A chi stanta, ? chi scurnochja.:colonveeplusalpha:
I am going to eat ALL THE PUMPKINS.Starting with this one.
Lord Dechronos (3): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi
Guys, 48 hours. We can't afford a slow RVS.
##Vote: El Bobomoi
Exceedingly longwinded.
Each player (barring exceptions like Doublevoter) has one vote, which they may cast for players at will.
Baron's votes and posts so far are bothering me because they don't actually contain any text from him, he's just voting silently or posting quotes.Why Vladmu over people who have yet to post or have not contributed anything outside of random votes?
There's always the possibility of a PR, but I find it just as likely that someone could be acting like they have a PR so people will ignore them. It's a valid tactic.Why are you already engaging in PR speculation?
Using meta from past games isn't going to do anything for this game, either, especially since this is an Anon game, and we don't actually know who here was in the last Mafia game.
I'm not sure if I get the actual reason for your vote here. Could you explain this in a little more detail?QuoteEach player (barring exceptions like Doublevoter) has one vote, which they may cast for players at will.
That said, El Bobomoi's vote looks easily retractable once Baron Vladmu explains himself.That makes his vote scummy how? I fail to see how it does. Which in extension makes your vote look strange.
##Unvote, Vote: Nuko Do MaronVoting for people who haven't contributed yet would be no better then voting for lurkers or jokevoters. It'd be bad play.
You don't belong in mafia cat. You're a cat. Why Vladmu over people who have yet to post or have not contributed anything outside of random votes? Why are you already engaging in PR speculation?
Voting for people who haven't contributed yet would be no better then voting for lurkers or jokevoters.*clarification: It would specifically be bad play this early in the game, when it's Day 1 and only just past RVS.
To clarify, the no effort is shown in his reply after being called out, where he completely disregards Selena's third-on-wagon vote and focuses on 13 Eyes' vote not being an actual vote.
I'm not sure if I get the actual reason for your vote here. Could you explain this in a little more detail?
The issue with being exceedingly succint is being unable to tell whether this makes me scum and is a rather serious vote for this stage of the game or if you're just annoyed with my wording style and want me to stop it.Your Dechronos vote was exceedingly opaque and wordy for what amounted to an OMGUS bandwagon hop.
This post is pretty bad.That makes his vote scummy how? I fail to see how it does. Which in extension makes your vote look strange.Quote from: Septentrion Pleiades
##Vote Septentrion Pleaides
Also guys, stop it with the PR speculation.
Pleiades's content @ #59 is something I wholeheartedly agree on. Bobomoi's defense claiming that the reason for suspicion would still stand (therefore justifying the park) despite the fact that this is the first 24 hours of the game we're talking about here, is also bad, not to mention how Baron is apparently lazy because he quotes in his posts and nothing else, as opposed to other people that are lazy but don't get a mention because they include more words in their posts!
Specially from Pope, given he added nothing to Pleiades' case which had already recieved questioning and required clarification, adding nothing to it other than my singling out Baron as lazy when I had made an activity prod post right after, which should clearly indicate that I was unhappy with everybody's level of activity.
Although, I will admit that I did not try seeing it as "an attempt to end RVS". This doesn't fully excuse you for this but this DOES make it less of a scumtell. There's also how you keep trying to justify your Baron vote (over a vote on anyone else, since he was "specially lazy"), which seems like something scum would just drop and forget about.
Each player (barring exceptions like Doublevoter) has one vote, which they may cast for players at will.
Shows up to attack El Bobomoi for attacking him for not having a reason. But the way you piggyback off Pleiades's reasons for voting Bobomoi rub me wrong.
Do you have anything to say about the rest of the game?You ask question of Bobomoi and say Baron Vladmu bad while reading different game than what Baron Vladmu is playing. Question returned. What of rest of game? Nuko Town, rest flibbertigibbet ED1 strong.
This doesn't actually make sense for either of them. How does Eye's jokevote actually tie into anything at all? His vote on Bombi seems pretty justified then I guess, Bomboi seems like he was just making up reasons to vote Baron. Although Bomboi has now clarified better, so I guess it's all a misunderstanding.To clarify, the no effort is shown in his reply after being called out, where he completely disregards Selena's third-on-wagon vote and focuses on 13 Eyes' vote not being an actual vote.Scummy. Too much effort to have original reason; wrong besides. Personally made no effort to "[focus] on 13 Eyes' vote not being an actual vote." Vote stays.
But the way you piggyback off Pleiades's reasons for voting Bobomoi rub me wrong.This doesn't make must sense to me, Pleiades reasoning and Baron's current reasoning for voting Bomboi seem completely different.
Shows up to attack El Bobomoi for attacking him for not having a reason.
The very definition of trapping.
Said Bobomoi was trying too hard to come up with original reason. How translate to "not having a reason"?
To clarify, the no effort is shown in his reply after being called out, where he completely disregards Selena's third-on-wagon vote and focuses on 13 Eyes' vote not being an actual vote.Are you even reading the thread? How the fuck was he saying you were trying too hard?
Pleiades says Bobomoi is voteparking, Baron says Bobomoi making up convoluted reason to justify original reason for vote. How piggyback?
Endymion: You ask question of Bobomoi and say Baron Vladmu bad while reading different game than what Baron Vladmu is playing. Question returned. What of rest of game? Nuko Town, rest flibbertigibbet ED1 strong.
How trap if Baron Vladmu did not vote for no reason, and Bobomoi not attack Vladmu for having no reason? Baron think Endymion eager to spin Endymion version of thread, but this still public thread.:psyduck:
Are YOU reading he thread? From hat I've read Baron's "shoveled attempt to hold onto an RVS vote" is based on a misunderstanding, from since Baron has since noticed....I have no words for you people. Explain this misunderstanding, because all I'm seeing is Baron being deliberately obtuse.
Are you even reading the thread? How the fuck was he saying you were trying too hard?
Baron says Bobomoi making up convoluted reason to justify original reason for vote.
Are you even reading the thread?
Baron I hope for your own sake this isn't some horrible form of RP, because if it is you need to stop, like, right now.
I'd still like it better if you didn't go all Meiya here and post properly if your posts become too hard to read and people ask you to
Maron, as much as I hate WIFOM, I find it hard to believe Milfall and Eyes would do the same mistake one after another as a scumteam. Is there any reason you're going Eyes>Milfall besides "he had less words"? I feel like we should be going for a concentrated effort and this is kind of a waste.I've not said anything about them being a scumteam, not have I put any thoughts into concentrating votes on a single person with other players yet. I'd vote both of them since they're just as bad as eachother, but I simply can't do that with a single vote.
Baron says -> Bobomoi makes up convoluted reason to justify original reason for vote -> Baron says Bobomoi is trying too hard.So you're saying you kept your vote on him because he was trying too hard.
Scummy. Too much effort to have original reason; wrong besides. Personally made no effort to "[focus] on 13 Eyes' vote not being an actual vote." Vote stays.How do you even get that from this post? I'm completely serious. I feel like you're just pulling stuff out of thin air here.
I misread this as an excuse for not voting 13 Eyes, since his multiple vote attempt was not valid and therefore didn't count as a wagon hop. This interpretation meant he was clearly disregarding Milfall's wagon hop and therefore hadn't clearly read all the posts after the votecount, using only the votecount as a means to vote and disregarding the thread activity. This attitude comes across as either scummy or townie being completely uninterested in the game, and neither of the two were any good.For Endy to read.
What he actually meant was that he only had a single vote and therefore could only vote one of the 3rd-on-wagon hoppers. And this is why words are useful and misreps happen if you don't explain things properly.
I'd still like it better if you didn't go all Meira here and post properly if your posts become too hard to read and people ask you to.
How do you even get that from this post? I'm completely serious. I feel like you're just pulling stuff out of thin air here.
Bomboi thought that Baron was posting his doublevoting quote for something related to Eyes' jokevote, hence his convulted reasoning, and hence Baron's "this is now serious" vote. Bomboi has since explained this, and Baron has moved onto greener pastures anyhow....I actually think you're the one misunderstanding something here. I saw Bombayboy's vote on Baron as a vote for "not being serious" when things were starting to get real; no idea what you're talking about.
Offhand: Endymion is scummy for spinning his own version of events and making up things to justify a vote. I accept that I was partially obtuse due to eagerness to roleplay (funziest part of AnonyMafia, sez Baron Vladmu, who very sexy♥ vampire naked bat), but it's unacceptable that he insists on his version of events after I plainly and clearly stated that I said Bobomoi was putting in too much effort and trying too hard.Boy if you want to dance this dance I can do this all day. Show me where I misrepped you. What version of events am I pushing that's so wrong? You were deliberately obtuse (and this you admit), Boboy voted you over something he misunderstood, you voted him for trying too hard (sorry, you weren't piggybacking; it was actually much worse), he moved on, and now you're voting me because I misunderstood you because you were allergic to proper English. Do I have that right?
...I actually think you're the one misunderstanding something here. I saw Bombayboy's vote on Baron as a vote for "not being serious" when things were starting to get real; no idea what you're talking about.
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Anyway I have to go do stuff for a bit; be back later.
Cut-uh, isn't that saying that he was voting him for ignoring stuff in the thread? I don't get how Bombayboy's justification for his own vote has to do with Baron trying to take advantage of the confusion his posting is causing.
What he actually meant was that he only had a single vote and therefore could only vote one of the 3rd-on-wagon hoppers. And this is why words are useful and misreps happen if you don't explain things properly.Read it harder, Endy. Think back. Baron's "get out of RVS" vote was because Bomboi was the third vote on the wagon. Milfall asked him why he only voted Bomboi. Baron (quoted) that he only had one vote.
Cuckoo is suspicious because vote on Bobomoi is bogus and splitting hairs over who is laziest, and voting an easy target now.I'm pretty sure Pope is switching votes to be on the same wagon as me (and therefore put more pressure on Eyes. He's stated he thinks Selena and Eyes are both scummy.
Wait.
Eyes. Sudden jump off of Selena. Selena no longer scum?
cut: Yeah, but because they're likely not scum together and we're both voting "both of them", it'd be beneficial for both of us to pressure one of them instead of both separately.
Read it harder, Endy. Think back. Baron's "get out of RVS" vote was because Bomboi was the third vote on the wagon. Milfall asked him why he only voted Bomboi. Baron (quoted) that he only had one vote.Look, I'm on board with all this at this point. The fact of the matter is that now that that's clear the Baron's gone all oh his mismismisrepping events when I don't know how I was supposed to understand all that nonsense on first readthrough. I STILL think Baron is whooosh with his Endy is twisting events :moonbeams: but whatever if NO ONE ELSE sees it god I don't know what to do. Here, let's put that behind us and get to other meat because at this point you're all just cartwheeling into the fire. Baron, you say Selena is an easy vote, but what do you actually think of Selena? You talk of splitting hairs but then you say stuff like this:
Bomboi misinterpreted the quote as [something] related to Eye's fake jokevote, and added it as a convoluted and incorrect reason to vote Baron. Baron noted this (along with a couple other people) and used it as a reason to keep his vote on Bomboi. Bomboi explains he misread. Baron unvoted.
Eyes. Sudden jump off of Selena. Selena no longer scum?which is whooosh because they both have minimal amounts of content and you never bother to make a distinction between them either.
##Unvote
...um...
El Bobomoi's reason for voting was 'no effort to actually follow what's happening, which is either scum or terrible town apathy'. That reason disappears once Baron Vladmu starts posting content. Therefore El Bobomoi's vote was a park.Meaning you can't vote someone to press him into doing something? Especially in RVS? Weird definition of a park you got there.
Somehow cut by Joker voting twice for the same reason (?)Forgot to unvote the first time, hence the second post.
choker boy here picks two targets for like reasons and chooses one without saying why.I wasn't sure if I understood Baron's reason, but I did understand the one Pleiades gave. And in the latter case, I thought it was a bad reason for a vote, hence my vote on the latter player.
