Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, playername.
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Wonder if Serela-kun is afraid of RVS.Shhhhh I was busy "oooooh"ing and "aaaaah"ing at the japanese HM tournament replays
Really?Really what?
BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?The need to clarify things even when they're obvious.
ftr I doubt PX will want to post anyway because :effort:i can sub in for him :>
i can sub in for him :>dan can i expand my hydra to as many heads as possible in one slot and all posting in the thread
shadoweh could you elaborate more on how serela's post sounds like something you would do as town im very interestedI believe it's more about how my other half thinks Serela was trying too hard to pretend to be the airheaded townie that he is when he's actually town.
I won't stop it. HW just has to confirmgot my role, reading the thread now
Also, anyone abusing hydra dissonance will be lynched to the ground.This seems like an easy way to drive lynches on policy rather than scum intent. By declaring your intention to do this at the start of the game it looks natural if you push a mislynch because of it in the future too. Don't like this.
##unvoteWhy is Serela's post showing more scum intent than Validon? Validon's meta doesn't invalidate what he did being scummy and even if he's town voting him gives him more incentive to step it up. Meanwhile Serela's post is more lazy; there's no real intent there, it's just what somebody would say if they were bored of waiting for the game to get started. Voting him is essentially a park.
##vote: serela (L-1! for real this time)
how's this for something happening? lazy bum.
validon, why did you think shadoweh getting put at l-1 so early scream mislynch to you? why can't scum be put at l-1 early in the game (like huhwhat in disgaea mafia)?
ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience
Also, anyone abusing hydra dissonance will be lynched to the ground.##Unvote
serela do you think there is anything interesting that's happened in the thread so far? maybe you could talk about that instead of talking about how nothing is going onnot really, there's only a few posts that are scraping out of RVS stage and maybe a third of them are from the same playerslot (Dorm/Shad, whom I'm sure will continue to be sources of giggles for me as time progresses)
ill be y'alls bard for this game tyvy
Oh wait fuck, somebody queried me something that heavily implies information about their alignment. Will need to sub out until they die.Role, not alignment, but yeah.
Serela obviously wasn't intending to myslynch during RVS, and Validon's reaction seems a little suspicious as trying to rationalize her vote as exactly that.What do you think about the theory that Serela was aiming for that line of thinking.
eh but he's not really doing that now is he?He was and still is being pretty much a non-contributor though.
What do you think about the theory that Serela was aiming for that line of thinking.RVS, and I think he was going to get away with not contributing for awhile, considering he claimed he would be gone for 8 hours for a legitimate reason. At worst Serela's vote could have been a reaction test for Shadoweh. Her post showed no real intent to lynch.
Something silly so that he can get away with not contributing for a while?
Yoshino's vote on Serela looks like an easy hop since it lacks reasoning, if it was serious.
Uhm actually I know it's kind of early for this but Serela's post did sound like a fakey obligatory doin that thing that I would totes do as town and then going home, so I'm cool with Dormio's vote. I suggest Serela get home from work and screamCoupled with Serela's next posts being a complaint about nothing happening (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009376.html#msg1009376), continued chatter about there being nothing to talk about yet (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009433.html#msg1009433), and something that I'm not really sure what to call. A chainsaw defense of sorts maybe? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009446.html#msg1009446)for revenge
Serela obviously wasn't intending to myslynch during RVS, and Validon's reaction seems a little suspicious as trying to rationalize her vote as exactly that.
##Vote: Validon
I'm mostly planning to say quiet and chirp in when Dormio is frustrated, he seems to have this game UNDER WRAPS.You're supposed to be my other half, not some decoration that I keep around.
I wob't give Validon a meta clear until he's posted at least seven times and told me how weird I am.
dormio it's not a chainsaw defense unless validon is scumI don't know what to call it. White knighting then? I don't really care.
do you think validon is scum?
also at this point serela has put out more content than half the game tbh, even if he's full of fluffThe fact that it's fluff, pretending to look active, etc.
wait wait whatI'm reading Validon's post as Serela is trying to encourage a mislynch with the vote and lynching during RVS screams mislynch. Am I reading it wrong or something?
actually fuckit, nnr is just trying to misrep validon given that's not how validon rationalized the serela vote at all. like how could you get that from reading his post?
##unvote
##vote nnr
dismissing shadormio's vote on serela as an easy hop without reasoning is also bad, because even if they didn't give reasoning (they did) what are they going to do, keep voting themselves?
Shadoweh, you suck.I don't see a reasoning until later, unless you mean Shadoweh's reasoning, which I wouldn't have noticed because :hydra:
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
Really?
Revenge for Serela putting us at L-1 while I wait for Shadoweh to actually say something.:derp:
I'm reading Validon's post as Serela is trying to encourage a mislynch with the vote and lynching during RVS screams mislynch. Am I reading it wrong or something?okay
##Vote: Serelawalk me through how you got that given that this is the post in question
Because why not and because even though I wanted to joke vote Shadoweh, people put her at L-1 and lynching during RVS screams mislynch.
:derp:So it's just a jokevote then?
people [Serela] put her at L-1 and lynching during RVS screams mislynch.
So it's just a jokevote then?Notice how I said that I was waiting for Shadoweh to post.
Hey, Val, was the explanation behind not lynching someone during RVS necessary? I don't think it was.
QuoteQuote from: Mitsuki on Today at 05:24:12 pmThe need to clarify things even when they're obvious.
BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?
actually hmmmBut he's voting for Serela, so I take it as implying Serela's vote is the main problem, and is also encouraging an RVS mislynch.
nvm i see how you could read it that way; depends on how you arrange the clauses although i still kinda want you to explain how you got to your conclusion
--cut yeah that's what i figured but he doesn't actually say that does he? i read people as "the group of people voting for shadoweh"
Notice how I said that I was waiting for Shadoweh to post.Those posts were all on the next page, which made it harder to connect *shrug*
Notice how in Shadoweh's next post she provides the reasoning.
I think these two facts are related somehow.
bt, why did you see validon's vote as a clarification of "something obvious" rather than part of his reasoning for avoiding the wagon or for voting for serela? it's a weird part of his statement to latch on to.Because that part is completely useless if he just wants to randvote Serela. "Oh man I didn't want to lynch someone during RVS because it's RVS and it's the same as randvoting [i'm asuming this is what he meant with bringing up "mislynch"] everyone must know." The impulse to give the town as much input as possible without considering if that input is needed is a scum impulse as it'd be a shame to throw away a very very valuable RVS thought process (not really).
ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience>implying not wanting to lynch someone during RVS is white knighting
for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation>implying there was an objective behind this "twisting of the situation" outside of, oh, not lynching someone during RVS
##Vote: BTDid he open last game this way? "That kind of thing" is conveniently vague.
Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.
Because that part is completely useless if he just wants to randvote Serela. "Oh man I didn't want to lynch someone during RVS because it's RVS and it's the same as randvoting [i'm asuming this is what he meant with bringing up "mislynch"] everyone must know." The impulse to give the town as much input as possible without considering if that input is needed is a scum impulse as it'd be a shame to throw away a very very valuable RVS thought process (not really).
