity world to fuck him up right away.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 18, 2015, 06:31:35 PM
Oh, I know how to fuck him up. There are a lot of ways to fuck him up. Doesn't change the fact that he's a cheating bitch and I shouldn't have to go out of my way.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 18, 2015, 06:40:39 PM
Susano tanked Wujing's bullshit for me like a bro. Which is good, because I think he would have dropped at 25x, let alone the 100x I smacked him with.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 18, 2015, 06:45:16 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he's a cheating bitch and I shouldn't have to go out of my way.

Confirmed :|

It wouldn't even be much of an issue but dude has tissue paper HP too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 18, 2015, 06:47:01 PM
Welp, add me to the new "Fuck skyfalls against Wujing" club....

@Thaws: WOW, CONGRATS!

@Enoshimatsuri: Ok, that'd have got me laughing too :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the FF Collab
Post by: Thaws on November 18, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
Thaws: In keeping with the Evangelion theme...

"Congratulations!"
@Thaws: WOW, CONGRATS!

Thanks :D
Hathor OP :DDDD



I always brought an Astaroth to counter Wujin's attack at 1hp and kill him instead of bothering to adjust his hp :V But I did forget he has a pre-empt once and died to it after getting hit by Bajie's grav. WELP



Light and Blue dog dragon's skills are leaked.
Light -> Raphael
Blue -> LZL

The 5 rows hype is so real even gungho knows it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 18, 2015, 07:20:23 PM
Plus a farmable damage cancel is probably a legit situational sub option for anyone who doesn't own Raphael or Ganesha. I could totally see someone running a trash-tier biweekly dragon with a damage immunity active in place of a Kali on a Ra team for certain things (Scarlet, maybe?).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 18, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
Plus a farmable damage cancel is probably a legit situational sub option for anyone who doesn't own Raphael or Ganesha. I could totally see someone running a trash-tier biweekly dragon with a damage immunity active in place of a Kali on a Ra team for certain things (Scarlet, maybe?).

or wujing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 18, 2015, 08:02:51 PM
If I was playing Ra I probably wouldn't have needed the help. Skyfalling into a full Ra activation is pretty unlikely. Then again, there is the whole "cheating bitch" factor to account for...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 19, 2015, 03:28:52 AM
True Endless No Awakenings cleared

thank you radra active
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 19, 2015, 06:34:58 AM
Just now I did my first coop dungeon with Thaws!

(http://i.imgur.com/gM8FhVl.png)

We'll do better next time, maybe! Thaws doesn't have any subs with 2x SBR. In retrospect, it might have been better for me to have A.Susano instead of him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 19, 2015, 06:37:20 AM
Co-op dungeons look really fun. But aside from Matsy and Aoshi with Sakuya, I don't know who I can effectively partner up with...

Aaahhh

Also I wonder how it works if one partner swaps leaders mid dungeon (Beyzuuuuul).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 19, 2015, 06:43:44 AM
Co-op dungeons look really fun. But aside from Matsy and Aoshi with Sakuya, I don't know who I can effectively partner up with...

Shit got real when we reached Kali, who has 7M more HP than she normally does (37M total). I had previously needed to use A.Meimei to bring up my A.Freyja on DQ Hera since I wanted to use her enhance on Kali, and she wasn't up yet - skills of your team only charge after your own turn. I accidentally only did a 5-combo on DQ Hera, but the resulting Dark orbs was enough to give Thaws a really good Liu Bei board which let him do a little under 30M total damages as through the 50% shield, Kali had a little bit over 50% HP remaining.

We ended up getting heart-starved and also Thaws made us get skill-bind. Not that it mattered anyways, since our actives were exhausted. It's great fun though! Very tense.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Thaws on November 19, 2015, 06:46:07 AM
Just now I did my first coop dungeon with Thaws!

(http://i.imgur.com/gM8FhVl.png)

We'll do better next time, maybe! Thaws doesn't have any subs with 2x SBR. In retrospect, it might have been better for me to have A.Susano instead of him.

Well we didn't do any initial planning except "bastet godrush ok?" :v
We got pretty far though! Reached DKali pretty smoothly :) We probably need more damage reductions for stalling on kalis. They hit wayyy too hard. haha
Co-op is really great fun :) It's weird how intense it can get even though it's 0 stam when you know your play affects both you and your partner

also Thaws made us get skill-bind.
welp
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 19, 2015, 07:12:25 AM
ult rozuel announced, with tripledongs added like the rest of archangels v2
She is the only one with a row heal instead of a heart orb enhance, though.

I wonder why people think she's garbage tier. With 3620 HP she's pretty damn bulky, and if you choose to lead with her and red attackers she compensates for that 0 RCV fairly easily (and +99 RCV goes a long way on her).
She's bulky. She has 1600+ ATK with tripledongs. She makes heart orbs pretty often and she's an unbindable cleric. It seems like she does a bit of everything fairly well, but isn't the best at any one role.
Amenouzume heals binds immediately but doesn't have the offensive oomph and who plays red Balanced?
Hinokagutsuchi is a glorified, 8 cd water>fire conversion. Hits about as hard though.
Set is cool but has kinda bad awoken skills aside from tripledongs. And a long active skill.
Other red heartmakers are... Yamato Takeru? Gadius. Urd? Kiriko? Does she even count?

Seems a lot of people like to knock against Archangels v2 but Rozuel and Ariel seem so -spammable- when they lead.

at any rate

who wants to co-op with me when it arrives in NA? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 19, 2015, 08:54:39 AM
In JP, to celebrate 60M (6000万) downloads total of all GungHo apps.

There's an event, total of 60000 Pal Points (6000 per day for 10 days), 10 stones, PCGF

And descend challenge which had 30 descends in them. O_O
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 19, 2015, 08:58:39 AM
who wants to co-op with me when it arrives in NA? :V

I'll gladly play with whoever provided we can figure out teams. Be warned though, I will fuck it up and be a disappointment

Sounds like a blast though. Is there a restriction on how often you can play?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 19, 2015, 09:02:14 AM
Sounds like a blast though. Is there a restriction on how often you can play?

The alpha test for coop dungeons has all of them set to 0 Stamina cost with no rewards.

So they seem to behave just like regular dungeons.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 19, 2015, 12:10:53 PM
So I've been collaborating with a friend on the notion of a team that is, at full potential, capable of surviving pretty much anything. The overall idea involved combining Awoken Leilan, Pure Machina, and wood resist awakenings/latents.

This is my take on the concept. (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=2073.99.1.99.99.99.8..1956.99.1.99.99.99.8..2389.99.1.99.99.99.9..2294.99.1.99.99.99.5..657.99.1.99.99.99.4..2073.99.1.99.99.99.8)

Awoken Leilan/Awoken Parvati/Awoken Sakuya/Pure Machina/Indra

Pros:
- 100% skill bind resist (Leilan, Sakuya, Indra)
- 51% Fire/Wood/Light resistance (Leilan)
- Can change any enemy to wood; equates to resistance and damage enhancement (Pure Machina)
- Bindproof bind removal (Sakuya)
- Bindproof heartmaker for emergency healing and heart row bind removal on a fast cooldown (Parvati)
- Anti-boardfuck, for situations like Beelzebub's poison board
- Pre-emptive attack resistance (Indra)
- +3 second time extend (everyone)
- 5 fire rows, Sakuya has a TPA, and Parvati has 2 TPA. Fairly decent damage when needed!

Cons:
- No delay resistance
- No wood resist awakenings (I could potentially drop Parvati for Dark Skydragon Horai, however)
- 20-25 wood resist latents are going to take a long time to collect, but even at default the team would be basically as if it had Susano running at all times-- in fact better, at 51%.
- Welcome back to flampy hell!
- I have to be able to survive 8 turns before Pure is ready at the very start of the dungeon. Can be reduced if I pop ROdin or something in.
- Very slow fighting style, despite its stability-- must stall 15 turns for Pure to be ready again
- I really don't want to give Sakuya all wood resist latents. To be honest, I'd probably be fine with 76% wood resistance. At full +HP max this team has 26,766 HP, so even at 76% resistance I could survive a 111,516 damage attack with 1 HP remaining. And in the ridiculous circumstance that I'd ever have to survive more than that, Indra can increase that resistance up to 94% for 3 turns, giving me the potential to survive up to 446,083 damage. So yeah, I think I'd be okay.


So I pondered over this. I have Awoken Leilan, Awoken Sakuya, Awoken Parvati, and Indra. Parvati and Sakuya are hypermax. Indra needs just one or two more skillups. Leilan needs all of hers, but I could farm jewels for that. All I really need is Pure and 5 flampy. I have around 180k MP left after buying Yomi Dragon.

I thought I'd sleep on it, but that's boring.

I pay a farewell to my dupe Skuld, an indifferent goodbye to my dupe Kushinada, and an eyerolled good riddance to Laila/Leeza/S H A R O N.

(http://i.imgur.com/eaYny2q.png)

Hello, my dear.


(http://i.imgur.com/g7aWdLI.png)

The project begins.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 19, 2015, 01:16:24 PM
None of my teams would work with like anybody so don't co-op with me guys

ult rozuel announced, with tripledongs added like the rest of archangels v2
She is the only one with a row heal instead of a heart orb enhance, though.

I wonder why people think she's garbage tier.

People really just say she sucks because she got an active that's basically the same as a Guard Stance, and people are offended because the last pantheon god to get a "vanilla" skill like that was Parvati, and people expect a lot more these days. They're not even going to look at something that's basically a 2013 active despite all the possible interactions.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 19, 2015, 02:51:13 PM
Rozuel was "garbage tier" because she was a guard stance heartmaker with 0 RCV, which was uh... kind of a weird decision.

But to call her garbage regardless is dumb because it's fucking GUARD STANCE

I don't think many people understand just how stupendous a 5 turn heartmaker is until they wind up needing one. It's just that the vast majority of monsters with that skill are very weak and squishy. Parvati/Rozuel/Sopdet are not.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 19, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
What's more is that she fills an amazing niche for a number of Red cards, many of whom don't even give a shit about her low RCV.

Gadius teams love the on-demand burst from her TPA (despite being row-focused) and light->heart is stellar and works with his active in case insufficient hearts are spawned.  Plus he has RCV out the ass anyway.

She has great synergy with A.Shiva, who enhances hearts and has an RCV multiplier to boot.

I'm not sure how many people still run Urd teams but she's an obvious fit there.

HEY GUYS I HEARD SHIVADRA IS PRETTY GOOD GUESS WHO WORKS REALLY WELL WITH HIM

Awoken Freyr is similarly self-explanatory.  He's basically got a better version of Ronia's leaderskill and is basically awesome in general, though we don't have him yet.

And then she's not a lead, many red teams use Femme and the synergy there is self-explanatory, especially for TPA-focused red teams.

Edit: And she has 3700 HP?  On an attacker?  The only red attackers with higher HP are godfest exclusives, collab golds, or awoken evos.  And even then there's not many.  (I guess Surtr too but I suspect most people just use him as Freyr fodder)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 19, 2015, 05:38:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eRWLO3Z.jpg)

Ronia confirmed for the new 3DS game. I wonder why they picked her, specifically...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 19, 2015, 07:36:15 PM
Aaaah oh no too much to do starting tomorrow. I guess I gotta alternate Eva Collab and latent farming depending on how badly I want the latent of a given day. Right now I immediately want five RCV and three HP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 20, 2015, 04:00:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/9avY2RGl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9avY2RG.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0gaLFPTl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0gaLFPT.jpg)

I still don't know how this worked.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 20, 2015, 04:03:00 AM
Yeah, no luck s-ranking with Ra yet. A lot of it just comes down to whether or not Ramiel spawns on certain floors. I've had a few times where I would have made it if I had popped an active to one-shot it on the first or second floor, but at that point it's just down to whether I get decent Ra boards every turn after that. I'll probably get there eventually, but so far nothing yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 20, 2015, 04:58:53 AM
Had an awesome moment in Dragon Rush where Zaerogoo's wtfdark skyfalls gibbed Fatty Dragon without popping Persephone.

(http://imgur.com/CQtleKh.jpg)

I'm unsure why this can't happen more frequently.

Dragon Challenge is clear, though. Got my stone and stuff. Cool.

Edit:
(http://imgur.com/KpySNeV.jpg)
What the FUCK is this level up shit and why am I not getting Pys for this?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 20, 2015, 01:58:19 PM
dear sopdet

pls die in a fire

sincerely, everyone


HOLY SHIT I SKYFALL LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING TIME

LITERALLY

EVERY

TIME

PLEASE DELETE THIS BITCH FROM THE GAME
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 20, 2015, 04:45:52 PM
Pleased to meet you too, first-floor-on-the-first-run HP Tamadra. Much pleased.

Once I figured out the ratio of Beyzul to Sun Quan active to rows that I need, I've got Sopdet down pretty consistently witb Gabe. But it takes him forever to do Griffin and Thoth, so it's a real tradeoff. Ugh. And of course I'm inevitably going to get fucked by skyfalls, even though I have wide margins right now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 20, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Blew about 11 stones on c8/9/10 because fuck this unfair level 1 bullshit.

No seriously, this was fucking stupid. Even if I could oneshot Satan and Beelzebub in 10, any attack from Athena could kill me and she has almost 9mil hp and she killed me because I undershot her and lost my Susano, and had to stone multiple times on Goemon's bullshit, too.

Nordis was not much better. Ugh.

Still, 90 +eggs is... Pretty on par for me at least for star vault standards. :s
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 20, 2015, 10:27:23 PM
wow give me inuyasha pls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 20, 2015, 10:28:43 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty thrilled that Indigo doesn't use that mechanic (the level up thing). Zaerogoo was legitimately one of the most enjoyable experiences I've had in a while because of how challenging but semi-fair I found him to be, but I'm getting tired of level dungeons.

Am I correct in assuming that 7x6 is, for the most part, a boon to the player rather than an obstacle like 5x4 or leveling? I haven't played with it a ton yet, but it seems like it's almost all upside. The main drawback I see is that natural rows are harder to make, but even row teams seem to come out on top because it's still easy to make a few with an obchange and they hit much, much harder.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 20, 2015, 11:22:56 PM
7x6 is a blast, yeah. A little difficult to manage at first, but it's way easier to do big combos.

The only real negative for it is that rows take one more orb and therefore can be harder to do, but honestly rows suffer on both 7x6 and 5x4. On 5x4 rows are fantastically good, but resource management is way harder.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 20, 2015, 11:55:53 PM
hey mats

(http://i.imgur.com/82MV6Y1.jpg)

give me that gold star
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 21, 2015, 01:34:03 AM
rabbit salt at another 'kiriko but lit. better' active: p. high

gungho does this mean you're going to buff her next time SB comes around now....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 21, 2015, 02:29:57 AM
"No, I'M not even going to wait 1 turn."
(http://i.imgur.com/ayTaXor.png)


fun dungeon
(http://i.imgur.com/joQHsqc.png)


ez ston
(http://i.imgur.com/R3XZnlM.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 21, 2015, 02:35:44 AM
>4 OE morgiana

i'm ded goodbye friends
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 21, 2015, 02:37:35 AM
Yup, very manageable. The big board is fun to play with and makes stalling just about anywhere a breeze. And most of the enemies take a turn to do something non-damaging when they hit low HP, which makes them not very threatening despite all of the big HP numbers. Pretty fun, would like to see more dungeons like this in future.

Although no matter how many times I fight Amon that pre-emptive always surprises me. I'm always like "WHAT, WHAT KILLED ME?!" but then I realize it was just gravity. Every single time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 21, 2015, 05:16:29 AM
Skillbound through 80% SBR

15m+ hp belial

Sorry dude you're going to give me as many turns as I want whether you like it or not

(http://i.imgur.com/aVTav8B.png) (http://i.imgur.com/09FhCJF.png) (http://i.imgur.com/xMF5wIb.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 21, 2015, 06:13:34 AM
Indigo was amusing and fun.  Blind cleared both difficulties because why not?  Poor Indigo herself never got to do anything to me outside of her pre-emp either time because she's got no status shield and 7x6 means her HP was basically like tissue paper for me.

These Challenge Dungeons, though...Holy crap all the purple forever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 21, 2015, 06:17:08 AM
(http://imgur.com/2KIAopo.jpg)

Zaerogoo works fantastic here.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 21, 2015, 02:17:39 PM
Guys, i need an honest opinion. Thank to the snow globe reward, i can maxlevel one between Ra and Amaterasu. Don't know which one i should choose.....

Ra will 100% become Awoken Ra, but despite having 2 Lkali i miss DKali, Susanoo, Sun Quan, Isis.... basically i don't know if i have the subs to make a stable team.

Amaterasu..... i still don't know if i will make her Awoken or Attackerasu. Awoken is clearly superior, but Attackerasu is THE bind clearer sub for Sephiroth/Levi teams (since they need Attackers, the team is low in RCV and the most difficult color to cover is Red)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 21, 2015, 03:42:56 PM
What an asskicking, what an asskicking!

(http://i.imgur.com/L45pUQa.png) (http://i.imgur.com/QQY085V.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ljKvk2W.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ixaTlQt.png) (http://i.imgur.com/3mDp77W.png)

I beat it in one try that means its ez right guiz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 21, 2015, 04:03:07 PM
I've had two different people tell me today that they're sure Gabriel's new form is a woman. What do you guys think? I'm still pretty sure he's not, but I suppose there's s bit more room for debate than there was last time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 21, 2015, 04:55:05 PM
Technically iirc angels actually have no gender so uh idk

but in pad lore gabe is a boy he's just a very very pretty boy :*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 21, 2015, 07:16:05 PM
Technically a lot of things. I think the fact that some of them have breasts and others don't maybe precludes in PAD's crazy mythology. But maybe not though, who knows.

Also wasn't it one of the major angels (was it actually Gabriel?) who impregnated Mary on behalf of God? Or am I confusing the bible with Hellblazer again? Not that that definitively proves anything either, but it seems like some angels have an awful lot of gendered traits for being genderless.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 21, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Beats me.

Still, it's not like PAD is true to the stories anyway, or else Noah wouldn't be a cute girl so huge that arks are like ping pong balls to her.

Speaking of!

(http://i.imgur.com/dEj43KF.png)

Biggest blue. :*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 21, 2015, 07:29:22 PM
Enjoy your six digit HP totals if you double her up, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 21, 2015, 07:30:21 PM
angels are whatever they want to be probably

as such gabriel chooses to take the line and put it over there whenever they wish while lucifer wants to be a bishounen
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Thaws on November 21, 2015, 07:32:01 PM
The whole angels 1.0 series was in the Boy's gacha in some point in time in JP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 21, 2015, 07:45:04 PM
The whole angels 1.0 series was in the Boy's gacha in some point in time in JP.
Now if only they'd also show up in a girls-only one, just to screw with people.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 21, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
The whole angels 1.0 series was in the Boy's gacha in some point in time in JP.

I'll take that as relatively definitive proof.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on November 22, 2015, 04:29:34 AM
My team of choice for tackling Indigo. Yes, it's grindy, but it gets the job done.

(http://i.imgur.com/mzasuAS.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/FLKMbQb.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 22, 2015, 05:33:39 AM
My team of choice for tackling Indigo. Yes, it's grindy, but it gets the job done.

(http://i.imgur.com/mzasuAS.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/FLKMbQb.png)

Nice to see people actually using Noah!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 22, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
Both days that I've decided to farm for latents so far have given me one on the first run. And more after that so far, but hey, I'll take that.

Eva collab skillups so far have been weird though. Out of ~30-40 feeds I've only gotten three skillups, and two of them were on Misato. And she already had some from Flampys. In a way that's kind of good because she is the most important one, but once she maxes out farming for the others becomes much less appealing because that gives me a chance for wasted runs. And given that Asuka is still at her starting skill level, that could end up being a lot of wasted runs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 22, 2015, 06:44:48 PM
ive run eva like 10 times and got not a single asuka DROP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Tea Devil on November 22, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
I'm not even sure why I put stones into the eva collab. I don't care about the series and both times, I got Mari. Feels like I should've saved up for player's choice and maybe I'd get a Susano, who certainly could replace liu bei.

Maybe one of these days, I'll buy like five stones so I can actually have the space to keep all these materials.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 22, 2015, 09:45:49 PM
I'm not even sure why I put stones into the eva collab. I don't care about the series and both times, I got Mari. Feels like I should've saved up for player's choice and maybe I'd get a Susano, who certainly could replace liu bei.

Maybe one of these days, I'll buy like five stones so I can actually have the space to keep all these materials.
We're getting stones from the event and from stream rewards. Spend those instead!  = )

Also protip:  Collab REMs are suffering.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 22, 2015, 09:46:28 PM
Screwed up the kill screenshot, but Indigo Mythical 0-stoned with Luci/Z&H/Z&H/Grape Dragon/Doomsday/Luci. Helped that Doomsday was in the team at all, given all the poison and jammers thrown at you in that dungeon, plus knowing thresholds:

-- Ars Paulina dies at 29% with all actives
-- Belial dies at 38% with all actives, or 21% if I want to save a Z&H for...
-- ...Amon, who dies at 56% with one Z&H + both Morning Stars. Because Indigo has a damage-dealing preemptive, better to use them at 60% and heal up.
-- Indigo is in kill range with all actives pretty much as soon as she starts using Super Snowstorm.

Wonder what I'll use her for; that LS is very much a thing I'd like to take for a spin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 22, 2015, 09:50:31 PM
Yeah, I really wanna find some blue devils to run with because she sounds super fun.  Like a weaker but less orbtrollable version of what I use now but sadly I only have part of a team.  Need two more water cards who are both devil and orb changer so I can keep ammo flowing...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 22, 2015, 10:26:29 PM
5x4 True Endless cleared

just one more to goooo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 23, 2015, 05:01:52 AM
...oh i forgot about indigo

guess i'll clear mythical next time she comes

belatedly for jp, got morgiana, skill maxed morgiana

now if only i got alibaba too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 23, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
holy Goemon STILL HITS FOR 25k IN CHALLENGE MODE despite you only having like 18k hp thanks to leveling...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 23, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
holy Goemon STILL HITS FOR 25k IN CHALLENGE MODE despite you only having like 18k hp thanks to leveling...

use indra/susano ezpz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 23, 2015, 04:51:45 PM
use indra
:matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl: :matsuriscowl:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 23, 2015, 05:49:47 PM
Low cost teams are pretty interesting in this challenge set.

(http://imgur.com/e9yXBvh.jpg)

Cloud and Arthur gained 98 levels from killing Sopdet alone

Medjedra swapped my Cloud with Ariel, which was fortunate as I still had just enough HP to survive a Medjedra The End.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on November 23, 2015, 11:03:45 PM
Low cost teams are pretty interesting in this challenge set.

(http://imgur.com/e9yXBvh.jpg)

Cloud and Arthur gained 98 levels from killing Sopdet alone

Medjedra swapped my Cloud with Ariel, which was fortunate as I still had just enough HP to survive a Medjedra The End.