The Eyes seeeeee squirminess in you.Where am I squirming, specifically?
Third on wagon is scum. Bobomoi did it first. No other reason; only have one vote.
Asking "why not vote me?" stupid; should only vote you if you are scum./headdesk
The vote you call strange has more reason than yoursMore =/= better
Yeah, I still don't like Milfall's appearance as it is right now. It seems like kind of a less-than-serious-minded vote despite our efforts of climbing out of the RVS pit of despair, instead making us drop straight down. Acting like there's still nothing going on also relates to this.##Unvote
cut: Yeah, but because they're likely not scum together and we're both voting "both of them", it'd be beneficial for both of us to pressure one of them instead of both separately.Oh my god.
Hmm... there sure were a lot of posts.urp, dislike. With all due respect to the lord, I must say his choice to ignore two actual suspicions in favor of a votepark of all things is, um, very questionable. Ms. Pleides' absence isn't going to magically change her win condition. His vote on Master do Maron consisting of two questions with obvious answers was pretty blatant "I'M HELPING" filler, too.
##Unvote, Vote: Septatron Pleides
I think that her attempt to present El Bobomoi's vote as a park was convoluted but you don't exist right now so
##Unvote, Vote: Pope Cuckoobeater
Something about the switch to Eyes of 13 Sages rubs me the wrong way but I think that this is unsubstantiated paranoia on my part.
##Unvote, Vote: Eyes of 13 Sages
Please give reasoning for your vote on Choker Joker.
Since we're on the same boat regarding reasons for voting A over B, I'll just be moving my vote now~...Oh my, sir, you are bending like an, um, really bendy thing. Townies have these little things called priorities, and if you're going to scumhunt on the Choker Joker wagon, you should have an opinion on which player is more likely to flip scum. ...mm... ...dropping a reasonable ED1 case on Ms. Bobomoi to switch between very weak votes with no justification is the worst thing so far. Given the switch to the sages, it's probably coming from scum looking for potential wagons.
##Unvote
##Vote Eyes
Baron Vladmu acting like he has a post restriction would be Scummy. I don't believe KilgaMayan would give a role a PR without a very good reason. That makes Nuko Do Maron's vote look better justified. That said, El Bobomoi's vote looks easily retractable once Baron Vladmu explains himself.So El Bobomoi is scum because he is able to unvote Baron? How did this not apply to nuko and selena?
##Vote El Bobomoi
Alright.
- Alice's content is good and I lean kind of town on herbecause she's being adorable, but there's too little of it to actually make it anywhere near a decent read so I want to see her post more. I just want to see Quiche do something or die, and have 13 Eyes and Milfall posting. With 13 Eyes answering the question I made ages ago.
- Like I mentioned I'm leaning slightly scum on Milfall due to GUT reasons I could kind of explain but would sound silly as hell, the same applies to Aaaa, whatever his first name was I can't remember with such an awesome last name. Likely just paranoia.
- Used to read town on Giant Cat, but I could see either townie exhasperation or scum framing from the Endymion/Baron issue so it's back to a null.
- I wish Jester stopped making quote walls and post something that made his stances on people aside from those he facepalms at a little more clear.
- I didn't like the very scarce amount of content in Dechronos' last post, and sheeping Alice for being cute has worsened that. I'm pretty sure you could comment on all players other than Quiche, Eyes, Milfall and Pleiades by now, and that makes 8 players not counting yourself, so please deliver something more.
- Endymion is very slightly leaning town because meta and emotional investment in the game.
- Baron... uh... no idea really. There's nothing by him other than the conflict with myself and the conflict with Endymion, and I don't really get anything from either. Null.
You're not helping your case, Quiche. Last time somebody was smug for producing scarce content and barely avoiding prods, they were scum, and I'm only more likely to believe in your flipping scum due to recency bias. Post your reads.
Curiouser is the telling me that I should give opinions on other people when it looks like he #FoS'd half the inactive posters in the game without really distinguishing between them. It's a convenient way to setup a jump to any of the lurker wagons should they pick up at deadlineThey were people I was currently bothered by, I don't intend to jump on any lurkers, that would be bad play, as I said far back on Day 1
As for my lack of opinions... um, it'd be rather unnecessary if I kept talking about my null reads and town reads when they're not in danger
Scum should be fully aware of who the generalized town reads are with or without town outright telling them due to town's voting patterns and the way the game develops.Well, I understand and agree with this, but I, um, just don't feel like talking about what's not necessary, so that's not my reason for not sharing my null reads and town reads. It would be irritatingly noisy of me to speak of them unprompted, I think...
On the other hand, a mass speaking out of town reads forces scum to do the same, which should limit their wagon-jumping scope and thus make it harder for them to get a mislynch without fabricated justification, as well as forcing them to expose numerous reads which could help find scummy disconnects between them in ISOs, which benefits town.Oh, well... I don't have any town reads other than Master Endymion. Also, the reads of townies are ever-changing, so it makes them subject to gotcha games from scum just as much as it makes scum subject to proper scumhunting.
Not to mention that that's some pretty nasty overreacting over a single vote on your pumpkinhead.Is this addressed to me in some way? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
How is Dechronos' latest prodvote not as much of a votepark as 13 Eyes'? Is it not worse considering that 13 Eyes' vote was barely at the transition out of RVS and Dechronos' being right now when there's stuff going on?
This might just be another derp of mine, but Eyes, could you clarify what the WIFOM is in Joker's post?Don't be silly. Joker is not part of the townies wifoming if he is scum.
Don't be silly. Joker is not part of the townies wifoming if he is scum.I think the main question was about who was WIFOMing, and if you're going to give a reason for your early post-RVS vote
Sadly I have not had alot of time to impart my saaaaaagely wisdom during these days because of work work. At least I have the night phase free so I can take a good reread. And possibly break rules like a rebel. I'm somewhere on Page 4 and apparently I'm suposed to be feeling pressure from someone. If interested parties can give a point form of questions you want answers to I can give them now.
Not to mention that that's some pretty nasty overreacting over a single vote on your pumpkinhead.because its a prod vote?
How is Dechronos' latest prodvote not as much of a votepark as 13 Eyes'? Is it not worse considering that 13 Eyes' vote was barely at the transition out of RVS and Dechronos' being right now when there's stuff going on?
Hard to search for scum when some players have a total of one or two posts outside the RVS phase. It should be pretty self evident if you read my reads post that all current potential scum in my book got lost on the road to nowhere and need to find their way back to posting in Mafia.and you can determine im scum based on one post and not everyone else?
I find it annoying that you tell me to scumhunt so when you're barely making any effort to do it yourself, as if excusing yourself for not doing it just because I happen to be stuck in a limbo waiting for content to continue scumhunting.
So El Bobomoi is scum because he is able to unvote Baron? How did this not apply to nuko and selena?Seriously what the hell does this even mean. "This time gives awful reasoning" is this addressed to me or Selena and what's your problem with the reasoning? I'd add more points against you from your other posts but there's nothing here to add. Your argument is that an absent person who posted once is scum because they're scum. I suggest you update your reads with some more whys. Or get lynched. That would work too.
Unimpressed with Eyes of 13 Sages vote, its an obvious vote park and its scummy. Same goes with Selena, but this time gives awful reasoning as to why choker is scum.
Don't be silly. Joker is not part of the townies wifoming if he is scum.
I think a better question is why in the middle of all this discussion my semi-RVS vote when I haven't made a second post is worth talking about. It's like ignoring the gourmet dinner of knowledge in front of you to dig in the garbage bin of barely worth posting about. I sense a bunch of people are too lazy to read through the arguments and are attaching their tongues to what looks like a sexy easy target.
Cut by twitterposting. Can I get retweets and favorites yet?
=.= Look you cheeky little Lord PumpkinqueerFixed.
Fixed.My refusal to read anything that was immediately proven false by me having read the post I claimed not to read. You're continuing to sidestep answering my questions and giving any motivation for your own actions and now you're invoking Why Me. Talking to you is causing my offscreen eyes to go blind. You will think about what you're doing and you will not get to coast on being an amusing child.
Where have been your reads or opinions on anyone else? Oh right none because your refusal to read anything as you said yourself. You have not posted anymore content then i have, where are your reads on anyone? You havent even posted on a why on joker yet besides saying "squirminess" and "wriggling".
Reading Choker didn't take long. He's made one other post, in which he votesthe walking lynch me bombThe Pope good god you are impossible to tell apart. That's that other pumpkin that thinks it's a good idea to hop onto me for no reason. The cuckoolander fits. I think it's an easy vote. I'm still cool with where I am. You underestimate how far I will go to lynch someone who does not seem like they fit in during the happy flail times in the beginning.
I would love to destroy the Lord Pumpkinqueer in order to improve quality of life. As is.. I don't think I'll be back before deadline, so I'll go for an Aaaa. I would rather lynch someone I can't remember after reading then someone who sticks in the mind like sandpaper.
Now join me in the quest for actual scum or else! (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/1015788/cane-crossover-drawfag-english-excalibur_-soul_eat) (Danbooru warning)
Anyway, the pillow has spoken and an epiphany came while I was falling asleep. Perhaps 13 Eyes' stuff since doesn't match up with the theory 100%, but I'll comment on it anyway since behavioural disconnects are pretty bad no matter where he placed his vote in the end.
Bunny, do you have nothing to say regarding what Alice mentioned about your Pleiades FoS?I'll assume that by "Bunny" you are referring to me instead of that whore.
#105 -> Expresses dislike for Pleiades, but disregards voting her because she doesn't exist, to then move onto prodvoting 13 Eyes, who wasn't existing either. Bravo! This is either: a) horrible derp, b) scum vote fabrication disconnect or c) Dechronos!Pleiades scumteam slip, in the event that Dechronos knew Pleiades was going to continue not to exist for a while. C is of course convoluted paranoia so I'm going with B here.Except for the fact that they're doing different things. Eyes of 13 Sages had put down a serious vote with no reasoning whatsoever.
#148 -> Attempt to justify prodvote with... more prod because Eyes hadn't put a vote out yet.What are you talking about? Eyes of 13 Sages had a serious vote at the time, one that it is holding onto as we speak for no reason.
And I'm baffled by your thought that she earned town cred from her contribution seeing that we're all awaiting more content by her in order to develop an opinon past her ED1 vote and nobody at all is giving her a town read. This isn't Maka Albarn we're talking about here.I stated "attempted" for a reason.
Nothing to comment on the Baron/Endymion/Nuko jazz?Not in particular.
nothing to comment on Quiche?Whilst he fails to contribute anything of value, I believe its lynch to be a complete crapshoot if it is who I think it is, and more importantly I believe that Eyes of 13 Sages is far more likely to be scum.
Doesn't Milfall look like she's coasting on two kinda decent looking posts a lot more effectively than Pleiades who is inevitably drawing attention due to being almost in prod zone?I will look further into this.
What are you talking about? Eyes of 13 Sages had a serious vote at the time, one that it is holding onto as we speak for no reason.This is actually incorrect. Eyes of 13 Sages has shifted its vote from Choker Joker to Pyoa Aaaa. This does not change the fact that it still has yet to explain the vote that it had been holding onto for the majority of the day.
Alarm(s) set, hope to have it actually wake me up (I'm sometimes prone to sleeping through it)
Will be back near deadline. I'd be willing to to lynch Eyes, Dechronos, or Quiche at this point for reasons otherwise stated earlier.
My questions for Lord Dechronos are above
@Lord Dechronos #148 You still have the same suspects as your earlier vote post and that's not the big issue for my post. But that you call your vote a prod and later still want Eyes of 13 Sages to respond, is Eyes of 13 Sages scum to you yet? If not, then who is scum that you're willing to lynch?I do believe that this is the only question directed towards myself. I shall state that I found Eyes of 13 Sages to be scummy from the moment that I placed my vote upon it. I still find it to be very scummy.