>implying not wanting to lynch someone during RVS is white knightingduring RVS
>implying there was an objective behind this "twisting of the situation" outside of, oh, not lynching someone
ALSO Conq it's interesting that you go from "but validon is prone to overstatement from past experience" to voting him anyway. If you thought he was worth poking at this stage regardless I don't see the point of that statement.when i made that statement i wanted to vote serela and the situation was completely different from when i made my validon vote later? serela had posted some stuff and i decided that overstatement would translate to both alignments; i wanted him to explain further what he meant by his statement.
when i made that statement i wanted to vote serela and the situation was completely different from when i made my validon vote later? serela had posted some stuff and i decided that overstatement would translate to both alignments; i wanted him to explain further what he meant by his statement.I argue that the situation couldn't have changed much, though I can't refute any of this so whatever. At least it wasn't in no way "completely different". <_<
also, i cant tell if you're defending or attacking validon in your replies to me; what gives? don't like the way you're twisting my statements on validon. what are you trying to ask me again?What am I twisting and how? As for what I was asking, I guess I just wanted an elaboration on why you thought to vote Validon off of that.
Eh, we probably could have saved a lot of time here if we had just waited for Validon to explain what he actually meant by his statement, but posters gotta post.I prefer talk. Plus I gave up on waiting for him just now.
##FoS on Mitsuki for giving Validon a meta clear as well.
Actually I was holding off because I wanted Val's reply yet (didn't want to be TOO direct) but derp we're already at a voting stage.
##Vote Valtzotsuki
I think this avenue interests me the most actually. Even if I only gave a full proper explanation recently, the wide clear of any early Val presses + vote for said press leaves a pretty bad taste.
##Vote: BT
Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.
Did he open last game this way? "That kind of thing" is conveniently vague.
##unvote
##vote validon
for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless. Would really like Validon to post though so he can be super obvious town. Then we can lynch nnr and not conq at all.Mainly your NNR vote.
actually hmmm
nvm i see how you could read it that way; depends on how you arrange the clauses although i still kinda want you to explain how you got to your conclusion
--cut yeah that's what i figured but he doesn't actually say that does he? i read people as "the group of people voting for shadoweh"
##unvote
##vote validon
for now; would like a response from him to my earlier question, especially now that i remember that one of the people bringing shadoweh up to l-1 was shadoweh herself so validon's comment seems like a twisting of the situation
This reasoning is clearly not the same as what we see above, and in general this overall view of Validon from his PoV doesn't tie in well with the way his posts on Validon have progressed in the course of the game so far.
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Conq's logic generally flows very well and you can see what's going on in his head at the time, but the way he's proceeded around the Validon case this time is just ??? in many ways. He says he rethinked his use of Validon meta which lead him to vote Validon for the white knighting but we never see that mentioned anywhere in the thread until BT points out his inconsistencies, which makes it an a posteriori fix to appease BT that I'm not buying (his whole reasoning on Validon seems to have changed along the way of the slapfight)
In #36 he asks why Shadoweh must be a mislynch since scum can get to L-1 in ED1 too, waves off his suspicion with meta, then proceeds to vote for him in #57 like it's the most logical thing to do with no justification or reasoning whatsoever despite his earlier use of meta (this doesn't read like town!Conq). After an issue with NNR he proceeds to revote Validon again in #79 calling for an answer to a question that can't possibly give a satisfying answer while mentioning that Validon intended to twist the situation because the Shadoweh lynch wasn't happening due to herself being a voter in the wagon.
This reads like Conq is trying to revote Validon again but he can't do it without saying something after voting him on empty reasoning once before, so he makes up whatever making him sound scummy. The way he worded Validon "twisting the situation" blowing things out of proportion is what reads scummiest and what set off my alarms.Cool, how am I making stuff up? Looks like you're ignoring everything I said just to brush it off as "making something up."
Additionally, how he dropped his NNR vote is very scummy from my point of view. There was this argument going on about a misunderstanding between NNR and people suspecting him. After a few posts Conqueror understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post, but he didn't drop his reasoning:I don't see how you can say that I "understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post" and yet I didn't drop my reasoning. I mean, the latter pretty much follows from the former. But I'll play along.
Here Conqueror says he understands NNR's logic, but gives the fact that NNR wasn't the one to explicitly state it as a valid point to keep suspecting him. Why? You're supposed to understand the reasoning, and you don't say you find it suspicious. Even if you cover it with words your suspicions are just based on the fact that he was misunderstood. However, how is being misunderstood scummy? It doesn't seem like you're saying that explanation was made up later, which clearly looks like something very unlikely.Did I ever say or indicated that I suspected NNR because he didn't explicitly state the reasoning that I thought he might have been following? No. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I dropped NNR from that unvote and think he's leaning town. This entire vote on me is based on something that didn't happen.
I think that's quite an unnatural train of thought and something very convenient for scum to do. It lets you give up the vote for a better wagon but you can always go back to voting NNR if people vote him again (and I think he's an easy target).
Well, NNR doesn't seem to be a scum to me, so i don't want to jump on NNR wagon. As for the rest, i'm kind of undecided. Will wait with my vote for a bit more.That's fine. There's no need to be timid with your vote and opinions though. The biggest weapon of a townie is the control of the lynch, and if a townie's vote isn't in play that's more power to the scum.
I also agree with BT wrt to Conq changing his Validon opinion but the aforementioned RVS vote staying on Validon for so long until prodded is kind of sketchy, especially when he implies he isn't gonna change it at first but then switches a few minutes later.Who RVS parked their vote on Validon? I can't find what you're talking about so I kinda wonder if you're actually reading the thread.
Don't like CF's posts much. They pretty much say that Serela is town for posting random stuff (erm, how?) and attacks Dormio/Shadoweh for voting NNR and saying that their vote is baseless without describing how, and that's the only thing out of the whole game they seem to have picked out as scummy by this point. Then they end it with a signiture "hey inactive people you should weigh in on things".I said that Serela seems to be a townie.
##UnvoteFor me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.
##Vote: NekonekorexFor probably being the guy who messaged huh what you dolt
FoS is so weak. Also you're deriding my own reasoning and that's not cool.
and that's the only thing out of the whole game they seem to have picked out as scummy by this point.Also aside from Conq-BT and Conq-Vhaltz/Mitsuki squabble people don't post much. For example you just came. Serela posted bunch of random crap, can't pick much from that. Validon was absent from the thread for quite some time too. I picked the only scummy thing that looked like a scummy thing.
Why can't Validon give a satisfying answer to my question? That just sounds like completely bull and an effort to discredit what I'm asking him. Validon twisting the situation is an accurate statement given he used the word mislynch to describe a frigging RVS wagon with a self-voter on it. So yes, I want to hear from Validon himself why he decided to talk about it in that way.
and revote n?2 mentioned other unrelated things and still didn't clarify why the readswitch.