And I was wondering why Nephthys got 79 levels after clearing floor 1 of lv 4.
The Level curve is great for the low cost stuff, especially some of some collab pulls

this LV 7 was way easier than the last ones.
Isis took me something like 30 turns to kill, didn't get any dark skyfall :V but she can't kill me either.
Medjed swaped in Pandora for Neph, 1 shot :)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 23, 2015, 11:09:46 PM
I just appreciate how all the team members got to level 99 by the end of the dungeon, except Valkyrie Rose who didn't get past 30

Fucking slacker.

I imagine that an ideal Kiriko or Cloud team could handle 9 and 10 like they were any other ordinary dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 23, 2015, 11:40:04 PM
7 star vault runs

8 +eggs...

10x descends wwhhhheeeeeerrrrrreeeeeee
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 23, 2015, 11:47:08 PM
I imagine that an ideal Kiriko or Cloud team could handle 9 and 10 like they were any other ordinary dungeon.

c10 values don't actually appear to be changed for level dungeon nonsense, so infact, you still have to chew through SATAN at lv.1 at regular stats

i don't think cloud would be that poor off but kiriko is gonna have to still do work
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 24, 2015, 12:14:30 AM
Christ, how rare is the Eva Collab invade? I forgot he was even in there until I saw him on like my 50th run. Good thing he's not good for anything, because anybody trying to farm him would be in trouble.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 24, 2015, 01:39:50 AM
5/28 LZL (max)
5/31 raphael (Lv6)
3/19 red riding hood (lv4)
5/16 famiel (max)
0/7 keiji maeda

yes, i haven't max skilled Raphael after 59 fucking runs of this doge dragon dungeon

not to mention you have to put up with PRE EMPTIVE SPAM:

(http://i.imgur.com/fPoBKZV.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 24, 2015, 01:44:34 AM
So I didn't know what to do with my stamina and things happened

(http://i.imgur.com/xTmFiza.png) (http://i.imgur.com/m6IjF9X.png) (http://i.imgur.com/iD2Znhg.png)

#balancedtype
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on November 24, 2015, 04:01:37 AM
Didn't realize there was a Fagan dungeon at the end of Technicals. Time to go clear those things I've been neglecting forever.

Also are spirit jewel invades always a thing on mythical dungeons or do I have to wait until the pdx page mentions them? Because I'm going to need a crapton for A. Kirin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 24, 2015, 04:08:07 AM
Spirit Jewels are only up when pdx mentions them, right now it's Latent Tamas invading.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 24, 2015, 04:15:39 AM
Worth noting that spirit jewels get thrown at us like candy during some events though, so racking up huge piles of them isn't hard if you wait a little while.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 24, 2015, 04:18:40 AM
You can also get them whenever "______ Challenge" dungeons are up, if you can beat the associated dungeons.  (i.e. Devil Challenge, Hera Challenge, etc), and given we've been glutted with constant barrages of varying challenge dungeons and the like recently you shouldn't need to worry TOO much.

Worst case scenario if you're referring to light jewels to try to skillmax her, you can always use Shynpy.  I believe we're getting one sometime soon as a result of the stream?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 24, 2015, 05:10:47 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUjVBdPUEAM-F6R.jpg:large)

help
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 24, 2015, 05:30:43 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/669021231643922432

Nice.

Now give the other archdemons some love too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 24, 2015, 05:33:02 AM
>Belial, Baal, and Amon don't even have TWO ults
>Give Astaroth an Awoken form

Yeah, that's fair. 

/me shakes head in disbelief
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on November 24, 2015, 10:40:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUjVBdPUEAM-F6R.jpg:large)

help

For some reason, the first thing I had to think about was this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rigxc8puTts
(Translations of the Lyrics (http://lyricstranslate.com/en/Emanuela-Emanuela.html))
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 24, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
wow in the end Isis and Indra got last place because of all the last minute shenanigans >_>

and 11-30th place are separated by just 5 votes

at least we didnt vote in ronia

meanwhile jp did lmao
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 24, 2015, 02:20:06 PM
Where are the results? Did Andro get in?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 24, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
sorry nope

1   867   [1587] Goddess of Power, Kali
2   498   [1585] Goddess of Secrets, Kali
3   486   [140] Yomi
4   481   [2147] Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna
5   409   [494] Bastet
6   407   [138] Amaterasu
7   363   [751] Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya
8   356   [236] Shiva
9   346   [1107] Phantom God, Odin
10   321   [496] Ra
11   315   [136] Susano
12   314   [753] Incarnation of Byakko, Haku
13   314   [803] Kushinadahime
14   314   [1235] Liu Bei
15   314   [807] Okuninushi
16   314   [1233] Sun Quan
17   313   [128] Venus
18   313   [642] Dark Angel Metatron
19   313   [2149] Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki
20   313   [132] Kagutsuchi
21   312   [2145] Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede
22   312   [749] Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei
23   312   [1671] The Norn Verdandi
24   312   [2272] Akechi Mitsuhide
25   312   [1073] Pandora
26   312   [370] Idunn&Idunna
27   311   [242] Indra
28   311   [492] Isis
29   311   [1231] Cao Cao
30   311   [1334] Vishnu
RIP 31   310   [364] Odin, the War Deity
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 24, 2015, 03:26:39 PM
Bleh. I don't care about almost any of that. Might do a couple of pulls for poor self control, but I don't plan to spend all of my stones.

Good for Okuninushi though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 24, 2015, 03:29:52 PM
Wow. My vote for I&I stopped a five way tie between the last five slots.

Kinda surprised how down to the wire the stragglers get
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 24, 2015, 03:34:02 PM
Hooray, Susano got in >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 24, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Wow. My vote for I&I stopped a five way tie between the last five slots.

Kinda surprised how down to the wire the stragglers get

Yeah, the number of people who vote in these is surprisingly tiny, isn't it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 24, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
Mmhhhh, i miss 12 out of 30.... Guess i'll roll till i get a gold egg and stop.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 24, 2015, 04:28:45 PM
Meh, just gimme Christmas REM, haha.  I dont have enough stones anyway for this so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: triangles on November 24, 2015, 05:24:25 PM
>Belial, Baal, and Amon don't even have TWO ults
>Give Astaroth an Awoken form

Yeah, that's fair. 

/me shakes head in disbelief

waifu power 3strong5me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 24, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
waifu power 3strong5me

I imagine they'll just give them super ults (which have more awakenings than awokens) to even the field a bit.

Also means they'll eventually get to have awokens when the game is further along, so a benefit in the end :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 24, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
Bleh, Raphael didn't make it. Ah well.

Super excited for Astaroth though. Hope she's good!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 24, 2015, 07:34:09 PM
almost 950 days into this game

and ive finally max skilled an ultra gravity
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 02:38:19 AM
Are there plans for us to get farmable resistance latents at any point? I'm filling in the missing latent slots on my Gabriel team and it's been my plan for a while to give Sun Quan rainbow resists, since he's on two of my teams. Do I have to shell out MP for those, or can I get them from somewhere else at any point?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 25, 2015, 03:38:43 AM
Are there plans for us to get farmable resistance latents at any point? I'm filling in the missing latent slots on my Gabriel team and it's been my plan for a while to give Sun Quan rainbow resists, since he's on two of my teams. Do I have to shell out MP for those, or can I get them from somewhere else at any point?
I think certain descends get 5x4 coin versions eventually.  I believe Hera-Ur's gives fire for example.  Not sure though, only recall mention of them vaguely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 25, 2015, 05:07:04 AM
Are there plans for us to get farmable resistance latents at any point? I'm filling in the missing latent slots on my Gabriel team and it's been my plan for a while to give Sun Quan rainbow resists, since he's on two of my teams. Do I have to shell out MP for those, or can I get them from somewhere else at any point?

They're actually in the very next rotation! (starting with hera-ur/fire)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 25, 2015, 07:56:13 AM
incoming buffs for some monster.

Nep ult is the same treatment as Hathor ult.

Awoken Astaroth:

Gains 1 green row (total 3), unbindable, SBR

AS is now 7 max CD, changes fire/poison/jammer to Wood.
LS is now pseudo-Hero style (connect 6+ wood orbs for x3 ATK) but has a passive ATK/HP boost to Devils and Healers.

[15:59:56] <Sapz> DID I CALL THAT OR WHAT
[16:00:21] <Sapz> [20:30] <Sapz> Actually what I'd really like for them is 3 rows, 2 skill boosts, 1 skillbind, unbindable, that'd be awesome
[16:00:21] <Sapz> [20:30] <Sapz> I dunno if that's too strong
[16:03:15] <trance|work> sapz confirmed prophet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 25, 2015, 09:46:06 AM
Promising. Very promising. She is compatible with:

Parvati and Ceres wonder combo
Mikey's super ult
Her past forms
Kushi
Awoken Freyja

Man

I'm stoked.

Astaroth/Michael/Freyja/flex/flex

Parvati, Ceres, Kushi, Astaroth, Sasuke, whoever else needed can fit in flex.

With Mikey, Awoken Astaroth leads, and Awoken Freyja, I have full skillbind proof, 12 rows, and 2 turns of 2x atk for all wood and dark.

Glorious.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 25, 2015, 01:15:25 PM
Holy mother of big updates o__o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 25, 2015, 01:55:13 PM
DMeta, Guan Yus, Zhuge Liangs, heart OEs...sheesh, you aren't kidding!

EDIT: Unbindable fairytale girls, too.  Can't forget those even if I dont use em myself.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 02:28:21 PM
With her new row Snow White is actually a legit-ass situation Gabriel sub. There are times when I need to bind clear but I don't want to use a Metatron friend, and Snow White is very passable in the Ruka slot now.

I think I... Have to at least consider eventually hypermaxing her now. After all, she is sort of on two of my teams after this buff.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 03:39:19 PM
Wow, looks like every single one of my hypermax Awoken Ra friends is gone. Most of them switched to Ra Dragon.

I've been trying not to be crazy about the fact that I invested heavily in Awoken Ra and he got instantly and massively outclassed by Ra Dragon, but the fact that I can't even use Awoken Ra right now because he's seemingly been completely abandoned by everyone else is making that hard.

So now that Ra Dragon has been out for a while and some of you use him, what do you think? Does Awoken Ra still hold up, or is he just completely outclassed now?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 25, 2015, 03:51:42 PM
If you have RaDra, he basically dunks ARa in every way I'm pretty sure, right?

If you can match every color you get 20.25x vs ARa getting 25x, but then the additional conditions push it to 144x vs ARa's 100x, and RaDra has the advantage of TPAs to make him even STRONGER, effectively becoming 324x vs the still 100x.  It's terribly stupid, but...:whale dragon:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 25, 2015, 03:54:51 PM
I know very little about A.Ra and even less about that crime against PAD that is Ra Dragon but does leading with both suck so bad?

The biggest part of their multipliers have almost the same condition, the static part of Radra and the x2 of A.Ra affect both so aren't they viable as mixed leaders?

P.S. Thanks to the best single run of King Carnival ever I'm now literally one Dub-sapphilit away from A.Sakuya  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 25, 2015, 04:01:39 PM
ARa/RaDra mix doesnt work unless you have DKalis instead of LKalis

at which point you might as well go full RaDra
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 25, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
I know very little about A.Ra and even less about that crime against PAD that is Ra Dragon but does leading with both suck so bad?

The biggest part of their multipliers have almost the same condition, the static part of Radra and the x2 of A.Ra affect both so aren't they viable as mixed leaders?

P.S. I'm literally one Dub-sapphilit away from A.Sakuya  :V
You get less of a base mult with raDra unless you activate his FULL LS though, so to deal the damage you want you have to play a stricter lead than ARa, but for less-than-worthy returns.

Wheras double ARa gives 25x(100x for active use), ARa/RaDra gives only 22.5(45)x for the same work.

Meanwhile double RaDra gives you 64x(actually 144x after static LS boosts), the same work only provides 60(120)x for ARa/RaDra.

So basically you called it: crime against PAD.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 04:16:05 PM
The biggest advantage that I see Awoken Ra having is his compatibility with white Kali/Kalloween. I can make up for some of the prong deficit that ARa has by using subs with two prongs instead of one like black Kali has. Five Colored Alchemy creates less types of orbs than Orb Transformation does, which means a higher chance of getting four, seven, or eight white orbs.

For DRAgon users, how often do you pop a Kali active and get only three white orbs? I don't remember that happening often when I used black Kali, but it did happen occasionally.

I think ARa has a few tiny upsides over DRAgon, but mostly I'm feeling like the game is shitting on my one attempt to be a metagaming s-tier coolguy by immediately slapping me down with "lol at commandercool's shitty poverty version of what a real tryhard team looks like". Not a greeeat feeling.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 25, 2015, 04:19:10 PM
As someone who uses ASaku, Ra who? ^^;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Oh, is she just a strictly better version of him too? I admit I haven't looked that closely at her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 25, 2015, 04:27:21 PM
Oh, is she just a strictly better version of him too? I admit I haven't looked that closely at her.
Usual Sakuya LGRB 25x, now with increasing power from 6c up to 100x at 10c, I believe.

I picture somethimg like LKali/Elia/LValk(or lvalk if one is fortunate enough to own her)/flex is probably pretty busted.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 25, 2015, 04:44:58 PM
A.Ra's one advantage is his active. It's situational but in those specific situations it's really good (like vs Parvati+Shiva combo in the previous C10)

Other than that though yeah rip
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 25, 2015, 05:02:01 PM
I suppose ARa's ability to use LKali could be more of a boon than one thinks, too, since she is light primary vs DKali being, well, -D-Kali.  The abandonment of ARa is a big problem though for reasons I already went inti, unless I'm wrong(not owning either of em I dunno if I know what I'm talking about, ehe)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 25, 2015, 05:05:06 PM
Everyone is switching to Ra Dragon because everyone who ran A. Ra to begin with was probably a huge whale and already had a billion dkalis, and if you have that, then Ra Dragon is vastly superior, no contest.

EDIT: binds?? who cares!

(http://i.imgur.com/EOn57cq.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ioyoSPd.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 25, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
NewZL is pretty cray cray.

+297 leads aside, that's three light TPAs.

(http://imgur.com/F0vlOY4.jpg)

I need to get Elia up and running for this stuff srsly. Is it even worth using Sandalphon at that point?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 25, 2015, 05:32:22 PM
Oh, is she just a strictly better version of him too? I admit I haven't looked that closely at her.

Not directly. They're actually very similar and I just prefer Sakuya a lot more.

Realistically, Sakuya is kind of what you'd get when you marry Ra and Anubis together-- a 25x low multiplier that's easier than Ra's and 100x high maximum multiplier that's more forgiving than Anubis' since it gives you in-between multipliers if you don't hit the 10combo.

Sakuya's easier to hit her 25x with, but Ra's easier to hit 100x with.  But at the same time, Ra is either 1x/4x/25x/100x while Sakuya can be anywhere in between 1x/4x/25x/36x/49x/64x/81x/100x. Lots of chances to do great damage. See what I'm saying?

ASaku benefits from having a lot of utility and a more flexible team structure-- she doesn't need specific types like Ra does for his max potential. Granted, you can do likewise with Ra, but it's difficult to use him to full effectiveness without having fast actives-- you won't be getting any more than 25x without them.

Meanwhile, Sakuya is much more of a damage spectrum rather than Ra's binary "YES BIG DAMAGE" or "NOT BIG DAMAGE". It's easier and less resource-dependent to get her base 25x, and it's not at all very difficult to start bumping up the damage to 36x and 49x at 6c and 7c if you're packing time extends. Hitting the 64/81/100x multipliers often require a little extra luck or planning, but they're not limited by having to use your actives to get there, which lets you be a bit more flexible overall.

Sakuya also comes with built in bind removal/bind heal awakenings, and while they may be a use of precious gravity, it's so much nicer to have than not have. It's already saved my ass so many times, and I love her for it. People complain that it's counterproductive for her to waste a gravity for bind removal, but I say it's extra utility that means I don't need to slot Ceres or BMeta in, leaving me an extra space for a different stronger or bulkier utility. She just covers more of the playing field overall that way.

Sakuya's also got the gravity, which can definitely compensate for her less guaranteed damage. You can also strategically use them to break resolve, too. Damage the boss a little with x25 and then use the actives to break them under their percentage point so you can go in for the kill without having to risk triggering their resolve attack with an "unlucky" 100x.

However, she's not without drawbacks compared to ARa-- ARa's got a lot more HP and that goes a long way-- and his active is great for punching down stubborn high def enemies that require large combos from Sakuya. The time extend from that is also golden. ARa's damage is much easier to be guaranteed of, too-- you either have the big multiplier or you don't, and how and when that happens is up to you. Sakuya can hit it more consistently with luck and skill and timing, and can get in-between multipliers that Ra can't, but you can never be 100% certain of your odds of getting the multiplier you're aiming for, since perfect 10 combo boards are not the most common things ever. But still, reaching 64x-81x multiplier is also very respectable damage as well.

Ultimately it's a preference thing since they both can do roughly the same thing, but have different support needs. Sakuya needs support in the HP/damage reduction department because chances are your team will be pretty squishy, especially if you're loaded down with Kalis as healers. Thankfully, you can use Izanami or Susano or Indra or a Golem, etc and be fairly well covered there. She also greatly benefits from time extends/extend actives. I use ATsukuyomi for that. But the result is a team that's overall bindproof and skillbindproof with very flexible playing styles and fairly good RCV to keep the health up.

Ra is a more solid structure and doesn't have the same flexibility, and needs bind remover support (the ideal being Isis, of course) as well as someone with fast and disposable actives (also Isis), but hitting his maximum multiplier takes a lot less luck, time extends (5 combo vs 10 combo, no contest), and is a lot less prone to error for that reason.

That said, they're both good subs for each other, too. Sakuya brings great utility to Ra, and Ra brings bulk and time extend, as well as a nice pushbutton kill for stupid stubborn high def enemies.

They're both great, but my preference strongly sits with Sakuya for her flexibility and better sub pool. I think the quintessential "Ideal" Ra team is better overall though if you have all the pieces, since it takes way less effort to hit those big numbers because having 3 Kalis and an Isis means you're pretty much covered on all counts.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 06:23:42 PM
I have various comments about a lot of those responses that I'll get to when I'm not posting on my phone and can quote more easily. Until then, I have another question: Where does white Kali as a lead fit into all of this?

I have only a single Awoken Ra friend left, and he's not hypermax. Meanwhile I have like a dozen white Kali friends, most of them hypermax and many of them with whale shit* like rainbow resists or time extend latents. Is that because she has her own merits as a lead, or are the people still running her just doing it because they have nothing better? Kali is looking awful dated next to Sakuya lately, so am I overlooking something?

*I've noticed a trend among my IRL PAD friends (all of whom are on the casual side and ranked in the mid-200s) of aggressively buying latents. They have an attitude of "I'll never be able to afford anything big anyway so I might as well buy something I can use", so they all own handfuls of rainbow resists and time extend latents. So maybe expensive latent setups are not necessarily " whale shit", but maybe the opposite?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 25, 2015, 07:17:31 PM
LKali is worse as a leader because her role is supposed to be as a sub. Also she's not an awoken so you can't really compare since she's much easier to get for midgame players

Also latents may be farmable but holy shit I spent all of my stamina + 2 ranks ups on farming and got no invades so using MP doesn't seem so unreasonable to me anymore lol

Although in the long run yes they are still probably screwing themselves over unless they plan on whaling a few packs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 07:31:56 PM
There was a brief window where Kali was considered a legit lead, and that was even before her buff. I agree that her place seems to be as a sub, but all of these Kali friends I've got, some of them being fairly high-ranked, were making me question if she has some kind of amazing build I just wasn't aware of.

As for farming latents, I'm up to three this event out of probably 35-40 runs. So not amazing, but not horrendously bad like last time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 25, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
Nah some people just don't like switching mains

Like I still have a bunch of +297 BL Isis on my list
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 25, 2015, 07:42:32 PM
Batman Disruptor with a Zaerog8 friend lead may not be ideal, but oh man does it put out some hilarious fucking damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Thaws on November 25, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Raoh LS -> Attacker/Devil HP,ATK 1.5x, When connecting 4 orbs 2x, 5 orbs 2.5x, 6 orbs 3x.
Active (7 cd) -> Heart,Jammer,Poison -> Red, 1cd haste

Astaroth LS -> Healer/Devil HP,ATK increase (probably 1.3x), When connecting 6 orbs 3x.
Active (7cd) -> Red,Jammer,Poison -> Green, 4turn counter

what is balance
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 25, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
cute waifus are no match to the power of the FIST
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 08:24:09 PM
By that token, why are the Fist Of The North Star buffs massively larger than the Evangelion buffs? Why isn't Misato strictly better than comparable awoken gods, if we've decided that's part of collab golds now? Or Superman? Why is it only collabs I don't give a shit about that get the ridiculous buffs?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on November 25, 2015, 08:33:34 PM
NewZL is pretty cray cray.

+297 leads aside, that's three light TPAs.

(http://imgur.com/F0vlOY4.jpg)

I need to get Elia up and running for this stuff srsly. Is it even worth using Sandalphon at that point?

Wow, have to see if I might use mine for my light team. x25 doesn't sound bad, I wonder how high the damage is with chibi valk
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 25, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
Why is it only collabs I don't give a shit about that get the ridiculous buffs?

As of this moment you officially don't give a shit about FF and AoT collabs.

 :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
As of this moment you officially don't give a shit about FF and AoT collabs.

 :V

That's true, I really don't.

And as such I haven't really looked that closely at them, but their power level is noticeably lower than Dragon Ball and Fist Of The North Star, isn't it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 25, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Short answer: at the moment, yes.

FF have Cloud and his system, which is still quite viable. Sephiroth and Yuna are inferior, but all 3 still lack Uevos so i hope they will get good ones like FOTNS

AoT have Levi, which is a very good leader; Eren, that isn't bad for farming and is a red unbindable bind-clearer; Mikasa, that is very similar to A.Shiva, albeit weaker and with less choice of subs and Armin (silver egg), that is basically Phoenix Rider with different colors.
Levi and Eren already have Uevos, Mikasa don't.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
Alright, I've managed to get through floors eight and nine of Challenge Dungeon with just two stones so far. Both of them were on floor nine, and one of them was because I didn't read Nordis' ten million attacks correctly, brought Kalloween instead of black Kali, and got bound by him. Then again without her I probably wouldn't have been able to kill him in one shot when I did get unbound since she did like half the damage by herself, but anyway, two stones is not bad. Now the question is whether it's worth my time to do floor ten. Assuming I play flawlessly and don't have exceptionally bad luck at any point I can probably get by with three more stones. Five stones total for 90 +eggs is... Fine I guess. If I did a REM pull and a +90 Flampy popped out I would probably be pretty goddamn happy, but this will also have cost me 270 stamina. So assuming that my time isn't worth anything this isn't a great deal compared to farming boosted Ocean Of Heaven. But my time is worth something, and I suppose so is the experience of beating very hard dungeons, even if I do have to cheat with continues to do it. Might as well finish it up. Although I'm already envisioning myself fucking up terribly and ending up dumping like ten stones into this, because once I'm invested with a few I know sunk cost fallacy won't let me quit.

