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Title: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: miracle★cookie on April 15, 2012, 12:57:54 AM
http://kourindou.exblog.jp/17778111/

ZUN's Music Collection Vol.6
「鳥船遺跡 ~ Trojan Green Asteroid」 (Ruins of Torifune ~ Trojan Green Asteroid)

to be released at comic1 at the end of this month.

10 tracks in total, 5 of them are new.

also going by the names, Ame no Torifune seems to be a central theme.

gensokyo in space
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: N-Forza on April 15, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
Translated songlist:
1. Satellite Torifune (New)
2. Trojan Asteroid Jungle (New)
3. Desire Drive (TD)
4. The Fairies' Adventurous Tale (SaBND 3)
5. Ame-no-torifune Shrine (New)
6.  UFO Romance in the Night Sky (UFO)
7. Hartmann's Youkai Girl (SA)
8. The Barrier of Ame-no-torifune Shrine (New)
9. Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind (UFO)
10. Gensokyo Floating Through Outer Space (New)
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Kilgamayan on April 15, 2012, 01:11:07 AM
3. Desire Drive (TD)

:]

6.  UFO Romance in the Night Sky (UFO)

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9. Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind (UFO)

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7. Hartmann's Youkai Girl (SA)

 :barf:
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: D8ms on April 15, 2012, 01:12:02 AM
I'm already getting the voyager 1969, 1970 vibe. The repertoire of existing track is delicious, but what is SaBND 3? derp
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 15, 2012, 01:31:05 AM
7. Hartmann's Youkai Girl (SA)

 :barf:

My sentiments exactly.

Apart from that, this collection looks great. The man is a machine, I tell you. A machine!
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: CrimsonSigma on April 15, 2012, 01:39:45 AM
I liked the cover art and tracklist.
Just when I decided to buy the Music Collection... ZUN decides to release a new CD.

It's been a long time since the previous one (Unknown Flower, Mesmerizing Journey doesn't count).
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: pineyappled on April 15, 2012, 02:48:13 AM
UFO Romance and Desire Drive? Can't wait.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Polaris on April 15, 2012, 03:19:06 AM
I guess there's a logical flow here: the previous Mary & Renko story was Magical Astronomy, and now they've made it to outer space!

Already can't wait for this just from looking at the tracklist.

Incidentally, I went and looked up Ame no Torifune (http://eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/entry.php?entryID=155).
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin on April 15, 2012, 03:20:33 AM
Sounds splendid~

(also: b'duhhhh, I wish KirbyM was still updating create.swf so we could have updated-Renko)
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Berzul on April 15, 2012, 05:13:39 AM
Mari is back <333 And.. hmm new design patterns.. that makes 6 different ones now...
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Drake on April 15, 2012, 05:56:02 AM
CALLLLED IT

EDIT: RENKO LOOKS REEEEEALLY FUCKING STUPID
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Chuckolator on April 15, 2012, 06:28:11 AM
Needs more Old Yuanshen, imo.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Lepetit89 on April 15, 2012, 06:37:07 AM
Wow, what's will all the hate for Hartmann's Youkai Girl? I actually liked it. Looking forward to the CD, still need to find Unknown Flower, Mesmerizing Journey, though, skipping a CD is just unsightly.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Jana on April 15, 2012, 06:38:09 AM
Ew Hartmann's Youkai Girl. Rest of the returning tracks seem promising though!

Snipped the irrelevant bits.
Quote
[01:24] <ProfessorPaul1290> Trojan Green Asteroid?
[01:26] <ProfessorPaul1290> You mean like this? : http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1923
[01:26] <Keine-tan> Title: SCP-1923 - The SCP Foundation (at www.scp-wiki.net)
[01:32] <Jana> SCP Wiki at Night!
[01:32] <Jana> My favorite extreme sport! \o/
[01:33] <ProfessorPaul1290> I don't know if it's "Trojan" but it's definitely a "Green Asteroid".
[01:33] <ProfessorPaul1290>
Actually, it releases seeds that hook onto other asteroids, so I guess it is kind of "Trojan".
[01:34] <Jana> Yeah, this is actually pretty fitting. :>[//quote]
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Helepolis on April 15, 2012, 07:32:38 AM
Interesting to see Desire Drive among that list. So ZUN has something special with the stage 4 BGM?
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Frog on April 15, 2012, 08:05:08 AM
I realise it's just odd zun art angling... but Renko looks like she's missing a leg.  :V
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on April 15, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
Cosmic Mind and Desire Motherf*****g Drive, this is gonna be awesome  :]
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: iK on April 15, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
Who knows, maybe Hartmann's won't be repetitive ear-bleeding nonsense!

Nawww.

Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on April 15, 2012, 02:20:59 PM
I realise it's just odd zun art angling... but Renko looks like she's missing a leg.  :V

Crazy things happen in college man. Don't judge her.