Before I respond to the rest of Mitsuki's post, I want to point out the time stamps between my posts which Vhaltz is conveniently ignoring. The initial vote on Serela, switch to Vhaltz, brief segue on NNR and switch back to Validon ALL HAPPENED WITHIN AN HOUR. I didn't jump from vote to vote last game because I was only here for a few hours out of the day, but when I was here I was pretty liberal in switching my vote as well (see the BBM/Serela/Shadoweh votemess). Vhaltz and Mitsuki were there when this was happening so they have no excuse for not knowing this and actually pushing my voteswitching as a reason I'm scummy.
So Mitsuki, how am I not interested in moving the game along? How is "messing up too much" scummy in any way?
I don't see how you can say that I "understood how NNR interpreted Validon's post" and yet I didn't drop my reasoning. I mean, the latter pretty much follows from the former. But I'll play along.Did I ever say or indicated that I suspected NNR because he didn't explicitly state the reasoning that I thought he might have been following? No. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I dropped NNR from that unvote and think he's leaning town. This entire vote on me is based on something that didn't happen.
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless.
Ok, I'll quote my original post. Tell me where the "clear" is:"I am voting a player for voting another player for a meta-related reason that I don't think is scummy" sure sounds like "clear" to me. It kind of implies you don't think the person you're soft-defending is scum.
"Validon usually does that kind of thing". I didn't say "as town". I never implied it either. You're just misunderstanding me (?_u)
What I meant is that if Validon usually does x thing we can't say whether it's coming from one alignment or the other. I said "Validon should still be neutral", not "lol he's town". I didn't even try to say something about Validon's alignment.
First of all, were you the one to talk to HW about your role? wwwwwwwwwwwWhat? No.
<@Prims> wait is NNR playingThis is the full extent of mentions I have made to this game outside the thread. I was guessing Serela was the one spilling beans.
.:Conq:. yeah he is
.:@Prims:. if so we can't talk openly in here i imagine
.:Conq:. yeah
.:NekoRex:. playing what now
.:NekoRex:. I've been on and off allday
.:NekoRex:. oh hey the game finally began
.:Conq:. :V
"I am voting a player for voting another player for a meta-related reason that I don't think is scummy" sure sounds like "clear" to me. It kind of implies you don't think the person you're soft-defending is scum.
What? No.This is the full extent of mentions I have made to this game outside the thread. I was guessing Serela was the one spilling beans.
Not thinking he's scum doesn't mean I think he's town either. (=w=;True, but it's still soft-defending him for a meta reason. The distinction that he's either town or not scum is a highly moot point. It would be the same as me saying that Serela isn't scum for all her fluff posts and lack of content because she always screws up her ED1 game (which might be true but is definitely an awful reason to avoid being suspicious).
True, but it's still soft-defending him for a meta reason. The distinction that he's either town or not scum is a highly moot point. It would be the same as me saying that Serela isn't scum for all her fluff posts and lack of content because she always screws up her ED1 game (which might be true but is definitely an awful reason to avoid being suspicious).
I'm not really seeing Conq's continued suspicion on me, BTW, and Valtz and Mitsuki are kinda scummy for implying Conq still suspects me when it's not really there.
Seriously I'm reading back and I'm not seeing anything beyond an OMGUS (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1009468.html#msg1009468).You mean other than the complete dismissal of the things that Shadoweh and I were posting in order to make it seem as though we had no reason whatsoever to be voting for Serela? Why do all of you people insist on giving us overly simple motivations for what we do?
BT finding Validon suspicious but not voting for him is not good. I also agree with BT wrt to Conq changing his Validon opinion but the aforementioned RVS vote staying on Validon for so long until prodded is kind of sketchy, especially when he implies he isn't gonna change it at first but then switches a few minutes later.By this point you've probably realized that I still had my RVS vote at the time but, anyway, it's because I didn't want to vote him and cause an early shit tornado, just wanted a light press. If that's clear.
I just wanted to point out BT's reasoning because I thought was coming from scum (not really, but I wanted to end RVS).You had me confused for a few seconds but okay. I think varying degrees of :serious: you might have been exhibiting doesn't change anything here. Also stingy WIFOM, please don't do. My eyes are sensetive.
ftr initially i kinda wanted to instavote validon for what i thought was a white knight of the shadoweh wagon but validon is prone to overstatement from past experienceYour case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.
What's scummy isn't switching reads from meta to content, what's scummy is that there was no explanation of this happening, and since the explanation came later after somebody had pointed it out, it's likely that it was made up.The accusation that I didn't bother making up reasoning for a Validon vote until asked later is kinda insulting to my scum game imo because as scum I would have no reason to not provide token reasoning using buzzwords.
Also, Validon has made one friggin post. How much reasoning are you even expecting for a Validon vote? The fact that you're ignoring this and calling people out for flimsy reasoning for a one-line-one-post poster is pretty suspicious in itself. Essentially it boils down to a gut vote, but I tried to explain my gut in a way that makes sense to other people. And this is scummy?I "restated" the white knighting thing because I was asked about it; I wouldn't have brought it up again otherwise because I was waiting for Validon to respond to it.
Because the question is literally "can't scum also get driven to L-1 in ED1?" and I can't fathom how a response to that question would give anything that's telling of his alignment. This was the only thing that accompanied your revote aside from the whole "twisting the situation" business in which I can't see scum benefit and it overall seems to be worded in a way to make it look deliberately scummier.Way to ignore the question I actually asked Validon?
validon, why did you think shadoweh getting put at l-1 so early scream mislynch to you? why can't scum be put at l-1 early in the game (like huhwhat in disgaea mafia)?I asked him why he referred to it as a mislynch; the latter question was an addendum. Again, you're cherry picking my words to spin a picture that isn't there. Also, see above.
The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).If your case is barely ED1 strong why are clutching to it like a drowning man being tossed a lifeline? You seem pretty sure about it to me.
It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.Pointing this out again because reading it makes me increasingly frustrated.
Your vote is actually fairly okay ("okay" as a vote but I think he's leaning town after his reply to you) so I don't get Conq's immediate shooting down of said vote. It probably isn't his first mafia game to boot. (use of "reread" is probably a giveaway, don't think it's had time to be used here)Oops, now that I read his original post in the signup thread yeah it isn't his first game of mafia ever, just on this site. Still, I don't like SB's vote on him because 1) I'm leaning town on CF7 and 2) SB's attack on him is kinda lacking imo. He points out a lot of stuff that shows the CF7 has given out a few very basic reads and thinks Shadormio is scummy, but how does that make CF7 scummy? From reading SB's post I'd almost expect him to vote Serela instead of CF7, so I'm wary about the focus on a relatively new player.
Vhaltz makes a point of presenting my convo with Conq as a slapfight which confuses me. However he does bring up one good point and it's that Conq didn't really mention anything about him reconsidering his Val handwave when it happened.
Conq, hey, if I claimed that you overreacted to Vhaltzotsuki's case, you'd understand, right? It's lovely that your rebuttal is an explanation of how protown your play is and how they dare to not see it. (yes I know it's not all, but it's in there) You definitely could've fooled me that you were going to vote them just from your posts up to #109 so for #110 to announce that you *actually are* is what.