Everyone is switching to Ra Dragon because everyone who ran A. Ra to begin with was probably a huge whale and already had a billion dkalis, and if you have that, then Ra Dragon is vastly superior, no contest.

You really think so? Is Awoken Ra a whale lead? The way I see it he's relatively flexible aside from badly wanting two white Kalis. And of the people I know who play PAD IRL, every single one of them has pulled at least two white Kalis. If you play long enough and aren't unlucky you just naturally start to rack up duplicate special gods. His optimal team is pretty rough, granted, but I think you could totally get away with farmable subs past the Kalis. Technically you probably don't even need them, although he becomes extremely unreliable without them.

Thesis on Ra and Sakuya

That makes a lot of sense. Utility is extremely attractive, but if someone offered me the chance to trade out my heavily invested Ra team for a heavily invested Sakuya team right now based on what you said here I wouldn't do it. Ra is just very reliable, and playing with something less reliable sounds like a tradeoff I'm not willing to make, even if she is massively more flexible. But I can completely see why some people would want to make that tradeoff, which seems like good game design. Meanwhile Ra Dragon is just infinibetter, which reads to me as trashy game design that's below the standard that I expect from PAD.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 25, 2015, 10:11:23 PM
Optimal Awoken Ra team has a lot of GFEs, but I suspect you could come up with a perfectly effective one for high-level descends with mostly farmable stuff and non-GFEs.

Edit: So no, I don't think he's a whale lead per se.  He has a pretty high skill cap which is partially abated by Kali presence, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 25, 2015, 10:51:04 PM
One relatively untapped part of Awoken Ra's mechanics is that he's very compatible with heartbreakers. I could see a low-REM Ra team involving Rose kicking some significant ass even without the prongs subtheme that Ra is sort of known for.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 26, 2015, 04:15:35 AM
God dammit I'm ready to try Challenge 10 but I don't have any Ra frieeeeeends!

I made that call to swap Izanami in for the black slot so that maybe I can take Goemon's preemptive, but I'm not even sure what level I'll be when I get to him so I don't know how much HP I'll even have.

Edit: Okay, found one by refreshing the unregistered friends over and over. And then I got to Athena and she used Storm Punisher on me four times in a row, I lost three stones and all of my actives, and then I gave up in frustration without even winning because I was so pissed off after the third time. This isn't fun, it's just the game cheating to bleed stones out of me.

Edit edit: Went in with a non-hyper Ra because I was so mad at this dungeon that I had to beat it at any cost, got horrific luck on every conceivable enemy attack, finished it having lost ten stones total today. Not worth it at all. Fuck me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 26, 2015, 07:11:40 AM
God dammit I'm ready to try Challenge 10 but I don't have any Ra frieeeeeends!

I made that call to swap Izanami in for the black slot so that maybe I can take Goemon's preemptive, but I'm not even sure what level I'll be when I get to him so I don't know how much HP I'll even have.

Edit: Okay, found one by refreshing the unregistered friends over and over. And then I got to Athena and she used Storm Punisher on me four times in a row, I lost three stones and all of my actives, and then I gave up in frustration without even winning because I was so pissed off after the third time. This isn't fun, it's just the game cheating to bleed stones out of me.

Edit edit: Went in with a non-hyper Ra because I was so mad at this dungeon that I had to beat it at any cost, got horrific luck on every conceivable enemy attack, finished it having lost ten stones total today. Not worth it at all. Fuck me.

cmon man you know better than this
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 26, 2015, 09:43:01 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/669811688246411265

Awoken Freyja has a partner now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 26, 2015, 10:42:08 AM
I was just thinking yesterday that we had no green dragonbound yet.

...

Is it me, or did they basically just edit an old Sakuya sprite for Sylvie? <_<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 26, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
You can only do so many poses before you run out :p

Anyway I like Sylvie but I can't use her with Awoken Astaroth. :(

EDIT: well I mean I CAN but

you know
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 26, 2015, 02:36:26 PM
God dammit I'm ready to try Challenge 10 but I don't have any Ra frieeeeeends!

I made that call to swap Izanami in for the black slot so that maybe I can take Goemon's preemptive, but I'm not even sure what level I'll be when I get to him so I don't know how much HP I'll even have.

Edit: Okay, found one by refreshing the unregistered friends over and over. And then I got to Athena and she used Storm Punisher on me four times in a row, I lost three stones and all of my actives, and then I gave up in frustration without even winning because I was so pissed off after the third time. This isn't fun, it's just the game cheating to bleed stones out of me.

Edit edit: Went in with a non-hyper Ra because I was so mad at this dungeon that I had to beat it at any cost, got horrific luck on every conceivable enemy attack, finished it having lost ten stones total today. Not worth it at all. Fuck me.
Is your Ra hypermaxed? If he is then it should be easy to find other hypermax friends. Just use the padx friend finder.

If you dont have friend space then delete some people who never log in/you never use :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 26, 2015, 03:24:41 PM
cmon man you know better than this

I mean, yes and no. I should have seen this coming, granted. My biggest weakness is that if I start to lose control of a situation I get flustered, panic, and start to make bigger and bigger mistakes. That's true for me in games as well as in life, and it's precisely what happened here. It's why I'll never be good at Touhou, and it's the biggest roadblock in my tenure as a tournament-level tabletop game player. So yes, I absolutely should have been good enough to expect this to happen, but I don't really know how to stop it. My best guess is "don't try", which seems to be a lesson PAD is sending me a lot lately. Don't try to build a metagame team, don't try anything extremy difficult.

Is your Ra hypermaxed? If he is then it should be easy to find other hypermax friends. Just use the padx friend finder.

If you dont have friend space then delete some people who never log in/you never use :V

This is a problem that just popped up yesterday for whatever reason (although the writing has been on the wall for a while). That's where I got most of these friends, although many of them also came to me because I had that first-hour hypermax Awoken Ra ready to go. Because it's so recent I haven't searched for more friends yet, but hopefully that will solve my problem, at least for a little while. Every other time this has happened I've turned out to be fucked, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 26, 2015, 08:18:42 PM
lol more tier list changes

now the only non-MP dragon S tiers are aRa, aSaku, and aAnubis (why)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 27, 2015, 03:09:05 AM
Wow so uh gungho decided to randomly throw in the Dragonbounds into the PGCF
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 27, 2015, 03:12:57 AM
Yup.  I still won't roll, but chalk up another 6* water GFE for me to want but probably never see, haha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 27, 2015, 05:56:33 AM
Wow so uh gungho decided to randomly throw in the Dragonbounds into the PGCF

yeah... NA getting saria/ryune and JP getting silvie

rofl

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/670137581690945536 Gronia ult =OOOOOOOOOOOOO
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/670138671534747648 Blonia ult =OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 27, 2015, 07:41:25 AM
sorry ccool gh forgot about beyzul
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 27, 2015, 08:41:13 AM
It turns out they were releasing the Sonia ults as part of their event, as they're parading it in the 2nd half of 60M GungHo app downloads event.

EDIT: also x3 skill up bonus. Where was this when I was running light/water doge dragons?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 27, 2015, 11:25:57 AM
Well I guess it's good I got an ilsix huh

Incoming super ult Ronia with Lifive, calling it now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on November 27, 2015, 11:57:27 AM
Woo, Fagan get! I'm surprised I was able to almost no-stone that, I only died at Genbu where I got a board that left me with 1~2 hits away from killing her.
Now to wait on jewels :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 27, 2015, 01:12:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oHVgfNf.png)

:)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 27, 2015, 01:55:06 PM
I can hear a thousand voices hollering like madmen about the new Sonia ultimates....  :V

Oh and i'm not sure if i should thank Gungho for adding the Dragonbounds to the PCGF: more non-dupes for my rolls, but also lower chance of getting Satsuki....

Finally got Phoenix max evolved! A.Shiva is almost here! But the big news for me is another....

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-11-27-08-09-43_zpsdwexm2ft.png)

And i literally just got the last skill-up on my LKali...... Time to crack some skulls with those Q-TIPS OF DOOM!  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
sorry ccool gh forgot about beyzul

That's okay, he's too cool to hang out with a chump like Sonia anyway. When they do acknowledge his existence someday, which surely they will, I'm sure it will be totally worth the wait and not at all disappointing  I'M SURE OF IT.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 27, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
C10 1 stoned

jesus christ never lucky

I had DIza up when I brought him to 50%, but then he just spammed blind

Then when DIza finally ran out HE HITS ME WITH COIN BARRAGE FOR MAX DAMAGE

1 IN 4 CHANCE TO KILL

then either I'd have to stone for stamina or stone for continue so I just took the continue and murdered his ass with dkali
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2015, 04:48:06 PM
C10 1 stoned

jesus christ never lucky

I had DIza up when I brought him to 50%, but then he just spammed blind

Then when DIza finally ran out HE HITS ME WITH COIN BARRAGE FOR MAX DAMAGE

1 IN 4 CHANCE TO KILL

then either I'd have to stone for stamina or stone for continue so I just took the continue and murdered his ass with dkali

I'll remind you that Athena used Storm Punisher, which is a 30% chance and the only move of hers that can kill me, four times in a row. Granted I was trying to stall on her, which was inevitably going to bite me, but it was much worse than it had any statistcal right to be.

Challenge 10 cheats.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 27, 2015, 04:56:31 PM
hmm maybe pdx is wrong about the numbers

i know it's missing the fact that many bosses will try to just straight up kill you instead of doing their regular attacks if you are at certain HP thresholds

this is how you can ignore sonia grand's perserverance. if you bring her to 1 hp but you also have one hp, she will try to 'attack' you instead of healing, but since she only attacks every other turn she'll do her charge up first if you timed it right
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
hmm maybe pdx is wrong about the numbers

i know it's missing the fact that many bosses will try to just straight up kill you instead of doing their regular attacks if you are at certain HP thresholds

this is how you can ignore sonia grand's perserverance. if you bring her to 1 hp but you also have one hp, she will try to 'attack' you instead of healing, but since she only attacks every other turn she'll do her charge up first if you timed it right

I'm aware of a few bosses having that mechanic, but is that really something that "many" of them can do? Because if that's relatively common it basically makes PDX worthless trash given that that's extremely important to know and they almost never report it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 27, 2015, 06:42:34 PM
I need one Angelit to re-ult Izanagi for my Kalloween team and I'm capped on stamina. I should be farming Eva Collab today, but fuck it.

-Five Devilits in a row.

fml fml fml fml fml fml fml
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Janitor Morgan on November 27, 2015, 08:33:30 PM
I'm aware of a few bosses having that mechanic, but is that really something that "many" of them can do? Because if that's relatively common it basically makes PDX worthless trash given that that's extremely important to know and they almost never report it.

Technically PDX has that info in their tooltips for the relevant skills, but sometimes it's listed wrong (the current C8 Gabriel has his threshold listed as his Sandalphon Mythical damage, for instance). I've started using Skyozora more often for that reason.

Also for the Sonia Gran threshold, it's her unboosted Hell Poison Breath damage.

Other monsters off the top of my head that do this: High Light Ninja and Master+ AB Dashing Wingman.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 27, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
I know the feeling ccool..... Sometimes this game has no middle ground regarding luck:

5 twinlit runs for Dub-mythlit and Angelit = 4 baby Tama and 4 Devilit  :colonveeplusalpha:

4 baby Tama fed = 4 awakening  :wat:
1 Angelit fed = last skill-up on first LKali  :)


Btw i just tried A.Sakuya for the first time against Izanami mythical: OHKO every floor without even using skills except against boss or reaching 8/9 combos, and i brought Andromeda for 100% SLR too  :3 (too bad Iza still refuses to gain that goddaaaammm last skill-up.....)

So this is what it feels like to play with a high multiplier team!  :V

EDIT: altho that 19k HP was worrying me a lot.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 27, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
18:12:03] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> YES
[18:12:06] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> OH MY GOD YES
[18:12:08] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> IT IS OVER
[18:12:22] <aUsernameIsFineToo> you're doing skillups?
[18:12:29] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Yes.
[18:12:36] <aUsernameIsFineToo> for what card?
[18:13:20] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Someone I fed away to Yomi Dragon because she was cursed and would not gain skillups no matter how hard I tried.
[18:13:37] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I saw that she was in this event and decided that I would end this once and for all.
[18:13:46] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> (http://i.imgur.com/OWXHPzL.png) Started from scratch today.
[18:13:51] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> DIzanami skillmax.
[18:13:55] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> motherfuckin
[18:13:58] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Determination.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 28, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/sogLIeT.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 28, 2015, 01:50:35 AM
as customary i recorded a video of the new descend (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GziN4GDzMho)

it's pretty trivial with wood teams. i wouldn't recommend doing it with a not wood team unless you have at least 30K HP without the wood boost.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 28, 2015, 02:02:20 AM
So Ra Dragon still does fine then :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 28, 2015, 02:09:55 AM
So Ra Dragon still does fine then :V

Yeah, of course, with high HP or pluses.

But I wouldn't farm this dungeon with Ra Dragon, takes too much effort to match colors, when I can just match rows and win
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on November 28, 2015, 12:16:15 PM
So Rare Monster Infestation dungeon later today. But I hear the drop rates are pretty dreadful?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 28, 2015, 02:13:20 PM
From the JP players I heard basically yeah.  Get yer stone and get out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Pesco on November 28, 2015, 02:42:58 PM
But i just need 2 phoenix for my double A.Shiva :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on November 28, 2015, 04:55:33 PM
But i just need 2 phoenix for my double A.Shiva :ohdear:

Whiskies will work, since only the element of the dungeon will invade, probably even better.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 28, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
I have only a single Awoken Ra friend left, and he's not hypermax.

ignoring that I'm quoting something from two pages ago

I was looking for a singular LZL friend (I had used Triangles' in my favorites spot; two others were hiding down below FYI. Big help the leader skill buff made to his popularity :/ )

I have some connections if you like (http://imgur.com/hG92X2v)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 28, 2015, 06:06:37 PM
So much Ra, wow.

Reminds me, maybe I should switch like Verd into my first slot and use Karin in like my third since she'll almost always be up anyway...?

Should probably do SOMETHING towards Pal Point mainetenance anyway, and a blue card won't do it unfortunately.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 28, 2015, 08:32:55 PM
ignoring that I'm quoting something from two pages ago

I was looking for a singular LZL friend (I had used Triangles' in my favorites spot; two others were hiding down below FYI. Big help the leader skill buff made to his popularity :/ )

I have some connections if you like (http://imgur.com/hG92X2v)

I added a bunch off pf PDX last night, so hopefully I'll be good for a while. Thanks though.

Good luck with LZL, I hate it when that happens. I've just given up trying to find U/W Sun Quan friends. People just seem to hate healers outside of the tiny handful of popular ones.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 29, 2015, 02:47:58 AM
The true boss decided to show up and get bodied

(http://i.imgur.com/g4yEXTY.png) (http://i.imgur.com/idpUTcp.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 03:44:00 AM
oh look another event

without x10 descends
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 29, 2015, 04:19:39 AM
The true boss decided to show up and get bodied

no u

-nicorn
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 05:17:30 AM
I was just looking through my box and I remembered that I have Durga. Is she good for anything? She seems awful. UmiYama-style superultimate soon plz. She doesn't even seem like a great sub. Would consider using her on a black Metatron team I guess, but her awakenings are not good at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2015, 05:32:23 AM
Do I win the shitty hourly dungeon?  (http://imgur.com/TMq4mc6)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 29, 2015, 05:38:49 AM
Do I win the shitty hourly dungeon?  (http://imgur.com/TMq4mc6)

no phoenix

9.8/10
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2015, 05:42:20 AM
yo but Griffin almost dunked me
you know what it's like to see your 34000 HP drop to zero without any RCV multipliers?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 29, 2015, 05:47:59 AM
you know what it's like to see your 34000 HP drop to zero without any RCV multipliers?

(http://i.imgur.com/9WpugSPm.png)

When I fought this guy, he opened with his 99% gravity, so I have in fact, seen almost twice that drop to nearly nothing with virtually no RCV mult.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2015, 05:53:29 AM
oh man that brings me back to my Beelzebub days

but you have two mobs that make hearts as well as infinitely more +eggs on that team, yea?

I have a Kiriko?(??????)

Attacker %heal where? (No I don't want Kanetsugu and Zhao Yun)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 29, 2015, 05:57:51 AM
but you have two mobs that make hearts as well as infinitely more +eggs on that team, yea?

team only has 5 +297s so not really that good

Attacker %heal where? (No I don't want Kanetsugu and Zhao Yun)

On a serious note, we may be getting this dude soon... (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2355) I'd keep fingers crossed after FotNS unless they chain Xmas REM after it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 06:30:42 AM
 :(

23 runs of Hera-Ur today, including two stones. Zero Tamadras.

You ever have one of those weeks in PAD where every single possible thing goes wrong and just makes you feel shitty rather than being fun? I got that this week.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on November 29, 2015, 07:25:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PXx4saA.png)

that's a wrap
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2015, 08:02:55 AM
4 rolls

WHAT WHAT (http://imgur.com/DEizMmG)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 29, 2015, 09:09:37 AM
[03:56:49] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Kraken Rider, Ra, Muse, Alfucker, Cinderella, Kraken Rider, Genie, Muse, Gryps Rider, Hermes and...
[03:56:51] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Lakshmi
[03:57:07] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> lakshmi a good


I sold literally all of those except one Muse and Lakshmi.

PCGF never pans out well for me. orz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 29, 2015, 09:49:55 AM
I know i had low expectations for the Rare invades dungeon and just ran it for the stone but dropping 1 dark pirate and 1 shiron is even shittier than i thought  :matsuriscowl:

And i just received a "polite reminder" that i should NEVER roll in a PCGF and that no, it doesn't matter what GH says, Gala override anything else.
Since it was the first PCGF i actually lacked half of the featured mons i decided to drop almost all my stones on it:

- Kraken Rider
- Claymore (have anyone found a legitimate way to make these cards useful?!)
- Snow White (dupe)
- Fuu (dupe)
- Griffin Rider
- Lakshmi
- Light Wee Jas
- Muse
- Laila (dupe)
- Hatsume (dupe)

Just to clarify: 10 rolls - ZERO featured gods - 6/10 of the Gala color

I know i am the fool that decided to try his luck but congratulations GH, you gave me the push i needed. Starting now i'll roll exclusively during Dark Gala or in particular collab/event i want, everything else will get 1 yoloroll at most.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 29, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
I got a bunch of recyclables and Kushinadahime.  Now I have a green shield.  Yay!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on November 29, 2015, 10:56:32 AM
Four rolls, hoping for either Kalis or whatever useful.
>Vishnu, Mitsunari, Sarasvati, dupe Nut

At least no silvers I guess. But nothing I needed, this sucks. My water and green pools might be starting to show some potential, not that I have the resources to build anything new.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Pesco on November 29, 2015, 10:58:39 AM
Got 1 out of the 2 phoenixes i needed and jewels that were not-light on both runs. Profit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 11:22:09 AM
Alright, PAD has been kicking me in the balls all week, here's an opportunity for it to make me feel better. Gonna try to go until I get a gold, not that I have much of a choice after all of my recent pathetically failed endeavors.

-Undine orz
-Satsuki

Another ultra-generic-looking, semi-recent special god that's so indistinct from all the others that I can't tell them apart. Is Satsuki good? She seems okay.

I shouldn't complain but I do lament the fact that I never pull pantheon stuff any more. Or anything blue ever. Despite the fact that I main blue it's BY FAR my least populated color. And my black cards remain unfocused unless there's some cool team here I'm overlooking.

So not disappointing for ten stones, but I'll be saving what meager rest I have. Time for another wasted day where I accomplish nothing, this time by virtue of the Eva Collab.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 29, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
Alright, PAD has been kicking me in the balls all week, here's an opportunity for it to make me feel better. Gonna try to go until I get a gold, not that I have much of a choice after all of my recent pathetically failed endeavors.

-Undine orz
-Satsuki

Another ultra-generic-looking, semi-recent special god that's so indistinct from all the others that I can't tell them apart. Is Satsuki good? She seems okay.

Seems good, and I shouldn't complain but I do lament the fact that I never pull pantheon stuff any more. Or anything blue ever, even though there's s gala. Despite the fact that I main blue it's BY FAR my least populated color. And my black cards remain unfocused unless there's some cool team here I'm overlooking.

So not disappointing for ten stones, but I'll be saving what meager rest I have. Time for another wasted day where I accomplish nothing, this time by virtue of the Eva Collab.

Amazing. I pull nothing but blue gala shit. :V

Satsuki is pretty amazing. Triple prongs, massive HP and ATK, an active that changes away water/poison/mortal poison to dark with a haste on a 7 turn cd, and a skill bind resist. She's a subpar leader but kind of fantastic in every other aspect.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Moogs Parfait on November 29, 2015, 12:09:40 PM
Given my past Yolo pulls I decided to do that again.  DKali.

Yolo strong.

Still hoarding stones for Raphael.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 29, 2015, 01:23:31 PM
Commander, i would gladly trade my 10 rolls for your Satsuki, since it's the card i wanted THE MOST out of the entire pool (yes, even more than DKali)....

Desire sensor is really a bastard: i main dark and get flooded with water, you main water and get the dark card i'm pursuing  :X
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: qMyon on November 29, 2015, 02:12:21 PM
Rolled twice and picked up Vishnu and Susano. Given my Verdandi team in-development, not bad, I think.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 02:28:22 PM
i saved up these stones slowly so i'll spend them slowly

roll 1

hanzo

well we're off to a great start...


roll 2

snow white

dont do this to me...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 29, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
I make poor decisioms and occasionally get rewarded.  One MP fodder(Mistrain), one decent-for-conditional-cheese silver(Sylph), one ok gold(Set), and, well...Kirin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 29, 2015, 03:44:32 PM
PCGF yoloroll: Kagutsuchi
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 04:17:16 PM
3rd roll

WTF HERMES

the curse is still real
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 04:25:32 PM
4th roll

HAKU

NOW WE'RE TALKING


Dino Rider bluh
Earth Swordsman bluuuhh
Verdandi dupe
Mistrain fuk
Ama dupeeee
Salamander pls
Alfecca WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK

Beast Rider... well I can do a full rainbow Isis team finally
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on November 29, 2015, 04:44:35 PM
Planned to roll 5 times. Ended up rolling 7 times.

In no order:
Baal (new)
Shiva (new)
Lakshmi (new)
Bastet (new)
Muse (new/sold)
Exa-Hydra (dupe/sold)
Kagutsuchi (new/sold)

Gonna save my last 3 rolls for Christmas.

In hindsight, I probably could've kept Kagutsuchi as a Dragon/Phys/Fire/Dark sub for that orb changer and triple TPA. Welp. :V

Also please add me to the list of contacts, 368034352. Sasuke leads my first team. Noah is in my second team. Other leads I usually use are W/L I&I, chibi ronia, Jord, and G/L Artemis, but they tend to be in other teams.

https://www.padherder.com/user/ruffa/monsters
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 04:49:50 PM
>Isis upped to S tier sub

BV  8) BV 8)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 04:58:05 PM
>Isis upped to S tier sub

BV  8) BV 8)

Did something change to cause the shift, or are things as they ever were but people are starting to realize how good she is?

