Two minutes of experimentation suggest that SanaeB only fires half as many frogs while focused.
I was being quite serious, as well as with the struck-out part. In exchange for the most distracting shot type in the game and somewhat mediocre damage you get the easiest time with the bright blue orb's zombie fairies, nice spread for taking out enemies that form lines or overlap, and a bomb that's okay for damage but great for scoring.Two minutes of experimentation suggest that SanaeB only fires half as many frogs while focused.... you're not serious, are you?
Because oh god maybe I need to switch from SanaeB if this is true.
I'll be interested to see who wins out in the end for score runs, SanaeB or MarisaA. SanaeB is better in pretty much every way, but MarisaA's graze hitbox is substantially larger, and piercing's pretty awesome.I think it would come down to bombing for Graze farming, which only SanaeB can do. I think it would be easier than trying to find safespots in Syou's nonspells.
Wait, Sanae-B's nuke bomb is "ok" for damage? I thought it was crazy powerful.That depends on how close you are to the boss when you set the bomb.
So general consensus is that the best character is Sanae-B or Marisa A?Basically.
MarisaB is so, so bad. But it's great that there's a decent balance between characters, and between spread types and power types.She's not terrible like some of SA's shot types. It's maybe slightly more damage than MarisA puts out, but over a wider spread.
She's not terrible like some of SA's shot types. It's maybe slightly more damage than MarisA puts out, but over a wider spread.
Ok so SanaeB is stronger in unfocussed mode and requires shotgunning for massive damage in both modes. GREAT. Screw you 2nd hand Miko.
I tried all characters + shottypes and I horribly hate ReimuB she is seriously weak. Weaker than in IN solo.Nnnnnnnno, ReimuB does not time out attacks for fun. She's better than I thought she would be, especially for boss attacks where it's difficult to stay directly underneath them (surprisingly many).
how MarisaB warrants use over the more easily usable homing shot types.Shotgun power. Key word here is power.
Also @Hawk: Did you get my PM?
EDIT: Shotgun MarisaB only about as good as MarisaA, if not a little bit worse.
I will say that ReimuB suffers the most when she loses power, the same way she did in MoF. If you lose too much power in the middle of a boss you're going to be slitting your wrists because things will start becoming survival cards.This is correct. ReimuB at low power is actually really horrible.
ReimuB at low power is actually really horrible.
To a degree that's still true.ReimuB at low power is actually really horrible.back in the Demo, Nazrin's last card was actually dangerous with Reimu B, the red bubbles were rapid fire by the time you cleared it, and the blue bullets had really small gaps.
back in the Demo, Nazrin's last card was actually dangerous with Reimu B, the red bubbles were rapid fire by the time you cleared it, and the blue bullets had really small gaps.So very true. http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4389
I use SanaeA and MarisaA and the only thing I hate about Marisa is LOL SLOW AS SHIT SPARK :V
the only thing I hate about Marisa is LOL SLOW AS SHIT SPARK :V
Yeah sometimes I blow a bomb on regular stage enemies so I can safely grab that UFO that's been taunting me for a minute straight. only to realize that I still can't grab it cuz master spark appears to turn Mariassa's flight speed into molasses as a side effect.Actually, I've noticed that I feel a little faster while using SanaeB's bomb... May it be that NukeFrog is the next Private Square?
Or the lack of worrying about shots.Yeah sometimes I blow a bomb on regular stage enemies so I can safely grab that UFO that's been taunting me for a minute straight. only to realize that I still can't grab it cuz master spark appears to turn Mariassa's flight speed into molasses as a side effect.Actually, I've noticed that I feel a little faster while using SanaeB's bomb... May it be that NukeFrog is the next Private Square?
Bleh.Or the lack of worrying about shots.Yeah sometimes I blow a bomb on regular stage enemies so I can safely grab that UFO that's been taunting me for a minute straight. only to realize that I still can't grab it cuz master spark appears to turn Mariassa's flight speed into molasses as a side effect.Actually, I've noticed that I feel a little faster while using SanaeB's bomb... May it be that NukeFrog is the next Private Square?