I will look further into this.I do believe that you have a point, El Bobomoi. However this does not change the fact that I find Septatron Pleises' claims of voteparking to be unsubstantiated.
I'll start from where I Last posted.
El Bobomoi's vote on me is the convoluted one. His defence by saying that the suspicion on Baron Vladmu won't disappear so easily is undermined by how he threw it away for a much weaker vote. He admits it himself further down the line that it's plainly OMGUS. The reason given is based on the Assumption that I have a meta of lurking, which is irrelevant to what's happened in the game thus far.
@El Bobomoi #100 Again with the jumpy votes. If you agree that Eyes of 13 Sages made a terrible vote, who are you agreeing with and why does what you're agreeing with make the person scum? From your posts you aren't telling me that you're voting someone that you, to a large enough extent, think is scum. Your positions are open ended enough that if we have a day end scramble you'll be voting for the sake of a lynch, not voting to lynch a scum suspect.
@El Bobomoi #124 Your recent activity has simply been to jump onto whoever the new suspect is. Why must anyone have to give you content if you should create it yourself. Making people react and reading their reactions is scumhunting. Sitting back until something happens is not how town finds scum. Giving out a list of town reads is bad for several reasons. People that a lot of the players call town will no longer feel threatened. A player that is not under threat becomes complacent. And This sets off the cycle of apathy. When you look for scum in the people that aren't in your town list you have made a set of related assumptions. If the first set, your town list, is wrong, then your second set, the scum list, will also be wrong. A pick of independent scum suspects does not rely on guesses from unproven information.
@El Bobomoi #161 Firstly it's too late in the day to have an empty unvote. Secondly, you're still not scumhunting by your wait for content approach. The main wagons according to the votes at the time of your post were Lord Dechronos, Eyes of 13 Sages, Pope Cuckoobeater and Pyoa Aaaa. Deciding not to vote your (seemingly) strongest suspect, Eyes of 13 Sages, based on meta is pathetic. I find your lack of willingness to vote and state your commitment scummy. As I said earlier, this is leaving you a lot of space to join any wagon at the end of the day.
@El Bobomoi #165 Your vote choice does not convince me that you think Lord Dechronos is scum.
You want to lynch me because im smug?
I do suppose my vote on you may have been influenced by my annoyance with your posts, I suppose that is not the most valid reasons. To be honest I was also looking or a reason to get off the rather aging posts they had.
All of those FoS were on posts that were only just past RVS, there wasn't much information to go by, as compared to now, when there's three pages and plenty of people to get decent reads on.
Anyway, I think Lord Pumkin is currently digging himself in a hole right now. I'm tempted to vote him. Hoewever, I'd like to ##unvote and ##Vote: Lord Dechronos. His post at post-RVS was a pretty poor one, and used questions as a case, and just felt fake and not-try-y. Now his new sole post just has him jumping on the same old aged wagons that are pretty negligible at this point, aside from possibly Pleiades, and it doesn't make him look any better.
Eyes needs a better reason for voting Pyoa then "he's not memorable", considering he just had a giant argument with Pumpkinquiche. Not really sure what to think of either of them, although Quiche's indignant attitude rubs me the wrong way.Fair enough reason for voting me, although quite strange, but it reinforces my view that you're just standing by waiting for questionable posts to jump on. If you admit that the posts your #Fos'd were just out of RVS and pretty worthless, why FoS practically all of them without trying to distinguish between them? You know they can't all be scum. I know making questionable votes is how you get out of RVS, but it reminds me too much of all the times I saw scum throw dirt on townies slipping up in RVS (or was on the receiving end of), and it makes me queasy. I don't like it.
Town lean: Baron, Alice
Slight Town Lean: Bomboi, Pope
Neutral/hard to read: Endy, Milfall, Pyoa
Slight Scum Lean/POST MORE: Eyes, PumpkinQuiche, Chokerjoker, Septenitron
Scum Lean: Dechronos
This does not change the fact that it still has yet to explain the vote that it had been holding onto for the majority of the day.This is a fairly hypocritical point when you left your vote on the Cat for half the day and still haven't responded to (I think) other people's queries on such.
I also don't like how you describe Quiche's attitude as rubbing you the wrong way; again, it sets up an easy jump for you at deadline, especially since you listed him as having a slight scum lean.Scratch the latter point since I realized there is no Quiche wagon, but my point is that it feels like a very malleable opinion when there's more than just the attitude. Voting because you don't like someone's attitude is absurdly easy and isn't related to scumhunting. Since you did the same to me though, I'm not sure how much of this is just your player personality. Like I said, I'll sleep on it.
yes?No
their night talkTheir?
Additional question for Nuko: It might seem completely unrelated, but what is your stance on the town reads thing that I commented?I have no idea what this actually means, you'll have to rephrase it somehow.
Given the development of the game, I've been feeling less confident in the scummyness on both current wagons
Nuko:Hmm, I guess I didn't catch the latter bit, oh well. I suppose I'd be willing to switch wagons if it came down to it, I don't really feel like any particular wagon is worth being on more then the other at the moment, or maybe I'm just waffly and bad at this game, I dunno.
Mostly the exchange on #124-#126 here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg828765.html#msg828765)
Pleiades also comments on it in his post.
Also Pleiades' other scum suspects happen to be both main wagons, I guess it doesn't count as leaving oneself open for lynches if she does it. Check the last two paragraphs in her post.
The Eyes of Funk sagely declare that they are already naked, baring their eyes unabashedly to join him in streaking times.You just want to oogle every inch of his sexy♥♥ with your 13 angles of view.
To clarify this, when I noticed this contradiction last night, I had expected him to place his vote on Mr Quiche by the time I woke up, but he finally noticed that this would be voting for an easy target... and preferred to set his vote on somebody who wasn't there to argue with him (see his earlier posts and his jazz with Quiche making this hypocritical) instead, which isn't much better at all and makes me dislike him regardless.I'm not avoiding voting Quiche because he's an easy target. I'm not voting him because I'm not sure he's scum. People are very bad at changing their minds lately and somehow I've become a locked in scumread in the Eyes of the people. As for Pyoa, at the time of my vote their only post was one serious semi-catchup post where they confused half of the cast for each other, making their opinions impossible to figure out because they didn't go back and fix their paragraphs. It seems they've explained their situation is similar to mine and they just didn't have time to post anything. Which would explain why I couldn't remember them playing the game. Accusations of oogling will surely be met with eye lasers.
People are very bad at changing their minds lately and somehow I've become a locked in scumread in the Eyes of the people.
Seriously can we wagon Choker Joker please I still think he's the best lynch for the day.
I must note that Baron Vladmu amuses me so, oh how I would love for him to stay awhile with myself.Yeah, this line right here, which makes no sense in context and sounds like hinting at something.
The pumpkins are varying amounts of just plain silliness and I need to reread them more, so ??? right now, but everyone else I didn't mention looks fairly town.On this note, Alice is perfectly fine, but the three ones that are just pumpkins with hats and gloves, those are who I meant.
Well this IS Bunny Must Die after all.. I worry solely because of the post where he crumbed something about someone visiting him that night.I missed this, where did Dechronos crumb anything?
Lord Dechronos (3): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El BobomboiJust throwing this out there to say the day practically started the way it ended. Jerk rabbit.
Baron Vladmu (2): Nuko Do Maron, Selena Milfall, El BobomboiOh man the fact that this was a thing. I think the seperation of people into pro/anti Bobomboi and Septentrion camps was a scummy move. There's my buddy Choker lumped onto Sept like a boss. I can now explain what 'squirmy' meant to me. First of all I was blatantly ignoring the arguments about these two and looking for someone on their wagons that didn't sit right with me. I thought Endymion sounded alright at the time, though my mind is changing about that in comparison to other targets.
El Bobomboi (3): Lord Dechronos, Endymion, Baron Vladmu, Septentrion Pleiades
Septentrion Pleiades (3): Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, El Bobomboi
No vote cast: ME!
I didn't really like Selena's either, but I don't hate it so. I also just figured out why she would ask why Baron didn't vote me or her (3rd 4th on the Quiche)
Knowing who a player is doesn't stop them from being scummy. I imagine the people you're thinking of sound just as scummy when they're scum. Give me a reason beyond knowing who's who to not lynch the Joker.
Pope, I know we've had our things and you dislike my acting like the towniest of them all, I guess I just let myself smug up when people seemed to start reading me as town after the initial conflict I generated and I apologize for that. Would you be willing to build your case on Eyes further than the votepark thing now that he's said a lot more stuff? If not for anything else, it'd help get him lynched if you really still want him lynched.I actually don't remember this, but anyway, no, I don't want him lynched anymore.
I actually don't remember this, but anyway, no, I don't want him lynched anymore.
I think you're right about the forcing lower caps. :V I don't see why it matters, wanting to disguise your identity could just be a fun game. I didn't think Alice or Vladmu were scummy for their u-umu sexy styles.The issue that my head has been having with it is precisely that it's not anywhere near RP and just purposefully disguising. I guess it just irks me because it makes her harder to read, whatever.
Sure, Pyoa Aaaa end of day post yesterday on Dechronos was a reasonable conclusion to all that had happened, but the fact that he selected Dechronos over Eyes earlier in the day for no especial reason still feels bad in hindsight.
##Vote: Pyoa Aaaa
The Dechronos wagon picked up after El Bobomoi's vote putting him ahead of Eyes of 13 Sages. I would say that was the cue for scum to pile on.Why? Why would scum care which wagon they pile on? I don't see a vote this way buster so I don't believe your nonsense. Your logic seems centered around me being scum and Dechronos being my counterwagon. Why aren't you trying to lynch your lynch-pin?
And now that I realized that mixup, Eyes is bad too because voting Choker Joker for ???. ...not really sure how I'd prioritize them.
Pyoa Aaaa parroting Halloween Alice for a reason to stay on Lord Dechronos is horribly scummy. You don't say anything about what you're agreeing with. The linked post is outdated. Halloween Alice wasn't voting Lord Dechronos or even calling him scum in that post.Beep beep, I totally made a paragraph on my opinion of him! It's not like I sheeped Alice and then went on to do my merry business. I'll even quote it for you right here.
Okay, DeChronos has pretty much been sitting on Eyes' and Pleiades' first posts with lackluster stuff for the whole day. That's... about all he's done, really. It's true that they didn't look good because they didn't do anything else for a long time (He's disappeared before they really started to, although Eyes' had done some after and DeChronos basically handwaved it soooooo.) but it really just feels like he found his easy targets and coasted by on it with minimal attention to other things.
I went for DeChronos because no one else had yet and since it was the one I had made before anyone else.
easy targets means they have done something scummy and should be lynched for. why is this a problem?
Another interesting thing is Joker was being ignored and stuff day one, accepted by some as a fringe candidate but never really seriously pursued (e.g Nuko, Eyes, Bomboiboi, Septenrion) under the pretext that LAL on D1 is bad. Dechronos posted the wrong thing at the wrong time and so everyone shifted onto him happily, town and perhaps scum alike.
El Bobomoi's on and off makes him look better in terms of not securing a mislynch.They're really, really vague, and look like they're talking about me in a way that could leave her open to a lynch on me due to past issues without commenting at all on the replies I gave her on them. I was willing to pass this off as hipster town not wanting to admit they were wrong, but skimming through the recent posts I find this:
If they truly were, you wouldn't have gotten yourself into a position where you have to make a bad vote to save yourself. I'm voting Pyoa Aaaa over you, Choker Joker and even El Bobomoi because Pyoa Aaaa did a very scummy play....Which pretty much confirms my first impression.