And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1. Most notably that Scum!Validon just wouldn't gain much from "whiteknighting" if it was the actual motive, and if it wasn't it was likely to come from both alignments as I've already said. It's weird that, in your reply to the case, you still give considerable weight to your Validon press when that shouldn't be the case. I don't think you'd have stuck with this for so (relatively) long as town.
And yeah sorry Conq, #117 consolidates with a lot of my own thoughts on ED1.What about #117 do you like, in your own words?
If your case is barely ED1 strong why are clutching to it like a drowning man being tossed a lifeline? You seem pretty sure about it to me.
Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.
What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.I didn't say that, but there's a disconnect between the way you're trying to downplay your case and how convinced of it you seem to be, which is what I'm pointing out.
This may have been obvious in your head but not in-thread (sick rhymes). No really, this isn't as obvious from thread perspective as you're making it out to be and this is why I value clarity the most when it comes to mafia, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who has understood the whole thing this way so I don't think I'm being the issue here. I could see this being a misunderstanding but I could also see it as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up.Actually, I think it is? It's being buried in this mess of words so I don't think anyone else is really understanding what we're saying, but if you look at my posts, I was looking at Validon at Serela, I went for Serela first, didn't like that anymore, and went for Validon afterwards based on my earlier statements. I didn't restate my reasoning on Validon because, as I said. it was mostly a gut feeling and a desire for clarification, and Validon had made one post. By the standards you're pushing, nothing I could have said at the time would have been good enough reasoning. I didn't restate my earlier (weak) reasoning because I knew it was weak but it was the best thing I had at the time. I wanted to avoid what's going on now, because now that I've tried to clarify on what I was trying to say at the time you and BT are all like "you're making this case more than it is." But the only reason I talked more about it was because you asked me to clarify on what I wanted to say, and I did. All I wanted was a response from Validon, but he had to be a jerk and go off playing LoT instead. The way you keep trying to paint this as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up is why I don't like the way you're approaching the case. You've come to the conclusion that I'm scum and are presenting all my posts through that lens. If I did that I could bullshit a case on anyone in the game.
Whether or not I'm right about that point, there's more to the case (and you're shrinking down my case to point 1 when I stated two points, later addressing point 2 which means you're aware that it exists, are you twisting my words to make my case look more waveable for spectators not in the slapfight?).If I addressed both your points I'm not shrinking your case down at all. >_> I reply to posts in chunks because I don't like really big posts. How is that twisting your words at all, like what?
You're understanding my comment on "restating of the whiteknighting" as referring to a post that came later in the game than the one I'm referring to which is your revote post (#79). I pointed out that the content regarding Validon in that post read like filler for a scum-motivated vote, part of the reason being that I didn't understand the pursuit of the question.I don't know what you're trying to say here. It's a lose-lose situation; either I post reasoning and it's filler or I don't post reasoning and it's a scummy blank vote. I've already stated why I decided to explain my vote the way I did. In any case it's nice that you acknowledge that you completely misread my question because that explains why I couldn't make any sense of your earlier query. >_>
Despite that, I agree with BT's points regarding how you've been replying to our case (rage/overreaction call Endymion to memory rather than last game's town!Conq) so I don't know. It's late and I'll have to reread everything again to decide with these details in mind so I guess I'll have to postpone judgement until tomorrow.Actually, if you want actually comparable meta, check out any game where I've been attacked as town (like Pictures of Birds, Path of Radiance, Micro 31); what you're associating with Endymion and scum!Conq is alignment irrelevant. I wouldn't exactly call it rage (it's more like blinding bloodlust) but it's an unfortunate character flaw of mine that I've been trying to cut down on.
The whole BT/Conq slapfight is weird because there seems to be intent on both sides to keep the slapfight to a minimumThank god, do you realize how pointless those things usually are? At the very least, ones that are occurring in D1. It generates a ton of noise that's hard to read through and generally doesn't even give much useful insight.
There are also Serela's vote which has no reasoning to it at allThe Validon wagon was silly. NNR didn't even have the credit of starting it, but rather, jumped on. Conq at least was voting Validon with the intent of having Vali answer a few questions he had, which isn't so bad. So, out of the three voting him... yeah.
and outing a townread on Shadoweh for some reason that he hasn't even explained.Huh? Did I do this? I can't remember :T
when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard).Oh my god I'm going to cry. You say this when you're making wall after wall after wall about Conq. I'm going to read other people's posts instead. :c It's important though, so can you try to make a concise summary of your case on Conq? Like, a list of bulletpoints? PLEASE.
SB's post looks fine at a glance but his actual desires of who to vote seem kinda bleh, aka the Prims shenanigan and voting CF.Could you explain what you mean by this? Also, what did you want to say about BT yesterday (I asked you right before you went away so you probably missed it).
I'll consider voting you if you don't provide something other than "help me pls who do you guys suspect"How am I gonna figure out who to vote if I can hardly even tell what half of the other players are doing >:c
tl;dr conq and vhaltz are collecting votes for beng loud and fighting and being the only things for people to analyze so they should stop ftingthis marks at least a third of the players in the game declaring this stuff as silly
Hey, Val, was the explanation behind not lynching someone during RVS necessary? I don't think it was.
BT, do you find what Validon did suspicious? If so, why?
The need to clarify things even when they're obvious.
##Vote: BTTo me, this entire exchange looks choreographed.
Validon usually does that kind of thing, so I think it's weird you're qualifying that as suspicious.
What should I do then? Not pursue any cases in D1? I'm rarely convinced that my cases hit scum but if I think there's chances I'll go for it and it's what I have now. I want to think this is frustration speaking and I'll point out that you shouldn't take this personally beyond the game.This response from Vhaltz causes a lot of alarms to ring in my head.
The way you keep trying to paint this as scum trying to bullshit his way out of a screw-up is why I don't like the way you're approaching the case. You've come to the conclusion that I'm scum and are presenting all my posts through that lens.
That aside, Dormio also seems to take special note on our comments on Validon being a defense when we've repeatedly clarified that we think of him as null.
Mainly that she attempts to defend her position and states that she never gave a clear, nor implied one, towards Validon.I get that you've stated your opinion of Validon as being neutral, but as I asked in my previous post, why bother defending Validon in that case?
However, doesn't stating that a particular type of behaviour is typical of a player while voting for another player that attacks the aforementioned player for that behaviour contradict that statement? Mitsuki tries to dismiss this as holding a neutral stance, but in that case, why did she feel the need to defend Validon so?
If I had to vote someone that'd be CF7. He's doing nothing and detaching himself from the game and while I don't think that's scum motivated it'd be nice to give him an incentive to post. And since I don't have suspicions on other players, well, why not? I just ask everybody not to hammer before I'm back (since both Vhaltz and I will be on a trip and back before the end of D1) and I can decide what to do with my vote. If I don't suspect anyone and he's still doing the same he's done until now I'll be fine with the lynch.:wat:
I said that Serela seems to be a townie.