Anyway, this sounds 100% AWESOME! Can't wait to hear arranges of these songs, but even more so the new adventures of Mary and Renko. We haven't heard from them in six years, right? Surely they've graduated from college by now.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Helepolis on April 15, 2012, 02:28:01 PM
We haven't heard from them in six years, right? Surely they've graduated from college by now.
That is what you think.

The world of Gensokyo can do strange things to your live. Let us hope Renko and Maribel did not suffer from this.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: AJS on April 15, 2012, 05:48:05 PM
Awwww yeaaaah, can't wait.  All my favorite songs and more!  (I don't care what anyone says, I loved Hartmann's Youkai Girl, and I was hoping that ZUN would remix it in his next music collection...looks like I got my wish :D)
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Cadmas on April 15, 2012, 07:39:51 PM
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hate for Hartmann's Youkai Girl

Hating Koishi is the new old hip thing to do. 8)
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: ふねん1 on April 15, 2012, 08:14:09 PM
Wow so much hate for Hartmann's Youkai Girl. All the returning tracks are good songs if you ask me. Can't wait to hear the new ones too.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: iK on April 15, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Hating Koishi is the new old hip thing to do. 8)

No hate for Koi Koi, just her ear-ravaging theme. :V
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Paper Conan on April 15, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
Some of us ~actually~ like the ear-rape that Necrofantasia and Beware of the Umbrella Left There Forever give us.  :derp:
An official remix of Hartmann's Youkai Girl (ffffffinally)and a direct remix of Emotional Skyscraper are being released, as well as several new songs, by the end of the month.

:getdown:

Oh, and is it just me or is ZUN's art-style becoming a lot less colorful and artistic? u.u
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 15, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
I think his art style has finally found its voice and confidence. Not to say he's a pro artist now or something; just that it's clear to me he's found his way of drawing things and is sticking to that.

Hating Koishi is the new old hip thing to do. 8)

I was hating Koishi before Gpop even discovered her. I have my hate on vinyl, a limited edition pressing from this label that you probably haven't heard of. They're pretty obscure.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: ふねん1 on April 15, 2012, 09:09:50 PM
Oh, and is it just me or is ZUN's art-style becoming a lot less colorful and artistic? u.u
Well we all know his art after UFO didn't really match up. But if you ask me, it's the attacks in Touhou that have become more noticeably bland, especially nonspells. Such a step back from UFO and GFW...

As for Renko's "missing leg", look for her left foot behind the bare part of her right leg. Now you see the awesome pose she has. ;)
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Jana on April 15, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
Hating Koishi is the new old hip thing to do. 8)
I always hated Koishi and her theme. I think Kilga has too, though I didn't know Ammy was part of our "club." :P

Anyway, I suppose what I'm looking forward tot he most in the end is hearing more of ZUN's new music. I hope they're as good as some of the original tracks on his older CDs!
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Lepetit89 on April 15, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
Anything even remotely close to Neo Super-Express and I'm happy already.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: iK on April 16, 2012, 05:20:45 AM
Kilga you silly fluffernutter you.

Renko looks especially ZUNy on the cover art, I have to admit.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: RegalStar on April 17, 2012, 06:21:32 AM
Aside from the persumably-from-one-of-the-manga-bonus-discs song (which i haven't heard and thus will be treating as a new song), I love all the ones that will be remixed, and I can't wait from them. The new ones hopefully will be fantatic too.

Something to look forward to now!
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Zengeku on April 18, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
All you people hating on Koishi needs to take this boxcutter and do horrifying stuff to yourself.

New music CD is always nice though I still can't help being a bit disappointed upon hitting up his blog, seeing something new and then it's just some music CD.  :(
Of course the new songs are what I'm looking most forward to.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Nat Tea on April 18, 2012, 07:56:16 AM
Who knows, maybe Hartmann's won't be repetitive ear-bleeding nonsense!
No hate for Koi Koi, just her ear-ravaging theme. :V
Betting that the new ZUN arrange of Hartmann's Youkai Girl will not sound the same playing backwards as well as forwards!!

Next you know we're going to have a title called the "I hate Koishi club" around the forums or something.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Zengeku on April 18, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
Ear-bleeding? You people haven't heard Necrofantasia then. I almost thought I would go deaf.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: MaStErSpArK94 on April 18, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
Ear-bleeding? You people haven't heard Necrofantasia then. I almost thought I would go deaf.

Necrofantasia made me jump from my chair the first time I heard it, I wasn't expecting something THAT loud.  :P
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Helepolis on April 18, 2012, 11:41:20 AM
Let us not turn this into a dumb "X theme is better than Y" discussion because opinions remain opinions. Express them without going too personal, or else just cry somewhere else. Please.

Btw, is this being sold at Reitaisai? I've spotted on the blog something about a booth ID.

Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: N-Forza on April 18, 2012, 12:02:43 PM
No, it's being sold at Comic 1, which is on the 30th. Also, he dropped some hints on Twitter about how there is still remaining stock of 5.5 that may be sold at a certain music event sometime soon. Vague as usual, but he might be talking about the Nico event on the 29th or M3 on the 30th.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Lepetit89 on April 18, 2012, 02:48:14 PM
No, it's being sold at Comic 1, which is on the 30th. Also, he dropped some hints on Twitter about how there is still remaining stock of 5.5 that may be sold at a certain music event sometime soon. Vague as usual, but he might be talking about the Nico event on the 29th or M3 on the 30th.

Oh, really? Guessing it won't be possible to place requests through you, but maybe some more will hit second-hand stores. Hopefully.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Romantique Tp on April 18, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
Ear-bleeding? You people haven't heard Necrofantasia then. I almost thought I would go deaf.

Must suck to have bad speakers.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Zengeku on April 18, 2012, 04:32:09 PM
Must suck to have bad speakers.

Must suck to have ears that doesn't work. HAR HAR HAR!   :]

No, it's actually a pretty awesome theme imo, i just really don't like that trumpet so it becomes obnoxious.

Oh and yes, it sucks to have bad speakers. The plug is damaged so sometimes they think mono is the way to go. Then you have to tamper with them for a little while until both speakers work. Why they behave like that just because the plug is bent a bit, i dunno.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: 7TC7 on April 18, 2012, 05:00:51 PM
But Necrofantasia is a pretty good example for a song that got much better on his Music-CD release, so whatever happens to those remade songs, I'm pretty sure we won't be disappointed.

I personally am looking forward the most to Hartmann and UFO Romance, as those are two of my favourites... and especially UFO Romance never got much love (at least I don't remember ANY remix that tried to do anything with the laughter in the original - if anyone knows one, that would be great)
Also, the new originals will definitely be something nice. Final track sounds like it could be interesting~

As an aside. I can't listen to PCBs Necrofantasia outside of the game without it kinda repelling me, but in the context of the game, while playing or even in the music room, it seems to just work so damn well.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Gpop on April 19, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
Hating Koishi is the new old hip thing to do. 8)

I was hating Koishi before Gpop even discovered her.
I was loving Koishi before you even hated her :V *inb4infiniteloop*

Also, Renko has one leg
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 19, 2012, 09:12:31 PM
I was loving Koishi before you even hated her :V *inb4infiniteloop*

Are you saying ... you knew you loved her before you met her?

Dammit now that song is in my head.

Also, Renko has one leg

No, she's striking an amazingly cool pose.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Cadmas on April 19, 2012, 11:08:47 PM
No, she's striking an amazingly cool pose.

or posing for Cripple Girls.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: iK on April 20, 2012, 01:24:20 AM
or posing for Cripple Girls.

Excuse me as I go get some more milk to replace the pints of it that just came out of my nose.

That was quite gold.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: alucard13mmfmj on April 20, 2012, 04:24:34 AM
awesome =) more music to play in my car with my windows rolled down.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: ExPorygon on April 20, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
I personally am looking forward the most to Hartmann and UFO Romance, as those are two of my favourites... and especially UFO Romance never got much love (at least I don't remember ANY remix that tried to do anything with the laughter in the original - if anyone knows one, that would be great)
Also, the new originals will definitely be something nice. Final track sounds like it could be interesting~
Does this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1FmQQjKX0) count? It's more of a cover than a remix, but that laugh is AWESOME. It's all the better if you know where it comes from.

I didn't know that Hartmann's Youkai Girl was so disliked. I love every single Extra/Phantasm boss theme there is, Koishi's is no exception. Also very much looking forward to the new cd.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 20, 2012, 08:41:56 PM
I didn't know that Hartmann's Youkai Girl was so disliked. I love every single Extra/Phantasm boss theme there is, Koishi's is no exception. Also very much looking forward to the new cd.

ZUN seems to have a problem balancing trumpets against other instruments. The levels on them are just way too high. Even in some of my favorite pieces of his, like Voyage 1969, he does this - the piano and drums will be just fine, and the piano in that song especially is really beautiful, but then the trumpets come in at like four times the levels they should be.

Mind you, this isn't a hard and fast rule. In songs of his that are all about the trumpets, like Wind God Girl, the horns are just fine. But he does have this tendency to mix his songs with "NEEDS LOUDER TRUMPETS!" in mind.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: ZetaBladeX13 on April 22, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
Renko looks especially ZUNy on the cover art, I have to admit.

The cover art does show a certain level of regression, imho


...not that it's going to stop me from buying it :3
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Cadmas on April 22, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
Not really been enjoying this weird 2D angle style myself. A lot of the portraits in TD made the characters look like they had 2x4s up their butts. 
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Reddyne on April 23, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
ZUN seems to have a problem balancing trumpets against other instruments. The levels on them are just way too high. Even in some of my favorite pieces of his, like Voyage 1969, he does this - the piano and drums will be just fine, and the piano in that song especially is really beautiful, but then the trumpets come in at like four times the levels they should be.