Pyoa's latest post is null. Knowing who he is doesn't help much. :I
The Dechronos wagon picked up after El Bobomoi's vote putting him ahead of Eyes of 13 Sages. I would say that was the cue for scum to pile on. El Bobomoi's on and off makes him look better in terms of not securing a mislynch. I don't think Endymion's vote on Lord Dechronos is that well justified. Nuko do Maron's lynch clearly wasn't going to happen, so the choice was perhaps between Lord Dechronos and Eyes of 13 Sages. How does Eyes of 13 Sages proving the night talk ability make the player any less scummy? The way you applied process of elimination is weak and I don't buy that you really thought Lord Dechronos would flip scum. Eyes of 13 Sages also made a poor vote hop. At the time it was 5 Lord Dechronos and 4 Eyes of 13 Sages. If Eyes of 13 Sages was town, I think making solid posts would be a better way to ensure the wagon didn't swing over instead of making what amounts to a not-me-over-me vote. As scum there's every reason for Eyes of 13 Sages to get the vote on the opposing wagon for steamrolling.I really don't like it when people narrow down wagons like this in the name of ~*wagon analysis*~ and push it like it's the godspoken truth. In any case I think people keep forgetting that we had a 48 hour day one. At the time I voted Nuko do Maron, there was still plenty of time 'till lynch and by the time I came back I didn't have time to push it anymore. The night talk making Eyes less scummy is because of ~*mod meta*~ and because if they were town it would mean they'd be able to provide mucho future content. I didn't really have a scum read on them in any case.
Disliking lynches on Quiche and Joker maims chances of hitting scum badly if they happen to be scum, but there should be at least one more scum left to hunt even if they're both scum so I'd rather focus on doing that than aiming for horribly uncertain flips based on unhelpful playerstyles....That's an awful way of saying that "we can't read these players, therefore we shouldn't try to." Stuff like this is why I dislike this type of meta reasoning. I do use meta to adjust my reads for player skill etc., but meta is abusable (as shown in many examples) and, if you say, the players always look scummy, then they also look scummy as scum! Believe me; I've been burned before by pushing "this guy is always scummy, thus he's probably town this time." I don't buy people calling Choker Joker an ~*easy lynch*~ because it seems that everyone can agree his content is bad but few people are willing to vote him. That aside, can you with a straight face look at Choker Joker's posts and say that he's putting an honest effort into scumhunting? Never mind that I'm not even sure that playerslot is who you people are putting it down as. I'm actually wondering whether or not he might be getting replaced though so. >_> Would still throw this slot off the island any day as long as it continues to not provide content.
I've read up on the two wagons (and pretty much only them). Dechronos doesn't look like scum. Sages is somewhat scummy.I expect to see a justification for this today given I'm wondering how you reached these conclusions.
I would like his opinion on my exchange with the Baron et al since he said he would be reading that and didn't mention it afterwards.
I never bothered to voice my dislike for Choker Joker (since he only made one notable post) but I suppose I'd be willing to switch over onto him.
Although Dechronos still feels like a good lynch too, I kind of like where my vote is at at the moment, lots of Dechrono's posts have felt like "I'M PLAYING!" then actual scumhunting.
And yes it does help, look at their activity in the last game they were scum and in the last game they were town. If this is who I think it is, they are terribly close to their scum meta, and specially the wait-and-see attitude is horribly not their town self.I guess I don't know their meta that well, then...? It still looked pretty null to me, since all it is is a list of "this is how I feel about PLAYER". (emphasis on the rather vague 'feel' aspect)
Also, about your view on Milfall's priorities. Have I not done the same with her in my very last post? I also did pretty much the same with Dechronos yesterday. You dislike Joker's lynch and he's the easy target for sure, but it feels like you're just #FoS'ing Milfall because you disagree with her vote.There's a reason I prefer Pleiades over this guy. I have a list of things I dislike about him but none of them point to definite scum. I will say, though, that my impression was that he unvoted because Pyoa showed up, rather than anything else. But yeah, this does make some sense, so I'll keep a close eye on Milfall now.
If you closely follow Milfall's train of thought on the weirdness of Pyoa's Dechronos over Eyes vote, it makes sense that she'd defend her case against my misrep and only begin to question her own case upon hearing Pyoa's reply to it by saying he held onto the Dechronos vote because anything else that was scummy about anybody else had already been pointed out and jumping on their cases by parroting would be bad. Honestly I don't think scum would unvote emptily like that without giving much reason as to why when they're being focused, it'd take guts.
So yeah, even though I don't like where her vote is placed, I'm somehow leaning Milfall!Town now. The above is kind of a chainsaw but I can't really find another way to explain why the sudden read switch other than the RVS-fence breaking which isn't that great and was really just a catalyst to my gut suddenly jerking in the opposite direction. If I'm wrong about the scum-not-usually-helping-town-out-of-RVS and there's meta on some players being that pro-town as scum that could be Milfall in disguise then feel free to call me out on it.
And it seems I misread Pope's line on Quiche as being the exact opposite. I kind of disagree with that as well, other than ED1 which I'd sort of understand lazy people wanting to lurk through because :effort: to overthrow RVS, he's been actively around asking questions and being himself even if he hasn't really produced a case. What does irk me is the empty promises for content since his usual fuck-the-police attitude wouldn't care about seeming townie as long as he were town and I really want him to get something of value out if he doesn't want me not minding his lynch if the other wagon looks terrible to me (A.K.A Joker, which is a very likely wagon outcome for the day. In other words, do something you pumpkinqueer I even seem to be liking the hyperlurker better than you).Yes, the reason I'm not sure about this guy is because he hasn't made any noticable contributions - he usually makes cases here and there when he's town. All he's been doing so far is madman twitterposting.
For that matter, why Pyoa Aaaa over Joker given your last paragraph?Oops, missed your most recent post. -.- ...I don't really get what you mean re: your point on Eyes though. What kind of last minute contributions are you looking for seriously. I mean it was decent enough that I didn't want to vote them so. >_>
His case on Lord Dechronos JUST that prod vote he did early which isnt even a very good one.fixed
@Baron Vladmu #276 I don't feel my point on Choker Joker was stronger than Pyoa Aaaa's clearly scummy play. Even if it's such a good case, maybe I've caught 2 scum. If you read my post carefully, I mentioned what someone who was town should have done in the position of Eyes of 13 Sages. The votes were split 5-4 at the time of the hop. All the people who were willing to vote Eyes of 13 Sages were already voting. Eyes of 13 Sages had the opportunity to dissuade more people from voting them, Lord Dechronos was already gone and did not have that chance. I also said the vote amounted to a not-me-over-me vote, not that it was necessarily done in such a spirit. Refer to #200 again, Eyes of 13 Sages stated willingness to die if Lord Dechronos had a good enough claim to make. What town-motivated purpose is there to offer yourself as the lynch while acting to ensure that you aren't?
Okay let's see here who else is in the game. Oh yeah, the pumpkins. Well, Quiche is pretty ???. I'm fairly sure most people have realized who he is by now and he acts like this every game (Town or scum), so I'm pretty much leaving him for later when we have more flips to make connections with (And because eventually he should be able to start actually doing something more productive to be able to judge him with, unless maybe if he's scum I guess?).
As for Cuckoobeater and Joker. Joker is... holy crap lurky. His content is almost nonexistent. In his first two posts it's pretty much limited to giving a short comment on a quote and then voting the person, (His second has a wall of responses to quotes but there's not much actual content in there) and at day end he's just "DeChronos isn't scum, Eyes is slightly scummy ##Vote Eyes". He may as well not exist.
Quiche, use some search function using "quiche" and "pumpkin" to find questions aimed at you, and please tell me you're not seriously thinking of playing the whole game from your phone...:smug:
Milfall, I mentioned Choker. In the same post. I said I thought he was angry>scummy or something along those lines.
Why does a bunch of people disregarding him (by the way, I disagree with you on that one) make him scum?
You've told us what Lord Dechronos has been doing. Anyone who read his posts can figure out the same and express it to themselves in a language they can understand. Why were the things he did scummy? Why are the things he said scummy?Not-so-long story shorter, he latched onto what Eyes did barely out of rvs and handwaved all the rest of their content to hold onto his vote. Once the wagon on him began to grow, he just vanished forever.There isn't much to say considering that A.He wasn't around for most of the short D1 and secondly, that I already explained what I didn't like about him so I'm not sure what else to say, so hopefully this is sufficient.
Not sure if scum or natural vote attraction. :C <-- The face of someone who wants to get lynched.But but but
Well and then there's Pleiades but his walls make me want to go :effort: and handwave him as scumas town*
I mentioned what someone who was town should have done in the position of Eyes of 13 Sages.
What town-motivated purpose is there to offer yourself as the lynch while acting to ensure that you aren't?
The second point is dumb because what the hell sense would it make for scum to offer themselves as a lynch if the town wagon happened to be an important power role?This vital piece of reasoning is excluded. I am not happy with the reasons you are providing here.
So yeah, choosing not to reply something as simple as that and disappearing without notice again and with a vote parked on her looks pretty bad when you take a second to look at things from Scum!Baron perspective.
#94: While I considered this a town read for helpfulness, he didn't really have much of an option, and he never really replied to Endy's call in #97 but disappeared instead. Which is weird when his next post does actually mention disappearing.
I had a bad feeling about the RP style and, indeed, #201 is a terribad fluffpost where he basically just leaves himself open for the two main wagons and a possible third that might've started due to how much Quiche had annoyed everybody without giving much reason to any of them. Note how he already mentioned in #146 that Quiche was "town dumb" and not "unsexy scum" that would deserve his vote.
Plus it'd be a much more critical time to vote for the Dechronos mislynch wagon considering an Eyes scum wagon given that Eyes had 4 votes on him at the time while Dechronos only had 3
Nevermind that the reason he gave is shit, how do you read his post as not being serious?
I should answer it before day ends thoughAlso still waiting on this Dechronos case you promised yesterday. Sure it's outdated now but since you felt strongly about it it shouldn't be too hard to write up, yes?
Sure, Pyoa Aaaa end of day post yesterday on Dechronos was a reasonable conclusion to all that had happened, but the fact that he selected Dechronos over Eyes earlier in the day for no especial reason still feels bad in hindsight.
*prods Lord Pumpkinqueer*
Weak ass reason meant to be easily discarded as soon as that next post!What the fuck. Knowing my predecessors town alignment can dispel this because for one, if it's a weak ass RVS/EDay1 reason why wouldn't unvote? Then you penalize past me if I had done either.
There's no reason for him to unvote (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg828698.html#msg828698)in this post.
Definitely think something's going on here.It's hypocritically scummy.
also why is pyoa scum? im not kidding i didnt read some of those walls/me faceplants
And Bobomoi's 173 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg828903.html#msg828903) rebuttal. I get you're trying hard to find scum however pointing out your flaws as a way to make them go away doesn't mean they aren't still there.IE I get that you are tryhard town and all but
Justifying the apathy part as decent players should know better is bad however. I find this defense to be acceptable and she's still null from it.And 'You are null' in the same paragraph. Have you considered you were hit on your head with a bucket on the way in, or possibly picked up the wrong color role pm and need to be lynched? I will tell you what I think of your posts dedicated to me in about an hour because I will need time to properly dedicate in return to how very, very wrong you are.
Fuck yeahAlright. Nintendo, we're gonna do this
Eye's 200 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg829011.html#msg829011) seems more like a not me over me vote and thus the point against Dechronos comes off as lackluster.Not only was it a note me over me vote I literally say in that post you quoted that If Dechronos's claim was good enough I would prefer to die over him. I had the same amount of doubt any person has over the alignment of someone that isn't confirmed to them has. So to your idea that I was implying voting the rabbit for being actual scum.
Since his 204 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg829021.html#msg829021) implies he actually is voting Dechronos for being scum I give him a meh feel about it since Lord's case on him wasn't very solid in the first place.