Considering Shadoweh/Dormio. First there's some sort of RVS/Joke Serela wagon. Then NNR wagon started by Serela, joined by Conq, and then there's this Shadoweh post.For me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.
And this is my first game on this forum. I don't know people's meta. I'm just judging things as i see them.
Ugh. I'm having a really really busy day at work. Also i wanted to type a wall of text myself, but really don't have the time for it atm.
In as few words as possible.
I think that Shadoweh/Dormio is most likely town because there's nothing in their posts that looks scummy to me.
Conqueror is also likely a townie.
Kind of suspecting Vhaltz/Mitsuki for overreacting with to somewhat trivial matter. And i think it's kind of a scummy behaviour.
After reading through Serela's post actually make me suspect him. There's almost nothing constructive, at least for this stage of day 1.
NNR is likely town, but i read something, that i can't quite put into words, but well. There's something that irks me off.
SB. Not sure. But judging from his posts i think he's probably a town.
BT not quite sure. Will looks through his posts some more.
And lastly Validon is not here.
So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
If this post looks kind of rushed, it was written during a 15 minute coffee break.
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Vhaltz/SerelaActionDan what
I know he's a newbie, but since when are newbies allowed not to post and that's fine with everybody?Mitsuki wut? He's posting, you might be misinterpreting the amount due to the fact that you were busy having a wall fight with Conq and bloating up the thread. Looking back over posts, Dormio's #171 pretty adequately explains the :idonteven: going on with this vote. After the silly wallwar they just drop Conq and go for... this really weird vote that Mitsuki even admits doesn't feel scummy but let's lynch it kthnx?
He said that one of Shadoweh's posts was scummy, but apparently that post isn't any more, with no reasoning behind it? That's what I don't like.Well i misjudged them. I reread their posts then i dismissed it as an odd vote.
After reading Conq/BT i'm actually thinking that Conq is a townie. Not Sure about BT. And i still think that Shadoweh/Dormio is scum.
##Unvote for now.
Considering Shadoweh/Dormio. First there's some sort of RVS/Joke Serela wagon. Then NNR wagon started by Serela, joined by Conq, and then there's this Shadoweh post.For me it's not a townie vote at all. It's pretty random and looks like scum jumping on an easy wagon.
I think that Shadoweh/Dormio is most likely town because there's nothing in their posts that looks scummy to me.
Conqueror is also likely a townie.
Kind of suspecting Vhaltz/Mitsuki for overreacting with to somewhat trivial matter. And i think it's kind of a scummy behaviour.
After reading through Serela's post actually make me suspect him. There's almost nothing constructive, at least for this stage of day 1.
NNR is likely town, but i read something, that i can't quite put into words, but well. There's something that irks me off.
SB. Not sure. But judging from his posts i think he's probably a town.
BT not quite sure. Will looks through his posts some more.
And lastly Validon is not here.
So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
If this post looks kind of rushed, it was written during a 15 minute coffee break.
So my main issues with you are 1) how your thought process on Validon is unclear in-thread until the ~potentially made up a posteriori explanation~. It's convenient for scum to switch onto weak townie that's a potential D1 lynch early on. And 2) weird restatement of the earlier white knighting that's blown out of proportion in revote along with a poke on an irrelevant question, which makes me feel like it's all just filler for a scum-motivated vote to make it look nice.
Your case on me is literally that I didn't mention discarding this meta when I revoted Validon, but that doesn't even matter at all because the meta point I brought up was "something Validon did that was scummy could be a null tell." Yes, but that still makes it something scummy that he did. I initially stayed away from voting Validon because I thought his behavior would be alignment irrelevant and opted to vote Serela instead. Once I didn't feel comfortable with a Serela vote anymore, I decided that the meta point wasn't enough for me to avoid a Validon vote over Serela, and in any case I wanted clarification from him.
Again, point me out where I meta'd Validon as town. It's like what Mitsuki did earlier in the game when she said "Validon always does this," or something to that effect. Never did I meta Validon as town, and the way you're painting this as a complete 180 is just misrepping/misinterpreting (depending on your alignment) the entire situation.
Hey NNR did you read my reply to Conq because I don't think you did.This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.
It's not the change in opinion, changes in opinion happen, sure, but in switching his read he never mentioned how or why the readswitch happened at the time he voted. Twice. If at one point you say somebody's post is bad but meta him town, and then you change your mind about the meta and decide to vote him instead, that's a 180? turn so it's natural and common sense that you'd explain why you changed your mind at the time of the vote. Conq didn't explain until much later which feels like trying to cover up for a screw up.
Also your view of Validon!scum is clearly making you biased towards Conq's side in a ConqvsUs discussion because he dislikes Validon whereas we think he's null. This is specially clear when your reasons behind your vote on us are extremely subpar. The only mention you make of my points is that you half-understand them and wrote out something as obvious as that people change their minds and that it doesn't make them scummy, when this is barely scratching the surface of the reasoning behind my Conq case (which is barely ED1 strong as it is so this should not be hard)....what? ...Biased? I don't have anyone as town yet, and I'm not going to defend Conq at this point to try and lynch you, I'm going to lynch you if you're scummy. I disagree with your opinion that Conq's voteswitches have been scummy so far and I think your reasons for voting him are reaching a bit too far.
Your only valid point may be Mitsuki's issue with Conq's continued suspicion on you, which she has since conceded because she misread (I remind you that English is not her mother tongue). I advise that you read our posts and the thread again and update your case/vote.I can accept a misunderstanding, at least.
Well i misjudged them. I reread their posts then i dismissed it as an odd vote.
And i guess i should vote too, since it's close to time limit. ##Vote Vhaltz/Mitsuki for the reasons i stated before.
This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.
Mitsuki wut? He's posting, you might be misinterpreting the amount due to the fact that you were busy having a wall fight with Conq and bloating up the thread. Looking back over posts, Dormio's #171 pretty adequately explains the :idonteven: going on with this vote. After the silly wallwar they just drop Conq and go for... this really weird vote that Mitsuki even admits doesn't feel scummy but let's lynch it kthnx?
It's hard to interpret BT's post because, as he admits, it's a mess; ontop of that I don't like how the wagon on him is "he feels kind of weird I guess, so we should lynch him?" with a question mark, especially considering that yes, he had little time so it was indeed a mess. Unfortunately, since he's not supposed to really be back around until D2, there's not really room for following up either; but I definitely don't like that wagon right now.
This is kind of hypocritical since your other half is arguing the same opposite thing about a meta-related FoS.
...what? ...Biased? I don't have anyone as town yet, and I'm not going to defend Conq at this point to try and lynch you, I'm going to lynch you if you're scummy. I disagree with your opinion that Conq's voteswitches have been scummy so far and I think your reasons for voting him are reaching a bit too far.
also serela what happened to your initial suspicion of sbI was homing in on him during my rereading after the talk of CF7 contradictions but then he responded to me and I went "oh that actually makes sense :c" and dropped it.