Nue's UFO cards are pretty easy no matter what character you use tbh. The first two especially can usually have their patterns wrecked by simply blowing up one UFO at the right moments, so the low-damage characters can still beat them easily if you know what you're doing.
Also, as far as characters' bombs go, I'd actually say that SanaeA/B and ReimuB have the best bombs while Marisa/Reimu A have two of the worst. They slow you down to glacial speeds, and their extra damage is quite pointless thanks to the lack of spellcard armor in this game. I use SanaeA, who supposedly has a weak bomb, yet I can easily one-shot most of the attacks in the game, usually even at 1.00 power.
Nue's UFO cards are pretty easy no matter what character you use tbh. The first two especially can usually have their patterns wrecked by simply blowing up one UFO at the right moments, so the low-damage characters can still beat them easily if you know what you're doing.
Is it just me or do we get worse and worse Marisas?
And Marisa A.....that laser is simply blinding.
Of course, that's just referring to score. If you want survivability, what's your metric? MarisaA and MarisaC in MoF have the great survival options open to them. MarisaA in SA offers the most freebies in the form of bombs, and MarisaB is just amazing.MoF MarisA sucks. The splash is useless in that game, the spread isn't all that good, and ReimuB outclasses it completely in terms of attack power. MarisaC however is nice(my main shot type in MoF)
Is it just me or do we get worse and worse Marisas?
And Marisa A.....that laser is simply blinding.
MoF MarisA sucks. The splash is useless in that game, the spread isn't all that good, and ReimuB outclasses it completely in terms of attack power. MarisaC however is nice(my main shot type in MoF)
SA Marisa sucks. MarisA may have 8 bombs max, but they suck, you're not going to be getting power back if you use too many, and her attack power isn't all that great either. MarisaB is too weak far away for the average person who's just looking to 1cc, shotgunning requires planning, and her spread isn't even useful in certain stages. MarisaC is a joke compared to ReimuA. And then there's the larger hitbox Marisa has.
Her attack power is among the highest in the game. Unfocused and focused.Too bad Reimu A's overall power is the best period.
From a perspective of someone who's looking for a simple 1cc, MarisaB is bad. You could put in effort to use her correctly, but it's not worth it because there are much easier shot types you could use and get the same result. It's a jack of all trades, but master of none(minus shotgunning). I'm not saying it's Magic Team level of suck, but the flaws outweigh it's advantages, imo.
Hell, ask Donut about how he tried to 1cc Normal with MarisaB for a while(this is someone who 1cc'd all the other Lunatics at the time), and then in his first time using ReimuA, he 1cc'd it.
Worst shot type in SA is ReimuB anyways. It's a homing type that doesn't do homing well.If held at gunpoint, I'm not sure if I would use Suika or Nitori. I think Suika edges the other out by just a small amount.
Oh, and back on topic(UFO shot type topic):Yes.
Worst UFO shot type is MarisaB. Discuss.
Oh, and back on topic(UFO shot type topic):
Worst UFO shot type is MarisaB. Discuss.
If held at gunpoint, I'm not sure if I would use Suika or Nitori. I think Suika edges the other out by just a small amount.I'd choose Suika just so I wouldn't have to listen to that noise from missiles hitting an enemy. I can stand the UFO MarisaA laser sound, but those missiles are just distracting.
I'd choose Suika just so I wouldn't have to listen to that noise from missiles hitting an enemy. I can stand the UFO MarisaA laser sound, but those missiles are just distracting.
Except MarisA's spread damage is terrible.MoF MarisA sucks. The splash is useless in that game, the spread isn't all that good, and ReimuB outclasses it completely in terms of attack power. MarisaC however is nice(my main shot type in MoF)Reimu Needles will pretty much always outclass anything in terms of attack power. That's her point. MarisaA in MoF offers a nice mix between power (which is most certainly not bad, even if it isn't ReimuB's), and spread.