Mind you, this isn't a hard and fast rule. In songs of his that are all about the trumpets, like Wind God Girl, the horns are just fine. But he does have this tendency to mix his songs with "NEEDS LOUDER TRUMPETS!" in mind.
Some people just love dem trumpets, though.
Not really been enjoying this weird 2D angle style myself. A lot of the portraits in TD made the characters look like they had 2x4s up their butts.
This actually suits Yoshika well in regards to her physical condition.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tiamat on April 24, 2012, 04:59:17 PM
Random speculation on the storyline (if there is one)

The story will be about Maribel's trip to the Lunar Capital (the Gensokyo in Outer Space. Also, the moon could be considered a trojan... but not a trojan asteroid. The first trojan asteroid that orbits earth was discovered in 2011, so I don't know if the name of the CD is just a shout out to that, or if it will be what the overall story is about).  It pretty much matches Yukari's story to Ran in CiLR. The first parts/sections will be about her getting to the moon, trying to go back when she realizes she can't enter the Lunar Capital, and getting caught by the Lunarians. However, it turns out that Yukari didn't tell Ran the complete story.  After surrendering to the Lunarians, for whatever reason, they decide to show a little generosity and let Maribel see the Lunar Capital after all (alternatively, she gets to see it because she's held "captive" in the same way that Reimu was.  IE, not very).  The final section(s) are thus about her exploring the Lunar Capital, which has been referred to as the equivalent of the Moon's Gensokyo in other official works (IE, the Gensokyo in Outer Space) for a happy ending.


...of course, I don't really fully expect that to actually turn out to be the case (I'd give it a... 20% probability?). Although it'd be nifty if it was.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Cosmosis on April 24, 2012, 05:06:39 PM
Random Touhou music opinion time. Everyone's favorite time of the day.

As much as I respect ZUN for his musical talent, I find his music collections rather boring. ZUN's arrangements stick very close to the source material, keeping the entire rhythm and most of the same instruments. The changes ZUN makes to his own melodies are more cosmetic than creative, and I usually find myself preferring the original.

On the other hand, ZUN could take a few pointers from his partner U2 Akiyama. Over half the time, I find myself preferring U2's arrangements over ZUN's original. A small part of U2's success lies in his more up-to-date synthesizer, which allows him to draw out more fulfilling sounds. The biggest part lies in U2's willingness to add new dimensions to his music, by tapping into many different genres and using a wide variety of instruments. U2 always manages to retain the best parts of the source material - his arrangements still resemble the originals. You could say U2 gives ZUN proper respect, while still pushing the creative frontier as best he can. You can probably tell U2 is my favorite Touhou arranger.

I do enjoy the original pieces ZUN composes for his music collections. ZUN is very skilled at making new rhythms, ones I love to repeat over and over in my head. I only wish he would make new ones instead of rehashing older ones with slight changes, and get U2 to do more of his stuff.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: K.B. on April 25, 2012, 04:27:18 AM
Agreed.  I find ZUN's arrangements of his game music to be missable at best.  Phantom Factory is the notable exception.

However, just like with his game music, he writes his album tracks with the given setting in mind.  Aside from DiPP, it was a treat to read the stories that went along with the albums at the pace of the music.  Not only did the music and writing superbly compliment each other, but the stories made listening to the arrangements an interesting experience instead of a tedious one.

Speaking of album stories, Kafka Fuura recently translated the story behind Wayfarers, a Touhou arrangement album by schwarzwald.  It's done similarly to ZUN's music albums: an (unofficial) adventure with Mary and Renko, and 2/3 of the arrangements are of tracks from the music albums.  While the writing doesn't quite duplicate ZUN's, I thought it was still fun to read - especially while listening to the music, which is outstanding.  Read it here. (http://kafkafuura.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/wayfarers/)
[won't post an album download link on motk, but - if you want a sampling - a few of the tracks are on youtube and will show up with a circle + album search]
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Zil on April 25, 2012, 08:14:28 AM
ZUN's new art is quite strange. Some characters come out very pretty looking, like Seiga and Kyouku. And then you get some weird ones...

I'm surprised to see this hatred for Hartmann's Youkai Girl. Personally I think it's the only interesting sounding one on there, aside from the new songs.

I might be interested in Desire Drive if I wasn't absolutely sure it will be worse than the original. Same for Cosmic Mind.

UFO Romance reminds me of La Blue Girl's theme.

Some people just love dem trumpets, though.
Guilty. They're the best part of his newer songs in my opinion.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 25, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
Some people just love dem trumpets, though.

I love the trumpets, too - I'm talking about the levels he sets them at. They're often entirely too loud. Like, I love batter fried chicken, but I wouldn't love someone forcing giant chunks of chicken meat down my throat.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: BT on April 25, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
I couldn't understand Hartmann haters until recently when I actually thought about it a bit.