Eye's last second wagon to a lurker which would amount to no reads whatsofuckingever was cute at first but since he was so serious about it and pushing it like a mofo when all his consent given was that people wouldn't be opposed to poking off a lurker was bad. I find it bad it's almost like tunnelvision on one lurker.I'm pretty sure it would amount to reads on Eyes, El Bomba, and everyone else who either voted for or announce willingness to vote for you. Lynching for information is bad. I argue that Not lynching because Not information is equally bad. Lynch the people you think are scum.
From a personal stance that knows I am town it bothers me to lynch someone without a claim over one you talked about all day and got opinions from. Yeah.
His 180 would mean a lot more if he didn't earlier pull that shit on the Baron....
I am getting distracted from my urge to pound you in the face by nodding along with your thoughts about Endymion.I'm sincerely disappointed. How the fuck can you agree with what he's saying? What are you even talking about?
calling my case on Nuko du Maron OMGUS (soft defense?)You responded to the cat similarly to how you are responding to me now. You give us vitriol for daring to fos which is unneeded.
He IS acting strange. He WAS lurking D1. In fact, knowing who he is, he's usually a bit... you know... ~around~ during D1, and this is even an anon game.Okay. So this is why mister popeface is voting me. There's lots of legitimate reasons to vote me, but these aren't any of them. JOATs are not uncommon roles, but apart from that, you're using meta... that isn't true.
Besides, 1-shot-of-*bucketofroles* reeks of fakeclaim.
As an update, his claim is full of roles with effects that can't be verified. It makes no change to my opinion.Okay, let's see here. Did anyone target Bobomoi last night? No? There we go. Okay, that's not super verifiable I guess, but it's something ;_; Tracker and roleblocker are a little easier to verify as long as I hit someone with an actual power, although doc would require me managing to successfully doc which is pretty chancy.
Do you guys remember that time in an anon game that someone people wanted to lynch had their vote restricted and was obviously being oppressed by the scum and then we tried to lynch that person anyways because it could be a scum ploy or some shit...did people want to lynch Nuko seriously around the end of d1? More then maybe like one person at least. Well I need to reread Nuko's D1 to try and help convince people he's worse then me anyway, and if the last game taught me anything, it's that ANYONE can look like a total scumbag if you just look hard enough! (ALL MY TEARS ;_;) I do think he actually is likely to be a scumbag, but I thought Bob was townie mctown and Bob was scummy mcscum, and that just went lovely, so I'm going to crawl into my corne-oh wait rereads right.
I thought Bob was townie mctown and Bob was scummy mcscumPyoa confirmed for mixing everyone's names up forever
Funny how you mention Pope's meta use being wrong while making no mention of mine.You used it in a very different way from him. I agree that it'd be nice for Selena to show up because she's been pretty eh even if I can't decide whether I think she's scum or not. Currently rereading D1
Nuko isn't going to vote me over himself (Obviously)switch this, also add in the fact that there's less then an hour left and Selena probably won't show at this rate
Choker, why would Scum!Bobomoi lay out the reasons for Scum!Pyoa's lynch for town to sheep to? It'd be kind of silly to bus when the Maron wagon was promising enough, especially when Pyoa wasn't in as much danger to begin with (iirc).
No "lynch X, Y and Z who I think are scum"?I assure you, after my lynch I'm going to be haunting you all and eating waffles over your heads because I still have no idea what to make of most of you other then a handful of people being town, no matter how much I reread you people.
At least Scum!Nuko's PR strategy would be elaborate and shit.I have to admit, I giggled.
For someone who wants AAAA to die now you sure do want to switch off of him.
I honestly think this may be duel town if Pyoa doesn't flip scum.
I sort of headtilt at Pope Cuckoobeater completely agreeing with Pleaides vote, but he gives additional reasoning that makes it look not quite as bad, but I still think the whole El Bobomoi thing is sort of silly. Still, since it's ED1 (At least back then, now we're getting somewhere), I can forgive a bit.
Selena, on the other hand, has an equally questionable vote and -hasn't- improved.
Wait... wait. Fuck I mixed up Choker Joker and Selena in suspicion/Eye's vote too. What am I doing?
To put things straight, I don't like Selena Milfall, Dechronos, or Pleaides. And now that I realized that mixup, Eyes is bad too because voting Choker Joker for ???. ...not really sure how I'd prioritize them.
Selena's second post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg828702.html#msg828702)isn't horrible, but... it still seems sort of... bah. I'll worry about how to explain how I feel about miss Milfall later. (Oh god deadline and people considering switching to her, uh, I'm okay with moving to Milfall if people want that lynch, her or DeChronos are both fine, I wish I could figure out better how I feel but :time:, I suppose it's a combination of really low activity and the first post being pretty bleh.) (By the time I've finished this post it's way too late to try and switch onto someone anymore)This reminds me that I'm sad Pyoa didn't pick up on Day 1. Memo to self: Go back and look at who was upset about wanting to lynch 'random lurkers like Joker (and Pyoa)'. This post from Pyoa was well after we were discussing quicklynching Joker, which Pyoa doesn't feel the need to comment on, but he's totally okay with lynching Milfall. I'm not sure what this means. This is still 'Maybe I suspect Selena' territory.
Still don't like Selena, but I'll wait until that votepost she mentioned to see if it's pretty nice, since the main issue is just that she hasn't done much. Having a questionable RVS vote isn't The Worst Thing, and her other posts have only been Ehhh but not outright blegh. Fakeedit:Oh, Bobomoi, thanks for reminding me about Selena's thing there, I had forgotten to respond to it. ...and you're right :o Selena's reason to vote me is pretty silly when I look at it that way!Okay I'm starting to get something stuck in the back of my throat every time AAAAAAAA mentions Selena now. The 'main issue' that he had with her is something that he never clarified, never justified, never reasoned out and yet despite never being able to forget that Selena is scummy because REASONS he votes someone that he forgot exists. She also never seems a little town to him, he's always just staring waiting for her to get better. It's like someone told him if he voted them they would cut him into pieces. And then he died.
I'd lynch Joker, probably Selena, waiting on what the other people I've mentioned do before I get my opinions on them more straightened out.
Cut by Selena:It was pretty early in the game, I figured I'd get my priorities straightened out after people had posted (or not posted) a little more :c So far there was only little things to go on. I went for DeChronos because no one else had yet and since it was the one I had made before anyone else.
Well, looking back over Selena's posts again... her vote on my today really does seem weird, given that the only problem she has with me is that I voted DeChronos over Eyes, but I guess I'll see what she has to say about my explanation. And Joker hasn't even posted yet. TBH I'd rather wait until those posts, but since Joker doesn't even have any votes on him yet and I shouldn't leave my vote lying on the ground uselessly, I'll go ahead and
##Vote Joker
...does Selena Milfall have any scum targets other then Choker Joker right now? Well, she did say something about Quiche too, and is claiming that she'll switch her vote next time she posts, so I guess we'll find out soon enough.So basically this is Pyoa disliking Selena for targetting his mislynch target. :D Well maybe. I supose it could be the other way around. But the way Pyoa has been voting random popular hated townies..
Bawwwww so many rereads to do tomorrow. Although hopefully I'll have three targets by then. Oooh, Selena (and maybe even Jokerface) will have probably posted by then :D That'll help! Hooray~
The New Choker Joker seems good so far but he hasn't gotten around to D2 yet, well. He does seem p.cool and stuff so far though, yeah. And Milfall over there apparently has been doing some very naughty things with the Baron but I think I'm going to cough and PAY ATTENTION TO SOMETHING ELSE. Oh hey here's a distractionThat last part isn't about Selena but I just thought I'd leave it in that Selena is horrible but actually voting her would be unimaginable. The part about Septentrion (seriously why are people calling by last names when the first is so much clearer) is weird but etc. I'm going to go back to saying this is Pyoa trying really lamely to suspect Joker when he has probably never read him ever. Ever.
Selena reads weirdly to me but I can't really pinpoint it, and I've noticed that I almost always seem to read her player as scum when they're town so I don't know what to do with that anymore.
Nuko is about the closest thing to a scumread I have right now, and also because Not Me Over Me (Since especially after this latest ball of useless I imagine Pleiades wagon isn't going to advance as much as mine and perhaps even Nuko's will, and I may not be back in time to change my vote again, so)
three posts of whining that Selena should show upYup.
Of note, there's the thing about everyone jumping on me that you've brought up, and wait WHEN IS THE LAST TIME BARON EVEN POSTED I CAN'T RECALL THIS :S And then Selena is a thing.
Waiting for Selena would be nice since we've still got some time left (...a little at least), and from what she's said earlier, I think she would also appreciate the enabling but I can't be sure since the opinion's a bit outdated (Which she needs to update, but iunno if she'll be showing up whether we wait or not... blah)Actually this is bordering on 'Well she told me in the scum QT that she's lurking this out so she's probably not showing up'. Based entirely on just how Pyoa thinks Selena is scum for no reason but will never ever work up the courage to push her as scum I would lynch her.
:C^ LYNCHFAISE.
I sort of headtilt at Pope Cuckoobeater completely agreeing with Pleaides vote, but he gives additional reasoning that makes it look not quite as bad, but I still think the whole El Bobomoi thing is sort of silly. Still, since it's ED1 (At least back then, now we're getting somewhere), I can forgive a bit.If what I said about Pyoa's interactions with Selena seems suspicious to me, I have to look at this and be even more suspicious. Pyoa is trying to act like he's not being suspicious of Pope (but he is) yet he doesn't mention him under his suspicions list. I think this is a purposeful neglection.
You just want to oogle every inch of his sexy♥♥ with your 13 angles of view.I actually think the Baron looks town because of this. I don't think Pyoa would be as comfortable joining in on the fun if he knew Vladmu was a bad person inside. It seems more like playful buddying to me. (Well also buddying to me but I hate cute things.)
]Fakeedit:Oh, Bobomoi, thanks for reminding me about Selena's thing there, I had forgotten to respond to it. ...and you're right :o Selena's reason to vote me is pretty silly when I look at it that way!Thank you Mr. Townie Obvtown for saying stuff that I can follow along! You are almost as good a waifu as my dear Arisu~
As for Cuckoobeater and Joker. Joker is... holy crap lurky. His content is almost nonexistent. In his first two posts it's pretty much limited to giving a short comment on a quote and then voting the person, (His second has a wall of responses to quotes but there's not much actual content in there) and at day end he's just "DeChronos isn't scum, Eyes is slightly scummy ##Vote Eyes". He may as well not exist.This is Information Instead of Analysis. Pyoa doesn't actually tell us why Joker is scummy, he just says 'he made a post and then voted someone'. He can't even be bothered to say who Joker was voting and why this is a scumtell. I am sad to say it but I'm fairly certain Choker Joker is town.
Cuckoobeater early in d1 reads as weirdly jumpy but not exactly scummy to me. There is how he sort of drops off having any content after awhile though which isn't very good :/ Want to see what he does now.This on the other hand once again doesn't add up. Pope is suspicious but not suspicious enough to do anything but mention. It's 'not scummy' how he drops off having any content and he's 'weirdly jumpy'. In one sentence he has a better case for Cuckooscum then he has for Jokerscum.
I'd lynch Joker, probably Selena, waiting on what the other people I've mentioned do before I get my opinions on them more straightened out.
Mister Cuckooface's D2 post is wonderful and lovely and my doubts on him have been cleared."Oh nevermind any doubts the Pope is town. I will not actually say what about his post is town though. Pyoa away!"