...But I'll grant that things are getting increasingly disjointed with two independent posting heads not reaching agreements about content.After the current issue starting to pop up of your slot having two heads thinking significantly different things and practically working independently of eachother this does sound kind of nice >_> When Mitsuki replied to me saying "...but that was my other head o.o;" for the first time I went "AUGH HYDRAS". In the past I'm used to them basically working in cooperation and being treatable as a single person.
I mean really, you're just saying my vote is incomplete, right? Obviously it is.
I request this game's title is changed to You Don't Know Who Will Join Next! Mafia.
I did warn at the start of the game that we were each going to post our individual opinions, and later restated again that I'm barely going over Mitsuki's posts for language issues. I was also focused on clarifying and pushing my Conq case back at the time of the post you quote.First of all, you two are in the same player slot, so I generally expect you're going to be agreeing on most points, considering you share a vote. As earlier, if you wanted to have a different opinion, you should have taken your own player slot. I guess this point doesn't matter, however, since you seem to have already picked up on the point.
I also asked you not to take things personally but you seem to have done so judging from your misunderstanding comment. Dude, don't do that.
Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.
So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?
Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/
Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.If you're going to be playing as a team, then saying the other head is a separate entity is pointless, because either I have to suspect both of you or neither of you, and you both being contradictory and trying to defend it only makes you both less reliable.
So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?
Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/
And here's the relevant part! Here sweet dear CF7 says that he thinks Shadormio is town because there's nothing in his posts that makes them look scummy, even when he gave reasoning before and that's quite the only thing he's done in this game prior to this post. Do I need to explain why this is scummy?Somehow you didn't read my post directly above, where i said that i dismissed that vote as an odd vote, i.e. it was sort of a joke vote of a first day. And aside from that
Also, guess who his new scumspects are? Popular targets, Serela and us. Quite convenient.Quite. Not counting the fact, that it's not the only me who finds your behavior suspicious.
Well, could you at least say what you're interpreting as an overreaction so that we can at least explain what happened? You just stated that (which is really weak reasoning btw, as lots of people have overreacted in this game so far and I don't think neither Vhaltz or I are one of those. Scum or not, you're only focusing on us because it's convenient - groupthink) and gave no clue on what you meant. So I ask you: from what we did, what do you think is an overreaction? And why do you think it's scummy? I think town are the ones that overreact more, by the way, unless the overreaction is faked to gain towncred (as we thought about Conqueror at some point).It's yours and Vhlatz posts 99 and 100 respectively. It's just the beginning of the day. Somehow you concluded that Conqueror is acting strange, "not in character" and that's weird as hell.
CF7's behaviour just now is very scummy in my opinion, so in addition to my/SB's case I'm totally fine with my vote.
Here Conqueror says he understands NNR's logic, but gives the fact that NNR wasn't the one to explicitly state it as a valid point to keep suspecting him. Why? You're supposed to understand the reasoning, and you don't say you find it suspicious. Even if you cover it with words your suspicions are just based on the fact that he was misunderstood. However, how is being misunderstood scummy? It doesn't seem like you're saying that explanation was made up later, which clearly looks like something very unlikely.You suspect Conq because of his "vote-hopping" and how it is convenient. And it's still that beginning of the day 1 phase. I might be wrong and overreacting myself, but well, that's how i see things.
I think that's quite an unnatural train of thought and something very convenient for scum to do. It lets you give up the vote for a better wagon but you can always go back to voting NNR if people vote him again (and I think he's an easy target).
##Unvote
##Vote: Conqueror/PX
Somehow you didn't read my post directly above, where i said that i dismissed that vote as an odd vote, i.e. it was sort of a joke vote of a first day.
It's yours and Vhlatz posts 99 and 100 respectively. It's just the beginning of the day. Somehow you concluded that Conqueror is acting strange, "not in character" and that's weird as hell.
I think you're in more danger then you think but I don't really want to vote you. I think Dormio finds you much more suspicious then me. I think BT should be lynched for his not gonna bother posts, they're impossible to read from an alignment perspective. I don't think Serela is a bad consolidation option, he didn't seem legit to me earlier.>other head has feelings for other wagon
I think banging these all out now with no claims is really bad. I'm going to sleep so I hope everyone jumps on the BT-wagon or else!
Serela: Nothing. Would be an okay consolidation vote if he hadn't been clinging onto it for 24 hours after saying himself that his major concerns with us had been cleared up.Thing is, as I said in the same post, none of the lynching candidates are that great.
The point being that the only reason we're being a wagon right now is because Conq voted us and pushed us earlier in the day, and people decided jumping on the wagon was a nice thing to do.Overreaction. Even if the cases on you weren't -great- it's not like people just sheeped Conq and got on.
Violating the not posting clause from earlier because this situation is ridiculous for our slot and I can't bear to just stare at the thread to see what happens.You're not allowed to quote your QT.
Let me remind people what the cases on us are.
CF7: Our #99 and #100 are "overreacting" (it's a pretty word that was being thrown around a lot at the time so why not?). That's it.
NNR: We suck because we played as independent hydra heads with different opinions and it's harder to read and he wouldn't do that. I can go in depth as to why his last content post sucks all the way to hell and back but it's something that's annoying me a lot and I'd rather not say anything because I don't want to be a jerk. Also I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote what I said in the QT.
Serela: Nothing. Would be an okay consolidation vote if he hadn't been clinging onto it for 24 hours after saying himself that his major concerns with us had been cleared up.
Overreaction. Even if the cases on you weren't -great- it's not like people just sheeped Conq and got on.
pretty sure you didUh if I sheeped anyone it'd be Dormio and not Conq, and even then I started thinking it was weird before I noticed his paragraph on it and provided some degree of my own reasoning D:
support of anyone presenteveryone*, considering there's 4 people here >>
CF7 did, pretty sure you did, so everybody other than NNR who votes for us because he dislikes that I told him he was wrong and he's biased ever since.If you're going for the literal interpretation of "Oh My God You Suck" then you're doing pretty well.
We're the doc.aghghaghaghhhhhgh
That claim is desperate enough to be believable for now, but not by much...I actually find it perfectly believable to be a fake.
I know he's a newbie, but since when are newbies allowed not to post and that's fine with everybody? Do you think that's going to do any good for him to learn, let alone for the game to progress?Like this.
Conq case was the best I had so secondary scumspects are pretty subpar if I say so myself.And this which seems kind of systematic.
aghghaghaghhhhhghhow long are these minutes by the way?
just noting that I'm leaving in 3 minutes so if we're flashwagoning anyone else you should start immediately
Shadowrun is important okay >:< Also Serela is a girl, there is no mistake there.When I was going on my break at work (which I have to go back to in a minute aaaa) some guy started to sling his bag of groceries around for fun the moment before I walked past and it hit me in the arm really hard
Serela is whatever you want Serela to be
When I was going on my break at work (which I have to go back to in a minute aaaa) some guy started to sling his bag of groceries around for fun the moment before I walked past and it hit me in the arm really hard:C
I went "OW :C" but kept walking and behind me I heard the old lady he was talking to accusingly say "You hurt her!"