As a song, it kind of sucks. As Koishi's "theme" - even more. Arguably. As background music for Koishi's fight, though, it is incredible.

Looking forward to all these arranges. The new song titles are interesting, to say the least. Makes you wonder how the songs themselves will sound.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 25, 2012, 11:55:21 PM
I couldn't understand Hartmann haters until recently when I actually thought about it a bit.

As a song, it kind of sucks. As Koishi's "theme" - even more. Arguably. As background music for Koishi's fight, though, it is incredible.

I felt the same way about Emotional Skyscraper. When I first heard it, I laughed my ass off. I was like, "WTF is this? It sounds like the OP to a bad 90s mecha anime."

Then I heard while fighting Byakuren, and it gave me goosebumps.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: AJS on April 26, 2012, 01:11:22 AM
I felt the same way about Emotional Skyscraper. When I first heard it, I laughed my ass off. I was like, "WTF is this? It sounds like the OP to a bad 90s mecha anime."

Then I heard while fighting Byakuren, and it gave me goosebumps.
Same here.  For many post-IN themes, I didn't actually start liking them until I heard them in-game first, with Koishi's theme being no exception.  Still, though, I'm interested in seeing how the arranges turn out.  Though most of them in past music collections were essentially the same thing as the original, there were quite a few arranges that I really enjoyed due to the slightly more significant changes made to them.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Cosmosis on April 26, 2012, 03:23:17 AM
Random music opinion time strikes again.

As a song, it kind of sucks. As Koishi's "theme" - even more. Arguably. As background music for Koishi's fight, though, it is incredible.

I feel the same about one of ZUN's most popular songs: "Love-colored Master Spark." I first heard the song while fighting Marisa, and the song sounded like two rainbows having sex with each other. Alright, maybe my description is too far from the truth. Indeed, when playing in-game, Marisa's theme sounds like a frenzied rainbow orgy. Then, I heard the song on headphones... most of the excitement disappeared. But then again, I was trying to dodge an overflowing sea of homing stars before, so I was paying little attention to the music. I can only ascertain the "true" worth of a song when I'm lying in bed with the lights turned off, ready to judge how good the rhythms and melodies sound.

I love the trumpets, too - I'm talking about the levels he sets them at. They're often entirely too loud. Like, I love batter fried chicken, but I wouldn't love someone forcing giant chunks of chicken meat down my throat.

I prefer to think of ZUN's trumpets as crack. No matter how much you sniff, you always crave more. The problems arise when your body begins to adapt to the drug, causing each subsequent intake to be less pleasurable. In other words, the first time I heard "Necro Fantasy ~ A Maiden's Illusionary Funeral", I felt like I was listening to the voice of God. I had trouble restraining myself from replaying Ran's theme at least 10 times, or even just the one section with the epic brass blasts. Now, the song sounds like trumpets and pianos to me. Good ones, of course, but the initial ecstasy and excitement degraded into a more mature, nostalgic feeling.

On the other hand, songs like "Wind God Girl" lose their appeal faster because they rely only on the trumpets for energy. Indeed, ZUN's trumpets may be crack, but his pianos are LSD. Intoxicating oneself with multiple stimulants at the same time produces a more powerful and longer lasting effect, I suppose. From personal experience, my favorite songs from ZUN contain some mixture of instrumentation. I've made a list of my favorites at the bottom of the post for those who are interested.

Mixing up genres would increase my already high appreciation for ZUN's music. He tends to do either bombastic epic triumphant victorious dramatic for the games, or makes them a little more ambient in his music collections. As stated before, I think ZUN's old synthesizer has limitations (like 8-bit music) which almost leaves him locked into producing the same type of song. For example, "Lunar Clock ~ Luna Dial" and "Faith is for the Transient People" almost sound like rock rhythms to me, but the lack of electric guitar leaves me second-guessing. Then U2 Akiyama and about 100 other arrangers came in with an electric guitar, and now everyone remembers these themes as hardcore rock.

Same here.  For many post-IN themes, I didn't actually start liking them until I heard them in-game first, with Koishi's theme being no exception.

I am glad someone else also believes ZUN changed up his musical style, although I would argue he changed the most after Mountain of Faith's soundtrack. Before and during then, all of his songs had instant and direct appeal to my ears. Like rainbows having sex, listening to God's voice, etc. But when I heard the tracks for Subterranean Animism, I was wondering who ZUN hired as his replacement composer. Turns out the songs were just far less catchy, although they may have gained longer shelf lives (they sound better for longer) in exchange. The lone exception is Hartmann's Youkai Girl - although Koishi's theme may not compare to ZUN's previous epics, the song is still fappable enjoyable to a lesser degree.