Well and then there's Pleiades but his walls make me want to go :effort: and handwave him as scum but since he's a wagon and stuff now I guess I can't really do that.*puts on the tinfoil hat* He corrected this as 'handwave him as town' later. Is this a freudian slip? Could Sept really have pushed that hard and that well for a scumslip? I'm starting to think this is actually possible. I noted to myself when reading Sept's post where he started voting Pyoa that it seemed like he had a bunch of reasons to think 4 other people were scum, and then voted Pyoa for what seemed to be nothing. This is not something I would look into immediately but I do believe it's a possibility.
wafflesThis is like the worst not me over me vote in history. Like seriously. I LOVE YOU CAT AND WANT TO HAVE YOUR BEEBIES BUT YOU ARE OBVSCUM BECAUSE OF THIS RESTRICTION. You can hear the creaking of reality trying to be bent.
I supose it's interesting to look at. Let's compare it to Day 1 now.
Final Votecount WITH ITALICS Edition!
Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi
Pyoa Aaaa (6): Selena Milfall, Septentrion Pleiades, El Bobomboi, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche, Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, Nuko Do Maron
Septentrion Pleiades (0): Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, Pope Cuckoobeater
Choker Joker (0): Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall
Nuko do Maron (4): Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche, El Bobomboi, Baron Vladmu, Pyoa Aaaa, Lord Pumpkinquiche
Baron Vladmu (1): El Bobomboi, Selena Milfall, Nuko Do Maron
Lord Dechronos (7): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi, Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi, Halloween Alice, Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, El BobomboiOh man I'm not even trying to be subtle anymore am I. I have to admit that despite my enjoyment of his antics Vladmu's votes are very unsexy :( But let's get some things clear here.
Eyes of 13 Sages (4): Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Pope Cuckoobeater, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Lord Pumpkinquiche, El Bobomboi, Choker Joker
Pyoa Aaaa (1): Selena Milfall, Eyes of 13 Sages
El Bobomboi (1): Lord Dechronos, Endymion, Baron Vladmu, Septentrion Pleiades, Pope Cuckoobeater
Lord Pumpkinquiche (0): Halloween Alice, Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi
Nuko Do Maron (0): Choker Joker, Lord Dechronos, Endymion
The Cat became a target out of nowhere and I'm 90% sure the only reason people started thinking he looked scummy was cause I mentioned it.>__________________>
1) The Cat is Town As Shit. I will frankly be surprised if the cat is alive tomorrow because Pyoa might as well have copped him for us. This is no teehee double bus gambit, Pyoa knew he was restricted and thought he was obvtown.The second was pretty much an unspoken foregone conclusion so I have no idea why you brought it up if not to buddy. The first statement...I don't even know where you get that conclusion from. I'll admit I might be missing something because I'm not yet fully caught up.
2) El Bomba is also Town As Shit. Seriously I can't believe this is still something we're discussing here.
Maybe you think your name is Selena? I have indicated that vote counts implicate you. Being called 'lazy' after spending a night posting walls and giving myself brain damage trying to understand Pyoa's mind fills me with the rage of a fleet of drunken sailors. You seem smart enough to know better then that, Your accusation is as lame as your pink eye and I think you're being just a little OMGuSy there. :VI don't have time to pick apart your wall right now but the gist of it is that I think you're pulling conclusions out of thin air while dispersing them within more valid ones. I'll talk more about this tomorrow.
You also say you're pulling a 180 but last time I checked you thought I was scum so.Glad to see you're reading the game about as well as I am. No, last thing I said is I thought you were town but :wtf: for agreeing with Choker Joker about :mysterypoints:
Your opinion on buddying is special. Stating town reads is not buddying. It is an indication of who I will unequivably not vote today. Em Bombina was not a foregone conclusion to everyone. (I think Sept was the one bringing her up so <_< )Agree that stating town reads is not buddying. Disagree that what you did was not buddying. I can link you examples from your past scum games but I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. Stating town reads on reads that are generally considered town is the kind of fluff I expect to see from you as scum.
If you seriously don't understand why Nuko is obvtown after yesterday you need to replace out and stop playing mafia forever.This was unnecessary (seriously, it fucking hurt) and in any case it reads like you know I'm town.
I'm seriously pissed off right now. You're calling me lazy but you voted before reading the fucking day and realizing Nuko was the POST RESTRICTED COUNTER-WAGON TO FUCKING SCUM?...Are you fucking kidding me? Do you see me voting Nuko? Also I have more to say about this but later
Lookit me, ma, I'm posting a photecount!
Lord Dechronos (0): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi
Baron Vladmu (2): Nuko Do Maron, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi
Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi
Lord Pumpkinquiche (1): Halloween Alice, Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall
Nuko Do Maron (1): Choker Joker, Lord Dechronos
Halloween Alice (1): Lord Pumpkinquiche
El Bobomboi (3): Lord Dechronos, Endymion, Baron Vladmu, Septentrion Pleiades
Eyes of 13 Sages (1): Pyoa Aaaa
Septentrion Pleiades (3): Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, El Bobomboi
No vote cast: Eyes of 13 Sages
Final Day 1 Vote Count
Lord Dechronos (7): Pope Cuckoobeater, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi, Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, El Bobomboi[/color], Halloween Alice, Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, El Bobomboi
El Bobomboi (1): Lord Dechronos, Endymion, Baron Vladmu, Septentrion Pleiades, Pope Cuckoobeater
Eyes of 13 Sages (4): Pyoa Aaaa, Nuko Do Maron, Pope Cuckoobeater, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Lord Pumpkinquiche, El Bobomboi, Choker Joker
Pyoa Aaaa (1): Selena Milfall, Eyes of 13 Sages
Baron Vladmu (0): Nuko Do Maron, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi, Endymion
Selena Milfall (0): [i]El Bobomboi[/i], Pope Cuckoobeater
Halloween Alice (0): Lord Pumpkinquiche
Septentrion Pleiades (0): Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos
Endymion (0): Baron Vladmu, Nuko Do Maron
Lord Pumpkinquiche (0): Halloween Alice, Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall, El Bobomboi
Nuko Do Maron (0): Choker Joker, Lord Dechronos, Endymion
Choker Joker (0): Selena Milfall, Eyes of 13 Sages
Pope Cuckoobeater (0): El Bobomboi, Lord Dechronos, Choker Joker, Halloween Alice
:tumbleweed:
Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi
Pyoa Aaaa (1): Selena Milfall, Septentrion Pleiades
Septentrion Pleiades (3): Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, Pope Cuckoobeater
Choker Joker (2): Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall
Nuko do Maron (3): Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche
Not voting: El Bobomboi, Choker Joker
Final Day 2 Votecount
Selena Milfall (0): El Bobomboi
Pyoa Aaaa (6): Selena Milfall, Septentrion Pleiades, El Bobomboi, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche, Pope Cuckoobeater, Choker Joker, Nuko Do Maron
Septentrion Pleiades (0): Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, Pope Cuckoobeater
Choker Joker (0): Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall
Nuko do Maron (4): Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche, El Bobomboi, Baron Vladmu, Pyoa Aaaa, Lord Pumpkinquiche
Baron Vladmu (1): El Bobomboi, Selena Milfall, Nuko Do Maron
Also I find it strange and ironic that my "terrible post" early D1 managed to call out half the scumteam. It's almost uncanny. I almost feel like I look bad in the long run for shuffling those suspicions elsewhere when I realized I had a PR.You think they post restricted you because your reads were terrible? Silly cat.
I should stop talking about myself and post some actual scum reads.
For all we know it could turn out there are no vanilla and Nuko is fakeclaiming scumSadly i wish that were true
His D1 switch cuts the cake. After posting a giant wall on "Why I'm scum" he then kills my wagon and jumps on Dechronos for meta and calling him out for "not being online half the day.
Selena Milfall (0): El BobomboiIt almost seems like a flagrant way to keep pressure off of a partner and to prevent it from building up to an end of day lynch wagon by placing it back to 1 vote.
Pyoa Aaaa (1): Selena Milfall, Septentrion Pleiades
Septentrion Pleiades (3): Nuko Do Maron, Baron Vladmu, Pope Cuckoobeater
Choker Joker (2): Pyoa Aaaa, Selena Milfall
Nuko do Maron (3): Endymion, Eyes of 13 Sages, Lord Pumpkinquiche
Not voting: El Bobomboi, Choker Joker
...Pyoa AAAA is conveniently ignored for the rest of the day without any followup even though she laid out a sound case on him.
##Vote: Baron Vladmu
this probably feels awkward but i promise reasoning when i get back.
277 laid out was solid for a day 1 read.
Septentrion Pleiades makes a decent case on Eyes of Sages in 166 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg828887.html#msg828887) that I agree with. I disagree with the amount focused on the unvote but that's personal preference.I forget if I asked this before but I'm pretty sure I didn't get a straight answer. What exactly about the case Septentrion made on me was decent and why did you agree with it? Why was I scummy for what someone else had said? Also, why does it seem like you never read Pyoa's Day 1 posts?
Thus I dislike the eyes and give Septentrion Pleidades a slight townread for. I find myself also nodding in agreement with her comments towards Bobomoi.
If I were to vote it'd be Endimon > Eyes > ~~~ null region~~~ > everyone else.
Lord Dechronos smells like a repeat of the last time he pulled this schtick
I've seen Pyoa's player lynched for pretty much the EXACT SAME THING as townIt's still reliance on meta, which I still disapprove of because THIS IS AN ANON GAME.
Nuko lurked out the rest of the day by using up his "quota" answering side questions.Also are you also REALLY still parading this? I had a Post Restriction, and I did what I could with the words I had. I was still able to make a stance with what I could, and considering there was a GIGANTIC BLOODY WAGON on me, NOT putting some words down to defend myself would have been the death of me. So I used a couple words here and there to answer some obvious questions. Big deal. The impact on the word count as whole was rather minimal.
When it's time to claim I don't see why he would withhold for one, his flavor to the claim and two, information pertaining to the nightphase which is not claiming if you only give half of your role now and then half of it later.
I already noted how if you had something to do with the 4 deaths or knew anything about it the town thing to do would have been to immediately claim it and stuff.
But now that he want's to claim about it later in the day and it withholding the information to even later I think the ship has sailed.
Seriously, I would only lynch between Endymion and Selena today since I really doubt scum would play the blatant game Lord Pump is playing.He wouldn't, but I totally would, right? ::)
@mod Will town be informed if we are in LYLO/MYLO?
You think Lord Pumpkinquiche is extremely obtuse and blatant scum?So why can't it be possible Quiche IS extremely obtuse and blatant scum, anyway? What would that accomplish aside from WIFOM and irony?
Seriously, I would only lynch between Endymion and Selena today since I really doubt scum would play the blatant game Lord Pump is playing.
Since I feel his presence is the one I'm missing and I want to get more out of him, I'm going to take the plunge and threaten murder at a kitten. There can be only one!
##Vote: Neko du Maron
Same question as to Pyoa, I want three concise suspects and the why of them.
What happens if you go over your restriction?
##Unvote
I was just coming to check in before a nappy but this wagon is officially off. I should have known there were one of you out there. I will find you and you will burn.
Pyoa I asked you something really simple. Three scumspects and why with none of that random drivel in there. I see a giant face wanting to be caned instead. Your behaviour around a possibly post restricted cat makes me extra suspicous.
Sudden PR's are suspect because they are sudden and how do you not check to see if you got a message in the night.
For now I will:
##Vote: Pyoa Aaaaa
Because it is the only wagon I support, and because he's being waffly in an extremely cute way that seems dedicated to charming people into liking him instead of accomplishing anything. I promised I would not tell people how town people are this game but I am growing increasingly worried at the amount of town reads I have on certain wagons and you should get the fuck off the cat right now.
okay okay don't panic it's just a claim it could be scum aaaaaaaaaa
I have literally no time to respond and I won't be back before deadline. This time there's no getting around it. I will say that I don't believe Tank of All Trades because my role has nothing to do with Eyes. But Decronos flipped Time Keeper so aaaaaaaaaa
Do you guys remember that time in an anon game that someone people wanted to lynch had their vote restricted and was obviously being oppressed by the scum and then we tried to lynch that person anyways because it could be a scum ploy or some shitThe switch is still a bit sudden and the telling people why Nuko is suspicious while telling people to get the fuck off his wagon is ???. But it's more genuine than I remembered.
this is like that time. Every time you vote Neko Kilga lynches a kitten. Think of the kittens
in short pyoa aaaa has no opinion on who's scum.
wtf this is probably the worst not me over me thing i have ever seen.
my opinion on choker joker will rest on his vote, though i don't agree with what he has been saying.