BACK TO WORK ON MY LITTLE MOTOR SCOOTER
Serela is proud of his unidentified gender shenanigans.(http://i.imgur.com/J8U835Q.gif)
Moral Panic Ensues After Violent Roleplay Spills Into Real Life
HW unintentionally stumbled upon a picture of me once because of shenanigans but it was from numerous years ago and my hair was really blegh at the time so I looked... differentClearly he was looking for pictures so the dress would fit JUST RIGHT! :D Also on topic:
HW unintentionally stumbled upon a picture of me once because of shenanigans but it was from numerous years ago and my hair was really blegh at the time so I looked... differenti know your first name too and i think i remember your last?
I left some clues saying "hey guys we can't self protect" out there so that there was no kill today, but I guess they've been ignored after all. Oh well.Where?
I dismissed more than two killing roles as stupid so I said nothing about it, but sure, it fitted with my theory.When?
... I thought the gunsmith was a role that gave guns to the players, but now I see the article on mafiascum and I guess they aren't. Or are they?I thought so too, I dunno.
Well, since we're probably dying anyways I think that everyone should consider (after the day ends) the fact that there might be a situation on this setup where both town and scum don't win. Look at the town wincon, first post or your role PM will do.
It says that town wins when there are no remaining threads to town, sure, but it also says that a townie should be alive for that to happen. It is usually assumed that will happen so it's not written specifically, but here it is, so I reached the conclusion that there might be a situation where there might be no players left (bomb) or a survivor and two killing roles.
Rule 9 says that MyLo, LyLo, pesudo MyLo and LyLo will be announced. I think that the reason on why we'll need such a degree of precision on that could also be an indicative of what I said.
EBWOP: "at what point"
What would a kevorkian doctor do?a doc that can elect to kill at the expense of forgoing other doc shots. kinda fits in with the "over-prescriptive" in the flip
so what the fuck man?
It's also much more likely that the gunsmith is the kind that hands out guns because according to the wiki Serial Killers don't kill with guns.
@Conq what does a kevorkian doctor do? is it the same as CPR doctor? because otherwise I don't understand what kind of doc could kill it's target. And don't SK kills generally have priority over all other killing roles? (which would mean if CF7 was targeted by SB he wouldn't also be killed?)
3) pesco (Doctor)
Good evening, Tewi. You've spent enough time around Eirin to know a thing or two about medicine, but being a trickster rabbit, you also know it can have some very unsettling side effects... which you might just use to your advantage, given you stole a bunch of medicine from Eientei before getting roped into this scum-hunting business.
You are a town-aligned Kevorkian Doc. You can use your medicine to attempt to save one person per night, or you may stuff all of it in their mouths to end their pathetic existence. Note that if you do the latter, you can't heal anyone else - you're out of medicine! Unfortunately, you're not skilled enough to heal yourself - nor are you capable of healing the same target consecutively. Finally, you only have enough patience to protect someone three times.
You win with the town. Best of luck!
gut says just policy lynch dormio and that dan wouldn't put a VT in this set-up even to troll but idk
Vhaltz/Mitsuki: why didn't you breadcrumb as doc?
I feel like claiming right now and getting this over with(http://puu.sh/2LaOs.jpg)
just really boring
we SHOULD have an autowin in any case
And lynching the only claimed VT is a terrible idea when we have yet to see two claims. We're not running headfirst into speeding up the game thank you very much.chill out, no one is suggesting this
this would have been confirmed if it weren't for NNR's role being annoyingly ambiguous but welp
Well you guys also might be scum faking a cop inno so no.maybe if youre dumb. were obvtown
were obvtown
And why is that so?http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15351.msg1010934.html#msg1010934
however, i'd like to propose the following: the first non-obvtown (shadormio, polly) to try and push conqpx and i using an elaborate conspiracy theory is confirmed scum looking for the extra lynch they need to win the game
@ActionDan: Can we get clarification on what definition of "Gunsmith" you're using?
oh my godmy notepad has size 8 font and I filled it after ~6 hours of work today
fuck you dan
fuck you so hard
i dont think polly would clear shadoweh/dormio the way he did here as scum. i mean it's possible as a HAIL MARY gambit but i think it's more likely he'd just go :effort:, claim vt, and then get steamrolled by all the remaining power roles because why bother?
and I also find him much townier than Conq.
Except it doesn't make any sense that he'd CC Vanilla?from a purely logical standpoint claiming vt doesnt make autolynching polaris/shadormio the winning play (setup says "at least one vt"), but from a practical standpoint what would have happened is that we would have lynched polaris today instead of him being able to push vhaltzosuki as an alternate lynch. so i guess you're right in a way.
Just think about it, it was very likely that there was a vig whether from the start of the game or created by the gunsmith variant that gives out guns. Which means this isn't close to true LyLo as soon as the vig realizes he shouldn't shoot. This means town has two lynches left, and counterclaiming VT means outing one of the two VT claims as scum, making the game autopilot lynching both claims for the win.
However, counterclaiming us by throwing in another weak doc into the setup he could somehow BS his way into getting us lynched today and play paranoia in LyLo with BT/Conq. Claiming something other than vanilla is the only way he'd have to survive as an SK.
I think we should lynch Conq because that would definitely give me another night and day phase to work on my flavor.
I don't know what gunsmith variant you guys keep talking about, but a giving gun action wouldn't have resolved until the night ended. There's a vig, an sk, and one sk left, we have the three kills accounted for. We have the technology.
from a purely logical standpoint claiming vt doesnt make autolynching polaris/shadormio the winning play (setup says "at least one vt"), but from a practical standpoint what would have happened is that we would have lynched polaris today instead of him being able to push vhaltzosuki as an alternate lynch. so i guess you're right in a way.
if it makes you reconsider your read on scum!conq part of the reason im shitposting this game is because i know itll cause people to read me as townshitposting makes me read you as scum though
if it makes you reconsider your read on scum!conq part of the reason im shitposting this game is because i know itll cause people to read me as townyou bastard
Serela disappearing after asking for my opinion and not actually giving an opinion about who he wants to lynch is really frustrating. One day I will roll a vig and justice will be sweet.hey conq
If I'm not understanding this wrong you saying there's more scum that 1 left, Shadoweh? what is going on in your head?nah shadoweh means there was a sk that flipped last night
What does a farmer do?
Fuck how did I misread framer as farmer
it's the middle of the night in the americas so
huhwhat you're not american anymore get outi live in california not hawaii :/
this flip might not be coming for like 7 hours.(http://i.imgur.com/HjUOecX.gif)
he's not coming back
we're town, so if you're town, then it's gg
go enjoy your afternoon
Polaris, a Investigative Immune Serial Killer, aligned with Himself, was lynched D2another one what
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Conq and PX.
You are a Cop.
You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to investigate. You will recieve either "town", "not-town", or "no result".
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None
Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Vhaltz and Mitsuki.
You are a Doctor.
You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to protect.
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None
Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, BT.
You are a Vigilante.
You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to kill.
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None
Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Shadoweh and Dormio.Here (http://quicktopic.com/50/H/xKxtQwEJYDvD) is our hydra QT btw.