And have there been any tier shifts for the fairy tale girls? Admittedly I haven't tested them extensively yet, but I've gotten pretty excited about how good they seem to be now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 05:10:48 PM
Basically she's a staple sub in two top tier teams. Good typing, awakenings, utility, and all that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Aoshi-shi on November 29, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
Kirin.

ONE OF US ONE OF US

Yolo rolled three times bc why not.

Andromeda (New!)
Dupe Fuu
Andromeda
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 05:23:56 PM
Andromeda (New!)
Dupe Fuu
Andromeda

Are you

fucking

kidding me?

 :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 29, 2015, 06:27:59 PM
Seems everybody has Andromeda but account ccool now.

I need to run Blue Sprite now... :ohdear:

What mob gives Kanna skillups? Gold Keepers? Angelits?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 29, 2015, 06:44:02 PM
Seems everybody has Andromeda but account ccool now.

One of the few water types I actually WANT but have never got.

Quote
I need to run Blue Sprite now... :ohdear:

What mob gives Kanna skillups? Gold Keepers? Angelits?

Angelits.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 07:01:43 PM
okay another pull

4th Andromeda

... :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 29, 2015, 07:07:07 PM
okay another pull

4th Andromeda

... :colonveeplusalpha:

Is there a blue joker somewhere that you can run :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 29, 2015, 07:44:10 PM
welp anyways i can build both a row and tpa team for isis, as well as ayomi with haku so i cant complain too much

holy shit i need so much blue exp though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on November 29, 2015, 08:03:59 PM
Bastet (new)
Welcome to the bestcat club.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 08:18:00 PM
okay another pull

4th Andromeda

... :colonveeplusalpha:

That's

not

funny.

 :colonveeplusalpha:





You know what? Fine. Fine. Eva collab was just going to be another pathetic waste of time anyway, so fuck it. I have four stones left, I'll just grind out one more with the stamina I've got right now, do one pull, and get Andromeda. It will definitely work. Andromeda has a 99% pull rate today apparently and the game owes me so much fucking karma that it has to work. I'm going to buy the coin Rare Evo Rush, clear that for the stone, and pull Andromeda and then this week of horrible shitty failure will all have been worth it. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

(http://i.imgur.com/KkADx9r.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ErattTb.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/RmS7Rq8.png)

OH LOOK IT'S ANDROMEDA THE LONG WAIT IS FINALLY OVER TIME TO HYPERMAX HER AND PUT HER ON MY TEAM LOOOOL ISN'T SHE BEAUTIFUL GUYS I'M SO HAPPY.

This is a duplicate by the way. In case you were wondering.

Disclaimer: commandercool acknowledges that he got 2/3 gold eggs and that's pretty good. commandercool has had a hell of a week so please let him have this moment.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 29, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Seems everybody has Andromeda but account ccool now.
;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on November 29, 2015, 09:38:26 PM
Dem feels

And why is Venus standing in a cupcake wrapper
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 29, 2015, 09:43:30 PM
Dem feels

And why is Venus standing in a cupcake wrapper

That's a clamshell.

Venus was born by what I believe to be
Zeus slicing off Cronus's genitals, having it and all the fluids drop into the ocean, and this somehow caused Venus to rise out of the resulting foam
from a clamshell.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Sapz on November 29, 2015, 10:03:40 PM
3 rolls. Venus (new), Pandora (new), Susano (dupe, but now I get to have an awoken version along with the attacker version). Pretty happy with that. Most excited about Pandora since I should have a pretty sweet team lined up for her, mostly ready to go (Pandora, Diadem, Loki (awoken when it comes), devil Haku, Persephone).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 29, 2015, 10:30:35 PM
I pulled way too much because I have no self control when I am emotionally unstable and mentally and physically worn down

Final results until I grind up more stones because I spent more than I wish to admit for things I'm only mildly interested in-- that is to say, things I actually KEPT:
Muse (lol I want to use him but I will probably never skill this motherfucker up)
Lakshmi (and this is why-- my bubpys will go here. I did legit want her... before she was totally outclassed.)
Nut (AHAHAHAHA YOU'RE PRETTY BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING OSIRIS MKII OVER HERE NOPE NOT AT ALL)
Meimei (dupe, keeping her because Mei)
Indra (dupe, I guess a second could be useful someday?)
Okuninushi (Did legit want him, p rad)
Cerberus Rider (w/e)
Water Dragon Knight (just dumped my dupe swordsman for the evo version, I guess)
Neptune (do I really have a use for him now...)

and what I sold (no GFEs) added up to roughly 89,000 MP.

Blue galas

are

shit.

Worst color 2kFOREVER
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on November 29, 2015, 10:34:54 PM
Did anyone get a Dragonborne? That was the main reason I rolled.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dr Rawr on November 29, 2015, 10:35:20 PM
kinda went on break because of work and fallout 4 so a good way to hop back on is with the pcgf and 50$ in google play money i got for 30$.
notable rolls were
light kali
red odin
my 3rd satsuki (wtf)
okuninushi
bastet
and a rogue lackshima

everything else is probably going to be sold
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 29, 2015, 10:37:11 PM
Anybody see a reason to keep two of Venus? I like Awoken Venus just fine, but hers doesn't seem like the kind of skill that I would want two of. I don't really want either of her other forms. What do you think, am I overlooking something? Would you keep two of her?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on November 29, 2015, 10:38:41 PM
That's a clamshell.

Venus was born by what I believe to be
Zeus slicing off Cronus's genitals, having it and all the fluids drop into the ocean, and this somehow caused Venus to rise out of the resulting foam
from a clamshell.
:0 :o :0
Sex Ed must be so much more entertaining for the pantheos children

DO NOT wash your face
DO NOT cut off genitals over bodies of water
etc etc
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Tea Devil on November 29, 2015, 10:46:27 PM
alright susano i voted for you LET'S GO

- Gabriel
- Shaitan

Well...at least Gabe is really pretty. And has an ult uvo coming to NA one day! But goddamnit I already have Shaitan's ult guh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 29, 2015, 11:23:26 PM
Anybody see a reason to keep two of Venus? I like Awoken Venus just fine, but hers doesn't seem like the kind of skill that I would want two of. I don't really want either of her other forms. What do you think, am I overlooking something? Would you keep two of her?

Nah. Truth be told, her active really needs a reworking. 6 seconds is NOTHING these days-- in fact, with most of my teams it's less than what I'd normally get.

She's great if you wanna stack light rows, but you really don't need two of an overall detrimental active.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 12:00:00 AM
Nah. Truth be told, her active really needs a reworking. 6 seconds is NOTHING these days-- in fact, with most of my teams it's less than what I'd normally get.

She's great if you wanna stack light rows, but you really don't need two of an overall detrimental active.

The amount of time isn't the main benefit though. It's the guarantee of getting three rows with the right number of orbs. It still doesn't seem amazing, since a gud player should be able to always do that anyway. But I'm not gud, so I imagine I'll find her at least a little useful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Pesco on November 30, 2015, 12:19:31 AM
Triple yolo roll

Okuni (dupe)
Sun Quan
Blue mech dragon

1 good sub and 10k MP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on November 30, 2015, 12:20:33 AM
kinda went on break because of work and fallout 4 so a good way to hop back on is with the pcgf and 50$ in google play money i got for 30$.
notable rolls were
light kali
red odin
my 3rd satsuki (wtf)
okuninushi
bastet
and a rogue lackshima

everything else is probably going to be sold

That's

not

funny.

 :colonveeplusalpha:

'nuff said  :qq:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 30, 2015, 12:27:07 AM
i tried Lifive challenge mode

couldn't scratch Angelion despite using aYomi...


at least i finally S ranked EVA collab with good ol Isis
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2015, 03:05:06 AM
*Descended Challenge*
[Duration]: 11/30 (Mon), 12:00 AM - 12/6 (Sun), 11:59 PM (PST)

The Descended Challenge returns with renewed dungeons and prizes for players to unlock. Take your time to strategize--you have a week to tackle these challenges!

Just remember, you won?t be able to continue if you fall in battle.

See below for more information!

Details:
- During the event, gifts will be delivered via in-game mail when floors are cleared.
- Gift mails are available only up to 12/7 (Mon) 11:59 PM (PST).

Dungeons & Rewards:
Phantom Dragon King-Special (Legend Plus)... TAMADRA (HP +50)
Knight Dragon King-Special (Legend Plus)... TAMADRA (ATK +50)
Land of the Rising Sun (Legend Plus)... TAMADRA (RCV +50)
Hall of the Divine King (Mythical)... Jewel of Dark
Eternal Dragon (Mythical)... Jewel of Light
Mei Zhou Lang (Mythical)... Jewel of Water
Leonine King (Mythical)... Jewel of Fire
Hedonistic Demon (Mythical)... Jewel of Wood
Moonlight Princess (Legend)... TAMADRA (HP +3, ATK +3, RCV +3)
General Yan (Legend)... Queen Gold Dragon
The Lady General (Legend)... Queen Metal Dragon
Dark Knight (Legend)... 2,000 Pal Points
Corpse Wyrm (Legend)... 2,000,000 Coins

*When completing ?Corpse Wyrm (Legend),? you will receive a Magic Stone as a clear bonus.
You will also receive a Magic Stone when clearing ?Dark Knight (Legend)? through ?Phantom Dragon King-Special (Legend Plus).?
* For these Challenge Dungeons, ?Dark Knight (Legend)? through ?Phantom Dragon King-Special (Legend Plus)? will not have any restrictions.
*?Phantom Dragon King-Special (Legend Plus)? and ?Knight Dragon King-Special (Legend Plus)? are ?Special Dungeons? in which all Monsters will start at Lv1 upon entering the dungeon.
*Floors can be challenged in any order.
*Rewards are provided for each floor cleared.
*Rewards are distributed only once per floor regardless of the number of times a floor is cleared.
*Rewards are received through in-game mail after a dungeon floor is cleared.
*There may be a delay from the time a dungeon is cleared until the reward is received.
*To receive the reward, please clear the dungeon before 12/7 (Mon) 11:59 PM (PST). If this cutoff time has passed, the Dungeon clear reward may not be received.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 30, 2015, 03:09:17 AM
Holy shit, those tamas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on November 30, 2015, 03:09:47 AM
lmao so if you clear these challenges + the previous you can almost hypermax someone instantly :V

I guess that makes my second DKali +297 easy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 03:19:31 AM
Huh. The only one of those that I'm worried about is Land of the Rising Sun. I still haven't really figured out a reliable way to beat it. I've got some stuff that has a shot though, so I might just have to grind away at it and hope I eventually get lucky. I want to just say I'm not going to try so I don't risk another week of shitty failures, but I want to redeem myself too. Hmm...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 30, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
I almost want to try, but I know I'd want plusses for that one so I actually won't.

...oh hey cool, I can grab my Zeus&Hera Myth clear I'm missing while I'm at it!  I think that will very nearly catch me up on Mythical dungeons finally if I pull it off, which will be nice.

Of course, this will require me to budget my tablet's battery power because the charging cable was left somewhere and is effectively gone, so I'm waiting on a new one in the mail, but hopefully it'll show up before TOO long and I can get to doing stuff.  I can probably do SOME of these on my phone though at least.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 04:08:40 AM
Hmm. It might kill me to do it, but I think this team beats Yamato Rush:

Gabriel/Snow White/Reine/Sun Quan/Beyzul/Gabriel

As long as I don't roll Tengu the only thing that can kill me should be Kagu's 30% attack. I think if I swap to Beyzul, recharge his skill on Kagu, delay Kagu, kill him, and then tank Goemon's preemptive and then switch back on the first turn I should be G2G. I think.

Edit: Oh right, other Gabriels don't exist. I know there's one other hypermax one somewhere, but the guy hasn't had him up in a leader slot for a while and I can't remember his name. Fuuuuuck...

Edit edit: Oh good, he's registered on PDX and I'm still friends with him. I sent him a message.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2015, 04:58:57 AM
As long as I don't roll Tengu the only thing that can kill me should be Kagu's 30% attack. I think if I swap to Beyzul, recharge his skill on Kagu, delay Kagu, kill him, and then tank Goemon's preemptive and then switch back on the first turn I should be G2G. I think.

Be extremely careful at dealing with Kagu. Since you run a tank team, you actually get to experience how he works.

His entire game plan is to constantly create ammo for either of his moves that make jammers or poison, so you have to be constantly controlling the number of dark and fire orbs on the board. All fire turns to jammer, and all dark turns to poison. You let too much of that build up, and you're in big trouble.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 05:05:01 AM
Be extremely careful at dealing with Kagu. Since you run a tank team, you actually get to experience how he works.

His entire game plan is to constantly create ammo for either of his moves that make jammers or poison, so you have to be constantly controlling the number of dark and fire orbs on the board. All fire turns to jammer, and all dark turns to poison. You let too much of that build up, and you're in big trouble.

I have actually played against him with a stall team before, with my normal Gabriel team. But thanks for the heads up. I think I can manage him, and I don't actually plan to spend that many turns on him relatively since he is red. I think I can chip him down to very close to 50% then just  burst him to death and use a delay to get around his resolve. That's the plan anyway, I have no idea if it'll work that way in practice. Maybe I'm underestimating his poison.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2015, 05:15:40 AM
I have actually played against him with a stall team before, with my normal Gabriel team. But thanks for the heads up. I think I can manage him, and I don't actually plan to spend that many turns on him relatively since he is red. I think I can chip him down to very close to 50% then just  burst him to death and use a delay to get around his resolve. That's the plan anyway, I have no idea if it'll work that way in practice. Maybe I'm underestimating his poison.

You should in theory still be fine, though he spammed the venom fang on me on my single attempt, but I had 60% poison resist which blocked most of that. You do not, so I hope the 2x RCV will suffice (and that he doesn't delete too many hearts).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 05:22:57 AM
You should in theory still be fine, though he spammed the venom fang on me on my single attempt, but I had 60% poison resist which blocked most of that. You do not, so I hope the 2x RCV will suffice (and that he doesn't delete too many hearts).

I'll have 4x recovery, since I plan on doing it with dual Gabriels for once. And three heartmakers, although two of them convert black to hearts, which won't be that useful if he's already turned black to poison. But that also means that I have a reliable way to get rid of it before then. No poison resistance to speak of though. The one time I tried before I used a Neptune friend and he blocked out some of it, but not enough that I was comfortable stalling on him for as long as I would've liked to.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2015, 06:02:34 AM
I'll have 4x recovery, since I plan on doing it with dual Gabriels for once. And three heartmakers, although two of them convert black to hearts, which won't be that useful if he's already turned black to poison. But that also means that I have a reliable way to get rid of it before then. No poison resistance to speak of though. The one time I tried before I used a Neptune friend and he blocked out some of it, but not enough that I was comfortable stalling on him for as long as I would've liked to.

If you go into kagu with beyzul as the leader, you will have 2x, unless I read that wrong. Though at the least you'll probably always not be at full health, so probably not much danger of doing too much damage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 30, 2015, 06:02:50 AM
I've never used Sachi Bros before but wow (http://imgur.com/fU3iXWZ)

They're so cool tho. I wish I used them more. Between Awoken I&I and Awoken Orochi, I'll just need a light member in there somewhere.

but in the absence of Valkyrie Reine, at least I have Siegfried!!!!(...)

Maybe LZL can hit that light spot. Sachi Bros have a ton of orb enhances so it could work.

I just re-skillmaxed them on my second run of Twin Dragons as well. Good luck this whole weekend.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: hyorinryu on November 30, 2015, 08:02:35 AM
Nah. Truth be told, her active really needs a reworking. 6 seconds is NOTHING these days-- in fact, with most of my teams it's less than what I'd normally get.

She's great if you wanna stack light rows, but you really don't need two of an overall detrimental active.

I'm surprised they haven't tried to rework change the world so that it takes in to account the amount of time extend awakenings/actives and adds it's time on top of that. It'd probably make the active more appealing and I don't think it'd break Venus.
I've never used Sachi Bros before but wow (http://imgur.com/fU3iXWZ)

They're so cool tho. I wish I used them more. Between Awoken I&I and Awoken Orochi, I'll just need a light member in there somewhere.

but in the absence of Valkyrie Reine, at least I have Siegfried!!!!(...)

Maybe LZL can hit that light spot. Sachi Bros have a ton of orb enhances so it could work.

I just re-skillmaxed them on my second run of Twin Dragons as well. Good luck this whole weekend.
Well, worst case, there's always Midguard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: qMyon on November 30, 2015, 08:45:48 AM
So.....I have the Level 20 roll ready. Anyone wants/needs it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 30, 2015, 10:46:19 AM
"OKAY Z8 IT IS TIME FOR THE ULTIMATE REVENGE"

(http://i.imgur.com/yZaD1x8.jpg)

"I HAVE MADE THIS TEAM SPECIFICALLY TO KILL YOU."

(http://i.imgur.com/u6eaiYZ.jpg)

FIRST TRY. I HAVE AVENGED MY PAST SELF.

SAKUYA STRONG.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 10:48:35 AM
If you go into kagu with beyzul as the leader, you will have 2x, unless I read that wrong. Though at the least you'll probably always not be at full health, so probably not much danger of doing too much damage.

Oh right. Yeah, I don't intend to go in to him with Beyzul up. I'm going to have to swap for a few turns at some point because I want him to be ready to swap back immediately after reaching Goemon, but I'll have the panic button of being able to use Sun Quan's delay defensively if things go south. Those will probably be the most dangerous turns in the entire run regardless though. And yeah, I won't be at full health during the turns I'm stalling. The plan is to delay him once Beyzul is close to ready, spend one turn healing up, then kill him on the second turn. There's a lot that can go wrong, but also a lot of safety nets, so it's going to be sketchy but possible. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Pesco on November 30, 2015, 12:00:40 PM
1 x yoloroll

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Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 30, 2015, 12:49:48 PM
One more yoloroll from collected stones.

(http://i.imgur.com/xSeTYEi.jpg)

You motherfucker

Where were you when I needed you? Now I'm moving on to green rows :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 30, 2015, 12:54:15 PM
(http://imgur.com/TmLXRWW.jpg)

Here we are again.
It's always such a pleasure.
Remember when you tried to kill me twice.
Oh how we laughed and laughed.
Except I wasn't laughing.
Under the circumstances I've been shockingly nice.

Now El-Zee-El got buffer~
That's what I'm counting on
I used to want you skillmaxed
Now I only want you gone

They were a lot like you
Maybe not quite as heavy
Now little Zaerogs are in you, too.
One day they Awokened her
So She could heal forever
It's such a shame the same will never happen to you

You've got your short, sad dragons
That's what I'm counting on
I'll let you eat yourself now
Now I only want you gone

Goodbye my only friend
Oh. Did you think I meant you?
It would be funny if you weren't so sad
You have been REPLACED
I only need Cloud right now
If I sell you maybe I'll stop feeling so bad

You kill some other player
That's what I'm counting on
You're someone else's sub now
Now I only want you gone
Now I only want you gone
Now I only want you gone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on November 30, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Pesco: Reminding the world of yiur fire supremacy I see.

Matsy:  At...least you have him now for if you decide to go back to TPAs later...?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 02:21:03 PM
Oh yeah, I almost forgot that double Gabriels has no way to handle Fat Dragon. My Legend Plus teams always incidentally do. So I need to not fight Tengu or Fat Dragon and not die to Kagutsuchi. Sounds possible but sketchy. Oh well. I'll give it a try soon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 30, 2015, 02:52:16 PM
Zaerog down no problem.  Pretty sure I can reliably 0-stone Nordis, which leaves the horrifying nightmare that is yamato descended.

On the other hand, fist of the north star collab has a bunch of stuff I want to skill up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on November 30, 2015, 02:56:45 PM
hurrrrr
Zaerogoo getting "buffed" with devil typing made my chances of beating Yamato Rush even more.

Fuck Kagoogs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2015, 08:11:49 PM
tried to yolo some more hoping for some leilan subs

(http://i.imgur.com/sYc9l7H.png)

BUT IN THE END
IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on November 30, 2015, 08:43:10 PM
Zaerogoo is easier than I remember, but I keep DYING TO THE SAMURAI DRAGON AND I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW. Like I'll get 9 combos that I swear to god have all colors and barely scratch them and die and I don't know what happened.

Guys I was all ready to turn over a new, "not being a total failure fuckup" leaf, but it turns out I'm so bad at PAD now for some reason that I can't do anythiiiiiiing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on November 30, 2015, 08:53:32 PM
Zaerogoo is easier than I remember, but I keep DYING TO THE SAMURAI DRAGON AND I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW. Like I'll get 9 combos that I swear to god have all colors and barely scratch them and die and I don't know what happened.

Guys I was all ready to turn over a new, "not being a total failure fuckup" leaf, but it turns out I'm so bad at PAD now for some reason that I can't do anythiiiiiiing

u need to believe harder
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on November 30, 2015, 09:42:27 PM
[16:40:09] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Meanwhile, I have discovered the definition of tragedy.
[16:40:17] <aUsernameIsFineToo> ?
[16:40:32] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I decided to face Nordis with AYomi. Now that I have Yomi Dragon, getting rid of Nordis' second form bind is a non-issue.
[16:40:47] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I made it all the way to the end. I had Pandora and Yomi available.
[16:40:55] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I prepared my kill shot. So many dark orbs.
[16:41:00] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Too many dark orbs.
[16:41:20] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Couldn't get AYomi's popcorn right and had too many other orbs connected to it.
[16:41:25] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Victory was in my grasp.
[16:41:35] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> A +50 ATK Tama was eclipsed in my hands.
[16:41:43] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> And I crushed it, for I was far too strong.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on November 30, 2015, 10:15:12 PM
[16:40:09] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Meanwhile, I have discovered the definition of tragedy.
[16:40:17] <aUsernameIsFineToo> ?
[16:40:32] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I decided to face Nordis with AYomi. Now that I have Yomi Dragon, getting rid of Nordis' second form bind is a non-issue.
[16:40:47] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I made it all the way to the end. I had Pandora and Yomi available.
[16:40:55] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I prepared my kill shot. So many dark orbs.
[16:41:00] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Too many dark orbs.
[16:41:20] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Couldn't get AYomi's popcorn right and had too many other orbs connected to it.
[16:41:25] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Victory was in my grasp.
[16:41:35] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> A +50 ATK Tama was eclipsed in my hands.
[16:41:43] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> And I crushed it, for I was far too strong.

#justtoomanyorbsproblems
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on December 01, 2015, 12:36:57 AM
DKali #2 hypermaxed :toot:

Now if I run RaDra, Isis, DKali, DKali, FatChoco, RaDra I have 30K HP BV


also another roll

chester...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on December 01, 2015, 04:48:18 AM
Hey, at least you got him in time to skill him up
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 05:48:36 AM
Fuck

I

can't

win

dungeons.