As promised, here are my absolute favorites: "Gensokyo Millenium ~ History of the Moon", "Border of Life" (unarranged version), "The Gensokyo the Gods Loved", "Flight of the Bamboo Cutter ~ Lunatic Princess", "Akutagawa Ryuunosuke's 'Kappa' ~ Candid Friend", "Higan Retour ~ Riverside View"
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 26, 2012, 07:11:56 PM
I prefer to think of ZUN's trumpets as crack. No matter how much you sniff, you always crave more.

Probably because crack is meant to be smoked.

The problems arise when your body begins to adapt to the drug, causing each subsequent intake to be less pleasurable. In other words, the first time I heard "Necro Fantasy ~ A Maiden's Illusionary Funeral", I felt like I was listening to the voice of God. I had trouble restraining myself from replaying Ran's theme at least 10 times, or even just the one section with the epic brass blasts. Now, the song sounds like trumpets and pianos to me. Good ones, of course, but the initial ecstasy and excitement degraded into a more mature, nostalgic feeling.

Yeah, for me it was the opposite. His mixing was so off that I was initially repelled by these songs, and later grew to enjoy them, or at least tolerate them.

On the other hand, songs like "Wind God Girl" lose their appeal faster because they rely only on the trumpets for energy. Indeed, ZUN's trumpets may be crack, but his pianos are LSD.

Again, total opposite for me. The composition of Wind God Girl is so good that I keep hearing new things in it all the time.

But yeah. I can't say if there was a change in composition style after MoF, as that was the game I started out with, when it was a new release. But for my personal tastes, the ratio of songs in the game to songs I love hasn't changed, so whatever he's doing, as far as I'm concerned, he can keep right on doing it.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Mеа on April 28, 2012, 08:08:35 AM
Random music opinion time strikes again.

I feel the same about one of ZUN's most popular songs: "Love-colored Master Spark." I first heard the song while fighting Marisa, and the song sounded like two rainbows having sex with each other.
win
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Cosmosis on April 29, 2012, 01:15:35 AM
Probably because crack is meant to be smoked.

Well, now I know. Or maybe I was typing so carelessly, I wasn't paying attention to my word choice. I suppose every time I (or anyone else) make a mistake, you'll be there to play grammarian.

Yeah, for me it was the opposite. His mixing was so off that I was initially repelled by these songs, and later grew to enjoy them, or at least tolerate them.

I'm curious to know what motivated you to continue listening to a song after having a negative first impression. Perhaps by tolerate, you meant you had to listen to the songs while playing the game. I had the same problem with ZUN's music after Subterranean Animism, as multiple listens changed my opinion from bad to decent. However, I still love the songs I enjoyed the most at first listen.

Again, total opposite for me. The composition of Wind God Girl is so good that I keep hearing new things in it all the time.

I can't say I share your experience. Wind God Girl, from what I hear, is a very direct song which repeats the same catchy rhythm. I enjoyed the song very much on my first few listens, but over the course of months, other songs proved to be better for longer.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on April 29, 2012, 01:44:45 AM
Well, now I know. Or maybe I was typing so carelessly, I wasn't paying attention to my word choice. I suppose every time I (or anyone else) make a mistake, you'll be there to play grammarian.

Uh, don't get snippity about it. Your grammar was fine; I was just making a joke about crack being something you smoke. I mean, if you're going to make drug references in how you describe music, helps to know how they work, right? I didn't even get into asking how, exactly, his pianos are like LSD - a description so vague it doesn't really say anything.

I'm curious to know what motivated you to continue listening to a song after having a negative first impression. Perhaps by tolerate, you meant you had to listen to the songs while playing the game. I had the same problem with ZUN's music after Subterranean Animism, as multiple listens changed my opinion from bad to decent. However, I still love the songs I enjoyed the most at first listen.

Yeah, pretty much answered your own question there - repeated listening through gameplay.

I can't say I share your experience. Wind God Girl, from what I hear, is a very direct song which repeats the same catchy rhythm. I enjoyed the song very much on my first few listens, but over the course of months, other songs proved to be better for longer.

ZUN's standard template is verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-verse-chorus, and that's pretty much the case with all his songs. That's not a criticism, mind you - he's writing music for gameplay stages. I think our different responses to that song can more be chalked up to matters of personal taste in melodies.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Paper Conan on April 30, 2012, 02:32:17 AM
Can I just say that crack metaphor is literally the most accurate description of my experience with Touhou music?

So this wonderful music album is being released tomorrow?
Here's to hoping for some amazing new remixes and original songs!
 :3
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: SuperParadox on April 30, 2012, 11:10:33 AM
Its been uploaded! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ZVwJXnqPk&feature=channel&list=UL)   :V
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: D8ms on April 30, 2012, 01:49:18 PM
It's out now...

I must say, I enjoy this rendition of Hartmann's Youkai Girl a lot more. The reduced speed really cuts down on the hectic and chaotic mood.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Gpop on April 30, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
It's out now...