You are a Vanilla.
You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: None
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None
Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
My main concern is what the other town PRs are because a cop would be weird and it can't be a vig since there's at least two killing roles. Maybe there's a tracker but depending on a tracker's results for a lynch in a 9p setup is ugh.
Maybe there's one of those SK converting roles? a psychiatrist or whatever?
I don't have enough exp to be any good with role speculation.
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Serela.The first thing I did was confirm I received my rolepm by screaming in joy at AD over serial killer
You are a Serial Killer.
You are aligned with: Yourself
Active abilities: Before the game starts you may select one of the following modifiers to your role: Bulletproof, Strongman, Investigative Immune;
Bulletproof: protects from all sources of kills UNLESS shot by someone with a Strongman modifier
Strongman: Every shot you choose to make is unblockable. Your shot cannot be roleblocked, doc-blocked, redirected, or busdrived.
Investigative Immune: All investigative types without exception will produce negative or otherwise favorable results if they would otherwise implicate you.
Factional abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to kill. During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilites: You know at least two other people recieved this exact same role.
Win Condition: You win if you are alive and there are no remaining threats to yourself. No more than 2 people total may be alive (one of which is yourself).
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role plus choosing your prefered role modifier.
Good luck!
I claim killing roles as ITP almost every time and I have a 100% winrate upon rolling third. :smug:
But yeah, SB was actually a Jailkeeper who didn't hook his target if he successfully blocked a kill attempt against them, not an anti-Hitman Doc. Not sure what sort of Gunsmith NNR was.
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, SB.
You are a Overly Prescriptive Doctor.
You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to protect.
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: If your target was not targeted for a kill then your protection roleblocks your target instead.
Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
And VM the only reason I didn't CC you was because I got called away to stop my puppy from escaping into my neighbor's garden, and I tried to hook you because I thought you were maf (before I realized wtf this setup was)
Like I just said in IRC we were very lucky that you left 1 hour to deadline because otherwise the whole game would've been screwed for town.ARARRRGGGHGHHHGAHGGGGHHHHH
ARARRRGGGHGHHHGAHGGGGHHHHHbreaking news: puppy wins award for best town performance 2013
DENIED BY PUPPIES ;_;
breaking news: puppy wins award for best town performance 2013I am okay with this
ARARRRGGGHGHHHGAHGGGGHHHHH
DENIED BY PUPPIES ;_;
I really liked how SB played this time, he was right about practically everything with good reasons behind his votes <3
and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that meddling dog!
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, NNR.My night action was to look if VM had a gun, since obviously by the end of D1 I still had huge suspicion of him.
You are a Gunsmith.
You are aligned with: Town
Active abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to investigate. You will recieve either "has gun", "has no gun", or "no result".
Factional abilities: During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilities: None
Win Condition: You win if at least one player aligned with Town is alive and there are no remaining threats to Town
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
DAN I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM STRANGLING YOU WITH MY MIND
MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, Zakeri.
You are Not playing.
You are aligned with: Yourself
Active abilities: None
Factional abilities: None
Passive abilities: None
Win Condition: You win if you are alive (You are not).
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role.
Good luck!
CF7, how much experience do you have playing mafia? Now I'm curious...Quite a lot, i can link you to the forum i usually play on, but you'll need google translate or something.
Welcome to You Don't Know the Setup Mafia, CF7.Trigger happy BT :derp:
You are a Serial Killer.
You are aligned with: Yourself
Active abilities: Before the game starts you may select one of the following modifiers to your role: Bulletproof, Strongman, Investigative Immune;
Bulletproof: protects from all sources of kills UNLESS shot by someone with a Strongman modifier
Strongman: Every shot you choose to make is unblockable. Your shot cannot be roleblocked, doc-blocked, redirected, or busdrived.
Investigative Immune: All investigative types without exception will produce negative or otherwise favorable results if they would otherwise implicate you.
Factional abilities: every night you may target one player of your choosing to kill. During the day you may discuss and post in the thread and vote for the purposes of lynching
Passive abilites: You know at least two other people recieved this exact same role.
Win Condition: You win if you are alive and there are no remaining threats to yourself. No more than 2 people total may be alive (one of which is yourself).
Please confirm your role by pming me the name of your role plus choosing your prefered role modifier.
Good luck!
Trigger happy BT :derp:Well hey, I actually had some good reasons, I can explain if you'd like.
I think I played pretty decently past ED1, although I have no clue why BT wanted to vig meMostly gut... 'specially your late D1, the way you handled VM, how you showed doubt but had to wait for CF7's unvote to change votes yourself, that kind of thing. I considered vigging you instead because it'd be harder to build a coherent case on you (gut) and that's why you usually shoot your gut. :v
Well hey, I actually had some good reasons, I can explain if you'd like.Then explain. Also i was considering you as a target for nightkill. Would have been epic if i went along with it.
Shadormio votiong NNR is a bit weird to me. Practically baseless.
You think we're scum? O_o since when? I don't think voting nnr is baseless.
Mainly your NNR vote.I'd think people would normally press someone who basically responds with "no lol it isn't" unless they really don't care in the first place.
So. I'm willing to vote Serela or Vhaltz/Mitsuki.
The thing is, potentially any claim can be fake. /stating the obviousYou basically didn't care to mention Serela even once in late D1 after mentioning him as a suspect. Like you forgot about it completely.
Tho i'm not sure i want to risk losing doc.
##Unvote
Assuming that would have stopped my kill. Don't think Dan's ever clarified priority?When i asked Dan about what would happen if there's only 2 SK's left by the end of the day, he said that they would shot each other. And outcome would depend on their passives. I.e. both bulletproof, both win. So my guess both dead.
Basically it didn't seem like you cared for some of your suspicions on multiple occasions.Sort of true. Well, lesson learned.
I'd think people would normally press someone who basically responds with "no lol it isn't" unless they really don't care in the first place.
Then there's this:You basically didn't care to mention Serela even once in late D1 after mentioning him as a suspect. Like you forgot about it completely.
Postgame cases strongth.
@NNR vig. Tunnel vision is a very easy thing for scum to fake and it leaves them open for any other targets at the end of the day because they're not giving reads on anybody else in the game, see Raitaki's tunnel vision on Shadoweh throughout the whole of D2 in Town Mafia.My "tunneling" has managed to nab me scum before, and I had very strong gut+suspicion on VM. I still had other reads, but nobody in particular really stuck out as scummy for most of D1 aside from them. Switching to Serela was mostly a matter of the fact I could simply cop VM, and that he was impossible to lynch that far into deadline anyway, which was the ultimately deciding factor. Lynching a claimed vanilla over doc is usually a good idea anyway if the claim is at least a little believable. I think I acted pretty well within the mindset of my role.
btw guys if I knew there were at least two other serial killers I would have jumped on BULLETPROOF myself. :V You can't win if you're dead!
Claiming Bulletproof is like claiming Serial Killer.
If you claim Vig you can at least get a few people to try and use you like a tool (in a normal game).