I've died five times to Zaerogoo today. Two of them were to fucking Samurai dragons, one was on the second floor, and two have been to Zaerog's first form. Apparently I just can't do six combos even with a million time extends. Both times I fucked up a move at the very beginning, scrambled to go back and fix it, and didn't have time to finish my combo. Ugh. And the worst part is that I'm going into that floor with five of my six actives up, so I know for sure that if I can just get to the last floor I'm guaranteed to win. But I can't get there.

 :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on December 01, 2015, 06:04:17 AM
Fuck

I

can't

win

dungeons.

I feel you buddy. It took all day for me to finally get through zog8 without fucking something up.

I' almost tempted to just buy two skill delay tamas and make A.Ra for whenever I have to do that nonsense again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 06:26:49 AM
I had exactly the same thought. I didn't do it (yet), but I was tempted. Same with being tempted to buy a single dark resist just for the added insurance against Rog's 100% gravity.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on December 01, 2015, 07:02:48 AM
Oh lol wut special Black Friday 5 stones for the price of 1 one time deal? Since I'm such a sucker for discount deals, you're on.

e:
rolls
> Gamble Mage
wts is this thing, and random damage on 1 enemy?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: qMyon on December 01, 2015, 07:31:15 AM
Oh lol wut special Black Friday 5 stones for the price of 1 one time deal? Since I'm such a sucker for discount deals, you're on.

e:
rolls
> Gamble Mage
wts is this thing, and random damage on 1 enemy?

Oh, sounds good.....

rolls
>Melon Dragon
As if the place wasn't fruity enough already.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 01, 2015, 07:44:41 AM
I had exactly the same thought. I didn't do it (yet), but I was tempted. Same with being tempted to buy a single dark resist just for the added insurance against Rog's 100% gravity.

He uses End of Pain when he is at water HP, so it won't save you.

Oh lol wut special Black Friday 5 stones for the price of 1 one time deal? Since I'm such a sucker for discount deals, you're on.

e:
rolls
> Gamble Mage
wts is this thing, and random damage on 1 enemy?


He's a poor man combo god, fun to mess around with.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 01, 2015, 09:12:58 AM
We got a bunch of stuff.

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/671602103454855168 Mecha-Hera (tentative) a new Coop Boss.

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/671608828778033152 Super Ult Belial who for all intents and purposes is supposed to be similar to Awoken form.

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/671609477376806912 Gronia Ult aka "I sold out and went TPAs hahahahaha :3"

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/671610044052410368 Blonia Ult aka "lol Gronia i stayed loyal to rows and became awesome"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 01, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
Blonia was big and got bigger.

True Blue yo.

And a perfect sub for the Awoken I&I/Gabe/Motonari/Blonia/Bmeta/Ryune team idea :> (very big, 2/6.25-12.25/2.5 stats, 11 rows, skill bind proof, bind proof via BMeta). 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 01, 2015, 10:21:55 AM
Blonia was big and got bigger.

True Blue yo.

Yeah, Blonia's really good.

Gronia's much more disappointing in comparison except for her massive stat distribution but I really dislike how she's TPA instead of a 2nd green row. It was inevitable though due to the nature of her LS.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 12:23:43 PM
He uses End of Pain when he is at water HP, so it won't save you.

There was a time when I was competent enough at PAD to figure that out. That time was two weeks ago. It is not now.

So needless to say, I could buy a blue resist instesd if I was going to buy a resist. Good thing I didn't.

At the very least I suppose it's good that I have nothing better to do in PAD right now. Except maybe +egg farming, a thing I would probably actually succeed at.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on December 01, 2015, 01:08:34 PM
PCGF pulls:

Chrono Turtle

Water Cyberdragon

3rd Gabe.



Like holyshitgame I *know* you want me to finish that lakshmi team and all but give me a break with the gabes.

Idk if I should sell him, gabe might be amazing but I already have two and having a quick(er) heartmaker in the form of Berry Dragon is probably better than a third gabe in the team.

I'll probably buy the 5-in-1 bundle and go for another pull. Although at this point I'm not really sure if pursuing any of the things I want is actually worthwhile since neither Horus nor Vishnu seem capable of doing much in newer content.

(Or I'm just bad, which is likely the case.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 01, 2015, 01:37:34 PM
Oh right, a thing I forgot:

(http://i.imgur.com/iv18PEC.png)

500th day today
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 01:44:55 PM
5 stones for a dollar? Sure whatever.

Godfest still ongoing, let's do a pull.

Oh shit, it's gold!

Oh shit, it's blue!

Claymore, bleh.

I have four stones now, so I'll do one more tofay if possible. A more sa e commandercool would be saving these stones, but... Lol.

Edit: Aaah shit I'm in a room full of people doing pulls and getting good stuff (saw another Andromeda...). My willpower is weak. Bought six stones, two more pulls right now.

-Neptune
-Sakuya

Ooh, not bad. Not what I wanted per se, but both of those are solid. I use a friend Awoken Neptune all the time, although I don't know why I would want one myself. And Awoken Sakuya should make a solid sub for Ra if I need the bind clear. And both are pantheon gods even. Not bad at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 02:45:05 PM
What.

WHAT.

(http://imgur.com/Jlo7N3j.png)

Uh, guys, I think my ability to clear this dungeon may be greater than anticipated.

Gabriel scary.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 01, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
Presenting:
The Great Nordis Chokefest: Matsuri's Comeback Story

The Complete Despair Saga:
Act 1:
[16:40:32] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I decided to face Nordis with AYomi. Now that I have Yomi Dragon, getting rid of Nordis' second form bind is a non-issue.
[16:40:47] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I made it all the way to the end. I had Pandora and Yomi available.
[16:40:55] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I prepared my kill shot. So many dark orbs.
[16:41:00] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Too many dark orbs.
[16:41:20] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Couldn't get AYomi's popcorn right and had too many other orbs connected to it.
[16:41:25] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> Victory was in my grasp.
[16:41:35] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> A +50 ATK Tama was eclipsed in my hands.
[16:41:43] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> And I crushed it, for I was far too strong.

Act 2:
[08:54:24] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> finally make it to him again
[08:54:33] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> haku is up, yomidrgn is up
[08:54:42] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> motherfucker's gonna die. easily.
[08:55:00] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> >His sword is raised
[08:55:04] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> >Proud Slash
[08:55:08] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> >19k damage, OHKO

Act 3:
(http://i.imgur.com/D1tVPus.png)
[09:28:18] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA NO I DID IT AGAIN
[09:28:22] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> TOO MANY DARK ORBS
[09:28:26] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> PERFECT BOARD CHOKE

Victory: The Final Act
(http://i.imgur.com/4W1Ks0f.png)
[09:52:51] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I won
[09:52:53] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I WON
[09:52:54] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> I DID IT
[09:53:02] <~Nadeshiko-Matsuri> AHAHAHAHAHAH EAT IT YOU SHITSACK

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 01, 2015, 03:03:31 PM
What.

WHAT.

(http://imgur.com/Jlo7N3j.png)

Uh, guys, I think my ability to clear this dungeon may be greater than anticipated.

Gabriel scary.

Killing fatty with tank teams is the shit yo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 01, 2015, 03:24:57 PM
And Gabriel's ult ult will only make him SCARIER
and prettier let's be real
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: hyorinryu on December 01, 2015, 04:12:17 PM
I feel like Green Sonia got kinda screwed here. Would two prong teams even want her? I feel like most of them would rather have Verdandi most of the time. I'm hoping they get buffed. I'd prefer the prong and orb enhance become rows. I don't like the offcolor row either, but I doubt that'll go away.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 04:15:54 PM
And Gabriel's ult ult will only make him SCARIER
and prettier let's be real


With super Gabriel I'm legitimately considering finalizing my team as Gabriel/Reine/Snow White/Sun Quan/Beyzul/Gabriel. Note that that team does not include Andromeda. Snow White actually may be more useful overall.

I'll have to do more testing (like beating this dungeon, for one). And possibly the biggest hurdle might be actually finding a reliable friend Gabriel.

And I am not yet convinced that super Gabriel is prettier.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 01, 2015, 04:20:07 PM
I feel like Green Sonia got kinda screwed here. Would two prong teams even want her? I feel like most of them would rather have Verdandi most of the time. I'm hoping they get buffed. I'd prefer the prong and orb enhance become rows. I don't like the offcolor row either, but I doubt that'll go away.

I feel like her additional mult needs to go to 2x for 2 wood combos or something, because she's in a "master of none" situation right now. She got kitted out to play many different ways to fit with the "Balanced" theme which I totally respect, but she doesn't have enough punch to pull it off, especially with two other competitors. (AFreyja and her Holiday self)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: hyorinryu on December 01, 2015, 06:48:18 PM
I feel like her additional mult needs to go to 2x for 2 wood combos or something, because she's in a "master of none" situation right now. She got kitted out to play many different ways to fit with the "Balanced" theme which I totally respect, but she doesn't have enough punch to pull it off, especially with two other competitors. (AFreyja and her Holiday self)

Yeah. Green Sonia is looking pretty subpar next to Freyja and Sylvie. I barely use her at all and I run Perseus. Not even two green rows is pretty lame, especially looking at the Archangels.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on December 01, 2015, 07:41:48 PM
Presently annoyed at myself for wasting 100 stamina on Nordis.

I have a surefire team that only requires me to not fuck up combos and that's basically all I did both times. ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 01, 2015, 08:02:52 PM
Presently annoyed at myself for wasting 100 stamina on Nordis.

I have a surefire team that only requires me to not fuck up combos and that's basically all I did both times. ;_;
I've wasted 150 on Zhou Yu, who I should be able to waltz right over.  Two deaths to the guy himself, and once to XQ most recently because I thought for some reason not using a 7s to finish her was a good idea.  I wouldn't care SO much, but I kinda need another copy of that jerk now(thanks Obama Sakuya.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on December 01, 2015, 08:06:25 PM
I have a surefire team that only requires me to not fuck up combos
orz

Just picked up an attack enhance latent. Which any latent not resist are apparently worthless or situational. The guide suggested putting it on triple prongers, so either mini valk or my baby kagu, or just stick it on a leader just for show.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YGJIn08.jpg)

Our loooooong battle is at an end.

Just got Scarlet left and I'll be back to having beaten every Legend Plus.

Edit: Beat Rogoo as well in my first try today. commandercool's back!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 01, 2015, 10:18:32 PM
orz

Just picked up an attack enhance latent. Which any latent not resist are apparently worthless or situational. The guide suggested putting it on triple prongers, so either mini valk or my baby kagu, or just stick it on a leader just for show.
Despite what guides and others might say, I do not believe the words that stat latents are worthless.  They simply need to be in the right spot.  (Ie Atk on triprongers, RCV on Healers, etc.)

Resists are great, sure, but being one of the best does not make other options BAD.  = D

Autoheal, on the other hand, is worthless due to being too small a value per latent.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on December 01, 2015, 10:34:59 PM
So for Legend Plus dungeons, is it required to have a hypermaxed team or is it doable with a good, at least max level/awoken, composition?

I really want to try a Legend Plus, but I have no confidence in doing so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 01, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
So for Legend Plus dungeons, is it required to have a hypermaxed team or is it doable with a good, at least max level/awoken, composition?

I really want to try a Legend Plus, but I have no confidence in doing so.

You absolutely don't need to have a hypermaxed team. I don't own a full hypermax team at all and i've been able to beat them long before that. You just really have to know what you're doing.

EDIT: The eggs certainly do help though, but just be conscious of your limits.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 10:45:40 PM
So for Legend Plus dungeons, is it required to have a hypermaxed team or is it doable with a good, at least max level/awoken, composition?

I really want to try a Legend Plus, but I have no confidence in doing so.

Nothing is required. Not literaly, if that's what you're asking, and not really practically either. I wouldn't attempt it with anything less than a solid team that you know how to use and maximum levels, awakenings, and skill levels.

And keep in mind that some Legend Plus dungeons are much harder than others. God Rush is widely regarded as the easiest, and Yamato Rush is maybe the hardest. A few of them (Hera, Yamato, and sometimes Scarlet) have massive preemptives that require you to be prepared for them.

Which dungeon are you thinking about trying and what team are you planning to use?

Also, for the record, I don't own a hypermax team either. Two of them are extremely close, and I intend to have one by the end of the week, but I'm not quite there yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 01, 2015, 11:10:08 PM
I own one hyper card and have beaten God, Devil, and Hera Rush, and one of my members of the used team(Berry Dragon) isnt even max level, so you can get pretty far just on proper teamcomp and high/max levels/Awakenings.  Skill levels are HUGE though.  Sun Quan being skilled up is a TREMENDOUS part of my own ability to do them, for example.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 01, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
Ahahahahahaha yamato rush is so fucking stupid

This should not be so difficult, clearly my luck is just wrong tod--

(http://i.imgur.com/8ZgpOnh.jpg)

...that only took a couple stones of attempts. 20-25 DeviNyans.

What.

Re: legend plus dungeons:

Hypermaxes aren't needed, but they surely help. But you should surely have a solid team whose levels are maxed out/awoken and preferably skilled up. Something to mitigate binds/skillbind resistance is always good, as are shields like Susano, Izanami, Kushinada, the Golems (ult Golems are fucking god sends since they're also bind proof).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Tea Devil on December 01, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
Another player's choice roll! C'mon Susa-

-Leonis

...Ah, well, I could use him. I guess. Been stuck with Leonhart for way too long, anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on December 01, 2015, 11:30:51 PM
Nothing is required. Not literaly, if that's what you're asking, and not really practically either. I wouldn't attempt it with anything less than a solid team that you know how to use and maximum levels, awakenings, and skill levels.

And keep in mind that some Legend Plus dungeons are much harder than others. God Rush is widely regarded as the easiest, and Yamato Rush is maybe the hardest. A few of them (Hera, Yamato, and sometimes Scarlet) have massive preemptives that require you to be prepared for them.

Which dungeon are you thinking about trying and what team are you planning to use?

Also, for the record, I don't own a hypermax team either. Two of them are extremely close, and I intend to have one by the end of the week, but I'm not quite there yet.
I was wanting to try Nordis in the descend challenge, but I'm not sure if I'm ready for that.

This is what I have to work with: https://www.padherder.com/user/ruffa/monsters/#31,0,31,511,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;default,0
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 01, 2015, 11:41:35 PM
I was wanting to try Nordis in the descend challenge, but I'm not sure if I'm ready for that.

This is what I have to work with: https://www.padherder.com/user/ruffa/monsters/#31,0,31,511,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;default,0

Nordis might be a decent place to start if you have a spike team, especially a dark-based one with a bind clear. If I'm looking at your stuff right though, it looks like you don't right now.

I'm noticing most of your teams (assuming your teams tab is up to date) rely on a friend Amaterasu. Nordis has three floors in a row featuring dragons with fairly high HP or defense that just instantly kill you, so I'm inclined to guess that a tanky build is probably not going to cut it. I've had a lot of trouble dealing with Threedia with a bulky team in the past in Dragon Rush, so I know that he's some rough shit for any team that can't hit hard and fast. Some kind of Ronia team might be able to do it if you bring a way to deal with floor ten's dark bind. Maybe Aamir, unless there's a better option I'm forgetting?

Given that it looks like many of your teams are relying on decent HP+autoheal, God Rush is probably a better place to start. It's fairly tank-friendly as long as you don't mind spending a lot of time on it. But I don't know, maybe you do have a Nordis team in there and I'm just not seeing it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on December 02, 2015, 12:00:36 AM
Nordis might be a decent place to start if you have a spike team, especially a dark-based one with a bind clear. If I'm looking at your stuff right though, it looks like you don't right now.

I'm noticing most of your teams (assuming your teams tab is up to date) rely on a friend Amaterasu. Nordis has three floors in a row featuring dragons with fairly high HP or defense that just instantly kill you, so I'm inclined to guess that a tanky build is probably not going to cut it. I've had a lot of trouble dealing with Threedia with a bulky team in the past in Dragon Rush, so I know that he's some rough shit for any team that can't hit hard and fast. Some kind of Ronia team might be able to do it if you bring a way to deal with floor ten's dark bind. Maybe Aamir, unless there's a better option I'm forgetting?

Given that it looks like many of your teams are relying on decent HP+autoheal, God Rush is probably a better place to start. It's fairly tank-friendly as long as you don't mind spending a lot of time on it. But I don't know, maybe you do have a Nordis team in there and I'm just not seeing it.
At least that gets me started on some strategies. And yeah, I have gotten a bit spoiled with Awoken Ammy's autoheal and need to get back thinking without it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 12:13:52 AM
Wait what.

I just had Nordis cheat against me. I hit him pretty hard first turn, and he just skipped over Brave Resistance and killed me. It's possible I hit him to 20%, but I don't remember him explicitly using Last Belief. Maybe I missed it. But either way, does he just not use Brave Resistance at all if you hit him to 20%? Or does he have that mechanic where if your HP is low enough he just always prioritizes normal attacks and instantly kills you no matter what and it's just not noted anywhere on PDX? Or is it and I just can't read the notation?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 12:35:51 AM
Wait what.

I just had Nordis cheat against me. I hit him pretty hard first turn, and he just skipped over Brave Resistance and killed me. It's possible I hit him to 20%, but I don't remember him explicitly using Last Belief. Maybe I missed it. But either way, does he just not use Brave Resistance at all if you hit him to 20%? Or does he have that mechanic where if your HP is low enough he just always prioritizes normal attacks and instantly kills you no matter what and it's just not noted anywhere on PDX? Or is it and I just can't read the notation?

If you hit him to 20% or less you just die, end of story
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 12:49:22 AM
If you hit him to 20% or less you just die, end of story

Huh. That's not... Usual is it? Don't most monsters do their attacks in order? Is there something indicating that that's not the case? I feel like writing Brave Resistance as "below 50% but above 20%" rather than "below 50%" would be more descriptive, but whatever.

I wasn't convinced I had actually hit him that hard, but I just picked up my phone and the dungeon was still open, and he was definitely at like 5% health. So I guess I did. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 02, 2015, 12:56:20 AM
Zhou Yu is the same I believe; if he hits his nuke point, he just goes ballistic on you with no regard for his other skills.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 01:10:51 AM
Huh. That's not... Usual is it? Don't most monsters do their attacks in order? Is there something indicating that that's not the case? I feel like writing Brave Resistance as "below 50% but above 20%" rather than "below 50%" would be more descriptive, but whatever.

I wasn't convinced I had actually hit him that hard, but I just picked up my phone and the dungeon was still open, and he was definitely at like 5% health. So I guess I did. :V

Don't trust PDX all the time on those. Priority is enemy-specific and you should learn these on your own, whether by asking or by experience. There's this common misconception going around lately that it's one or the other for low-HP attacks and that's absolutely not true.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 02, 2015, 01:28:46 AM
Well, this was a long time overdue.....
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-12-02-01-09-09_zpsbseijqqp.png)

Dammit, no matter how much i farm Friday dungeon and KoG, Dub-Mythlit are an absurd chokepoint.... i literally have at least 3 monsters ready to evolve if i just dropped the little bastards
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 01:30:14 AM
Don't trust PDX all the time on those. Priority is enemy-specific and you should learn these on your own, whether by asking or by experience. There's this common misconception going around lately that it's one or the other for low-HP attacks and that's absolutely not true.

Hmm, do going back to the "PDX is kind of useless" thing that's been ongoing lately. Not useless, but much less useful than it should be. :wat:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 02, 2015, 01:45:32 AM
Hmm, do going back to the "PDX is kind of useless" thing that's been ongoing lately. Not useless, but much less useful than it should be. :wat:

PDX is generally not accurate for dungeon information. http://pad.skyozora.com usually tends to be more accurate on attack priorities

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on December 02, 2015, 02:00:20 AM
Hey Matsy uh did you ever find a solution to that weird music stalling problem

Cause I got the new Nexus 5X and it has that issue <_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on December 02, 2015, 02:53:22 AM
Hmm, do going back to the "PDX is kind of useless" thing that's been ongoing lately. Not useless, but much less useful than it should be. :wat:

I tend to use Pad Guide on android. It seems a bit more descriptive.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Janitor Morgan on December 02, 2015, 02:53:28 AM
I've been doing some more poking around and apparently people with Samsung devices don't have the problem. Which may be because Samsung does its own stuff to the Android platform and I guess their audio player is better than Google's.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 03:04:16 AM
God dammit it happened again, with Shining Dragon Knight this time. Granted I was trying to stall on him and I only hurt him at all because the game decided to skyfall me into a full Ra activation despite the fact that I was going out of my way to leave out two colors, but I guess if I knew stalling on him was that RNG dangerous maybe I wouldn't have bothered.

PDX is generally not accurate for dungeon information. http://pad.skyozora.com usually tends to be more accurate on attack priorities

That looks good, but I don't speak Japanese and 80% of my PAD browsing is on a mobile device, so any obstacle making navigating even harder is bad news.

Nice to know that there's a more reliable source out there that PDX could use for reference but that it chooses not to, though. :V

I tend to use Pad Guide on android. It seems a bit more descriptive.

I tend to avoid apps for this kind of thing because I can never stay on top of keeping them updated, but I'll take a look at it. Thanks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 02, 2015, 03:26:44 AM
That looks good, but I don't speak Japanese and 80% of my PAD browsing is on a mobile device, so any obstacle making navigating even harder is bad news.

ah yeah it's a Chinese resource (times are in HK/TW region) so that may be a gotcha

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 02, 2015, 03:29:16 AM
Hey Matsy uh did you ever find a solution to that weird music stalling problem

Cause I got the new Nexus 5X and it has that issue <_>

No. They said they'd look into it and it chilled me out for a while but I'm pretty certain they're just straight up not going to do shit about it until a lot of people start complaining about it.

I don't know what else to do honestly. To be honest PAD is even worse on the 5X because sometimes I've been noticing some sound desyncs in general overall-- like I'll do a row and the orb clearing animation will not match up with the row clearing chime. It's a split second but it's very noticeable and very annoying-- though not game-breaking like the lag issue that they just straight up refuse to fix.

I've been doing some more poking around and apparently people with Samsung devices don't have the problem. Which may be because Samsung does its own stuff to the Android platform and I guess their audio player is better than Google's.

fuck me for not being able to afford the galaxy 6 edge plus maximum to the extremest hyper extreme to the core of amazing doubleplus cool amirite? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: hyorinryu on December 02, 2015, 03:56:49 AM
I hear they going to buff the Sonias. Good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 02, 2015, 04:51:27 AM
I hear they going to buff the Sonias. Good.

such announcement will be made later today...

https://t.co/ud16IrLjzb announcements are up!

Gronia got converted to become rows like Blonia! Thank goodness. In the meantime, it's confirmed both of them have a final multiplier of x3.75 when matching 5+ connected orbs of their main color.

REM valks got a major buff again. Getting a 2nd row, and a x1.5 ATK boost when matching 6 connected orbs or more.

Grodin got a major buff, Gungnir now heals 2 turns of bind.

Bodin got minor buff to AS, it enhances now dark orbs in addition to blue orbs. Furthermore, CD is now 10 from 12 (same original CD).