If held at gunpoint, I'm not sure if I would use Suika or Nitori. I think Suika edges the other out by just a small amount.I think Nitori wins in damage and has an arguably better bomb.
I agree that Fire and Water (possibly only Water) are all you need with MarisaB. Anything more is usually showing off or trying to exploit 3.00 Wind + Bomb.
Because dodging becomes much easier when rapidly pounding Shift+Z? Especially with Earth Shot's limited range.
Because dodging becomes much easier when rapidly pounding Shift+Z? Especially with Earth Shot's limited range.
Also, repeatedly pressing Shift+Z has a low chance of causing SA to crash IIRC... Or maybe that was the demo.
I agree that Fire and Water (possibly only Water) are all you need with MarisaB. Anything more is usually showing off or trying to exploit 3.00 Wind + Bomb.
I'm almost regretting reading this topic, because I never noticed the super glowy MarisaB options and high pitched sound until now. Doh.The high-pitched screech makes me want to take a hammer to my face. First thing I noticed when I picked that shot type, though I haven't had any problems with the options through stage 5.
In terms of bomb strength, i've never encountered a spellcard that SanaeB's nuke didn't kill, even at long range. Except for when it's used at the very beginning of a spellcard at least.
Who's got a good enough bomb to do a 1lc with, other than SanaeB? I've almost got it down with her and it's totally doable.
On that note, UFO lets you stock more than 8 bombs.
Actually, I realized something about MarisaB's bomb lately.I knew this at one point, but I completely forgot.
Her bomb will not kill a full-health UFO.
That's fucking awesome.
mAf, mAu, mBf, mBf, rAf, rAu, etc..
All at power 4.0.
All always invulnerable (and thus doing terrible damage for the last two cards).
Every shot for the entire spellcard hits, except for rAu where this is not possible. This is even possible for mBu's back options, but it requires your entire sprite being inside the hitbox.
sB's damage is hard to pin down. I only captured 1/2 focused and 0/2 focused, but they were really close. Unfocused could probably capture it since the difference is ~2 seconds. If everything is hitting, damage is slightly better focused.
SA where MarisaA wins Easy and MarisaB wins Normal and Hard.Arguably Marisa-B "wins" every mode (except probably Extra) because the difference between theoretical maximum for her and the best respective character is pretty negligible. d.f would have gotten ~4.2 billion in his Lunatic run if he hadn't needlessly died twice, and practical maximum for Reimu-A is only ~4.3 billion.
MarisaC in MoF have the great survival options open to themUsing Marisa-C for survival requires more understanding of the game than is feasible for the purpose. If you don't deploy the options at the right place and in time, you're looking at being stuck with her long-range weapons which don't deal any damage to speak of until the end of attack/enemy wave.
Actually, I realized something about MarisaB's bomb lately.Marisa-B is more effective than Reimu-B and is about on par with Sanae-A and Reimu-A in regards to scoring. She has a larger graze hitbox and less trouble clearing the screen of popcorn enemies, her bomb is short and deals less damage which allows for more potential graze farming, and the fact that it doesn't kill a full-health UFO is just an icing on the cake. Funny as it is, she's not a bottom-tier scoring character (though of course it won't be possible to reach the effectiveness of M-A and S-B).
Her bomb will not kill a full-health UFO.
That's fucking awesome.
shottype damage picturz
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I don't know, but aren't the rate of frogs coming from Sanae's flank higher when unfocused?No. The speed of the frogs are different, which makes the distance between each frog fired larger.
On Marisa though, I still want to say both options are bad A&B.When used properly, Master Spark can (yes, you heard me) be used to score (via graze or other) / chain UFOs. ReimuA's bomb doesn't cover a wide range. This doesn't allow you to do things such as receive the "Hidden" UFO in Stage 2.
Even if A has penetration, master spark's speed penalty makes it such a pain (same speed as ufos) to utilize any ufo heavy spots. Even Reimu A moves faster during her bomb.