I must say, I enjoy this rendition of Hartmann's Youkai Girl a lot more. The reduced speed really cuts down on the hectic and chaotic mood.
It sounds more...I'd say floaty? Or spacey or something, but definitely a lot slower and I guess bubbly imo. So it actually sounds like a good song rather than a chaotic one to fit the mood while fighting Koishi. :V
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: BT on April 30, 2012, 02:11:38 PM
So far it seems ZUN stuck with using amped-up beats like he did with half of TD's themes. I'm not complaining.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: D8ms on April 30, 2012, 02:24:16 PM
It sounds more...I'd say floaty? Or spacey or something, but definitely a lot slower and I guess bubbly imo. So it actually sounds like a good song rather than a chaotic one to fit the mood while fighting Koishi. :V

I'm thinking of replacing koishi's theme with this one, then see how the fight feels

Also, let's play spot the difference with Cosmic Mind
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: BT on April 30, 2012, 02:32:23 PM
Ehh... to be honest, I prefer the old Hartmann's Youkai Girl. Adding that main beat during the 7/8 parts kind of took the weirdness too far, and then the other parts weren't exactly improved in any way whatsoever.

UFO Romance was actually slightly improved but... not enough. Guess the original was so bad it couldn't be salvaged. At least they kept the laugh.

That's it for now. I think I still like the first track the most.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: BT on April 30, 2012, 02:39:49 PM
Also, let's play spot the difference with Cosmic Mind
I

The

What

I am seriously disappointed. Pretty much every track so far was a more classy / jazzier version of the original (or... without an original), and for the one track I'd have appreciated such an arrange the most... nada.

It's still way too upbeat for the emotion or charm or whatever to sink in.

It's still bad.

;-;
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on April 30, 2012, 05:02:52 PM
I dunno what you guys are talking about. All I've heard is the Hartmann arrange, and I'm lovin' it. Somehow sounds...unhinged.

But man, I'm looking forward to the story translations so much. I can't wait to see where our duo goes next. :D

Also, the arranges from the games have almost always been slight changes.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: BT on April 30, 2012, 05:07:15 PM
To be fair, some sections of Hartmann are improved. I needed a few more repeats to establish that.

The first track is definitely my favorite, all things considered. The more I listen to it, the more solidified that fact gets.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on April 30, 2012, 07:32:55 PM
Okay, having just finished listening to the CD, I have to say Ame-no-torifune Shrine is my favorite of the new tracks. I wasn't sure at first, but these are all grade-A tracks as usual.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Paper Conan on April 30, 2012, 08:08:45 PM
Trojan Asteroid Jungle has such a fun rhythm; I love it.
I can only imagine how creative the remixes will get. :3

Oh, and Youkai Girl is now ear-pleasing and far more lax. Unfortunately, it lacks the thrills, speed, and loudness the original version had.

Is this an overall great album y/y?
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Formless God on May 01, 2012, 04:08:10 AM
I enjoyed Track 8 (piano rush sex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XKnsoteZyM#t=3m18)) and Track 10. Track 1's loop is ridiculous but it has some nice tunes going on in it. The other two are, uh, okay. I'm pretty sure I've heard them somewhere before.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on May 04, 2012, 03:19:42 PM
Whoa whoa whoa.

Suddenly, every single copy of TGA's music has been deleted from Youtube. Apparently Shanghai Alice pulled a copyright claim...?! I thought this was just some asshole ruining everyone's fun, but it's gone from Nicovideo too! What the heck, did ZUN really do this...?
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on May 04, 2012, 03:41:37 PM
Whoa whoa whoa.

Suddenly, every single copy of TGA's music has been deleted from Youtube. Apparently Shanghai Alice pulled a copyright claim...?! I thought this was just some asshole ruining everyone's fun, but it's gone from Nicovideo too! What the heck, did ZUN really do this...?

Unless he specifically says so, this is all speculation. Let's not jump to conclusions unless and until an official statement is made.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on May 04, 2012, 03:58:01 PM
I found this on ZUN's twitter:

Quote
当然、CDを動画にしてアップするのは二次創作ではないので許可出来ないよん

Can anyone translate this? I think it may be related.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tengukami on May 04, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
The Google translation certainly makes it seem related!
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Zengeku on May 04, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Something like 'Of course, allowing the uploading of the CD is an impossible proposition because it isn't derivative work'... maybe. It is no doubt related but I'm no good at translating.  :V

Kinda surprising to see this thing happening. That wasn't my impression of ZUN at all. I guess people will have to buy his CD now.  :D
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on May 04, 2012, 04:12:25 PM
Indeed, I'm surprised to see him actually crack down on music uploads, especially now, since the other CDs have been on Youtube for ages. Well, if he's that emphatic on us buying the CD, then maybe I will have to oblige! It's certainly good enough.