Bodin and Rodin have improved LS. When matching 4+ connected orbs, ATK is increased by a bit. Probably x1.3

DMeta got an SBR. She's also getting something else I lied she isn't appearing to get anything, the Heart OE is an error.

LValk got a skill boost!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 02, 2015, 10:08:05 AM
I love how gungho continually and forever fucks over LMeta and LValk by making their other counterparts so much better in comparison. :V

Stoked for Blonia though! Now she's even stronger. :v

Also happy about the Odins as well. GOdin finally has a use again!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 10:18:12 AM
Nothing is required. Not literaly, if that's what you're asking, and not really practically either. I wouldn't attempt it with anything less than a solid team that you know how to use and maximum levels, awakenings, and skill levels.

More examples of this, I decided to dick around super hard just to see if I could do this.

(http://i.imgur.com/ktZ6umM.png) (http://i.imgur.com/lvo5SEq.png)

Red and Ifrit are mostly unskilled, and less than 600 plus eggs. Awoken Leilan is a pretty hard counter to Nordis though, but this is just an example of low-bar strats you can get away with if you know what you're doing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 02, 2015, 11:48:24 AM
gungho has determined my destiny

(http://i.imgur.com/EpRBnoM.png)

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EETpN1behkI recorded something to help give ideas for speedfarming Kanetsugu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 12:35:45 PM
REM valks got a major buff again. Getting a 2nd row, and a x1.5 ATK boost when matching 6 connected orbs or more.

Grodin got a major buff, Gungnir now heals 2 turns of bind.

Bodin got minor buff to AS, it enhances now dark orbs in addition to blue orbs. Furthermore, CD is now 10 from 12 (same original CD).

Bodin and Rodin have improved LS. When matching 4+ connected orbs, ATK is increased by a bit. Probably x1.3

Whaaaaat.

Valkyrie buff is amazibg, but where's ninja buff?

I think Grodin buff is enough to make me actually want to use him. That's a really solid buff. Now I'm glad mine got so  many skillups during Eva Collab.

As someone who uses a Blodin friend lead a lot, good I guess. I only use him because there aren't more Gabriel friends available, but free bonuses are cool regardless. And I think Rodin/Blodin paired with Awoken Norse might be something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 02, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
I don't want to complain about buffs, but...really GH?  I think the REM Valks are fine.  Give them a REST already, will you?  Same with DMeta.  Also echoing the sentiment that LValk amd, much more importantly, LMeta need to stop getting utterly crushed by their counterparts.

Edit: I only just now realized HOW insane that REM Valk buff is.  9x leads? Nah, 20.25x, with a 9x fallback and at least four rows for doubling up.  That's just...sick.

WHY can't LValk get that as well?  Her LS has always had parity with her purchased sisters...(though of course they steadfastly refuse to give her any rows or another TPA because screw her with a rusty pike due to farmable.  Ugh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 02, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
WHY can't LValk get that as well?  Her LS has always had parity with her purchased sisters...(though of course they steadfastly refuse to give her any rows or another TPA because screw her with a rusty pike due to farmable.  Ugh.

underselling the skill boost a bit there are we

(recall that motherfucking Chibi Valk had a skill boost)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 02, 2015, 02:29:19 PM
I do understand the SB is probably a bigger deal than I was giving it credit for, but...  I dunno, maybe I've gotten too used to teams almost having all their actives up from the word go if maxskilled. 

(And yeah, chibi Valk is her own type of ridiculous, I don't deny that.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 02:33:15 PM
White Valkyrie is a conundrum. On one hand I understand why she has to be worse than the others. I would be pissed if she was exactly the same but you could get her for free. That would seem like a real slap in the face to the other colors. On the other hand, it sucks that white just doesn't have a better option.

I mean, black had Vampire, but it still got a REM Valkyrie? Why does it get a farmable one and a premium one and white doesn't? Edit: Not to mention the heartbreakers of the other colors, which I briefly forgot about. Shut up, it's early. :p

The way I see it, there are two fixes for this, although it's probably too late for either of them. Either just give white two Valkyries, a farmable weaker one and a stronger REM one (although that would massively devalue the iconic monster that Rose is, which sucks) or just make her significantly different from the others. If she had awakenings that were completely different, being less obviously good but not straight-up worse either, she could justify her existence. Like maybe give her three or more orb enhances, or fully defensive awakenings with multiple jammer, poison, and blind resists. Anything to make her more than just "the shitty Valkyrie".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 02, 2015, 02:38:41 PM
If she had just one more TPA(replacing something I mean, not an additional Awakening)and LS parity(though the bigger problem is the buff existing in the first place because holy crap that's too high IMO.  Maybe like 1.2x or 1.33x or something.), I think that'd be enough.  No rows necessary, she can just have the OEs or whatever instead since then she's still essentially weaker(because having her be equal bur farmable would be beyond stupid, yes) while being less horridly overmatched.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on December 02, 2015, 03:07:46 PM
We do already have REM lvalk replacements - they're chibivalk and seiya (jp only) :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 03:19:17 PM
Is valkyrie the same rarity? I thought she was rarer for some reason. The symmetry is off since she's not typically in the same carnivals and shit as the others, but yeah, that basically works.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on December 02, 2015, 04:08:39 PM
Is valkyrie the same rarity? I thought she was rarer for some reason. The symmetry is off since she's not typically in the same carnivals and shit as the others, but yeah, that basically works.

Ult Chibi Valk has only 6 Stars instead of 8. which is awesome for S-Ranks
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
Promoted.

(http://i.imgur.com/NFNLXtC.jpg)

Yup, I guess I'm doing this.

Sorry Ruka, you're out it seems. You're great and all, but you're just not bindproof. Maybe you'll get buffed soon.

You're out too, Andro. With my team gaining five rows soon I don't want you any more. Never bother me again.

Now the trick is to find more Gabriel friends. I offered to best friend the one guy who I know has one if he would be willing to put it in his best friend slot, but he seems to be ignoring me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 02, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
She's... really solid at near hypermax. Dang. o_o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 02, 2015, 05:31:10 PM
You're out too, Andro. With my team gaining five rows soon I don't want you any more. Never bother me again.

You realize that after this sentence you are quite likely to drop Andro in the Christmas REM, right?  :V

On the matter of the buffs: Yippie! Now i REALLY have to max Claire.....

P.S. Anyone that could put up unevo Darkseid for Draggie?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Me: Oh hey, now that I've beaten all these things in Challenge Descend 5 with Alraune, surely this means I have the full right to crush them now with "real teams", right?


*Goes into Yamato Rush with Nut/Orochi, bodied*

Try again, bodied again.

Me: fuk this

*Goes in with double bastet*

BODIED AGAIN

Me: dood wtf why can't I beat air man

Someone else: Clearly it's because Alraune is superior

*Runs out of options and patience, tries with Alraune once*

(http://i.imgur.com/U8l8ToK.png)

All those "real teams" can go to hell. This IS the real team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: hyorinryu on December 02, 2015, 05:34:25 PM
You realize that after this sentence you are quite likely to drop Andro in the Christmas REM, right?  :V

On the matter of the buffs: Yippie! Now i REALLY have to max Claire.....

P.S. Anyone that could put up unevo Darkseid for Draggie?

I have one but he's not leveled. That okay with you? I also have a leveled dark hello kitty person.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 02, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
(http://imgur.com/KJ8FPJr.jpg)

Finally.
I replaced Supergirl with Genie so I could have an immense number of fuckups. Using her on the turn I killed Genie would let me eat one of Zaerogoo's challenge hits for free, which I, uh, took advantage of a lot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 02, 2015, 05:50:33 PM
I have one but he's not leveled. That okay with you? I also have a leveled dark hello kitty person.

Of course it's ok  ;) my own Darkseid is a bit plussed so it should compensate (and besides it's the multiplier that count)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 05:52:28 PM
She's... really solid at near hypermax. Dang. o_o

I know, right? Only drawback is her abysmal attack, but with my freakish burst multiplier she's still hitting like a truck when I need her to. And she's not a healer so she doesn't get boosted by Sun Quan, but my optimal team is still 4/6 healers, so it's basically a wash.

I looked at the other fairy tale girls, but unfortunately none of the others look half as good to me. Worse stat distributions, a single prong instead of a row, and no bind clear awakening means they're far less appealing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 02, 2015, 06:02:18 PM
(http://imgur.com/R2Dmmn1.jpg)

No row excuse me?

It's also so weird having dual skillmaxed Zaerogoo leads. Perpetual dark skyfall boosts and a free haste every three turns???

... If I remembered to use them when they come up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Sapz on December 02, 2015, 06:04:57 PM
I dunno, man, I'm seeing a row. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 06:15:32 PM
(http://imgur.com/R2Dmmn1.jpg)

No row excuse me?

Riding Hood is the only one I don't own so I just assumed. I'd say that skill bind resist isn't quite as good as a bind clear for my purposes, but depending on the team it might be good.

And I don't know her stat distribution offhand, but Healer/Physical sounds like it probably ends up being similar to Snow White (which is to say, the least intrusive for a monster with base stats that low).

Red rows are slightly less prominent than blue rows right now, but they're definitely still a thing. So that being the case I'd say there are probably two great fairy tale girls, and three decent ones.

And clearly I need to get Riding Hood now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 02, 2015, 06:39:48 PM
She's got 3003/810/511 stats, which for a utility heartmaker is really nice. Leave the damage to the rest of the team, which is what her row is for.

While red rows may not be as prominent, we do have Awoken Suzaku with double rows, Belial with three rows, Kiriko, Lifive...

It's not completely barren, at least. Unlike, say, Light Devils?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 02, 2015, 07:04:36 PM
...did I keep mine when I rolled it?  Because hot dang, 3993/1305/808 sounds pretty darn appealing all of a sudden for some situations, especially since I think I might be able to hit full SBR with the right setup if I make the right kinda fire team(Probably would be using Urd lead here once I evolve her/awaken/level her, which is something I've been meaning to do ANYWAY).

Urd/Cao Cao/AShiva/RRH/Squall/Urd?  Let's see, Urd has one(so two for doubling), Cao Cao has one, RRH has one, and AShiva has one!  Just enough!  Although there's more of a TPA focus there so her row's wasted, but whatever, she can be a fulltime cleric(and make ammo for Squall on the chance I don't have an Urd up or want her hearts for actual healing) and I doubt I'd be too terribly off.  Unbindable bind clear for fire is also reeeeally nice since that's normally one of fire's sticking points if you don't have Uzume IIRC.

EDIT:  Darn, I guess I did.  Lessons learned I suppose, and I can still hit SBR100% with Mitsuki's help so I get at least part of the deal back.  Ah well, RRH's a 4* so I'm sure one will show up eventually once I forget about wanting her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 07:15:44 PM
Lol@ Riding Hood's name. "Happy Forest Maiden". Ha.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 07:38:58 PM
Just going to also throw out there while everyone's on this line of thought, that if anyone wanted to skill Red/Snow White/Thumbelina, now is the best time.

Guan Yinping in this Challenge Descend has absolutely no restrictions, and all three high ninjas appear at some point in the run. There's also no invades in it so you can't get denied any of their appearances either. I'm not sure if this has ever recurred in JP, but in case it hasn't, this is your only shot to just mow down Yinping for the skillups with anything at your disposal.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on December 02, 2015, 07:46:05 PM
I know haste makes skill CD shorter at the start of the dungeon, but does it do anything after a skill is used? Just curious since some people make it sound like it does.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 07:48:34 PM
Would somebody mind explaining this coin rotation to me? Is this the one with the 5x4 descends that drop resist latents? If so which dungeons drop latents, which ones do they drop, and what do we know about the rates?

I think I heard that Ur drops red resists right now, is that right? I might have to put hypermaxing Snow White on hold so I can make sure I don't miss out. Because christ, them shits are expensive in the store.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 07:50:41 PM
I know haste makes skill CD shorter at the start of the dungeon, but does it do anything after a skill is used? Just curious since some people make it sound like it does.

Sounds like you're conflating haste and skill boost. Skill boost is an awakening that charges your skills at the start of the dungeon, and that's it. Haste is an added effect on some active skills that charges all of your other skills, and it doesn't do anything until you activate it. Did I understand your question right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 02, 2015, 08:01:30 PM
ahahahaha eat shit Nordis

(http://imgur.com/bYi40cu.jpg)

Thank you, Matsy, for reminding me that Yomidra exists.

I was stuck wondering what to do with my active skills for a while. "Yomi then Persephone would give me 21 dark orbs and I don't want to mimic Matsy's tragedy"

Byakko boards are really scary, too, and I couldn't tell if I'd even get any enhanced dark orbs

Until I realized I could use Persephone then Yomi for exactly 17 dark orbs, for a perfect 5+4+4+4 kill.


Edit: what the fuck
FotNS has Goetia skillups I need to get the fuck on this
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 08:32:23 PM
Edit: what the fuck
FotNS has Goetia skillups I need to get the fuck on this

Oh shit. I was very close to dumping Piis into Armadel (her only guaranteed drop is fucking Scarlet) but if there's a chance for real skillups I won't.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on December 02, 2015, 08:33:45 PM
did yamato rush yolo forgetting a bind clear

destroyed in one run

all hail jotunn
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 09:55:44 PM
Would somebody mind explaining this coin rotation to me? Is this the one with the 5x4 descends that drop resist latents? If so which dungeons drop latents, which ones do they drop, and what do we know about the rates?

I think I heard that Ur drops red resists right now, is that right? I might have to put hypermaxing Snow White on hold so I can make sure I don't miss out. Because christ, them shits are expensive in the store.

This rotation is just vanilla descends, we supposedly get the 5x4 Ur on 12/11, my bad for the confusion.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 02, 2015, 10:02:26 PM
This rotation is just vanilla descends, we supposedly get the 5x4 Ur on 12/11, my bad for the confusion.

Kay cool. No problem. I'm not really ready to farm right now anyway, so it's just as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on December 02, 2015, 10:27:06 PM
Did 2 more rolls this morning thanks to the 1$ bundle. (5 minutes before the REM ended)

- Fire Valk
- Verdandi  :o

Stop it game, do you really want me to play Norns so badly? I'm already trying to skill a Verdandi gdi

(http://i.imgur.com/YBjraFw.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 02, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
N   O   R   N   Sthey're everywhere
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Ruka on December 02, 2015, 10:59:40 PM
Sounds like you're conflating haste and skill boost. Skill boost is an awakening that charges your skills at the start of the dungeon, and that's it. Haste is an added effect on some active skills that charges all of your other skills, and it doesn't do anything until you activate it. Did I understand your question right?
....right. That's totally it. I thought they were the same thing for some reason.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on December 02, 2015, 11:29:10 PM
(http://imgur.com/KJ8FPJr.jpg)

Finally.
I replaced Supergirl with Genie so I could have an immense number of fuckups. Using her on the turn I killed Genie would let me eat one of Zaerogoo's challenge hits for free, which I, uh, took advantage of a lot.

Congratz, what was your full team for this?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 03, 2015, 12:02:56 AM
Congratz, what was your full team for this?

LZL/LValk/Sandalphon/Kiriko/Genie/Awoken Ammy

Yes, I realize Genie is not healer. :V

X5 attack is really huge for LZL.
The cool thing is, since everybody starts at level 1, you can still put in zero investment into Genie and have a useful sub.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 03, 2015, 03:01:20 AM
While red rows may not be as prominent, we do have Awoken Suzaku with double rows, Belial with three rows, Kiriko, Lifive...


red rows is pretty absurd, barring shiva dragon (2):

R/L Ares = 3
Goemon ult = 2
A.Leilan = 2 (normal Leilan has 1)
UUVO Belial = 3
UUVO Uriel = 3
Scarlet = 2
Prometheus = 2
Ronia = 1
Chibi Ronia = 2
Yamato Takeru = 1
Red Riding Hood = 1
Raoh = 2
Freyr = 2 (Awoken Freyr is 2 row/2 tpa)
Kiriko = 1
Gadius = 2
Mamiya = 1
Surtr = 1
Lifive  = 1
RValk = 2 (used to be 1)
Ifrits = 2
Kagu = 1
Y. Sanada = 2
Thuban = 2
Rodin = 4
RGY = 1
Misato = 1 (2 tpa)
Amenouzume = 1

DC COLLAB BUFFS AND SHIT

http://pad.gungho.jp/member/collabo/151203_dc.html


Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 03, 2015, 09:09:59 AM
Someone remind me not to play pad when dazed or sleepy. When I somehow get myself into horrendously bad situations like having to beat up Hades with subelement damage, you know shit has hit the fan.

(http://i.imgur.com/RAUim9v.png) (http://i.imgur.com/AEFe13V.png) (http://i.imgur.com/glo58JU.png) (http://i.imgur.com/8RfLydy.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 03, 2015, 12:02:34 PM
Here's one for you, jq

(http://i.imgur.com/fsc25oM.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 03, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
So good.

Oh right, Awoken I&I in NA, that's a thing that exists, though we lack Aegir to make them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on December 03, 2015, 12:34:11 PM
LZL/LValk/Sandalphon/Kiriko/Genie/Awoken Ammy

Yes, I realize Genie is not healer. :V

X5 attack is really huge for LZL.
The cool thing is, since everybody starts at level 1, you can still put in zero investment into Genie and have a useful sub.

I'm looking for ways to build a team for this dungeon, but I'm not sure what to do to get it done.
I have unskilled LZL, 2 Chibi valks, LKali, chibi meta, unskilled Unicornrider, unskilled Elia.
I'm not sure how to build the team though, LZL + Friend AwokenAmmy sounds like it could do a lot of damage.
Genie sounds amazing for Zearogs 8 combo bullshit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 03, 2015, 02:23:34 PM
You don't really need any skillups except on valkyries. A five cd Valk used to kill Heavy Metal Dragon is near guaranteed to be up by the time the final wave's shield is down after Awoken Ammy hastes.

You also only need like one double/triple donger at +99 ATK to get through the super kings.

Elia isn't that good as she'll gain like 10 levels through the dungeon.
Assuming that Awoken Ammy is +297, you can stall infinitely on most of the pirate dragons, the purple shields (if you isolate one). You can also use subattribute damage to kill pengdra/small dragon waves to preserve light orbs for later.

I absolutely- do recommend Sandalphon (or shynee), as you pretty much need to kill Zaerogoo in one go.

I would say LZL, Valk, (Damage Enhance), Unicorn Rider, Genie, Amaterasu.

Just save Unicorn Rider for the boss to get more valk ammo and have at him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 03, 2015, 02:47:23 PM
the magic of removing cost restriction on tengu. similar speed as goemon/zeus but with 1 extra plus egg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54HL7lIkOAg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 03, 2015, 02:56:47 PM
I hear JP got a new memorial egg machine for rank 250. It's all newer stuff too (Three Kingdoms and up) so less chance for a duplicate. I wonder how long it'll be until we get it here.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 03, 2015, 04:50:41 PM
Wait, Tengu isn't cost restricted anymore?  Huh.  Well, that's one conditional type that really DOES need to die anyway.

I will fight anyone who says the thing with relaxing nodupes that happened a little while ago isn't stupid as heck though but that's its own thing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dorakyura on December 03, 2015, 06:36:30 PM
Wait, Tengu isn't cost restricted anymore?  Huh.  Well, that's one conditional type that really DOES need to die anyway.

I will fight anyone who says the thing with relaxing nodupes that happened a little while ago isn't stupid as heck though but that's its own thing.

She said it is the challenge descended version of it. Our dungeons right now also miss the restrictions (super easy kaguya lol)

I absolutely- do recommend Sandalphon (or shynee), as you pretty much need to kill Zaerogoo in one go.

I would say LZL, Valk, (Damage Enhance), Unicorn Rider, Genie, Amaterasu.

Just save Unicorn Rider for the boss to get more valk ammo and have at him.

THank you, I'll see to get this up for testing.
Getting Sandalphone might be hard, since I cannot do it with Nephthys, have to see if my Fire Team can beat it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on December 04, 2015, 01:08:32 AM
please remove the cost on gaia next that dungeon is the worst
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 04, 2015, 01:10:44 AM
Whoops I missed the note on it being Challenge Descend, haha.  Oh well, guess it's still Descend Carnival punching for people who want him without doimg his bullcrap stage,
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 04, 2015, 01:48:19 AM
Couple of things.

First:

(http://i.imgur.com/uuX6DWb.png)

sick stats! (I have a Blonia ulted too and a second one I'm not gonna really invest in til I max-skill that one)

Secondly, I decided to test out the new LS buff to the REM Valks, using Green Valk:

(http://i.imgur.com/SBuNrzi.png)

uh yeah dude gungho I think that's enough buffing valks for a while.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 04, 2015, 02:31:49 AM

yoo I didn't notice you were r500

welcome to the 500 club it's boring here
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 04, 2015, 09:37:51 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/672697360351256576

Here's Awoken Machine Hera. She has exactly 1000 weighted stats.

Her LS:
x3 ATK when above 80% HP.
During Coop Play, x2.5 ATK and RCV

Two new awakenings:
First one looks related to Coop Play.
Second one looks like a God Type booster.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 04, 2015, 01:55:36 PM
Oh hey, another benefit of Snow White on my Gabriel team that I didn't think about is that she makes Friday Dungeon faster and virtually orbtroll-proof. Can't get me a motherfucking Angelit to save my life though. I'm up to eight Devilits in a row. EIGHT. IN A ROW.

Edit: Well, at least Devilit skills up Satsuki now. Too bad I threw away six Devilits last Friday.

Edit edit: Fine, nine Devilits in a row. Also I'm 0/7 on skillups today. Fucking lovely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 04, 2015, 04:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/672697360351256576

Here's Awoken Machine Hera. She has exactly 1000 weighted stats.

Her LS:
x3 ATK when above 80% HP.
During Coop Play, x2.5 ATK and RCV

Two new awakenings:
First one looks related to Coop Play.
Second one looks like a God Type booster.

1? thought: "Holy mother of stat stick!  :o"
2? thought: "Ohhh! New awakenings! Really interested about the..... God row?  :wat: "
3? thought: "Wait.... i think this is a new record: Blonia kept the throne of highest weighted stats in the game for a grand total of TWO DAYS  :V"

On an unrelated news, i finally Awoken my starter god, Karin! It has been so long since i last used her..... -_-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 04, 2015, 04:51:29 PM
On an unrelated news, i finally Awoken my starter god, Karin! It has been so long since i last used her..... -_-
More Karins!  MORE!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 04, 2015, 05:36:09 PM
Oh yeah, almost forgot: What are the DC collab buffs?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on December 04, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
Oh yeah, almost forgot: What are the DC collab buffs?

http://pad.gungho.jp/member/collabo/151203_dc_powerup.html

Supergirl and Green Arrow get haste on their active, green arrow loses spread cats

Superman's leaderskill gets atk/hp boost to physical/attacker

Supergirl gets a second TPA as her 4th awakening

All the 4 stars except wonder woman get +100 HP, she gets +50 atk
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 04, 2015, 06:41:43 PM
Interesting. So nothing to make any of them really stand out unfortunately (depending on Superman's exact numbers I guess), but good to have
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 04, 2015, 06:59:55 PM
More Karins!  MORE!