@nuko: yes.
flavor would be nice on both parties. don't tell me the tank has four pieces of ammo.Says he fell asleep while choosing. In any case he was still on the Baron wagon as Pyoa went to lynch, and I think scum would have been more proactive in making Nuko more of a counterwagon if he was going that route.
also why is pyoa scum? im not kidding i didnt read some of those walls
Totally sheeping this one
##unvote
##vote:pyoa
##unvotePlus other stuff I didn't bother quoting. Extremely minimalistic posting is hard to read.
##vote: giant cat
Rather take pyoas claim over the cats. Using as little words as possible even though the day is ending and your claim that could be the only redeeming thing about you.
And then the convenient post restriction appears.
I'm still willing to put the cat as slight town due to actually liking his day 1 and his wagon is some of the shadiest shit.
Eyes unvote in 212 when it takes off is also wrong.
I don't agree with the Cat's Baron vote but I also feel that the cases on him aren't completely legit.
In comparison to Pyoa AAAA I would hammer Pyoa for the reasons laid out in Bobomoi's 343
(http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg830379.html#msg830379) bar the meta reading because I told you how I feel about that but ok.
Yes, I still dislike you Bobomoi.
To be frankly fucking honest, if I could pick the lynch today it'd be Eydo-eyeball what's his name. But no one wants to vote him because God knows why.
I think your case on Pyoa lays out the reasons why he is being lynched and I feel more confident in him flipping scum over the Cat that you all are fosing with shoddy cases.
Just because it's convenient it suddenly means he's guilty?
##Vote: Pyoa Aaaa (L-1)
Either way, If Pyoa does flip scum it will improve my opinion of Bobomoi but he hasn't yet.
I honestly think this may be duel town if Pyoa doesn't flip scum.Yeaah. This series of posts is basically a classic bus. Doesn't like the cases on the cat, so sheeps his scumread onto Pyoa? This on top of the fact that I see Choker Joker's attempt to discredit the claimed PRs as irritation at seeing his pet mislynches slip away, and I find this scummier than Quiche's play by far.
I'm ready to go fight you tomorrow since I barely got my bearings today but we will go.
Misread who's in what quote, I meant to say that it would have been just as easy to push my wagon further by voting me instead of bussingThere was about an hour left with both wagons at L-2. The only three people not yet on the wagons were Choker Joker, Nuko Du Maron, and Selena Milfall. Millfall was afk, so a lynch on you was pretty much impossible at that point with all the people on the Pyoa wagon heavily against the Nuko lynch. It makes sense that Joker would jump on his buddy for last minute town cred in that situation.
stuff about my RVS voteI don't even know what this means.
so now would be a good time to come up with reasons you are not scum and Joker isUh, I'm not used to being asked why I'm not scum? :V My role pm? I dunno I think I've been pretty transparently town as I've been trying as hard as I can with the time I've been able to allot to this game. >_> But I know my vote history is bad. I can't deny that. I guess I can only ask that you read the circumstances around the votes instead of just reducing them into number garbage.
I am fucking obvtown(http://forum.mafiascum.net/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
2 Members and 9 Guests are viewing this topic.Also damn that's a lot of guests.
"I refuse to feel bad for playing by the stated rules when it seems to benefit my win-con."Then there was absolutly no fucking reason whatsoever you should have fucking lynched Lord pumpkin when we could have nled with 6 people as opposed to fucking 4 which, hrr, it did blow up in everyone's face.
everything in Septentrion's and Pyoa's actions towards you screams town.Why do you keep voting your fucking town reads? I can't even grasp what the fuck.
Mister Cuckooface's D2 post is wonderful and lovely and my doubts on him have been cleared. Oh oh oh, and Ms.Bobomboi, I have absolutely no idea who the Joker Choker is. Doesn't help that he's barely posted.Would Pyoa lie about this? He's been so honest so far. Hand waving Septentrion as scum, thinking all the town are townie.. it seems like such a harmless comment but if it's true Joker can't be scum. Does it sound like it's confirmation biasy? It might be because obviously his buddies would be guessing who it is.. is it really that simple? Even more annoyingly, he never mentions Endymion, ever. His only comment with him in it is 'Endymion is town' without any why or reason.Oh wait... barely posted... does that mean it's...?I'm only good at identifying the obvious people, and I've only managed to figure out one person who isn't one of the two obviouses. Well three obviouses if I count myself I guess! Oooh, I guess I got the dead pumpkin-masked girl too, but she's all dead and stuff. ...oh wait, this isn't exactly relevant, where was I again.
Fully agreeing with Alice's opinion on DeChronos' post here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg828702.html#msg828702) The rest of his postsuh gimme a minute.He doesn't sound convinced he's scum.
Okay, DeChronos has pretty much been sitting on Eyes' and Pleiades' first posts with lackluster stuff for the whole day. That's... about all he's done, really.
On this note, Alice is perfectly fine, but the three ones that are just pumpkins with hats and gloves, those are who I meant.I LOVE YOU ALICE YOU ARE MY IDOL I SURE HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS TO YOU
I think the reasoning behind Pleaides' El Bobomoi vote is pretty questionable. However, Bobomoi improved later, so I'm not bothered by her. ...I think it's a her, at least. I'd ask for gender clarifications, but half of you people clearly don't have one. I'm looking at you, eyeballs and pumpkins.He thought El Bobo was town because scum was attacking her.
Right! I had been passing off the Baron as town (Along with the cat), but what people have been saying lately make me think that I should probably reread them D: I'm too tired for it now though, and stuff tomorrow that I'll have to wake up for, so that'll have to wait until I return home tomorrow.Passing off another town read as town.
Mister Cuckooface's D2 post is wonderful and lovely and my doubts on him have been cleared.Towny is town.
Well and then there's Pleiades but his walls make me want to go :effort: and handwave him as scum but since he's a wagon and stuff now I guess I can't really do that.:Pyoa'd: He was screaming to kill Sept with fire at the end of the day too.
Well, Quiche is pretty ???. I'm fairly sure most people have realized who he is by now and he acts like this every game (Town or scum), so I'm pretty much leaving him for later when we have more flips to make connections with (And because eventually he should be able to start actually doing something more productive to be able to judge him with, unless maybe if he's scum I guess?).Trying to be suspicious but still ends the paragraph with 'maybe unless he's scum'. More town handwaving.
Nuko? Where have you gone :CTownie is town.WeI love you and think you're adorable and great but please come baaack you've had a nice long nap so go back to being the great you were being before
...does Selena Milfall have any scum targets other then Choker Joker right now? Well, she did say something about Quiche too, and is claiming that she'll switch her vote next time she posts, so I guess we'll find out soon enough.He's willing to wait on her next post before saying what he thinks of her but she's apparently one of his biggest suspects. Yeah.
Eyes is lacking in talking so far, but since I agree with their actual vote, I don't have an issue with them right now.
To put things straight, I don't like Selena Milfall, Dechronos, or Pleaides. And now that I realized that mixup, Eyes is bad too because voting Choker Joker for ???. ...not really sure how I'd prioritize them.
Eyes, isn't really a town read or anything yet, but they seem to be improving significantly in comparison to earlier. Would not lynch today.He doesn't say that much about me directly compared to other people. The sentences on me are short and somehow end up in his suspicions pile anyways. His post 300 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg829988.html#msg829988) however highlights how he was voting Dechronos for voting me, with the implication that this makes sense because I am the townie so this is obviously a viable defense. It also contains a reply to me, apologizing for not being able to meet my demands. Compare to post 275 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12618.msg829710.html#msg829710) where he outright tells us that Septentrion is just scum going for the easy lynch on him. Also
:C
As for Cuckoobeater and Joker. Joker is... holy crap lurky. His content is almost nonexistent. In his first two posts it's pretty much limited to giving a short comment on a quote and then voting the person, (His second has a wall of responses to quotes but there's not much actual content in there) and at day end he's just "DeChronos isn't scum, Eyes is slightly scummy ##Vote Eyes". He may as well not exist.I could just copy/paste what I said about this before. RE: These two are not scum together and if I would listen to my own Process of Elimination we could have lynched Endymion Day 3. But at least he tried so hard to sound suspicious.
Bobomoi Endymion and Cuckoobeater are townYou are free to do a Cntl+F of his posts. This is the only time he mentions Endymion. As you can note, he doesn't hestiate to tell us when people are townie in his streams of consciousness. Except he's trying really hard to forget about Endymion. I would point you to another game where he did this but meta in an Anonymous game? Bah. Someone who Isn't Being Mentioned but is a magical town read is just as suspicious as someone who is being randomly read as scum because *reasons*. Scum do not like talking about their partners, especially not why they're townie. But a handwave town read is harmless, right? No one will think twice of it.
Endymion, that was a mean trick, telling me how dare I believe Joker's case on you, without ever telling me what exactly was wrong with it. Guilt instead of an actual defense, I understand what scummy AtE feels like now. Surely this will stop it from ever fooling me againno it won't.
You are free to do a Cntl+F of his posts. This is the only time he mentions Endymion. As you can note, he doesn't hestiate to tell us when people are townie in his streams of consciousness. Except he's trying really hard to forget about Endymion. I would point you to another game where he did this but meta in an Anonymous game? Bah. Someone who Isn't Being Mentioned but is a magical town read is just as suspicious as someone who is being randomly read as scum because *reasons*. Scum do not like talking about their partners, especially not why they're townie. But a handwave town read is harmless, right? No one will think twice of it.zzz now that you've forced the 1v1 you're just pulling up whatever shit supports your theory. When Pyoa gives a cursory mention of other town members it's obvious he's just having confirmation bias that they're town but when he gives a cursory mention of me it's because he's trying to forget about me because I'm his scumbuddy? This is the problem I have with your reading of Pyoa. You're pulling out mystery motivations from his posts like they're solid and immutable, and you're using them to support whatever theory you're pushing at the time. You know who knows what Pyoa was thinking? Pyoa and his scumbuddies. Here watch I can do it too.
Eyes is lacking in talking so far, but since I agree with their actual vote, I don't have an issue with them right now.
To put things straight, I don't like Selena Milfall, Dechronos, or Pleaides. And now that I realized that mixup, Eyes is bad too because voting Choker Joker for . ...not really sure how I'd prioritize them.
Eyes, isn't really a town read or anything yet, but they seem to be improving significantly in comparison to earlier. Would not lynch today.Here Pyoa throws suspicion on Eyes and waffles on them voraciously. First he doesn't have an issue, then he says they're bad and he doesn't know how to prioritize them? Nice to way get out of having to state an opinion on them. Then he later says that Eyes is not a town read, but he isn't willing to lynch them. Do you see that? EYES IS NOT A TOWN READ, BUT HE'S NOT WILLING TO LYNCH THEM. I wonder what the motivation for that is, hmm?
I can't get a read on Kilga either but having me flip confirmed town will help you find his alignment too.
Endymion, that was a mean trick, telling me how dare I believe Joker's case on you, without ever telling me what exactly was wrong with it. Guilt instead of an actual defense, I understand what scummy AtE feels like now.
*_____*I'd like to point that me and Joker have been the ones slapfighting all game.
THERE IS ONLY ROOM FOR ONE PAIR OF EYES IN THIS GAME! I should have known it would be a staring contest from the start.
At this point it's obvious to me we're together here because we've been slapfighting like idiots.