Though, is it even possible to buy it online yet?
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tiamat on May 04, 2012, 04:59:57 PM
Well, the CD was uploaded all over the place on video sites almost as soon as it came out.  Is that normal for the music industry?  (I'm a noob regarding such things)

Most of Symposium of Post Mysticism was uploaded to various places on the net in fragmented scans before the book literally officially went up for sale.

Assuming ZUN cares at all about money, I can't help but imagine all of that has to be just a tad bit annoying.  Maybe he cares about money more than ever before now that he's married, too.  A man's gotta support his family, after all.


Any news on the story of Trojan Green Asteroid?  Er... if there is one.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: nintendonut888 on May 04, 2012, 09:55:22 PM
In other news, scans of the storybook have been uploaded to the Wiki, so we can hopefully expect translations of the story in the near future.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: K.B. on May 04, 2012, 10:04:27 PM
Yep! (http://kafkafuura.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/trojan-green-asteroid/)

Kafka's on the ball.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Lepetit89 on May 04, 2012, 10:24:05 PM
Well, the CD was uploaded all over the place on video sites almost as soon as it came out.  Is that normal for the music industry?  (I'm a noob regarding such things)

Most of Symposium of Post Mysticism was uploaded to various places on the net in fragmented scans before the book literally officially went up for sale.

Assuming ZUN cares at all about money, I can't help but imagine all of that has to be just a tad bit annoying.  Maybe he cares about money more than ever before now that he's married, too.  A man's gotta support his family, after all.


Any news on the story of Trojan Green Asteroid?  Er... if there is one.

Regardless of whether his stance towards money has changed, this change of mind is appreciated. Uploading scans and music files so close to a release has nothing to do with wanting to spread word of something, that's just disrepectful. Basically, good going, ZUN, a step I can, for once, appreciate.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tiamat on May 05, 2012, 12:54:40 AM
Yea. Much as I like knowing what the heck is going on in Symposium so fast, I'm pretty sure most other authors don't have to put up with their books being slapped online within a day BEFORE the book pfficially went on sale.  Well, sure, a lot of movies and some videogames during the games of emulation have to put up with that these days but it's still gotta suck.

Yep! (http://kafkafuura.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/trojan-green-asteroid/)

Kafka's on the ball.

Sweet!
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: N-Forza on May 05, 2012, 01:13:23 AM
Can someone put the transcription on the wiki? Don't worry about the translation, I was going to handle it myself.

But from what ZUN was saying on Twitter, it's entirely likely it was him who took down the uploaded videos on Youtube AND Nico. Just because it seems "western" or whatever, I'm pretty sure that Youtube is still more widely used in Japan. If he doesn't want his music uploaded to those sites right after it was released, that's his choice. Maybe after it shows up in stores and more people have a chance to buy it, he might relent, since from what I've seen, the previous CDs are still there.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: Tiamat on May 05, 2012, 04:36:29 AM
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Trojan_Green_Asteroid/Story

Transcriptions' already there.  And er... someone else already put the translation, albeit he took it from the other site that was linked to here. I guess it could always use some proofreading.

Assuming the translation is accurate, it seems like Maribel's been adventuring with Renko in other worlds for some time now. D'aaaw.  ...I still can't stop laughing at the ending, though.

Given how romantic ZUN makes the moon and space out to be in Touhou, I can't help but feel that his own personal story about why he doesn't actually care about space anymore is really really sad :(
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: K.B. on May 05, 2012, 07:50:53 PM
By the way, I doubt that Kafka was trying to step on anyone's toes by doing his own translation.  Just has a passion for it, as he's translated all the other album's stories (each of which already had a wiki translation at the time since he wasn't doing this way back in 2006).  And I certainly wasn't trying to undermine anything by linking his page.

I've read both sets of translations for each album up to now, and I've found that reading both and comparing the two gave me a better understanding than either one did by itself.  No offense intended by that, of course; I mean that certain translation decisions ended up being more helpful to me, and sometimes those were on one translation and sometimes they were on the other.  I don't know Japanese so I obviously can't evaluate the translation quality (though the end result of both sets is very readable).

I would enjoy reading another translation in addition to Kafka's, if one were made, and I don't think the existence of his should preclude anyone who was going to make one from making his own.  I think it wouldn't be a duplication of effort, and I certainly think there wouldn't be anything wrong or offensive about it.

I might be reading into things a bit much but I thought it couldn't hurt to clarify.
Title: Re: ZUN's music collection vol.6 announced
Post by: N-Forza on May 06, 2012, 12:40:47 AM
Well, it was just that when I was going through the previous Sealing Club CD translations he did, there were a number of errors I spotted, although they were better than the translations on the wiki (until I fixed them). I imagine he's improved with time, but I can't say for sure until I get the chance to look at it.

I'm not trying to claim ownership or anything either, I'm just saying not to take anything as the gospel truth until a few people have had a chance to go over it.