I actually have a second Karin still unevolved  :3

Btw, this seems to be my personal "Awoken-fest" week: first Sakuya, 2 days ago Shiva, today Karin AND Ceres 2 minutes ago, and i am literally 2 Dub-mythlit away from Awoken Amaterasu! ^^ too bad i'm now almost out of jewels (except wood, holy smokes after all this i STILL have 6 of them?!  :wat:)

Speaking of dupes, what do you think i should do with my second Karin and I&I? Is there any point in evolving them to B/D Karin and B/L I&I or should i go for all Awokens?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 04, 2015, 07:30:29 PM
I'm honestly not sure, haha.  Been wonderimg what to do with my own dupe Karin when I can be bothered.  Awoken is stronger, but BD is tempting for allowing more team variance since dark is no longer needing to be covered.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 04, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Just beat Extreme Endless Corridors 7x6 with Ra. It's much easier than the normal one obviously, but now I'm pretty sure he can handle it regardless. I never bothered because I didn't want to risk the whole thing on a coin flip of which resist Zaerog gets, but white Sonia is so slow that I don't really need to go into her with much ammo up, so I can delay Zaerog with no worries and just stall out his shield.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 04, 2015, 10:01:28 PM
So I think I'll be hypermaxing Awoken I&I as my next short term goal. Anyone got a Ryune they want partners for? ;D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 04, 2015, 11:16:45 PM
I wiiiiish!  I spent all my stones because she was there and Andros seemed to be falling from the skies, but alas.  Another water 6* to chase I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 05, 2015, 02:17:32 AM
Oof, still haven't gotten over the shock of going from a 7x6 board back to a normal board. There's so few orbs now...

Aegir didn't hold up well to Ra, turns out. That felt kind of dirty. Almost wish they had put some anti-rainbow stuff in there to prevent steamrolling, but fucking Leviathan so I guess maybe not.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 05, 2015, 02:30:31 AM
well

I beat both versions, claimed my stone, rolled the FotNS machine

Raoh get???????

fuckers I can field Raoh/Belial/Suzaku/Kiriko/Chiyome/Raoh and it would outclass Yamato Takeru in every way
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 05, 2015, 03:06:35 AM
Okay so

Do not ever play pad directly after a nap

I cannot combo worth shit when I'm half asleep.

RIP hour zero clear orz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on December 05, 2015, 03:08:27 AM
I reach 50 stamina in 25 minutes and if I get anything other than Light, I'm going to scream. Literally every other color has appeared like >3x already. Blue fucking appeared like 5 times and I already have like 6 of those suckers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 05, 2015, 03:22:16 AM
Too easy. Come back when you're ready to have a REAL party, Aegir.

(http://i.imgur.com/aiLp1Tz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UW8rfaj.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 05, 2015, 05:11:13 AM
I'll stream PAD on Kamcord (https://www.kamcord.com/profile/trancehime) now if anyone cares. Might do arena runs there.

(http://i.imgur.com/ULqVRw9.png)

i'm not sure how this worked
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 05, 2015, 04:38:02 PM
Oof, still haven't gotten over the shock of going from a 7x6 board back to a normal board. There's so few orbs now...

Aegir didn't hold up well to Ra, turns out. That felt kind of dirty. Almost wish they had put some anti-rainbow stuff in there to prevent steamrolling, but fucking Leviathan so I guess maybe not.

Agreed. Decided to run it with A.Kirin, 0-stoned first try both difficulties  :V

Particularly "amusing" the mythical one, when i got TWO boards back-to-back that i couldn't activate Sakuya......... against Leviathan

*see board with 1 water orb*
*grumble, clear 3/4 of the board*
"....are you SERIOUSLY telling me i skyfell ONE water orb in a 7x6?! Fine jackass, let see if you like this....."
*Lkali active to oneshot Leviathan*
*Valk AND Verche actives ---> ridiculous amount of light orbs*
Get a 13-combo with 4 light 2-prong...... Aegir mythical oneshot with leaders alone  ::)

EDIT: what the &%$? must i do to drop ONE &%&%$ Dark Xuanzang?!?!?!  :X Light=drop, light=drop, DARK! lolnope no drop, light=drop......
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 05, 2015, 05:02:43 PM
Wait for Journey to the West to come back?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 05, 2015, 08:07:47 PM
(http://imgur.com/6Y5aAL6.jpg)

Well that was unexpected.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 05, 2015, 08:24:20 PM
Much thanks Matsy for your Norse Goddesses' help in wrecking Aegir.  Hermes enjoyed their company, though Freyr almost ended me. Had JUST enough HP to eat Volcanic Blade and then I basically laughed all the way through the boss.  Quite the party indeed!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 05, 2015, 08:40:21 PM
Is it just me or is Awoken I&I's art an overt Black Rock Shooter reference?

I'll have to experiment with them to decide if they're worth pairing with Gabriel ever. They... Might be I guess? Since it looks like dual Gabriels is never going to happen I might have to settle.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 06, 2015, 01:26:43 AM
so i uh

ragebought 6 stones and spent 2 of my own

8 stones trying to beat Yamato Rush with ASaku

got frustrated and tried it with Awoken I&I/Awoken Susano/Skuld/BOdin/BMeta/Ryune

lazily tanked my way through kanetsugu
>Hangry!
oh fuck me I qui--

wait I just OHKO'd it with double rows + BOdin enhance + I&I enhance

well then
kaguya slowly chipped down to nothing
wow thanks for the free water orbs wadatsumi
slowly stalled my way through kagutsuchi, popping Orochi near the end to make sure all my actives were ready
tanked Goemon's bullshit opener THAT'S RIGHT FUCK YOU
slowly chipped him down to about 45%
Skuld + BOdin + I&I Actives
a couple normal combos, a water TPA, and a water row

millions of damage

won on my first try with them

....

Awoken I&I + Ryune is scary

yuri sisters EARNED that +50 tama
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 06, 2015, 03:27:14 AM
rows is scary

yuri sisters EARNED that +50 tama

fixed that for you

but yeah
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 06, 2015, 03:38:49 AM
well I was referring more to the whole "I have 2x HP and 2.5x RCV which lets me tank shit and recover it just as easily while doing stupid damage with rows and tpa because my team isn't strictly rows yet" but ye
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 06, 2015, 05:57:30 AM
well I was referring more to the whole "I have 2x HP and 2.5x RCV which lets me tank shit and recover it just as easily while doing stupid damage with rows and tpa because my team isn't strictly rows yet" but ye

Yeah of course. I've been experimenting a bit more with this kind of setup.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 06, 2015, 09:16:31 AM
It's done.

(http://i.imgur.com/OXI7R5Y.png) (http://i.imgur.com/iz8xx6e.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HVpH4z8.png) (http://i.imgur.com/YpdkHvF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/37Q6i1F.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ZjHNypg.png) (http://i.imgur.com/gjhD2Sx.png) (http://i.imgur.com/v4oCwCS.png)

also ccool you need to tell beyzul to calm the fuk down, he didn't even wait to attack!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 06, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
also ccool you need to tell beyzul to calm the fuk down, he didn't even wait to attack!

Kudos Chirei!

Well, after Ilsix stole his place next to sexy new Blonia the guy have some reasons to be pissed....  :V

Just like i have some reasons right now to hate whoever thought challenge mode for endgame technicals was fun...... i had around 110 stam and 5k exp to level up, so i decided to try Kouryu challenge mode but OF COURSE the game had to be a fucking bastard and leave me without heart orbs even after 2 Ronia's actives.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 06, 2015, 01:51:25 PM
some more +297 hot off the press

(http://i.imgur.com/M6ec5H0.png) (http://i.imgur.com/vSPIvYM.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 06, 2015, 02:03:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jOnECD3.jpg)

My first "finished" team (aside from only being about half latent awoken). Ra is only about 100 +eggs short on one Kali of being all hypermax as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 06, 2015, 07:36:59 PM
that's a scary team, ccool

which is ironic, because Gabriel isn't very scary looking

Question. Can Kenshiro's Chibidra, you know. Stop. Stealing. Goetia skillups?

I got fucking Wee Jas skillmaxed but he's the last person I want to use right now...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 06, 2015, 08:56:39 PM
What's more scary is that ccool is pulling ~20k+ HP (without friend lead) with a mostly Healer team. :P

Running double gabe/GabexRyune should get you almost 100,000 HP, right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on December 06, 2015, 09:53:34 PM
Running double gabe/GabexRyune should get you almost 100,000 HP, right?

20455 + Friend Gabe's 2538 HP + 990 from plus eggs x4 from LSs = 95932HP.

Plus a whopping 21012RCV.

And the burst potential of rows + Beyzul.

No wonder CCool can do so much with this team, holy shit.

Oh right and I finally caught up on my Technical Dungeons and beat Paradise of the Holy Beasts. With horus actually!

I would've died if Haku had done anything besides her gravity at one point... But she didn't so I'm k :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 06, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
What's more scary is that ccool is pulling ~20k+ HP (without friend lead) with a mostly Healer team. :P

Running double gabe/GabexRyune should get you almost 100,000 HP, right?

95,932 with double Gabriels, 99,452 with Ryune. And even MORE (slightly) once I get the last HP latent I need for Beyzul.

Speaking of which, I need a shitload of Ryune friends. My inability to pay attention to the Dragonbound because of how generic they look means that I didn't even know what she was before now, but she would make a great friend. Not as good as dual Gabriel probably, but better than the U/W I&I that I had been using and will probably never see another one of ever again.

20455 + Friend Gabe's 2538 HP + 990 from plus eggs x4 from LSs = 95932HP.

Plus a whopping 21012RCV.

And the burst potential of rows + Beyzul.

No wonder CCool can do so much with this team, holy shit.

The main weakness before was binds, but Snow White takes care of that very effectively. Well, and the fact that it can't really handle situations where I have to burst two floors in a row, but with that much HP I can actually tank some GTFO attacks. And in certain situations I might actually be able to take down two bulky bosses in a row, since a Gabriel or Ryune friend can set me up for another, smaller burst even if Valkyrie is on cooldown.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 06, 2015, 11:26:16 PM
You keep saying they look generic and I never can understand what on earth you're talking about. They all look pretty rad imo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 12:25:48 AM
They're well-drawn, I guess I'm just tired of dragon waifus. Between that series and whatever series Sumire is from there are just soooo many of them that I can't wrap my head around which is which.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 07, 2015, 12:33:47 AM
It's also surprising how this team's existence ran on Ruka for the longest time, now replaced by yet another silver egg.

Since the team is slowly losing the number of healers that it has, would you consider Awoken Orochi in place of Sun Quan? Another skill boost, losing a row. Surprisingly similar cooldowns on their active skills, though obviously anything that you use their actives on is going to die a slow death.

It would indeed push you over the 100,000 HP mark even when using double Gabes. xD

I also agree that a lot of GFE were introduced with very little time in between. It's hard to get my bearings on what their names are, and the nuances of all their skills.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 12:40:54 AM
I haven't considered Orochi, so I'll have to look into it. I'm a huge fan of Sun Quan's active, but it's worth looking at.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 07, 2015, 12:58:04 AM
As an avid user of both(though admittedly never using SQ's for the boost due to my relatively small stable of water healers), I can tell you for certain that there are some times one is good and other times that the other is better.  SQ's better for when you need more damage and/or a faster active(since even Awoken Orochi maxes at 15 turns which is 2 turns slower than SQ at max), while Orochi/Awoken Orochi has the distinct bulk advantage, which is exaggerated to an incredible degree in your case due to your hilariously over the top HP multiplier.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 07, 2015, 01:15:07 AM
I suppose there's something else to consider, that once Sun Quan's delay is over (should you use both free turns), he will end up with a remaining cd of 11.
If you take your time and milk all of Awoken Orochi's delay turns, Orochi will also end up at 11 turns remaining, while the rest of the team will have 2 extra turns of charge under their belts. Orochi's extra skill boost also means you'll only wait one extra turn for his delay over Sun Quan.

Of course, Sun Quan has more ATK and RCV, an offensive boost on his active, and a second row. But there is value of having at least one triple (quaddonger in this case) for overwhelming defenses, or just for orb efficiency.

If you have options, take a look at both. It's not like you're hoping to roll Andromeda anymore, amirite?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 07, 2015, 01:49:33 AM
I don't know why it took me longer than beating XEC with Alraune to finally do it, but it's done.

(http://i.imgur.com/w35Gshl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/WeICBPW.png) (http://i.imgur.com/aaBP6Tr.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 07, 2015, 02:59:57 AM
For the non-IRC crowd:
(http://i.imgur.com/0bmiwWU.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 03:13:43 AM
I suppose there's something else to consider, that once Sun Quan's delay is over (should you use both free turns), he will end up with a remaining cd of 11.
If you take your time and milk all of Awoken Orochi's delay turns, Orochi will also end up at 11 turns remaining, while the rest of the team will have 2 extra turns of charge under their belts. Orochi's extra skill boost also means you'll only wait one extra turn for his delay over Sun Quan.

That could be valuable in those multiple consecutive burst situations because it gives me some more flexibility with Reine, but most of those that are actually a problem for me right now involve things that are immune to delay. Might be handy for getting Beyzul ready to immediately switch back as well, but again there are very few scenarios in the game right now where that matters.

Of course, Sun Quan has more ATK and RCV, an offensive boost on his active, and a second row. But there is value of having at least one triple (quaddonger in this case) for overwhelming defenses, or just for orb efficiency.

I can't see every actually needing the quad prong for anything. I use Blodin friend leads sometimes and it just doesn't matter that much. There are virtually no enemies in the game right now that have high defense that I absolutely need to crack and don't need to use rows for instead. It's nice for chipping down random floors slightly faster and saving some time, but I don't think it's ever going to be a big deal, while the massive attack reduction is going to matter. Maybe I've underestimating quad prongs though, I've (obviously) never played with them before.

If you have options, take a look at both. It's not like you're hoping to roll Andromeda anymore, amirite?

Yeah, I do have an Orochi just laying around. Don't really want to have to hypermax another thing right away, but if I'm using Orochi for niche stuff he probably doesn't need to be hyper. And I would love an excuse to throw away some blue orbs and Bubpiis, since right now they're just clogging my box. I almost never pull blue stuff despite the fact that I main blue so I never have a place to put them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 07, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
For the non-IRC crowd:
(http://i.imgur.com/0bmiwWU.jpg)

Thanks Jq, i'll have warm nightmares tonight after seeing THAT.....  :V

I was wondering ccool.... i have zero experience with your kind of team so this might be silly but have you considered A.I&I in place of Beyzul?

You lose that phat x4 and a bit of HP but in exchange you get quite a few upsides..... would the damage of your team be somewhat similar with I&I's active? Because if you still manage to ohko anything she would probably be better....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 12:36:28 PM
Thanks Jq, i'll have warm nightmares tonight after seeing THAT.....  :V

I was wondering ccool.... i have zero experience with your kind of team so this might be silly but have you considered A.I&I in place of Beyzul?

You lose that phat x4 and a bit of HP but in exchange you get quite a few upsides..... would the damage of your team be somewhat similar with I&I's active? Because if you still manage to ohko anything she would probably be better....

Well, first off I don't own I&I, so that's not even an option. But even if I did they wouldn't be fully ideal.

What makes Beyzul special is that his "enhance" stacks with other enhance effects. It's rare for actives like that to be sble to stack in PAD. Assuming I have dual super Gabriel leads, my attack looks like this:

With Beyzul I have 1.5 (friend Gabe)x4 (Beyzul)x2 (Sun Quan enhance) for a total of a 12x total multiplier.

With I&I I have 1.5 (my Gabriel)x 1.5 (friend Gabriel) x2 (I&I enhance) for a total of 4.5x.

So because Beyzul's multiplier is so much larger than other enhances in the game and stacks with other actives in a way that basically nothing else does, it's possible to get much larger numbers with him than it would be with I&I in the same slot. I've used normal, non-Awoken I&I friends before and have learned that havibg two non-stacking enhances is not that useful on this team. Because Reine is required to do huge damage it just rarely comes up that I NEED to burst close enough together that I have time to stall her back up but don't have time to stall for Sun Quan. Granted even one turn of haste might occasionally be a life-saver when talking about a skill with a five turn cooldown, but that's another one of those things where the number of spots in the game where it matters is very few right now.

So there are probably dungeons where a 12x max multiplier isn't required, and in those cases I could hypothetically replace Beyzul with I&I to get more rows, recovery, and skillboosts. But if that's the case then I can't think of a dungeon  where anything I&I brings to the table would actually be required over just a stat stick. I do occasionally swap out Beyzul for something with more skillboosts so that I can handle certain opening floors (the two examples I can think of are Hera Rush and Izanami) but in those cases I've always used black Metatron and it's never been a problem even though most of what she contributes to the team is wasted. And since I&I has only a single skillboost to Metatron's three they actually wouldn't reliably work in even that role.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 07, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
This was supposed to be a cakewalk: a no-rcv, mostly dark dungeon should be steamrolled blind by A.Kirin...... it turned into a to-the-last-skill battle that i wish i had recorded
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-12-07-09-36-33_zpsnj5rnotr.png)

I don't think i ever had so much ridiculous bad luck in a single run, and that is saying something..... i have to thank the OPness of A.Kirin and commandercool's willingness to skill her up a bit that i managed to 0-stone it.
One detail that still boggle my mind: i literally got zero skyfalls for the entire run. ZERO from start to finish in a no-rcv  :X

"Ok, lets go"...... 2 wood orbs on starter board, run already over if Helldark uses Flash Bind  :X
thanks God my only max-skilled LKali was up on first turn..... LKali's active OHKO

floor 2.... pre-emptive Hell Howl = no activable board. Try to clear as much as possible but i botch one match and i'm left with 2 jammers.
Death Bite = another no activable board. Clear again and eat poison match, leaving me with around 10k HP.
Death Bite = activable board! OHKO but i don't want to risk matching the poison, so from now on all my boards will have 2 jammers AND 3 poisons floating around

floor 3 and 4 everything decide to pop up on 1-turn, but here i have my one lucky strike and get activable boards both time.....

floor 5.... Demonic Stare = all subs bound for 4 turns and no activable board..... Game over?.... HERE COMES CCOOL TO THE RESCUE!  :] His Kirin is up just in time to clear 3 binds, one round to clear the last one AND get an activable board then OHKO

floor 6.... I will be your opponent = 3 more poison orbs and no activable board.... Game over?.... MY SECOND UN-SKILLED LKALI IS UP!  :D Eat shit Luci!

floor 7.... "Ok, finally a normal activable board without trash and i have Athena, Verche and my Kirin up".... then i take a closer look at the board: 2 light orbs, 1 dark orb.  :X
Paranoia kicks in : "It won't be enough, Blasphemy will fuck me up.....It won't be enough, Blasphemy will fuck me up....It won't be enough, Blasphemy will fuck me up...."
"Hello Espa, this is your rational mind. You remember that A.Kirin can clear 3 binds, right? Try to guess how many turns does Blasphemy binds...."
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.
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Mephistopheles survive with basically one pixel of life  ::) ---> Blasphemy ----> A.Kirin ----> "UP YOURS BASTARDS!"

Never again, RNG..... never again please....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 07, 2015, 01:33:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJbe9uwaoCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvfh5D89Z8M

Recorded doge farming videos with 2 team types.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 01:52:31 PM
So far this rare monster carnival has been a near-total bust for me. It's been giving me like 50% mythical beasts. Fuck mythical beasts, they are trash. I know one of each is grudgingly acceptable for Awoken Indian materials, but I don't want seven of each.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 07, 2015, 01:58:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJbe9uwaoCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvfh5D89Z8M

Recorded doge farming videos with 2 team types.

for some reason I thought you meant you were farming using Big Dog
but I guess this is acceptable, too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 07, 2015, 02:03:35 PM
for some reason I thought you meant you were farming using Big Dog
but I guess this is acceptable, too

I sadly do not own Big Doge
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 07, 2015, 02:10:21 PM
What makes Beyzul special is that his "enhance" stacks with other enhance effects. It's rare for actives like that to be sble to stack in PAD. Assuming I have dual super Gabriel leads, my attack looks like this:

With Beyzul I have 1.5 (friend Gabe)x4 (Beyzul)x2 (Sun Quan enhance) for a total of a 12x total multiplier.

With I&I I have 1.5 (my Gabriel)x 1.5 (friend Gabriel) x2 (I&I enhance) for a total of 4.5x.

So because Beyzul's multiplier is so much larger than other enhances in the game and stacks with other actives in a way that basically nothing else does, it's possible to get much larger numbers with him than it would be with I&I in the same slot.

This is a very interesting point, something i admit i never noticed before. I always took Beyzul and Co.'s actives at face value, a "sacrifice your leader's cool bonuses for a few turns to burst something down" deal.
But if you consider them like a passive, STACKABLE "enhance" they look quite better and more flexible in controlling how much damage you want to dish out.

I guess the sticking point with Beyzul is evaluating when to use him without putting your team at excessive risk in the next turns?
The fact that your team have very high HP/RCV even when using him probably gives you a bit of a safety net, right?

for some reason I thought you meant you were farming using Big Dog
but I guess this is acceptable, too

Same here  :V

So far this rare monster carnival has been a near-total bust for me. It's been giving me like 50% mythical beasts. Fuck mythical beasts, they are trash. I know one of each is grudgingly acceptable for Awoken Indian materials, but I don't want seven of each.

While i'm getting a lot of mythical beasts too, the real "star" for me has always been Fire Sprite, Parrot.... Seriously, my Yamato Takeru is at slvl 3 just with the Parrots i always get during rare monster carnivals.
And of course today's rolls were.... parrot + cerberus  ::)

Btw, does anyone here know exactly WHY Phoenix is currently the only one with any value, even if only as awoken material?

(inb4 Unicorn/Cerberus required for Indra/Vritra Awokens....)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 07, 2015, 02:30:53 PM
Btw, does anyone here know exactly WHY Phoenix is currently the only one with any value, even if only as awoken material?

Because Awoken Shiva is simply just that strong. There is no other reason.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 02:36:17 PM
This is a very interesting point, something i admit i never noticed before. I always took Beyzul and Co.'s actives at face value, a "sacrifice your leader's cool bonuses for a few turns to burst something down" deal.
But if you consider them like a passive, STACKABLE "enhance" they look quite better and more flexible in controlling how much damage you want to dish out.

I guess the sticking point with Beyzul is evaluating when to use him without putting your team at excessive risk in the next turns?
The fact that your team have very high HP/RCV even when using him probably gives you a bit of a safety net, right?

Precisely. It's fairly rare to be in a situation where swapping into Beyzul puts me at significant risk. One of the biggest sticking points for him has been, and still is, something like Threedia following or preceding a floor where I also have to burst. Anything that consistently attacks so as to break my 100% HP, is bulky enough that it's hard to burst in situations where I have to conserve actives or don't have all actives available, and insta-kills me after a certain time passes are sometimes hard to work around. Because as relatively low-risk as swapping into Beyzul is, his leader skill is still very fragile. So if it's a matter of a time limit and not just straight-up tanking he can be hard to work with sometimes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 07, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
There's still some value in Beyzul's multiplier "only" being "full HP, water only". While you could say that Hathor has a comparable ATK multiplier and considerable bulk of her own, her color requirement is -really- inhibiting.