Would Pyoa lie about this? He's been so honest so far. Hand waving Septentrion as scum, thinking all the town are townie.. it seems like such a harmless comment but if it's true Joker can't be scum. Does it sound like it's confirmation biasy? It might be because obviously his buddies would be guessing who it is.. is it really that simple? Even more annoyingly, he never mentions Endymion, ever. His only comment with him in it is 'Endymion is town' without any why or reason.I want to say that the reasoning used here is bullshit if you actually read what Eyes is talking about.
I have absolutely no idea who the Joker Choker is. Doesn't help that he's barely posted. Oh wait... barely posted... does that mean it's...?Looks like a pretty clear jab at Joker's player slot to me especially given that last bit. But you seem to know more. Inside info given you were his scumbuddy?
Not going to respond to the case on Eyes and the rest but it should be blatantly obvious that this guy (Choker Joker) is just throwing mud at whatever sticks.Defending yourself by making me feel like a terrible person for even contemplating that Joker might have been right about you, without a reason why it was wrong. You never got around to refuting his 'crap case' like you said you would. You concentrate full force on trying to get me lynched. Your case on me even has more I'll Get To This Later in it. You'll talk about why I'm scum later. You've put enough cases on layaway.
I'm sincerely disappointed. How the fuck can you agree with what he's saying? What are you even talking about?
This post is rambly but I just woke up and now I have to get to work and I won't be back before deadline. No doubt Choker Joker will use this as a point to attack me. I only joined to fill up the signups, so he can bite me. We're lynching him tomorrow by the way.
so i guess my theory about bard trolling the graveyard was right n2?
because if shadoweh was town then i really have no idea
dormio stop roleplaying my old posting styleMy apologies, but it appears that I am unable to follow your current train of thought. The words that I speak belong to myself and to no other. For you to claim my manner of speech as your own is, quite frankly, a rather ridiculous statement and I would appreciate an immediate withdrawal of the aforementioned statement as well as a formal apology for the grievous insult that you have place upon myself.
[09:23:52] <Shizuka_Dormamori> no but I'mr eally curious
[09:23:53] <Shizuka_Dormamori> how the fuck
[09:23:56] <Shizuka_Dormamori> does shadoweh get away with
[09:24:01] <Shizuka_Dormamori> voteparking choker joker
[09:24:06] <Shizuka_Dormamori> whilst calling quiche scum
[09:24:20] <Shizuka_Dormamori> and never giving reasons for voting choker joker other than "CUZ"
[09:24:25] <Shizuka_Dormamori> like what the fuck
[09:24:28] <Shizuka_Dormamori> I still don't understand that
[09:24:42] <Vhaltz> that was an ED1 vote though
[09:25:01] <Shizuka_Dormamori> it doesn't matter
[09:25:04] <Shizuka_Dormamori> when she held onto it
[09:25:06] <Vhaltz> it was just handwaved as a late RVS vote
[09:25:06] <Shizuka_Dormamori> for the entire day
[09:25:10] <Shizuka_Dormamori> ENTIRE DAY
:rage:
I wonder what the night plan was for that. Perhaps Selena dodged a bullet and I will look the fool for almost getting you confirmed as 'town'.After Sept died horribly in the N2 accident I was basically winging it. Me v Selena 1v1 in 4P MYLO would have been interesting with how all you people suspected her.
ALSO:This. So hard.
please stop using player meta by dancing around with "this player is obviously this person" in anon games
if you use it, you don't talk about it openly
same for self-meta
that was really lame
ALSO:
please stop using player meta by dancing around with "this player is obviously this person" in anon games
if you use it, you don't talk about it openly
same for self-meta
that was really lame
I couldn't tell someone was playing obviously like a new person do good job to you Neko Rex.
ALSO:This needs to be quoted again.
please stop using player meta by dancing around with "this player is obviously this person" in anon games
if you use it, you don't talk about it openly
same for self-meta
that was really lame
So HW, does your comprehensive guide still fit?it caught omba perfectly when everybody else thought he was px, so i'm going to say to an extent yes
it caught omba perfectly when everybody else thought he was px, so i'm going to say to an extent yes
a lot of people played in a way that the guide wouldn't catch though, but it's not like the flowcharts are supposed to ever be relied on
Conq guessed Shadoweh before the game started, but she's the third-easiest player to guess (Preceeded by Rawr and me. Although arguably, if I really tried and managed a good game at the same time, I could theoretically disguise myself. The chances of it occuring are incredibly small though, so.)
Yeah screw that we're taking Eyes to LYLO to torture her. B)CONQ
I tried to avoid using self-meta. >.>Pfffffffft. Good one.
You are Lord Dechronos, fat prophet, steer killee, genie, and main antagonist! You have it out for both Bunny and Chelsea more than anyone else, and it's time to kick their ass once and for all for sealing you again! ...Except all your abilities appear to still be sealed. Aside from your ability to be fat. You're still very fat. Such is life, you suppose.
You are a Town Time Keeper! As cool as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are El Bobomboi, PlatineDispositif's premiere anti-sequence-breaker! Like hell are those girls getting by you again! And if they so much as DARE fight Pyoa Aaaa before they come to see you...you don't even know what's gonna happen. But it's gonna be big!
You are a Town Heart Breaker! As cool as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Nuko do Maron, a giant cat with strangely long forearms! You only wanted to have a civil conversation with those strange girls, but then they went and smashed your paws! You have meowed revenge for this insult!
You are a Town Pussyfeather! As strange as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Selena Milfall, the best damn antagonist in this game! Forget Bunny and Chelsea, you're the PlatineDispositif logo! You're so much more important than them! And you need to knock them off to remind everyone of that fact!
You are a Town Shiniwanabi! You have been partially trained in the arts of soul reading, but you have also been partially trained in the arts of slacking off like nobody's business. Every night, you may target a player and learn their role name. If you target a player on consecutive nights, on that second night, you will learn their alignment. Feel free to ask any questions you may have about your role in private.
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Baron Vladmu, a vampire with a combination handgun-Elvis haircut! You speak English, Japanese, and German, and can even communicate through nothing but Zero Wing quotes! It's a shame those two girls beat you up instead of staying around for tea, but you'll be sure to get them back for it!
You are a Town Video Killer! Your brilliant plan of flashing your enemies to kill them in one shot having been foiled, you recently came across a strange called a "remote mine". At night, you may throw this mine at another player, and it will stick to them. You may then detonate the mine on a later night, and it will explode, killing them and anyone they may have been targeting that night, and anyone who was targeting them during the night! You can also choose to detonate the mine the same night you throw it, but if you do, you will be caught in the very fatal explosion alongside your target, anyone they were targeting, and anyone that targeted them, so be careful. You have only one mine; use it wisely. Feel free to ask any questions you may have about your role in private.
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are the Eyes of 13 Sages, a giant wall full of eyes. You are more than 26 eyes in all, which implies there's more than 13 sages, but that's less important than staring Bunny and Chelsea to death for the crime of beating up you and your fellow devils!
You are a Town Funkasaurus! Funk is on a roll, and somebody better call your mama! You are so active with the funk that you don't sleep! Every night, you may post in the game thread about the game without fear of mod repercussion.
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Pope Cuckoobeater, the first boss of the Prison Tower! You have a score to settle with those two girls for squashing you and your buddies!
You are a Town Carriage Driver! Each night, you can lock one other player in your Cinderella-style carriage, which them proceeds to turn into a pumpkin, keeping them tucked safely away! Unfortunately, while this will keep them safe from night kills, it will also prevent them from acting that night.
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Lord Pumpkinquiche, the second boss of the Prison Tower! You have a score to settle with those two girls for how they jacked you and your buddies up!
You are a Town Mid-Mid-Boss! As cool as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Choker Joker, the third boss of the Prison Tower! You have a score to settle with those two girls for how they carved you and your buddies up!
You are a Town Laughingstock! As strange as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
U-umm...You are Halloween Alice, the final boss of the Prison Tower. ...Yeah...
...You are a Town Seedy-Looking Human...it's just a Vanilla Townie role, though. O-oh...oh well...
You win when...u-uhh...all the threats to town have been eliminated. ...Good luck...
You are Pyoa Aaaa, a tank that talks in giant letters for no obvious reason! You can be rather simple-minded, since you're just a tank, but you still want to get them two protag girls good!
You are a Town Noisemaker! As cool as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
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At least, that's what you want town to think.
You are actually Bunny the Honeywhite! You came back to mess with all the antags again because hey, why not? It was kinda fun last time. Also you're still cursed! What the hell!?!
You are a Scum Noisemaker, though this is actually the opposite of what you do. Every night, if you do not go on the scum faction kill, you may target one person and learn who they are. Your target will also not be able to post more than 100 words in each of the 24-hour intervals that makes up the following day. (Note that this effect only lasts for one day.)
Your partners are Endymion and Septentrion Pleiades, and you may communicate at any time in this QT.
You win when the scum faction outnumbers the non-scum population, or nothing can prevent same. Good luck!
You are Endymion, an annoying-as-shit midboss when on the Chelsea path! All you were doing was sitting there, minding your own business, when these two asshole chicks came and beat you up just for being in the way! The nerve! You'll show them! You'll peek up their skirts so hard...!
You are a Town Private Eye! As cool as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
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At least, that's what you want town to think.
You are actually Chelsea Mamonarge! (Just as I got the best girl in Sword Girls, you get the best girl in C7D.) You came back to mess with all the antags again because you need something to distinguish yourself from the rest of your sisters. Being the 618th daughter of the Elf King garners him a lot more prestige than it does you.
You are a Scum Private Eye. Every night, if you do not go on the scum faction kill, you may target one person and learn their role name and role function.
Your partners are Pyoa Aaaa and Septentrion Pleiades, and you may communicate at any time in this QT.
You win when the scum faction outnumbers the non-scum population, or nothing can prevent same. Good luck!
You are Septentrion Pleaides, a Byakuren-looking 7th Force reference! It is your duty to restore the honor of the fallen devils by destroying the two girls responsible.
You are a Town Seizure Victim. As strange as this role name sounds, though, you're just a Vanilla Townie. Sorry. :[
You win when all the threats to town have been eliminated. Good luck!
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At least, that's what you want town to think.
You are actually Raocow! OH MAN. You came back to mess with all the antags again because you need some more good content for your channel, and this series was pretty popular, if largely for the wrong reasons.
You are a Scum Seizure Victim. No one suspected you as the true final devil until you revealed yourself - what kind of devil is a little girl that convulses upon seeing a Pikachu on TV? Given your amazing acting job, every night, if you do not go on the scum faction kill, you will return town to alignment investigators and be immune to nightkills.
Your partners are Pyoa Aaaa and Endymion, and you may communicate at any time in this QT. You'll need it, too, since playing as scum is definitely a thing!
You win when the scum faction outnumbers the non-scum population, or nothing can prevent same. Good luck!
(Side note 2: I was disappointed when Bard didn't spend all of ED1 speaking in German like he did in Tsundere Mafia as Asuka Soryu. ALAS)
Clearly the third person is Raocow.I was rereading the scum QT and oh god I didn't even remember saying this
Because.
Night 2I was not expecting that.
Scum kill: Pope Cuckoobeater via Septentrion Pleiades (Success) (Killed!)
Scum rolecop: Selena Milfall (Result: Shiniwanabi)
Selena cop: Endymion (Result: Private Eye)
Baron mine: Pope Cuckoobeater + Detonate (Success!) (Killed!)
Cuckoobeater jail: El Bobomboi (Exploded! El Bobomboi killed!)
Rolecop Cuckoobeater. Reason because I may be privileged to information that allows me to speculate he sent in an action.:wat:
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I don't think I deserve commendations but I am fairly sure I don't deserve that much hate either.Towards the end, I was wondering whether you might be Serela. Even though the obv. Serela had already flipped days ago.