When you get to Beyzul, nothing is stopping you from Gabriel>Reine>ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT

As a result, the damage ceiling is surprisingly high. Similar to how I could easily output millions of damage with One True Dog's 12.25x2 versus old Kirin's x25.

If I was running Sachi Bros X Awoken I&I, I would -gladly- use Beyzul to row it up when I burst instead of trying to work out the combos for Sachi Bros. If we could readily replace our friend leads, that would be cool, but Beyzul can't replace everyone. :c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 07, 2015, 02:51:51 PM
Yeah, when being conservative with my actives isn't an issue there's very little in the game outside of resolve (usually not an issue anyway for bulky teams) that survives a Beyzul burst. His damage puts most Awoken Ra bursts to shame, and it's only going to get better as the Gabriel and Reine buffs roll out. And, you know, Beyzul GETS AN ULTIMATE. Rows OP. Even now, in a world of gratuitous triple prongs and x100 rainbow leads, rows are hard to beat.

It's worth noting that large combo shields (6, or I guess more than that in the rare event that they go higher) can be rough on row teams. But there are few, if any enemies that open with big combo shields and can't be safely stalled on by one Gabriel, so it's more of an annoyance than anything. And having Snow White over Ruka should help with that since being able to pick between single and double orbchanges gives added flexibility.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 07, 2015, 05:44:34 PM
Heh, I always find it interesting reading your stuff, ccool, since I also main water rows but in a different fashion.  I sometimes wish I had some RCV boosting to work with as well as soem extra HP here and there sicne I'm still able to be instagibbed by a lot of things' normal moves on Mythical/Legend Plus if they happen to be fire or light.  Plussing will remedy this to a SIGNIFICANT degree, but even then I'll only be pulling like 27kish HP which is pretty rough to try and eat big hits with if I can't delay an enemy or just facetank them with resists.

Then again I'm also running on 12.25x or 1x, minus the effect of row enhances, so there's that as well.   

Also re: combo shields, sometimes I just have to deal with the fact that I can't row it up against some enemies reliably.  I try to use "cascades" (using the term loosely only because I'm usually not perceptive enough to get multiple layers of them going) to get past that but sometimes it's rather difficult even with that.  Part of it is probably just needing better board manipulation skill though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 07, 2015, 08:03:21 PM
Btw, for the water users here: if you need a leader to partner up with, i do have a few decent ones (although not plussed). Ask and i'll put them up  ;)

Here is what i have available (all max levelled and max awoken):

A.Karin (with +59 eggs)
Andromeda (max skilled)
Sarasvati
Reine (max skilled)

....and a Blodin max awoken but lv 47  :V And as soon as i can evolve Aegir i'll have a max awoken A.I&I too (still around lv 30)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Dr Rawr on December 07, 2015, 11:22:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3olx9HI.jpg)

some how no stoned paradise of the holy beasts. also with the extra dong for supergirl think replacing DQ would be a good idea?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on December 08, 2015, 01:24:42 AM
lol we esports now http://www.twitch.tv/esl_pad
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Janitor Morgan on December 08, 2015, 01:40:42 AM
Advancing directly to championships: Phantomace and Lest
Moving to wildcard tournament: Nick and Lukehouse
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 08, 2015, 02:34:36 AM
Got home too late to follow the stream..... got my own consolation prize:

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-12-08-02-22-25_zpsh4esogam.png)

First attempt ever. 0-stoned Zaerogoo!  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Suikama on December 08, 2015, 03:40:28 AM
I stalled over 50 turns just for this shit to happen

Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 03:59:51 AM
If anybody has any hypermax Ryune friends please send their IDs to me. Turns out those also don't seem to exist because why would they, she's the trashgarbage color that nobody plays. :colbert:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 08, 2015, 04:12:34 AM
I found...one.

User:  ebola
ID:  348,042,236

It's really a shame, since she's freaking GREAT, but alas.

To be fair, she DID just premier in NA recently, so that might be a pretty big factor since she's a 6* GFE and thus among the rarest to pull in the first place.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 08, 2015, 04:27:24 AM
If anybody has any hypermax Ryune friends please send their IDs to me. Turns out those also don't seem to exist because why would they, she's the trashgarbage color that nobody plays. :colbert:

Blue's not really a trashgarbage color as of late.

Blue's major problem of "most of the good shit is impossible to get" still remains though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 04:39:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ibVXgPH.png)

This motherfucker really tried my stalling skills. Partly it was just because I had to be weighed down by using I&I instead of a Gabriel like I would prefer, but he could two-shot me with any combination of moves so I had to heal every single turn for the entire fight. That of itself isn't that bad since I had two heartmakers, but I could have easily just slipped up and not healed one turn and died. But I didn't, so good.

I'm not sure what I think of him. I'm inclined to want to say "Of course he's way worse than Lifive, he's blue", but I'm not sure if he is or not. Lifive's two-turn haste seems great, but I'm not sure how to value locking your own orbs. And making ten orbs of types that you know you can use seems decent on a ten-turn timer. If I cared more I would consider making him for use on my Sumire team for 5x4s, but I don't think it will matter that much.

I found...one.

User:  ebola
ID:  348,042,236

It's really a shame, since she's freaking GREAT, but alas.

To be fair, she DID just premier in NA recently, so that might be a pretty big factor since she's a 6* GFE and thus among the rarest to pull in the first place.

Yeah, I found that guy too, but I read his message of "Only add Athena +297" as "I am only adding friends if they're hypermax Athenas". Maybe he meant "I will only add Athenas if they're hypermax" instead, so I guess I should try.

Is the whole series 6*, or did they just arbitrarily make the blue one the chase one again? So yeah, hopefully she'll get more common with time,

Blue's not really a trashgarbage color as of late.

Blue's major problem of "most of the good shit is impossible to get" still remains though.

It's by far the least played color, which makes getting anything done with a blue team way more difficult than it should be. I main blue, I go way out of my way to add people with blue leads, and blue is the least populated color on my friends list BY FAR. And yeah, that's because a lot of blue stuff is just way more rare for no reason, but that basically does make blue the shittiest color. It can be resisted unlike black and white, which already makes it worse than them, but it's also way harder to collect and to find friends for than anything else. Gungho has gone way out of their way to make sure blue is the worst color, regardless of the quality of any specific blue monsters. There's plenty of great stuff in blue, but it doesn't matter that much if nobody can use it because nobody has it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 08, 2015, 05:49:21 AM
Dragonbounds, which Ryune is a part of, consist of both 5* and 6* cards just like most/all GFE series.

Gadius and Saria are the 5* ones.

Typhon and Ryune are the 6*s because yes.

Water cards are ALMOST always among the 6*s in whatever series they are in for some reason.  Sumire(one of the JP Dragon Callers) is the only 5* water GFE I know of offhand.

EDIT:  Yeah, Sumire's the only 5* water GFE, so good freaking luck to anyone who wants any of the other ones.  Figures that I would like three of the 6* water GFEs now, with the fourth being someone I'd still totally be ok with(three I want being Skuld and BOdin and Ryune, with BSonia bringing up the rear on desire list among the quartet)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 08, 2015, 09:39:05 AM
XMAS REM stuff. No Chibis in this REM

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/674160571038621696 echidna
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/674160663061594112 siren
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/674161863135891456 alraune
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/674161987354386432 archangel
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/674162100176982016 lilith

XMAS Healer Girls will have Menace as their AS. Their awakenings are also the same except they have a row (!!!) of their color.

XMAS Echidna LS = Healer HP x2.5, ATK x1.5. After orbs elimination heal RCV x4
XMAS Siren LS = Healer HP/ATK/RCV x1.5. After orbs elimination heal RCV x4
XMAS Alraune LS = Healer HP x1.5, ATK x2.5. After orbs elimination heal RCV x4
XMAS Archangel LS = Healer HP/ATK x2. After orbs elimination heal RCV x4
XMAS Lilith LS = Healer ATK x3. After orbs elimination heal RCV x4
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Moogs Parfait on December 08, 2015, 11:20:02 AM
Rip me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Thaws on December 08, 2015, 11:31:19 AM
Oh my god 3 turn delay for GREEN finally.

Gone are the days where I have to put SQ or Echidna in Bastet team for lv10 Vishnu
Gone are the days where I have to use SQ to deal with Volsungr

I'm so rolling this till I get an xmas Alraune omg.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 08, 2015, 12:25:08 PM
Nov 19 00:34:41 <Chirei>   they double dip and release christmas tree protector alraune
Nov 19 00:34:50 <Thaws>   chirei pls
Nov 19 00:34:51 <Chirei>   I would fucking die forever if they just double down me like that

Dec 01 03:30:05 <Thaws>   Guys it's december who's hyped for christmas REM being back
Dec 01 03:30:56 <Chirei>   watch them do a christmas tree alraune and just double dip just to spite me
Dec 01 03:30:58 <Chirei>   i'm waiting
Dec 01 03:33:18 <Aoshi>   gungho pls

*Chirei WAKES THE FUCK UP AT 6AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVsapFBUkAE6_G_.png)

SUPER TILT

(http://s1.postimg.org/sfxskxt6n/20151208_063341.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Yukarin on December 08, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
OH MY FUCKING GOD

OH MY FUCKING GOD

THEY'RE SO DAMN ADORABLE OMFGH A;SLDKFJA;SDLKJFA'LSKDJF
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 08, 2015, 12:55:09 PM
>Predra infestation incoming

Oh nice, farmable MP!

>They're going to be skillup mats

Fuck.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 08, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
>Farmable MP
Yes!

>No chibi in the Christmas REM
Oh yes!!

>Christmas healer girls with Menace and good awak for every color
OH HELL YES!!

>Chirei post his reaction
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH  :]

Glad your prediction came true Chirei! A few more holidays and you will be able to field a full Alraune team without pre-evos! (EDIT: well, "glad" if you manage to get her without going broke  ;) )

There is only one thing that slightly bug me: some of them have worse stats than their farmable counterparts..... Better AS and Awak is one thing, but a Rem card should NEVER have worse stats than its farmable version (and hilariously easy to farm/skillup at that!)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 08, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
There is only one thing that slightly bug me: some of them have worse stats than their farmable counterparts..... Better AS and Awak is one thing, but a Rem card should NEVER have worse stats than its farmable version (and hilariously easy to farm/skillup at that!)

They're silvers and without UVOs...

They have slightly worse stats than their farmable counterparts....... When the farmable counterparts are already ulted
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 01:26:07 PM
I don't know what took PAD so long on the healer girl updates. I would have been thrilled to have that Siren like... Almost exactly a year ago. Least she pretty though.

MP farm dungeon is interesting, but what's this about the last floor having latent Tamas? What's the catch? Is their appearance or drop rate super low? Is there a 99% chance of getting an Autoheal one? Or did latents just become extremely common (making the not-un-huge number of stones I've spent so far farming them a total waste)?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 08, 2015, 01:42:37 PM
MP farm dungeon is interesting, but what's this about the last floor having latent Tamas? What's the catch? Is their appearance or drop rate super low? Is there a 99% chance of getting an Autoheal one? Or did latents just become extremely common (making the not-un-huge number of stones I've spent so far farming them a total waste)?

The boss floor is guaranteed to be a latent.

The catch? Probably it might not be the latent you want? Drop rate? IDK.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 08, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
I don't know what took PAD so long on the healer girl updates. I would have been thrilled to have that Siren like... Almost exactly a year ago. Least she pretty though.

MP farm dungeon is interesting, but what's this about the last floor having latent Tamas? What's the catch? Is their appearance or drop rate super low? Is there a 99% chance of getting an Autoheal one? Or did latents just become extremely common (making the not-un-huge number of stones I've spent so far farming them a total waste)?

Don't forget, you can now also get the never before farmable ~ T  E     L A T E N T ~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Espadas on December 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
They're silvers and without UVOs...

They have slightly worse stats than their farmable counterparts....... When the farmable counterparts are already ulted

Ok fair point, i tend to forget that the healer girls are actual uevos  :derp:

As for the catch on "guaranteed Latent": maybe it's that it would be like Trifruit on steroids? There are more than 3 types of Latents so the chance of getting the one you want.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 02:12:38 PM
There are ten types of latent Tamadra that, as far as I know, will be in this dungeon. The dungeon costs 99 stamina. So assuming a 100% droprate, which I'm not, that gives you a 10% chance on each run of getting the one you want. If you're spending stones to farm, that's going to cost a ton of stones.

Meanwhile latent invades allegedly have a 10% appearance rate (although my own numbers have been very consistent with 5%) but with a 100% chance of getting the one you want, and for half the stamina.

So if you want a ton of the same latent, it looks like doing it the old way might still be good, since it's not on a timer. But farming in the new dungeon meams you'll be gaining a ton of MP in the process, and possibly many more Tamas overall even if they're not the exact one you want. But again that relies on a 100% droprate that might not be there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 08, 2015, 02:15:26 PM
So if you want a ton of the same latent, it looks like doing it the old way might still be good, since it's not on a timer. But farming in the new dungeon meams you'll be gaining a ton of MP in the process, and possibly many more Tamas overall even if they're not the exact one you want. But again that relies on a 100% droprate that might not be there.

Here's the problem with you possibly earning a ton of MP:

The elemental Predras will become skillups. For one, I'll be keeping all Light Predras to skill up my Saria
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
That's not a problem, that's added value.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 08, 2015, 02:35:21 PM
I did not know about the 99 cost.

Hm. It may not even be worth it for the MP unless you can get a significant enough amount of profit from it per stone. Else you'll just be better off rolling godfest for the high gold rates and selling those.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 08, 2015, 02:42:45 PM
I did not know about the 99 cost.

There is a 50 cost version.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 08, 2015, 03:41:28 PM
This is sounding kind of like Rare Monster Infestation, haha.

Only for MP farming with a chance of latent instead of a rare skillup/awoken evo mats with a jewel at the end.

So basically I am guessing it will be "good freakin luck."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Tea Devil on December 08, 2015, 04:12:26 PM
Finally ult evo'd Sun Quan, so now my healer team is in my second slot. People might want him more than disco hera.

Gabriel is s l o w l y  leveling. Naturally, I got him after that long enhance carnival ended. I'll be able to evolve him as soon as he gets to max level, though, so that's not bad.

Christmas REM looks...nice? Echidna and Lilith would be top picks based on usefulness for me. They all look pretty good though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 08, 2015, 04:19:59 PM
I wonder if Santakuya amd Santa Genie will be seeing a reprisal as well?  I know they won't have a bunch of healer girls as their only pulls, haha.  Also wondering what else will be in there. Could this be why PADcademy stuff got added back in before? It did, didn't it?  Like before Halloween or something?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 04:29:11 PM
Finally ult evo'd Sun Quan, so now my healer team is in my second slot. People might want him more than disco hera.

Gabriel is s l o w l y  leveling. Naturally, I got him after that long enhance carnival ended. I'll be able to evolve him as soon as he gets to max level, though, so that's not bad.

Which Sun Quan uvo? There was a time that I was extremely interested in U/W Sun Quans.

And if you hypermax that Gabriel I will best friend you in a second. Hell, just skillmax him and I'll probably do that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Tea Devil on December 08, 2015, 04:52:40 PM
Which Sun Quan uvo? There was a time that I was extremely interested in U/W Sun Quans.

And if you hypermax that Gabriel I will best friend you in a second. Hell, just skillmax him and I'll probably do that

He is the water/light one because he seems to be the better leader. Also with all this farming I've been doing, I've actually somehow gotten a fair number of plus eggs, so Gabe's probably going to be at least +100 by the time he gets super ult.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
That Ryune guy did accept my request, so I'll have to try her out soon.

He is the water/light one because he seems to be the better leader. Also with all this farming I've been doing, I've actually somehow gotten a fair number of plus eggs, so Gabe's probably going to be at least +100 by the time he gets super ult.

Aaaw shit. Well, friend request me if you want. I don't see your name on the list, is it different than your current name?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on December 08, 2015, 05:31:08 PM
Blue's not really a trashgarbage color as of late.

Blue's major problem of "most of the good shit is impossible to get" still remains though.

blues always been one of the stronger colors of the tri-colors, it's just so ridiulously specialized usually

blue single cards are some of the strongest in the game imo, but as an overall it's less flexible than green or red at times




>Xmas Healers

why the hell did red get completely shat on when -everyone has menace this round-

it's not even alraune being the best by a mile, ecchi's base are flat lower than basically all of the others

might as well just splash alraune in shiva for that r/g slot

./muffled salt
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 08, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6Ozomwg.jpg)

Raoh is pretty legit.
Mine isn't max level, though.

Also, other Raohs don't seem to exist so I used a hypermax Rozuel (those exist?!??!?!)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 07:56:33 PM
God dammit, Ryune guy unfriended me already. Fucking seriously? I didn't even have a chance to use her once.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: The Greatest Dog on December 08, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
I didn't realize friend capacity was such a scarcity. Shit, man.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Edible on December 08, 2015, 08:19:21 PM
Some people are really precise about friend list pruning.

Others don't even bother except a few times a year to see if you haven't logged in in a month, even if we no longer have any leads in common :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Jq1790 on December 08, 2015, 09:07:02 PM
Others don't even bother except a few times a year to see if you haven't logged in in a month, even if we no longer have any leads in common :V
/me goes shifty-eyed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 08, 2015, 09:12:36 PM
My list (of 80) is always near-capacity, and I only unfriend people if I need the space. I try to go with people who haven't logged in recently first, then people who are very low-rank and I know have been for a long time, then people I have no leads in common with. But it's so hard to track who uses what, especially with people changing their names, that I prefer not to delete people even if I don't think I use them. You can never really be sure. Without like a spreadsheet, anyway. I wish the game made tracking that shit easier.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on December 09, 2015, 12:53:02 AM
Some people are really precise about friend list pruning.

Others don't even bother except a few times a year to see if you haven't logged in in a month, even if we no longer have any leads in common :V
If someone hasn't logged on in 30 days I remove them. Of course, that's if that person was a passerby I friended.

Without like a spreadsheet, anyway. I wish the game made tracking that shit easier.
PADListener has a friend leader tracker. If you sync often, it gives a nice list of what your friends run.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 09, 2015, 02:30:11 AM
blues always been one of the stronger colors of the tri-colors, it's just so ridiulously specialized usually

blue single cards are some of the strongest in the game imo, but as an overall it's less flexible than green or red at times

I can agree with that, comparing the cards in a vacuum. I cobbled up a janky Physical Ult Blonia team and I was pleasantly surprised by the results

Also, other Raohs don't seem to exist so I used a hypermax Rozuel (those exist?!??!?!)

Raoh is a very powerful lead IMO. He pairs up with Awoken Freyr nicely too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Mеа on December 09, 2015, 02:32:08 AM
I wish the game could let you know who used you as a helper leader so I know who to siphon out of my friends list. There's a lot of random friends I regularly rotate out to bring in new ones who might use me more.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 09, 2015, 02:37:04 AM
I wish the game could let you know who used you as a helper leader so I know who to siphon out of my friends list. There's a lot of random friends I regularly rotate out to bring in new ones who might use me more.

the friend system interface is pretty shitty actually, it could stand to be improved a lot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Tea Devil on December 09, 2015, 03:28:08 AM
That Ryune guy did accept my request, so I'll have to try her out soon.

Aaaw shit. Well, friend request me if you want. I don't see your name on the list, is it different than your current name?

It's different in that it's just Tea. Actually, could I be added to the OP?

ID - 388,361,301
leaders - Kanna, W/L Sun Quan


And in other news

(http://imgur.com/CLBLYd8.png)

Soon (?)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 09, 2015, 04:19:28 AM
PADListener has a friend leader tracker. If you sync often, it gives a nice list of what your friends run.

I'd say "I'll look into it" because that sounds useful, but I probably won't remember to do that.

It's different in that it's just Tea. Actually, could I be added to the OP?

ID - 388,361,301
leaders - Kanna, W/L Sun Quan


And in other news

(http://imgur.com/CLBLYd8.png)

Soon (?)

Request sent.

And now that Mystic Dragons are normal dungeons it'll be much easier to skill up Gabriel than it used to be.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 09, 2015, 04:57:46 AM
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/674267353840922624

"Wouldn't it be interesting to introduce a version of the most popular monster which had the most popular AS?"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 09, 2015, 05:47:24 AM
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/674267353840922624

"Wouldn't it be interesting to introduce a version of the most popular monster which had the most popular AS?"

Do we know what those are yet? My best guess is Sakuya and Five-Colored Alchemy, which sounds... Like not that big of a change ultimately?

I'm assuming optimal Awoken Sakuya teams already run two Kalis, and I don't advocate more than three of them, so you would probably end up dropping one Kali for Awoken Amaterasu to make up for the missing bind clears, which gains you one Five-Colored Alchemy overall but loses you a prong and two gravities. I suppose Kali active is more stackable than Sakuya active, so overall it would probably be a slight improvement. Maybe. I don't play Sakuya and I don't know exactly what her optimal team looks like, so maybe I'm way off. And of course this is like a hypothetical of a hypothetical anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 09, 2015, 05:51:56 AM
Do we know what those are yet? My best guess is Sakuya and Five-Colored Alchemy, which sounds... Like not that big of a change ultimately?

Ra Dragon + Orb Transformation seems to be the general consensus in JP twitter
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: commandercool on December 09, 2015, 06:20:29 AM
Ra Dragon + Orb Transformation seems to be the general consensus in JP twitter

I'd be kind of surprised if "most powerful" ended up directly correlating to "most popular". I figure Sakuya's been around longer so she's built up a fanbase.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 09, 2015, 06:38:38 AM
I'd be kind of surprised if "most powerful" ended up directly correlating to "most popular". I figure Sakuya's been around longer so she's built up a fanbase.

In this case, it's less "most popular" and more "what is the most broken thing players want"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Yukarin on December 09, 2015, 08:25:37 AM
CHRISTMAS DKALI

CHRISTMAS DKALIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on December 09, 2015, 08:33:04 AM
liu bei

GET OUT OF MY COLOR
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: trancehime on December 09, 2015, 08:40:05 AM
Alright, I'll be satisfied if I can get XMAS Ronia.

Why? I just want all the Sonias. But I already missed Halloween Blonia...

https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/674512657437691904 UVO Santa Sakuya =)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: OverlordChirei on December 09, 2015, 09:54:08 AM
liu bei

GET OUT OF MY COLOR

He wants to aid in the battle to make kagu undesirable
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 09, 2015, 10:08:23 AM
Okay FINE I'll pull some Xmas :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: Chaore on December 09, 2015, 10:10:09 AM
He wants to aid in the battle to make kagu undesirable

i'm not sure if i'd revive kagu just to get rid of him

i'm just so not looking forward to hearing people wank him more
Title: Re: Puzzle and Final Fantasy Thread XXV: Throw your Gil at the SOMETHING ELSE
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on December 09, 2015, 10:52:44 AM
lok

Someone make Christmas pad thread